Washburn Rumors.
I'll be keeping a thread full of Washburn rumors until the deadline which is tomorrow from what I've read so far GMZ is trying to fleece people. ERA! SHINY!! To the Jump!
People are interested in Wash
Washburn has many suitors: Was told about 10 teams have called Seattle about Jarrod Washburn now. And the Twins don’t do well when they have to beat out a lot of teams for players.
However The Brew Crew and Rangers are no longer pursuing Wash...
The Yanks seem to be our best bet for a trade and SI agrees.
The Yankees haven't heard back from the Mariners since Seattle requested either Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes in an initial conversation about lefty starter Jarrod Washburn, but remain interested at some price.
Mariners people are believed to be scouring the list of desirable Yankees players back in Seattle. Top outfield prospect Austin Jackson and catching prospects Jesus Montero and Austin Romine would probably also be off-limits in such a deal, but the Yankees have some other prospects that may interest Seattle.
Yes to Phil Hughes! And I hate Joba Chamberlain but if GMZ gets him I'll be meh...
If he's not traded by the deadline I'll be kinda bummed. An August deal is possible but yeah...
Quick Update!:
Yanks not alone in pursuit of Washburn — 8:42 p.m.
The Yankees are not the only team pursuing Mariners left-hander Jarrod Washburn.
The Tigers also are interested in Washburn, a major-league source says, and the Brewers could jump back in.
Yet, the Mariners still are not sending clear signs that they are willing to move Washburn, who ranks third in the American League with a 2.64 ERA, just ahead of Blue Jays ace Roy Halladay.
"The Mariners don't want to send the wrong signs if they trade him," one source says. "It could look like they're giving up."
The M's, six games out in the wild-card race and 7 1/2 games out in the AL West, acquired shortstop Jack Wilson and right-hander Ian Snell from the Pirates on Wednesday.
They likely would seek a significant return for Washburn, even though he is a free agent at the end of the season.
Talks between the Yankees and Mariners were in the "early stages" Thursday, one source said — a curious assessment, considering that the deadline for non-waiver trades is 4 p.m. ET on Friday.
Washburn, who turns 35 on Aug. 13, has a partial no-trade clause giving him the right to block deals to 10 teams.
The Yankees were among the clubs he could veto last year, the Tigers and Brewers were not. The list is believed to have changed slightly this year, but the exact details are not known.
Ugh...
10:33pm: Heyman says the Yankees and Mariners are now "talking Washburn." The Yankees won't part with Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Austin Jackson, Austin Romine or Jesus Montero, but with those exceptions, Heyman says the M's have their pick of Yankees prospects.
Now THAT'S more like it! I'd still prefer Hughes though over most of the Yankees top 10... Be blinded by the ERA! ERA! SHINY BETTER THAN HALLADAY!
So take your pick of their top 20...
1) Jesus Montero, C, Grade B+: I believe in the bat. Where he fits with the glove I don’t know.
2) Austin Jackson, OF, Grade B: Should be a solid player but not a star. Will that be enough in New York?
3) Dellin Betances, RHP, Grade B-: Very high ceiling, has flashed dominance, can he stay healthy?
4) Austin Romine, C, Grade B-: More likely to stick behind the plate than Montero, though not as good a hitter.
5) Zach McAllister, RHP, Grade B-: A favorite of mine heading into 2008, looks like a strong inning-eater type.
6) Mark Melancon, RHP, Grade B-: Almost ready for major league action, should be good in pen and has closer potential.
7) Jairo Heredia, RHP, Grade B-: Looks like a major sleeper to me, and this is an aggressive ranking.
8) Andrew Brackman, RHP, Grade C+: Yankees propaganda is thick around this guy. Great arm, healthy now, but I don’t buy into the command yet. Want to see evidence.
9) Phil Coke, LHP, Grade C+: I like what he did a lot last year. Should be a very useful pitcher.
10) Alfredo Aceves, RHP, Grade C+: Has reached his ceiling, but like Coke he should be useful
11) Wilkins de la Rosa, LHP, Grade C+: Intriguing power lefty with a fresh arm.
12) Humberto Sanchez, RHP, Grade C+: Another power arm for the pen, command problems still an issue.
13) Jon Albaladejo, RHP, Grade C+: Another solid pen arm if healthy.
