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Jarrod Washburn to Detroit

Hms_surprise_tiny by Graham on Comment 574 comments

Per Salk. Details as we get them.

Thank goodness.

Update: Luke French and Maurico Robles. Awesome awesome awesome awesome. French is a 23 year old average-looking ML lefty under club control for six more years and is basically what would happen if you went back in time and grabbed Washburn from 11 years ago. Robles is a 20 year old left handed A-baller and helps replace the three guys we gave up for Wilson and Snell. Amazing.

Updated update: Robles strikes out a lot of people. His swinging strikeout rate is 23%. 23%! Walks are too high but not a big deal. This looks like an absolute steal. Velo goes from 88-93, good curve, working on a changeup. If he gets the change working he's a starter in the bigs.

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Exellent news although I have no idea what the Tigers could give back given

their weak system. But it doesn’t really matter. Just glad we’re likely going to avoid letting Wash take up a ton of future payroll.

However, I will say thank you to Washburn for a nice job this year.

by Rudy4three on Jul 31, 2009 8:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

And a class A pitcher.

Didnt we just beat French?

Blow it up! BLOW IT SKY HIGH!

by tkballer22 on Jul 31, 2009 8:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It took 11 minutes

Whoever had the over wins.

by Patton on Jul 31, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dave Cameron

Time to come over to the dark side, and leave the hamster Wordpress behind

by lemonverbena on Jul 31, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, why on earth would they give us Luke French?

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Fuck the Angels!

by JMKaustin on Jul 31, 2009 8:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome!

Bye, Jarrod!

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Jul 31, 2009 8:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He's inconsistent

Some days high 80s, some low-mid 90s.

by Graham on Jul 31, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeez...

….so he could be throwing change ups by accident…

by rtang on Jul 31, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES YES YES YES YES

Z you are a golden god

Go Nova

by dbroncos31 on Jul 31, 2009 8:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't write off Robles as a reliever yet

Where he is now, he has a real chance to be a really good starter.

by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 31, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saito started in his last game too, I think.

So it’s possible they could both be converted into SP prospects.

by Kaorikaze on Jul 31, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With good reason, imho.

Saito’s another one who looked too impressive to me to be automatically relegated to the ‘pen just because he’s short. (That’s all it is with either of these guys, I think — scouting prejudice.)

by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 31, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dear Jack:

Get you fucking coat, you’ve pulled!

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 31, 2009 8:49 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Faith = Restored

Not that I really doubted Zduriencik, but still

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Jul 31, 2009 8:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

From Kevin Goldstein
kingclip: New #Mariners P Mauricio Robles is a small lefty with a big arm, 90-94 mph with +command, breaking ball flashes plus, prob. bullpen in end.

Link

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 31, 2009 8:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and
New Mariners LHP Lucas French, big, thick LHP, 88-92 mph from hi 3/4 slot, decent slider, true plus change, good athlete and fielder

.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Jul 31, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmmm

French’s avg FB has been 87.2…

by PLU Tim on Jul 31, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wooooo! Wooooo!

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

I love you Jack!

by rlintott on Jul 31, 2009 8:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Wash

Seriously. I know the guy is very, very well compensated to perform, so it’s not like doing well was some altruistic endeavor. But putting it together this year was a huge benefit to the team on the field, and apparently now to the team’s future by making himself a valuable trade piece.

Good luck in Motown dude. You done good.

by lemonverbena on Jul 31, 2009 8:50 AM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Well spoken

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Jul 31, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Decatur on Jul 31, 2009 8:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dave, please go on ESPN radio today, and whip Brock and Salk into shape.

This is such a great move, but those two guys are going to be bitching bigtime

by Rudy4three on Jul 31, 2009 8:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He's a rookie with a mid 3 ERA.

How can they complain?

Fuck the Angels!

by JMKaustin on Jul 31, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, the link Graham provided to Salk's blog makes him sound like he thinks it's a good trade
I was a vocal proponent for the M’s keeping Washburn, especially if the return was a position player. Given that they got back two young lefthanders (one who is in the majors), how can we be too upset here?

