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7/29: Open Game Thread, Part 2

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Oh. Right.

a failure pile in a sadness bowl.

by royalcurve on Jul 29, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

So is it just me?

Or is Ichiro using a more crouched and slightly open stance than usual… I always remember him standing a little taller and closed off (I could just be retarded)

Also

Bunt here?

Formerly Mariners124M... Username was sorta bland, so I'm changin it up

by BQueezy on Jul 29, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Ugh how did he not score on that?

Please don’t fuck this up Griffey

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by gregrabble on Jul 29, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions  

GRIFFEY!

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Jul 29, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

GRIFFEY GRIFFEY GRIFFEY GRIFFEY GRIFFEY

GRIFFEY GRIFFEY GRIFFEY GRIFFEY GRIFFEY

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by gregrabble on Jul 29, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

GRIFFEY'S BACK

I CAN’T WAIT FOR BOBBLEHEAD NIGHT!

by katal on Jul 29, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

GRIFFEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GRIFFEYGRIFFEYGRIFFEYGRIFFEYGRIFFEYGRIFFEYGRIFFEYGRIFFEYGRIFFEYGRIFFEYGRIFFEYGRIFFEYGRIFFEYGRIFFEYGRIFFEYGRIFFEY

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 29, 2009 3:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Rad

a failure pile in a sadness bowl.

by royalcurve on Jul 29, 2009 3:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Needs more runs

Try not to take me too seriously

by calim on Jul 29, 2009 3:28 PM PDT reply actions  

2 doubles for the griff.

He didn’t even have to run that hard. .. or Wilson could be Griffey knees for an inning

by Whoopetydoo on Jul 29, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

It's definitely not a strike

But he’s been calling it all night

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by gregrabble on Jul 29, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for banning me for awhile there for not using the subject line. At another sbnation site no one uses it except for exclamations. Sorry I wasn’t in the know there. Now bite it.

Emerald City Funk Machine

by blackvanilla on Jul 29, 2009 3:32 PM PDT reply actions  

It's been real.

Later gator.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jul 29, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

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by gregrabble on Jul 29, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously

It’s like a different world.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is why I don't hang out at too many of the other SBN blogs

for teams I like. They’re just so painful to read.

Not that I’m a UW fan but I remember trying to read the UW blog and the lack of comment reply going on just drove me nuts.

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Jul 29, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only good football blog is Field Gulls

And our readers are out of control half the time. Though it has gotten better.

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 29, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

In September FG will be so bad. :(

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we will be surprised by our running game this year. Our starting 5 O-Linemen won't be on injured reserve to start the year.

Also, Julius and TJ are better than Hawks fans think. I think 7-9 is a worst case scenario, 12-4 is a best-case. I would not be shocked at all if we made it back to the playoffs. After all, how likely is it that we’ll lose our top 7 receivers, all 5 of our linemen, our starting QB for 8 games, our 2nd QB for 1 game, two of our LBs for 3 games, etc etc etc. for the rest of the year? The 2008 Seahawks, as referenced on FG, were historically unlucky with injuries.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with pretty much all of that. I think we'll be +/- 10 wins.

But I’m far from convinced that the RBs are sufficient for doing anything other than sneaking us into the playoffs.

by lemonverbena on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh they're not great by any means.

I expect league-average production out of them. Maybe 4.0 YPC, 15 TDs from the total group, and 1,700 yards? If Hass returns to moderate form, and the Defense improves, that’s enough for 7-11 wins with 6 as a worst case and 12 as a best case.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh. FG has pretty shitty commenters.

And I realize I myself am a shitty commenter probably 2/3 of the time. But you, JM, and Doug keep the main page content so good that I can’t stop reading.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hee hee

a failure pile in a sadness bowl.

by royalcurve on Jul 29, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sometimes I wonder how someone can see a subject line used on 1000 comments in game threads

then get warned about how we use it here, and then still not think they need to use it. Thousands and thousands of comments, each one with the subject line, and they act like this is totally new and we are picking on them.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jul 29, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Sweeney babysat his dog once

Grifey tickled him at the Allstar game I think

by Whoopetydoo on Jul 29, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

K!

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by gregrabble on Jul 29, 2009 3:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice pick by Shelton

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by gregrabble on Jul 29, 2009 3:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks

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by gregrabble on Jul 29, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

GOD

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes he is.

a failure pile in a sadness bowl.

by royalcurve on Jul 29, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I beg to differ.

Also, who asked you?

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that'll work well for you.

Look what happened when we sacrificed Adenhart.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Too soon.