14) David Robertson, RHP, Grade C+: Yet another pen arm. ERA should have been closer to 4.00 based on the components. Hasn’t pitched 50 innings yet so he qualifies.
15) Brad Suttle, 3B, Grade C+: Will need to show enough power for third base.
16) Arodys Vizcaino, RHP, Grade C+: Very young, could rank in the top 10 next year if he develops properly.
17) Christian Garcia, RHP, Grade C+: Another promising power arm if healthy.
18) George Kontos, RHP, Grade C+: Will need more consistent command.
19) Kanekoa Texeira, RHP, Grade C+: Power sinker/slider guy acquired in Swisher deal, yet another pen option.
20) Eduardo Sosa, OF, Grade C+: Very high ceiling guy, but need some North American data. Could rank as high as 8 depending on criteria and how much you trust DSL performance.
21) Eric Hacker, RHP, Grade C+: Surprise addition to 40-man roster, nice track record but injury-prone, fifth starter type when healthy.
Thanks for Minor League Ball Feat. John Sickels for the list.
11:05pm: Executives from three teams that have spoken with the Mariners tell ESPN.com's Buster Olney that they get the sense the Mariners won't move Washburn.
FUCK BUSTER OLNEY! ERA SHINY ERA!
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Can't hurt to ask, huh?
The Yankees haven’t heard back from the Mariners since Seattle requested either Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes in an initial conversation about lefty starter Jarrod Washburn, but remain interested at some price.
by Poochie on Jul 30, 2009 12:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would annoyed by that trade because fuck Joba
by Robert on Jul 30, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to hate him being on our team.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Goose on Jul 30, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes me think of the scene in Life of Brian when Brian is taught how to haggle
by Fogel on Jul 30, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Tell you what, I’ll throw in this as well. (Gives Jack a Wang)
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 30, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we someone how got Phil Hughes for Jarrod Washburn, how fucking crazy would New York fans be after the Yankees were not willing to part with Hughes in exchange for Johan Santana?
by Wilder. on Jul 30, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would never happen unless part of a bigger trade.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 30, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A prospect's value isn't static
Look at Jeff Clement.
They probably made the right call at the time re: Santana, but in 7 starts this year he’s STILL got a tRA near 6.00. He’s been lights out in the ‘pen, which is handy, but I think there are a lot of doubters that he’s a starter long-term. And that hurts his value.
by marc w on Jul 30, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys aren't serious about thinking this would ever happen, right?
That would be like us trading Felix for Jack Wilson
by Rudy4three on Jul 30, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Yanks seem like the type to overpay
the only thing that bugs me is that I wouldn’t mind eating Jarrod’s contract, but that wouldn’t give us as much leverage in negotiations with NY as it would with say, the Twins.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 30, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of trades, GS52 got traded to the Dodgers.
I hope he can win a WS.
by Coach Owens on Jul 30, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate the Dodgers
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
p.s. fuck you angels
p.p.s. why does geoff baker hate felix
by InSpokane on Jul 30, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Fuck the Dodgers.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Goose on Jul 30, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the other shoe from the Bedard trade FINALLY drops.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Jul 30, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YEEEEEESSSS!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOO!!!!!!
Now I have legitimate, tangible reason to make the Dodgers my second-favorite NL team. They’d already slightly overtaken the Cardinals, but now, I’m a full-on Dodgers fan!
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by PositivePaul on Jul 30, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playoff baseball for George!
Nice! I bet Sid’s ecstatic.
by marc w on Jul 30, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the dark side
Matt Kemp is a dreamboat.
by Garces on Jul 30, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know...
I’ve been following them passively for a few years now. It’s time for me to dive in full bore…
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 30, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks absolutely dreamy in glasses
I wish I had taken a picture during the “In his own words” episode last night.
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by bluemax on Jul 30, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOD
SI’s Jon Heyman … notes that the Angels would have interest in bringing Washburn back, but the Mariners might balk at the same-division issue.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Jul 30, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We did just trade with Billy Beane for Hanahan...
So this might well be an example of Jon Heyman assuming that all people are as useless as he is.
by spikefriedman on Jul 30, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wy the fuck would we balk at giving him to you guys for a couple of months
if we can get back a player that will be on the team for years? Stupid.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 30, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That depends on if you think Chuck and Howie think more like commenters here or more like those at Baker's blog or on sports radio.
by discovolante on Jul 30, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't make trades.