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Jul 31, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you hear Salk giving Brock shit for Brock giving his evaluation of the Snell/Wilson trade as a number grade and not, as Salk preferred, as a letter grade.

Classic stuff.

"I have two normal feet and I can't see the slightest God-damned reason why anybody should stare at them."

by ImaginaryRomances on Jul 31, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who else is going?

Branyan? Could they find someone to take a chance on Bedard? I Hope to god they find a trade for Bedard.

by GoCougs on Jul 31, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're surprisingly thrilled.

Reading Bless You Boys, Detroit fans are happy about this too.

by katal on Jul 31, 2009 9:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

But doesn’t his summary of Dave’s opinion imply (wrongly) that the trade was even?

by cyberwulf on Jul 31, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For a moment I thought you were asking for my opinion on Dave Cameron's article.

That was a good laugh! Then I read it correctly.
Beats me, from their perspective it’s a good pitcher who’s going to keep you in games, for the stretch. From my perspective we got some arms for awhile. I’d be a bit pissed off if I was a Detroit fan.

by Kermit. on Jul 31, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also,
It’s experience we got. With a good ERA
by VegasTigers on Jul 31, 2009 9:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

+1
Welcome to Detroit>>Where the weak are killed and eaten.
by Detroitchik on Jul 31, 2009 9:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

by Decatur on Jul 31, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their excitement

Is the kind you have when you are in a pennant race. Good trade for us. I like it because we can stay in the hunt in 2009 with it. But I’d also trade our excitement for theirs, misplaced as it may be.

Of course, it we were in the Central…

by Mr.Phelps on Jul 31, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is he not a Type A?

Especially based on his ERA this year, and his IP over the last few seasons? I thought that being a Type A was pretty easy, I remember last year some Type A’s who were pretty much garbage players till making the list

Of course maybe they changed the rules or I’m mistaken…

Formerly Mariners124M... Username was sorta bland, so I'm changin it up

by BQueezy on Jul 31, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They take more than this year into consideration.

He’s fourth from the bottom in terms of Type B guys.

by acblue on Jul 31, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IP, ERA, K's, Wins, Win% for SP

all over the last 2 years. I think it’s top 20% of players in each grouping (SP, RP, C, 1B/OF, SS/2B/3B), usually around 16 or 17 make Type A. Washburn is a Type B right now (the next 16-17 or so), but he could definitely slip out of Type B to nothing over the rest of the season fairly easily.

Not to mention you have to offer him arbitration in order to get any comp picks, which he would probably accept, and would make in the ballpark of 13-15M.

by Terminator X on Jul 31, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps now we can stop threatening to turn on Z simply because we don't like the leaks that we hear from other organization

This is the way the organization has decided to run and it has lead to a nearly spotless track record.

by Robert on Jul 31, 2009 9:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the heads up.

Heading there now before that site crashes again, too.

by katal on Jul 31, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

I LOVE YOU NEW FRONT OFFICE! DON’T EVER LEAVE!

by MFAN on Jul 31, 2009 9:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Snell's still pretty young

and Wilson provides great defense and helps to bridge the gap until we get someone to replace him long-term.

by Coach Owens on Jul 31, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another thing is (likely) losing Griffey/Sweeney

GMZ + Wak seem to like having high-character veterans around, so assuming Griffey and Sweeney are gone, Wilson steps into that role – as well as being a good glove.

And Snell’s young and potentially under team control for several years at reasonable salaries if we elect to pick up his options.

by saltydog75 on Jul 31, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Wilkin Ramirez, but thats okay.

Oh YES!

Goodbye you Big Blond Bearded Bum!

by Mariner Melee on Jul 31, 2009 9:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Woud anyone doubt that Z has a young shortstop on his that can be had for a significantly lower price than Brignac would've cost?