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by TheOptimist on Jul 29, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Guess not. :P

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by TheOptimist on Jul 29, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whew

Aardsma in the ninth…I feel confident.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 3:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I've been out all evening and have missed two trades and a game?!

What is the general feeling of the trades? First glance, looks like an unusual trade considering our position as reloading?

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by EnglishMariner on Jul 29, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions  

I like em

Not as much as the dreamy thoughts we hoped for but I think definitely upgraded

by Whoopetydoo on Jul 29, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Am I foolish for not being disappointed with Wilson and Snell for a 26-year old with no position, a MIF who can't hit, and 3 maybe-they-will or maybe-they-won't A-ballers?

Honestly, I’m happy we’re winning without our new talent, and I think the deal is a slight M’s win, though not a great deal for us. But honestly…we’re beating Roy Halladay right now. And we got a high K reliever for a reclamation project like Wlad. We may have given up too much quantity, but I really feel like we gave up high-risk, high reward, for medium risk, medum/high-reward (Snell being the high reward) am I wrong?

Also, holy crap we are winning against Roy Halladay while starting Chris Woodward at SS and Junior doubled in the go-ahead runs. I feel getting a true MLB SS, a 3-4 SP for high-risk high-reward guys, and winning against Halladay with our over the hill DH delivring the big blow is a great day overall.

Also, why is Branyan sitting two straight days? Is he hurt? My news search is in German today and will be in Italian tomorrow, so it’s hard to understand what’s going on. A little help, guys?

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree with you about the trade

It’s not something that I’m really excited about, but I thought we did okay.

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by gregrabble on Jul 29, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's pretty much my thought. We got real upgrades at positions of need.

But, we may have gave up a little too much. However, it’s not a huge loss. We improved 2009 and 2010 at the cost of hurting ourselves in 2011 and 12 if the three A-ballers pan out. However, if they don’t we win the deal outright. Though I know evaluating deals at the time in better than evaluating them in retrospect.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's rephrase this:

I think that the value of that package will likely be around the equivalent of a league average starting pitcher for six years. This includes all of them as relievers, two of them as #4s, etc.

by Graham MacAree on Jul 29, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that's a stretch.

90th percentile you get two of ‘em. Lorin/Pribanic weren’t getting GBs with like 85 MPH fbs.
Two #4s is possible. Maybe not exactly likely, but….

by marc w on Jul 29, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pribanic was also running below average K rates in A ball as a college arm.

I liked him, but I don’t have high hopes for him.

If it was Adcock + one of Pribanic or Lorin, I think this would be looking like an even trade.

by Matthew on Jul 29, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be happier with that

But I just can’t believe the Pirates had the leverage to demand this much. Snell told them he had no desire to pitch for them anymore. And they got ALL of Adcock/Pribanic/Lorin?

You’re right about Pribanic of course, but I think he made immense strides this year, and I feel there’s more projection there. He’s just not a finished/polished product. That and, uh, TONS of ground balls.

by marc w on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Buds, Paul. Buds.

He was a fan of freshly ground bud, and always knew where to find some. But no, he wasn’t a GB pitcher.

by marc w on Jul 29, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was my thought as well.

Pittsburgh will be happy if one of the three turns into a league average starter. If two pan out, we lose the deal. If three pan out, we did terrible in the deal. I guess the way I see it is, even if one pans out, we win. If two pan out, we lose slightly. If three pan out, we lose a lot. But at the time, if it’s not a slight M’s win, it’s a slight Pirates win. It’s not too lopsided in either team’s favor.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not calling them irrelevant.

I guess I feel that A-Ballers that are not blue chippers have upside as 3 starters if they completely pan out, 4-5 starters if they reach their mean, and are AAAA guys if they don’t. I feel they have value, but they are not extremely likely to reach their full potential.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Results based analysis.

You’re better than that, Brett!

by katal on Jul 29, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well here's how I think it is.

Results wise, our 3 A-Ballers have done really well. However, looking at the track records of most A-Ballers, they’re not likely to become more than 3, 4, or 5 starters, if they make the majors at all. Clement will likely be an ~.800 OPS bat, Cedeno will be .600-700 with good D. The A-Ballers…I don’t feel too bad losing them. I feel a bit bad losing THREE of them. However, odds are, based on past history, only one of them is likely to pan out. At least, that’s how it feels. I have no problem admitting I’m wrong if people can provide evidence otherwise about A-Baller’s success (J/M/G?) but I feel that Pittsburgh is hoping that Clement hits, Cedeno is around a .700 OPS, not .600, and one of the three P’s pans out. I do think that is a tall order. I don’t think that’s results based. I don’t think it’s a steal for the M’s. But I really don’t think it’s bad for the M’s either.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only one of them is likely to pan out they have a 33% success rate.