Any any influence they have, if any, is very likely more global, such as “try to win now.”
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Jul 30, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers would obviously have never worked because they'd have to overpay. Negotiations would be "Elvis Andrus, Justin Smoak or Neftali Felix" and then they would end.
As for the Yankees, I’d be happy to have Joba in the bullpen only. But I don’t see why they’d trade for a starter like Washburn at the price of Hughes when it would just be better to put Hughes in the rotation. I don’t really like Austin Jackson and don’t see a place for him in the outfield. Jesus Montero would be good but ain’t gonna happen.
I like that Jack is asking for one of those two pitchers, but it ain’t gonna happen. Let’s just get one good prospect from any team and I’ll be satisfied.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 30, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Per MLBTR:
ESPN’s Buster Olney rejects the idea that the Ms asked for Chamberlain or Hughes.
He really wants to be right, doesn’t he?
by Coach Owens on Jul 30, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be surprised if they asked for one of them.
This makes me think that Olney is trying to prove that the Mariners want to keep Wash.
by Coach Owens on Jul 30, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they were trying to keep wash they would ask for Chamberlain ot Hughes
because they would be laughed out of the room
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 30, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like that Ferrari 612. I'll trade you this hooded sweatshirt.
by abender20 on Jul 30, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is your hooded sweatshirt currently leading all but five Ferraris in unparalleled awesomeness?
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 30, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be very surprised if they didn't ask for either one
Those types of pitchers that could slide into the starting rotation now are exactly what we’re looking for. They may have been quickly rebuffed and that was the end of it, but I have trouble believing they didn’t come up.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 30, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think in order to show you aren't a numb skull of a GM, you wouldn't make an outrageous
request like that.
by Rudy4three on Jul 30, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GM's make ridiculous requests all the time. It's called a starting offer.
Of course you shoot high on the first offer. And honestly, it’s not like Hughes and Chamberlain are Felix or anything.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 30, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
'What do you want for Freddy Sanchez?'
‘Tim Alderson’
by Graham on Jul 30, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm wondering if GMZ
realizes what’s gonna happen at that USSM/LL meet if he doesn’t trade Washburn.
by TheTank123 on Jul 30, 2009 2:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Localized ball sucking but not as much deep throating.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Jul 30, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn them for knowing infinitely more about the situation than we do.
Let’s give them hell!
by Robert on Jul 30, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like Halladay is staying put..
So does this news make Washburn the best available starting pitcher on the market?
by seattlesundevil on Jul 30, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for the stupid question but..
How do you change the text of a hyper link like that?
by Pessimistic Optimist on Jul 30, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The easy way to do it is just type and then select the text and click on the hyperlink button
SBN does the rest.
by seattlesundevil on Jul 30, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Type the text, highlight it, then post the link in the pop-up box
And, naturally, click the new window box
Try not to take me too seriously
by calim on Jul 30, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also...
I’ve heard that the Yankees have basically taken every decent player that Seattle could want off of the board. Essentially we may be able to replace the 3 A-ball pitchers we traded if we work out a deal with NY.
by PLU Tim on Jul 30, 2009 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
First of all,:
Essentially we may be able to replace the 3 A-ball pitchers we traded if we work out a deal with NY
This would be so fantastic that it would blow my mind. Second of all:
I’ve heard that the Yankees have basically taken every decent player that Seattle could want off of the board
This should probably have some source.
...and now I'm here
by Librocrat on Jul 30, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal, or whoever updates the Foxsports blog,
links Washburn and Detroit. It seems like complete speculation based on the Tigers young pitching staff and Kenny Rogers success, but that’s a new one to me.
by Jed MC on Jul 30, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's interesting..
It sounds like pure speculation to me too, but who knows. If there is one thing we learned in the past 48 hours it is that GMZ has a pretty good system to avoid information leaks.
I’m curious about the Astros now. They were looking for a starting pitcher before today and have since cut Russ Ortiz..
by seattlesundevil on Jul 30, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do they have pretty things to trade us?
Try not to take me too seriously
by calim on Jul 30, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know absolutely zero about Houston's minor league system, but I bet they have a shiny piece or two...
by seattlesundevil on Jul 30, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bud Norris?