"I have two normal feet and I can't see the slightest God-damned reason why anybody should stare at them."

by ImaginaryRomances on Jul 31, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Me

because I don’t see anyone like that out there.

by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 31, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is the report on it from ....

the Freep

“Washburn gives the Tigers something they have lacked: a veteran left-handed starter. Such a pitcher is especially valuable at Comerica Park, with its big expanse of left-center that makes power-hitting more difficult for all the right-handed hitters who tend to play against left-handed pitching.”

by msb on Jul 31, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FTFY

“Such a pitcher is especially valuable at Comerica Park Safeco Field, with its big expanse of left-center that makes power-hitting more difficult for all the right-handed hitters who tend to play against left-handed pitching."

by cyberwulf on Jul 31, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's funny that the national media seems to hate this deal.

They seem to have a hard time with the fact that Jarrod Washburn is…well…Jarrod Washburn

"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."

-Jim Fregosi

by Schmidtxc on Jul 31, 2009 9:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm so happy to come on here and see the comment

" “awesome awesome awesome awesome”

by ARock on Jul 31, 2009 9:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Also per MLBTR and ESPN

Gammons said that SIX different teams have called GMZ in the last day to inquire about Felix. Supposedly GMZ said that there was nothing worth talking about…

Blow it up! BLOW IT SKY HIGH!

by tkballer22 on Jul 31, 2009 9:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I want nothing to do with Jimmy Rollins

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Jul 31, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stick to player

Griffey fills our quota

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jul 31, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Quotas are in place for a reason, going a little over is fine but triple, quadruple? That’s when you start hurting your team

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jul 31, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As great as Felix is, I think you have to listen to the offers.

If we got a Bedard+ like package for Felix, you’d have to think about it.

There are still GMs out there who are willing to sell their soul for a #1 SP.

by PDXTai on Jul 31, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, even that wouldn't be enough

Felix el Rey is at least as talented, younger, putting it all together, and — here’s the big one — doesn’t have a serious injury history.

by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 31, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

So presumably we’d be able to get a far more valuable return. Imagine getting our version of Andrus and Feliz. If you get an offer with a top-5 prospect, a top 15 prospect, a top 50 prospect and a handful of A-ball live arms/toolsy fielders, you have to seriously consider that trade, especially if the top two prospects are at positions of need (SP and SS, say)

by Terminator X on Jul 31, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am going to guess that when Jeff posted the french flag last week during the Washburn start

He was trying to imply to us that we were going to surrender him to the Tigers. Good job Sullivan, Thank you for continuing to provide us with inside information.

by Robert on Jul 31, 2009 9:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Also...

I wonder who will be this trading deadline’s Woody Woodward….

I need a closer..no wait two closers….here take my best prospects please…….

I was secretly hoping that would be the case with Washburn that we would wait until the last hour and fleece the shit out of some team….I guess we were able to do that early in the day instead!

Blow it up! BLOW IT SKY HIGH!

by tkballer22 on Jul 31, 2009 9:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else a "fan" of the Seattle Mariners facebook page?

The comments on the trade are absolute GOLD. Just hilarious.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/posted.php?id=33054718978&share_id=69478234944&comments=1#s69478234944

I never really liked the old tagline.

CougCenter

by Dancing Football on Jul 31, 2009 9:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like this one:
Joseph Perkins
hell…eff the bag of balls i woulda taken an empty beer bottle for washburn..

by Decatur on Jul 31, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been SO tempted to straighten those people out

But it would just be a terrible, terrible mess.

Those people are insane.

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

It’s just not worth it. You could be at it for hours and it would not help.

I never really liked the old tagline.

CougCenter

by Dancing Football on Jul 31, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Favorite

“What a waste….Does this mean the Mariners have officially thrown in the towel for 2009 and I should quit watching and get ready for Seahawks season?!?!?! I think so….”

God I hate people like that!

by GoCougs on Jul 31, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No no...

“Lookin like Jack Z’s first ‘Bavasi’, but who knows?”

HAHAHAHHAHAA

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what i hate most about these people is...

When we win like 8 games in a row and are right back in it…they’ll hop back on the bandwagon like they never left…..

Blow it up! BLOW IT SKY HIGH!

by tkballer22 on Jul 31, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love TRUE baseball fans.

Those who don’t need stats. They know a good ballplayer when they see him.

I never really liked the old tagline.

