Elias rankings as of today
by seattlecougar on Jul 30, 2009 5:06 PM PDT
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PrintFound this nifty little report on the interwebs, and thought I'd share it. It's by Eddie Bajek of Detroit Tigers Thoughts.
Assuming his math is right - always the caveat...
- Felix and Aardsma are Type As
- Beltre, Bedard, Washburn, Ichiro(??), and RRS (as a RP) are Type Bs
- Wilson, Johjima are close to the Type B cusp
- Griffey is ranked higher than Gutierrez and Branyan, though a ways down from Type B status
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I'd love to know how they calculate these
because they’re idiotic.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
The calculations are correct
Elias’s ranking system is idiotic.
The calculations can be correct and stupid at the same time.
PA, AVG, OBP, HR, RBI for OF? No wonder Ichiro’s a B.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Calculations
Per a Keith Law blog
(Insiders only – I got the summary from another site that linked to it)
All players (not just free agents) are put into one of five groups as seen below. Position is designated as the position at which the player appeared the most over the last two seasons.
1: 1B/OF/DH
2: 2B/3B/SS
3: C
4: SP
5: RP
The stat categories used for each group:
1B/OF/DH: PA, AVG, OBP, HR, RBI
2B/3B/SS: PA, AVG, OBP, HR, RBI, Fielding percentage, Total chances at designated position
C: PA, AVG, OBP, HR, RBI, Fielding percentage, Assists
SP: Total games (total starts + 0.5 * total relief appearances), IP, Wins, W-L Percentage, ERA, Strikeouts
RP: Total games (total relief appearances + 2 * total starts), IP (weighted slightly less than other categories), Wins + Saves, IP/H ratio, K/BB, ERA
Haven’t found anything on exactly how they weight or calculate.
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
Well shoot
Didn’t do that quite right. Meant to hit preview, fuck me.
“Haven’t found anything on exactly how they weight or calculate” was my note, didn’t mean to put it in the box. Did another <.blockquote> instead of a <./blockquote>.
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Jul 31, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
The Detroit blogger had a post on it once.
It’s something like this:
They rank all the qualifying players (not sure what it takes to qualify, but it is pretty easy) in order for each stat category, and assign points where the worst gets 1 point (or 0, not sure), and the best gets n points (where n=number of qualifying players) (or n-1 if last gets 0 instead of 1). All of the points are added up, and in a move that seems to me entirely aesthetic, scaled to a 0-100 scale, such that someone would need to lead every category to get a 100. If a player spends time on the DL, then there is some method of pro-rating some of the stats that I don’t really know much about so I won’t go into it. Then the top 20% are Type A, and the next 20% are Type B.
It’s probably not entirely accurate, so don’t hold me to every detail, but that’s the strong gist of it.
by Terminator X on Jul 31, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Mostly seems in line
Though I question the part about the DL and how much it really affects overall score. Looking at Total Games and IP as two stats used, and considering their direct relation to playing time, I’m not so sure there’s much of a pro-ration, if any, for DL.
I’m thinking Bedard is probably Type A if you factor out his DL stints. Fucking JOBA is Type A.
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Jul 31, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
It doesn't really make sense to me either,
but that’s what I’ve read. Given how incredibly archaically moronic the rest of the process is I wouldn’t doubt it (counting wins AND wins/chances?? really?)
by Terminator X on Jul 31, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
How on earth can they justify raniking 2B/3B/SS on total chances?
Wouldn’t that have absolutely nothing to do with the players themselves and everything to do with the tendencies of the pitchers who they are playing behind?
by I Lick Squirrels on Jul 31, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
As of today, however, Beltre is now a Type-A..
By .12 points over Placido Polanco. He is the final A..
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Beltre’s Type B, but close to A
Wilson’s dropped out, but close to being a B. (The switch to the AL probably won’t help.)
And Bedard’s a B. The M’s still shouldn’t offer him arbitration.
RRS is Type B as a reliever, while Batista is nowhere close to being a Type B.
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