I think actually that Houston has a consensus bottom-three system.
by tait644 on Jul 30, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty bad.
I’d say it was the worst, but I recall reading some good reviews of their 2009 draft.
by Teej on Jul 30, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the owner, Drayton?
has said he won’t make any major trades. He’d like a starting pitcher and used a phrase like “if it fell in his lap” or something like that.
by JetSam on Jul 30, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade deadline is tomorrow at 1Pm PST.
You have 22 hours Jack. Get it done.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Goose on Jul 30, 2009 3:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The following takes place between 12:00 PM and 1:00 PM.
*Imitates 24 clock sound
by Coach Owens on Jul 30, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And his name is Jack
I wonder if his phone makes the iconic Sprint/24 beep ring when he gets a call.
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Jul 30, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be amazing.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 30, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joel Sherman of the NY Post
But when I noted to Zduriencik that his club is minus-43 this year in run differential and no club has ever made the playoffs with a mark that bad (the worst was minus-42 by the 2005 Padres), Zduriencik said, “we are on the outside looking in and it would take extraordinary things to happen.” In fact, the longer we talked, the more it felt to me like Zduriencik was willing to move Jarrod Washburn before tomorrow’s 4 p.m. deadline.
The Yanks are among the teams that have checked in on Washburn. However, as of this afternoon the two sides still had not discussed names. In addition, Hal Steinbrenner has ruled that the team cannot take on significant money the rest of the season. That is a huge reason why the Yanks are not players on Roy Halladay. Washburn has about $3.7 million owed to him the remainder of the season, which could be a hurdle for the Yanks.
“I am not giving this guy away,” Zduriencik said. “He is a valuable piece to us. … He shouldn’t come cheap if he is moved.”
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Goose on Jul 30, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well great
So we pay his salary, which we’re going to have to do in the other scenario anyway, and then the asking price goes up.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 30, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've always been going to pay his salary in exchange for a better package
by Graham on Jul 30, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are getting Snell and Wilson for free
why not pay for Washburn?
by tait644 on Jul 30, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he is trying to sell high.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Jul 30, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find it kind of crazy that Washburn is getting such little interest.
Are GMs just getting smarter? The guy is sitting 3rd in the league in ERA.
You would think even as teams are getting more saber friendly, some GM in a pennant race would jump on this guy.
by Rudy4three on Jul 30, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it's more of an issue of teams not wanting to give up players under club control and being wary of adding salary.
Even with the economic outlook improving there’s still a lot of uncertainty, and I think teams are beginning to value cost-controlled players a great deal more than they used to.
by acblue on Jul 30, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe it's Jack Z and his notorious tight lipped policy on trades meaning not much is getting leaked.
Notice how nothing seems to come from the Ms side except Jack saying he’s fine with Wash staying?
by Matthew on Jul 30, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would be our best case scenario return in a trade with Detroit?
Fear the NPE
by thewyrm on Jul 30, 2009 6:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd enjoy getting Dontrelle Willis.
We could stock Triple A with the anxious, the depressed, the Robert Manuel.
by yuniform on Jul 30, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fuck?
Melvin said he talked to clubs about "10 or 12" starting pitchers this week without coming close to a trade. He checked in one last time with Seattle general manager Jack Zduriencik about lefty Jarrod Washburn but talks did not progress.
"It looks like he’s going to keep Washburn," said Melvin. "He’s going to try to win as many games as he can. Arizona appears to be that way, too, (with pitchers Doug Davis and Jon Garland)."
SELL DAMMIT SELL!
You got slurved!
The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.
by Slurvey on Jul 30, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Very disappointing if he doesn't move Washburn.
This fucking Washburn has some type of spell over our GM position, where our guys can’t just let him go.
Hopefully Melvin doesn’t know what he’s talking about
by Rudy4three on Jul 30, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Z would posture with him?
I don’t. Based on thet bits and pieces that have come out, it sounds as if Arizona is asking for a similar return for Doug Davis. He has a shiny ERA as well. Of course, he was once a Brewer and was traded away. Should he net top prospect(s)?