67%^3=30% which would therefore be the likelihood of none of them panning out per your suggestion.

by Graham MacAree on Jul 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure. But even if they have 30% success rate (if that's how I'm to understand it, I've had a bit to drink so I'm sorry if I don't

I don’t think that’s a bad deal for the M’s.

WIlson is what, a 1.5-2.5 win player? Snell may have upside as a 3.50 FIP (I mean, he’s young and around 4.30 career), 4.20 tRA guy? I think we’re going for risk as much as the Pirates. We gave up a quantity of potentially good players for a few guys that our (fairly smart) FO thinks may give us a bit more value. I think part of my optimism may be just blind trust in Jack Z, but I really don’t think it’s a bad deal. We’re not ripping the Pirates off, but it’s in the realm of slight M’s win to slight M’s loss. I don’t feel bad about the deal.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand that.

However, if they end up being #5 arms/RPs, a not unlikely scenario, how bad is it? If we lose 5 years of middle relivers and/or a #5 starter, how bad is that? Jack has assembled pretty good #5 arms and MRPs for pretty much nothing. I know we’ve only had three averageish RPs by FIP (White, Lowe, Aardsma) but getting #5’s/RPs under team control for a small amount of money doesn’t look like something that Z is bad at. I guess that’s why I’m not worried. I feel like he can replace this loss fairly cheaply. Yeah, we may have lost a #3 starter if Lorin totally pans out. But we have to keep risk in mind. And if he becomes a #3 starter, I will cheerfully admit that Z blew it, hard, on this deal. I just don’t see the risk/reward possibility as that bad on the three A arms. I keep saying—it’s not a GREAT deal. But to say it’s bad is overstating it, really. For it to be bad, the A-ball arms would have to become more than cheap #5’s or decent Middle relievers. It’s possible they will become more than that. But based on what I’ve seen of pitching prospects in my day, I really just expect the least from pitching prospects. That’s probably wrong of me to do. I think not hating,but not loving the deal is about right. It’s a good return that may look below average later. But it’s not a deal we’ll rue in the future, I don’t think.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

*If* Snell works out, and is a 4.2 tRA guy

(and please note his career tRA is closer to 5, though there were extenuating circumstances like he hated everyone), we’ll be paying him $4.25 million next year and then a club option at $6.75m the year after.
IF we want our 1.5-2.5 WAR SS in Wilson, we’ll need to pay him $8.4M.

That’s what happens if everything works out. That’s not a terrible outcome or anything, but we traded ‘a ballers’ and Clement and Cedeno for a moderate chance of paying players around what they’re worth. Huh.

by marc w on Jul 29, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven't looked up Snell's tRA today, so I admit that I'm ignorant to that.

However his FIP is pretty solid. I’ll discuss this more tomorrow afternoon however. It’s 1:30 am here and I have to sleep.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

His FIP is around league averageish

It was 4.57 in ‘08 and 4.57 in ’09. Again, we seem to be betting on the notion that he’s much more like his career year in ‘07 (4.01 FIP), and that he’s been walking the world because he’s mad at Pittsburgh.
I’ve got no problem with that – he seems talented and all. But again, IF he’s able to pull it together a bit and get to league average in the AL (which would take a lot of improvement), then…. he’ll be paid exactly what he’s worth.
Again, he’s a good risk, but Pitt. had no leverage with him, and we seemed to give up a lot in order to assume that risk.

by marc w on Jul 29, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's an annoying trade because it feels like we could have gotten more.

But because the pirates are also essentially paying their contracts the rest of the year, it’s not that bad. Wlad’s kind of sucks, but whatever. Also Branyan has back tightness.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jul 29, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also feel like we could've gotten more.

But I trust Jack to make the best trade available to us at the time. I feel if he could’ve brought back a Brignac/Kazmir package, he would’ve done it.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I trust you then.

I guess I just feel that unless two of Pribanic, Lorin, and Adcock actually pan out, we win. I’ve heard people say that Jeffie’s upside is .275/.360/.475…and as a catcher, that’s great, but as a 1B, not so much. Also, Cedeno is what, a 1-2 WAR player? I guess the reason I see it as a slight M’s win—at least for now—is because we gave up guys who may or may not make it to the bigs for guys who are sure upgrades now. I love me some prospects, but it seems we gave up C+ to B prospects, not A prospects to get solid MLB players now. And as much as I love Jeffie, I don’t see him as more than a B prospect. But I’d love to hear a more detailed take from you—I know I’m not half the analyst you are. Let me know why you think what you do? I’ve heard Jeff’s take, but I’d love to hear yours as well.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

In High Desert and his other numbers and rates suggested that he would do better.