CougCenter

by Dancing Football on Jul 31, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to get in on the humor...

Unfortunately both Fangraphs and USSM have apparently exploded.

by Jer Bear on Jul 31, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am just glancing through those comments again..

It’s like a train wreck!

“our GM is a faggot and should be taken out back and shot”

Uhhh…..?

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And they have to use their real names, too!

“damnit wat a dumb ass move go get some sluggers take from the phillies they seem to be buyers lets go get ur fuckin heads in the right direction stupid gm wow lets go get lik a ryan howard or somthing”

by msb on Jul 31, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

This is like the guy on a basketball message board who argued that UCLA just needed one player to put them over the top

or as he put it, “a Kobe Bryant type, someone who can shoot well, drive well, pass, play elite defense, get rebounds and make everyone around him better.”

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not the point

does that player exist? Is that player available? Can a deal be made?

Fans of every baseball team want an Albert Pujols or a Roy Halladay. What most people that call in to talk radio don’t get is that you can’t expect to trade for Pujols-level talent with Washburn-level trade pieces.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jul 31, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That reminds me of the guy that starts off with one paper clip and winds up with a house.

That’s kind of how I view GMZ and the M’s. His red paper clip are the players he has to trade with when he arrived, almost as a separate entity from his drafts and minor league additions.

by Kermit. on Jul 31, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am having a very dense day today

That’s what I get for trying to work during my work day.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jul 31, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

After reading LL for this whole season

I find that I can’t read any other message boards that I used to because of people who write like this. I used to, but it just hurts my brains now. Thanks LL, thank you so very much.

by d0nkey on Jul 31, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought in our more compassionate modern society

We no longer have to take them out back, they can be shot in the front yard just like everyone else

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jul 31, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Classic.

“Instead of everyone being upset about playoffs, think about this really quick. WE LOST 104 GAMES LAST YEAR! No one expected us to even be in the hunt. "

by Terminator X on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh don't I wish.

Seriously, though, that’s a pretty reasonable opinion.

by Decatur on Jul 31, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely a fairly reasonable opinion.

There was actually more reasonable opinion after it as well, I just liked the 104 games part.

by Terminator X on Jul 31, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I want to be the first to put this out there.

Odds of Washburn returning to Seattle for 2010?
0%

10%

25%

50%

75%

90%

by Mariner Melee on Jul 31, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Zero.

It isn’t happening.

by katal on Jul 31, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Central

I’m guessing Chicago, St Louis and Milwaukee are coming here.

by Robert on Jul 31, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to add "firstbase" to the list of positions I've seen Albert Pujols play at Safeco Field

So far I’ve been able to cross off RF, LF, and SS in person, and 3B and 2B on tv

by Poochie on Jul 31, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In this scenario LAAAA gets PIT/HOU/CIN, right?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 31, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

25%..he did credit Adair for ‘fixing’ him

Blow it up! BLOW IT SKY HIGH!

by tkballer22 on Jul 31, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

10%

He’ll get a better deal from a dumber FO.

The chance is not zero because he and Boras know he benefits from Safeco and the defense.

by TrashiDawa on Jul 31, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully 0%. We just got his projected production going forward in the form of French.

Why pay Washburn 8 million dollars next year, when that money can be used elsewhere to improve the club

by Rudy4three on Jul 31, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh my!

August 18th, 19th, and 20th!!!

by Mariner Melee on Jul 31, 2009 9:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So who's next to go?

I wouldn’t mind moving Branyan as long as he re-signs next year. He could do us one more favor by bringing in a few good prospects. I wish we had known San Fran was giving away Alderson, maybe we could’ve made a deal.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 31, 2009 9:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I deem this trade good.

I don't know how to stop.

by esoteric on Jul 31, 2009 9:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Z on Felix
General manager Jack Zduriencik told ESPN’s Peter Gammons that there was heavy interest in Mariners ace Felix Hernandez.

“I had calls,” Zduriencik told Gammons, “and I listen to everyone. But it would have taken too much to even discuss a realistic trade.”

by SebastianPruiti on Jul 31, 2009 9:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cliff Lee?