The sellers are asking really high prices and mid-day tomorrow there will be trades as they get what they can.
by JetSam on Jul 30, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I root for retards.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Goose on Jul 30, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ship his ass out already
There’s no way this performance continues. Knowing our luck Washburn is going to have his career worst game the first start after the trade deadline.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 30, 2009 7:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Another update per Heyman
The Yankees and Mariners are now “talking Washburn.” The Yankees won’t part with Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Austin Jackson, Austin Romine or Jesus Montero, but with those exceptions, Heyman says the M’s have their pick of Yankees prospects
by ManifestDestiny on Jul 30, 2009 8:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I've updated it.
You got slurved!
The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.
by Slurvey on Jul 30, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So who is 6-10 in their prospect system that we want. Yes please, whoever it its.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jul 30, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be Zach McAllister
Basically, think Jake Westbrook ceiling
by ManifestDestiny on Jul 30, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Ian Kennedy?
He was absolutely lights out (2.74 tRA) in AAA in April before having surgery to fix an aneurysm in May – he hopes to pitch again in the minors this year or in winter ball, although it looks like there’s still no clear time frame (but I could be wrong on that).
I also thought Andrew Brackman is intriuging, but he’s had a terrible year in class A ball but signed a major league contract out of college and already makes a million dollars a year (his contract on Cot’s is insane) and his options are only through 2013. He has two plus pitches and has ace potential, but that’s a bit too expensive a project.
by Decatur on Jul 30, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would Kennedy have to be a PTBNL?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 30, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah. Forgot about that.
You can trade guys on 15-day but not 60-day, right?
by Decatur on Jul 30, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So would Dave Cameron
who saw him pitch down in Carolina — his scouting report was scathing. “Two plus pitches”? Not that game, anyway — nowhere close, and no command, either.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 31, 2009 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I'd be thrilled with Betances.
Baseball America said this winter that he has front-of-the-rotation potential if he stays healthy, and his FIP’s been only 4.30 in High-A despite his seeming struggles (stats here). He has about a K an inning but about 6 BB/9, but he’s probably ready for AA in 2010 and is still only 21 this year.
by Decatur on Jul 30, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that for real? 6 walks per 9???
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 30, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's really not a huge deal for a 6 foot 8, 21 year old pitching in high A ball, or particularly unusual for high-ceiling prospects (although he'll have to improve to be effective at higher levels, obviously)
by Decatur on Jul 31, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure he's higher than any ceiling at that height jeez...
You got slurved!
The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.
by Slurvey on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps. Guys have their horrible days, but this has been consistent as a starter.
Fine. Relief may be his gig. But he has to go somewhere other than Seattle at the moment.
Illegible
by kevin_ess on Jul 31, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait - reply fail. Sorry.
Illegible
by kevin_ess on Jul 31, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HORRIBLE reply fail -
meant for a different site even. Jesus.
Illegible
by kevin_ess on Jul 31, 2009 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem with Mccallister and Betances are that both are hurt.
Not sure the extent of their injuries, but if healthy they would be no brainers for Washburn
by Rudy4three on Jul 31, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
McAllister is just on the 7-day DL
No major health worries there.
by ManifestDestiny on Jul 31, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the deadline at 1 or 1:30 PST?
by ManifestDestiny on Jul 30, 2009 9:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Things can happen after the deadline though.
by acblue on Jul 30, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't the RJ trade announced like 10-15 min after the deadline passed?
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jul 30, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Announced, yes
The deal is, the paperwork has to be submitted before the deadline; but it can take the commissioner’s office several hours to go through all the paperwork and approve everything.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 31, 2009 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Olney's trying like crazy
to pour water on the fire:
Executives from three teams that have spoken with the Mariners tell ESPN.com’s Buster Olney that they get the sense the Mariners won’t move Washburn. The Mariners made a request earlier today, without asking for Hughes or Chamberlain, but the two sides haven’t spoken since.
Come on, Jack – posture…posture…
by tait644 on Jul 30, 2009 9:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cashman and Jack are both notoriously tight-lipped
I won’t give up hope til 5 pm tomorrow EDT
by ManifestDestiny on Jul 30, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like 7
If several deals go down at the wire, it could take quite a while to get them all processed, approved and announced.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 31, 2009 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FUCK BUSTER OLNEY!
You got slurved!
The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.
by Slurvey on Jul 30, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was in Yellowstone Park today and drove past Mount Washburn.
This immediatly pissed me off and I ranted for 5 minutes about how awful it’d be if we didn’t trade him.