He wouldn’t be as interesting considering his contract has to be up soon, doesn’t it? Drabek/Happ would be better than Lee.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 31, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has a 2010 option

and after that, we have the $$$ to extend him. He’s good enough to be plenty interesting.

But yes, I’d insist on Drabek, too. :)

by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 31, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do not like this no I do not

This is like when you go into a bar with your significant other and people immediately start trying pick them up. I know they aren’t going anywhere but still this is unnerving. I’m the jealous sort.

by Robert on Jul 31, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

: ( : ( : ( : ( : ( : ( : ( : (
Jeff Sullivan: James – the current M’s front office hasn’t yet approached Felix to talk extension, but I imagine they’ll exchange numbers this offseason. I’m not real optimistic, though. If Bavasi hadn’t have been so stingy over a few million dollars a few years ago this whole thing could’ve been avoided.

by Robert on Jul 31, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But if you are secure in yourself

and you and your significant other haven’t had a bunch of drug-fueled threeways, then you are happy that she gets her attractiveness reaffirmed. And she sees that you are confident and that you trust her. Then, she comes home with you, feeling hot and a little buzzed, and fucks your brains out. Everybody wins!

by lemonverbena on Jul 31, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you here, Robert.

a failure pile in a sadness bowl.

by royalcurve on Jul 31, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, and money.

After they are all signed to 7-year contracts.

by Wilder. on Jul 31, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe only 4 years for Halladay.

But they have to pick up for a personal trainer for Pablo.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 31, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not enough.

a failure pile in a sadness bowl.

by royalcurve on Jul 31, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I would have to fly up to Seattle and burn Safeco to the ground if they traded Felix

Call me an irrational crazy person if you want.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix

by InSpokane on Jul 31, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think "The Cheese" will work so well for a soft tossing lefty...

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 31, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Freedom Fries.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix

by InSpokane on Jul 31, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

The Maginot Line

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 31, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was going to be my contribution

but then I realized it didn’t make any sense.

Kudos for typing it anyway.

by Omerta on Jul 31, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that I think about it

It’s a shame that Beltre’s not French, because that nickname would be perfect for him. Just like the real Maginot Line, nothing’s getting past Beltre. It’s just a shame that the enemy had no problem going around it (i.e. going around Beltre by hitting the ball towards Yuniesky).

by katal on Jul 31, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And anagrammer gives us:

Heckler Fun
Cheer Flunk
Rec He Flunk
Rec Elf Hunk
Luck Fern Eh
Le Ref Chunk

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jul 31, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elf Hunk, Rec

Almost homo enough for LL.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 31, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this true about Beltre?

He said this to Jack Wilson?

Adrian had a few tips for new arrival Jack Wilson: "This is a bat,‘’ Beltre tells Wilson. "Use it to hit your weight and the Seattle fans will love you compared to what came previously.’’

Beltre is the best ever.

by PLU Tim on Jul 31, 2009 9:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This isn't a real quote

It’s a joke photo caption that Baker had in one of his recent posts.

by okdan on Jul 31, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was looking for the source...

dang that would have been hysterical.

by PLU Tim on Jul 31, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap!!

a failure pile in a sadness bowl.

by royalcurve on Jul 31, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Balls.

a failure pile in a sadness bowl.

by royalcurve on Jul 31, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets see

Doyle Alexander was 36 when the Braves traded him to the Tigers, Washburn is 34. Alexander pitched 206 innings that year, Washburn is on pace for 211. Washburn is on pace for 125 strikeouts, Alexander had 126 strikeouts the next year.

Yep it looks like Lucas French or Maurcio Robles have about a 90% chance to turn into a player about the caliber of John Smoltz

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jul 31, 2009 9:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

French comes in for Washburn, Snell comes in for Olsen (hopefully) It's a good day, the rotation doesn't suffer at all.

And just by trading Jarrod Washburn, we know Jack Z could give a shit about ERA and probably reads Dave Cameron and LL.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 31, 2009 9:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's awesome.

It’s just good to know he’s got that edge over the Detroit GM who obviously likes shiny things only.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 31, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as we don't start calling frenchy 'baby wash'

I am good with this trade. Thanks for a great year Jarrod. So long… and thanks for all the fish.

by Whoopetydoo on Jul 31, 2009 10:00 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

From the BTF chat:

Jeff Sullivan: In honor of Jonah I’m actually wearing my Expos shirt right now.
Dave Cameron: In honor of Tony Benazard, I am not wearing a shirt.

I love happy Dave.

by Teej on Jul 31, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

.

  [Comment From shakma]
Jeff or Dave: What will happen when Carlos Silva and Ian Snell meet for the first time

Dave Cameron: Silva will probably try to kiss him. For whatever reason, that’s his role on the team right now. Dugout kiss guy.

by Poochie on Jul 31, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Over/under before Washburn throws G. Laird under a bus?

I’d say 5 starts before the bloom is off the rose.

by PDXTai on Jul 31, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Latest Baker blog says Robles was the key

Source calls him top-5 prospect in the system

Also has a link to a Detroit news commentary about how losing Robles could hurt.

Interesting.

by seattlesundevil on Jul 31, 2009 10:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tigers are as thin of a system that you can get

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jul 31, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Geoff Baker likes it.

Maybe many of the fans will breathe sigh of relief.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 31, 2009 10:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait Softy loves this deal

Does not compute on any level ever. I have literally not ever been more confused.

by Robert on Jul 31, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Wait, really?

That…does not seem right.

by BrianL on Jul 31, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So now that O. Cabrera's a Twin,

is there anyone the A’s could possibly sell? Maybe Jack Cust?

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by yuniform on Jul 31, 2009 10:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Anderson?

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix

by InSpokane on Jul 31, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Wuertz

Adam Kennedy, Bobby Crosby (if there is interest), Raja Davis,

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jul 31, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot about Crosby.

He’d make sense, given his contract (up at the end of the year, millions).
Would anyone really want Rajai Davis?

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by yuniform on Jul 31, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if they want to dump their bullpen, maybe someone would take Russ Springer.

Their only big-money contracts are:
Chavez, Crosby, Giambi, Duchsherer (little interest, I’d guess)
Ellis, (won’t trade)
Kennedy, Springer (could still leave)

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by yuniform on Jul 31, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love that thanks to Jack Z

I no longer live in fear on my birthday

by seattlebruin on Jul 31, 2009 10:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

YAY

a failure pile in a sadness bowl.

by royalcurve on Jul 31, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You never know. The day's not over. Z might dump Lopez for a real Second Baseman.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix

by InSpokane on Jul 31, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Branyan, Morrow, Batista, Lowe.

I have to leave to run errands in a few minutes. The above are names I would not mind returning to find that we have traded.

by katal on Jul 31, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just kidding around with seattlebruin

It would make me sad to see Branyan go. I know we’re not going to the playoffs, but he sure makes games funner to watch.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix

by InSpokane on Jul 31, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I too love that man and would hate to see him go.

Does he have much of a trade value? It seems like it would be more valuable on the 2010 roster, rather than trading him

by d0nkey on Jul 31, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'd have to resign him first.

Honestly though, I don’t expect him to have much of a trade value, being that he’s sat out practically all week.

by katal on Jul 31, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope French is cosiderably better then Olson

That’s a lot of balls in the air

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jul 31, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jack, you totally redeemed yourself!

I am so sorry I ever doubted you.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Brock thinks now they have no chance to compete over the next 60 days.

And somehow they would have with one of the top-5 pitchers in baseball?

by msb on Jul 31, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Compete for what?

I swear to god a football player can boil everything down to a Hail Mary pass for the win.

by Kermit. on Jul 31, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he is the only one who thinks

a Felix/Wash 1-2 punch is sooo great. He acts like there is no way Washburn regresses back to his career norm

by Rudy4three on Jul 31, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only one?

Hardly.

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Jul 31, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well maybe mainstream Seattle Mariner fans.