PLEASE Z!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!
by SethGrandpa on Jul 30, 2009 9:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stop by Grass Creek and stake claim for the Mainers.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Jul 30, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hiked that a month ago
I took a picture on top with the Mt. Washburn sign
Really exciting…
by greymstreet on Jul 30, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow McAllister ain't shiny and dominating but he sure looks solid.
Running a 1.16 BB/9IP 1.32 and 2.64 his last 3 years.
Him in a deal for Washburn would make my day.
You got slurved!
The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.
by Slurvey on Jul 30, 2009 9:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dammit, I have to go to a picnic tomorrow around 1.
I really hope I do not miss the Washburn trade.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Jul 30, 2009 9:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just hope there's something to miss
Try not to take me too seriously
by calim on Jul 30, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When he isn't traded and you feel like shit
Just remember that we’ll all feel like shit too!
Carlos Silvelite
by OceanBird on Jul 30, 2009 10:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way
Since this seems to be the thread to be in right now, I’ll be at BTF tomorrow morning and afternoon on a trade deadline panel (9-3 pacific time). I’ll still be around here, too, but my focus will be divided.
by Jeff on Jul 30, 2009 10:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, Jason Stark reports that the Dodgers are interested in adding a reliever.
by Decatur on Jul 30, 2009 10:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Righty, I think
I would think about giving up Lowe and White, but I am generally unimpressed on reliever returns (unless they’re closers) and both of those pitchers could hypothetically be of value.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 30, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given what the Dodgers gave up for Sherrill
I have to disagree with you.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 31, 2009 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops. Jason Stark of ESPN says:
The Dodgers are looking at relievers, preferably a righthander, and he mentioned David Weathers, Arthur Rhodes, Matt Capps, Jason Fresor, and Mark Lowe – I’d love to get something for Mark Lowe while we can sell high (although once he puts his changeup and curveball and fastball together and working he’ll be amazing, but there’s no guarentee that will happen and his tRA is awful this year).
by Decatur on Jul 30, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a FB/SL/CU combo.
And this is selling low actually since Mark Lowe has all the pitches and velocity to be a lights out closer. His K rates have declined though and his LD rate is kinda high.
You got slurved!
The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.
by Slurvey on Jul 30, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of Z's trades so far
have basically been “this is the player I want, now I’m going to go get him.” I kind of wonder how he’s going to do when he has a player to sell. That’s the reason I worry we keep Washburn. Because if Z doesn’t see a particular player, he may just say no deal.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 30, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy it.
For example, Zduriencik probably never would have traded for Gutierrez if the Fernando Perez trade hadn’t fallen through. But it did, so he looked elsewhere for a center fielder.
He probably could have had Brignac or Hardy, but it appears the price was too high for his taste, so he found a different shortstop.
Z’s not perfect, but I wouldn’t be too quick to project a Bavasi-like quality like that onto him.
by Teej on Jul 30, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah this.
None of Z’s trades or acquisitions have been for a specific player… aside from maybe Branyan, but there were a lot of reasons there that made tons of sense (needed a first baseman, cheap, lefty, etc).
Going balls to the wall for a specific guy was Bavasi’s calling card.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 30, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm just being irrational because I'm so very worried.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 30, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a bretty large amount of time before 2010.
If I asked any of you if we were going to be above .500 and “in somewhat contention” at this point during the off-season, not many of you would say yes. For now, I have no reason to doubt what Jack does until he does something stupid. That doesn’t seem to be his M.O.
Illegible
by kevin_ess on Jul 30, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Branyan was a specific target because nobody else in the universe wanted him.
At least not for a full-time role.
by Teej on Jul 30, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(In other words, all it took was a phone call to get Branyan. Different situation.)
by Teej on Jul 30, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AND THEN STRIKE FUCKING STRAIGHT UP GOLD.
Muscle Canyon. My mancrush.
Illegible
by kevin_ess on Jul 30, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the story that Doug Melvin tells
Branyan called Z at his suggestion.
by JetSam on Jul 31, 2009 5:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random question
If we were to try and sneak Wilson through waivers and trade him, would any team who claimed him have to pay the full amount left on his contract this year, or would they only have to pay the league minimum since the Pirates paid us the cash for the rest of his contract?
Not saying I want to deal Wilson in August, just something I was unsure about.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 30, 2009 11:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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