I just laugh when he says “Going into next year putting Washburn behind Felix, you know what you have”

by Rudy4three on Jul 31, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, that's it right? we're done?

or can they still announce something? Cause if we’re holding on to Branyan there is every reason to think he’s staying here another year or two.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 31, 2009 10:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh I thought it was 1pm eastern

sweet thanks

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 31, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, sometimes trades somehow get announced after the deadline.

I’d say by game time today, everything will probably be final.
Until the August 31 deadline.

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by yuniform on Jul 31, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bedard can still move via waiver trade, no?

He’s owed some money and is a bit of a risk healthwise so they could try to sneak him through that way if he can some back for a bit. Not that I think he’d bring back much, but whatever comes back need to be better than a sandwich pick and we’re cool.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 31, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then we either work out a deal with them

or pull him back. No biggie.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 31, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, every team does this, right?

Like that time the Padres accidentally got that high-priced reliever?

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by yuniform on Jul 31, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So can we say, so far, after the Washburn trade,

that thus far the moves being made in total is a plus?

by Zwakamatsu on Jul 31, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I feel better about the Snell/Wilson trade now in conjuction with this.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to say the Wash trade is a fleecing,

but holy crap did we get a lot for 2 months of Washburn.

by Zwakamatsu on Jul 31, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

its a fleecing

think of it in terms of marginal wins. Washburn gives Detroit maybe 1.5 at best the rest of the way. French, even if he’s bad, will be worth six at least over his time here (I’m taking kind of a worst case scenario 1 WAR/season here) plus there’s Robles. Hell, if we put French in the pen and he pitches well we’ve still won.

The only way this could be justified is marginal wins cost more in a playoff race, but even so the Tigers have improved only by a fraction of a win by adding Wash.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 31, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how 'safe' a prospect this Robles guy is

but the fact that we have a solid ML back end starter for the next several years makes the loss of Lorin Probanic etc pretty easy to bear. Remember, we still have Ramirez and Pineda. The way I see it is the major league club has gotten a good deal better, a little of our low minors SP depth has been sacrificed for AAA/AAAA starting depth, and the only valuable player we’ve surrendered is Clement.

Jack has been kicking ass and taking names.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 31, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see why these two trades get grouped together.

There’s no clear link between them, except maybe Robles=the three minors arms we dealt.
It’s hard to find any fault in the Washburn trade, but easy to question the Snell deal.

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by yuniform on Jul 31, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if Goose was so much connecting the trades,

just saying that what we got back for Wash definitely counter-balances the fact that we overpaid a bit of Snell/Wilson. In total it ends up being a positive.

by Zwakamatsu on Jul 31, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo.

Altogether this has been a successful trade deadline for the team(assuming we don’t do anything else in the next 90 minutes).

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Jul 31, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ted Kieth is retarded.

Seriously.

I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.

by andrewgolfsalot on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That throwing the white towel line bugs the crap out of me.

Z would have to leverage the minor league system to get the players necessary to gain serious ground. If the kind of players necessary are even available, and even then the M’s future would still be in the hands of the Angels, they still have to lose games for us to gain ground. He starts chasing playoffs this year he’s throwing away wins in the future

by Kermit. on Jul 31, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So why wasn't Robles on any prospect lists or anything?

Can’t find him, and he seems like quite a talent. Was he just too young or was something keeping him off BA’s/John Sickels lists?

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 31, 2009 12:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, Buster Olney says the Tigers made a good trade...

and calls Wash the “best pitcher in the AL over the last two months besides Mark Buerhle.”
Second thoughts anyone?

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by yuniform on Jul 31, 2009 12:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

If my first thought is, “I love this trade,” my second thought is, "This is why I don’t go to Buster Olney for analysis.

by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 31, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Summary for those that skipped to the end:

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jul 31, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The more I think about this trade the better it sounds.

I am so so amazed at the 180 degree turn this organization has pulled. It feels so foreign, and so good, to have faith in the front office. I am just in awe. I’m going to Griffey bobblehead night next Friday and I think I’m just gonna make a sign that says “Thank you Jack Zduriencik.”

by Zwakamatsu on Jul 31, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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