You got slurved!

The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.

by Slurvey on Jul 29, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dammit... I suck

You got slurved!

The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.

by Slurvey on Jul 29, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this is different...

Lorin, Pribanic, and Adcock are high-risk, high reward guys. People knew Jones would be good. They knew Tillman would likely at least be not-terrible. I don’t see this package as comparable, because the three arms we gave up are all high risk, being in A-ball and all. As I’ve said, I don’t think this is an outright win for the M’s. But it’s not a loss. For 2009 and 10, it’s probably a wash or slight win. But you have to factor the risk of the A-Ballers we gave up as well as the reward. Like I’ve said, you’re a better analyst than I, but I don’t seriously believe that we overpaid drastically. Maybe a little. But not a lot.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, what I've been trying to communicate (poorly, probably) is that Jack may not feel that they are likely to reach their potential.

If he’s wrong on them, well, we didn’t do too well in this deal. But if he’s right, we did. At the time of the deal, we are either slight winners or slight losers in my eyes. But I think Jack knows how to evaluate players, and the risk is probably why he was willing to trade them.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly. They have value, and I recognize that.

But how many A-Ballers of that profile pan out? I think Jack Z is just hoping that they don’t pan out to improve for the next two years. Yes, it sucks to lose them, but I think he’s taking less risk for a higher chance of medium to above average reward.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I care about their careers.

I’m not jumping for joy over the deal. But realistically, it’s unlikely that all three of the a-ballers pan out. If Clement becomes an .830 OPS 1B, and Ronny reaches a .700 OPS true talent level, and two of the three A-Ballers pan out then Pittsburgh won the deal. However, it has seemed in the past that high risk a-ballers don’t often pan out. If they do, results wise, we lose. I think Jack Z’s line of thinking is, however, that it’s not likely that all three pan out, and we’re adding wins against high risk A-Baller’s panning out. Like I said, it’s not a great deal, but I just feel it’s wrong to lament it as a BAD deal.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many WAR do you think Wilson/Snell will provide next year?

Is that worth losing 6 years of Clement and the probability of getting some contribution for the pitchers?

by Graham MacAree on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

And how much will we pay them next year?

It’s sporting of Pittsburgh to throw in money for 09 (which is more than half over), but that’s not the point.

by marc w on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best-case scenario?

Wilson is worth 2.5 WAR with a great year, and Snell is worth 3.0 WAR. Best-case scenario. At worst, Wilson is what, 1.5, and Snell is 2.0?

I love Clement. I almost bought a jersey. If he has a great year, he’s worth what, 3.0 WAR as a 1B? His bat is great for a catcher and average for a 1B as far as I’ve been told from great SABR analysts like you and J/M and Dave.

Cedeno? 1.5 if he can get to a .300 wOBA and play similar defense?

The 3 A-Ball arms are nice. But Lorin is a 3.0 WAR guy if all pans out, Adcock about the same, and Pribanic around 2.0? That’s if they reach their absolute upside, right? At least, that’s how I seem to interpret it from what I’ve read. Maybe I’m wrong. But it seems like, for 2009 and 2010, we win the deal. It’s possible Pittsburgh gets better value. But if we get 2 wins from Snell and Wilson this year, and 5 wins from the two next year, it’s not terrible. Pittsburgh’s return has higher upside, but significantly higher risk. If they all reach their potential, we lose the deal outright. But how likely is it that all of the players we traded reach their total upside?

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is the nature of trades like this

Of course the players we got are going to be more valuable over the next year and a half. Pittsburgh is trading for the future. But if they end up with a Clement and a Lorin as quality major leaguers under team control at a cheap cost, then they win the deal long-term. If Adcock or Pribanic also get to that level, it’s a wipe-out unless Snell is phenomenal here.

Try not to take me too seriously

by calim on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

The point is

It’s really, really hard to grade a trade like this until you do have some results.

Try not to take me too seriously

by calim on Jul 29, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right. I know for 2009 and 2010 it's hard for us to lose.

I’m just saying that, it’s possible that we win beyond that too. Not necessarily likely, but it’s not a sure thing that even one of the three A-Ballers pan out. I think overall this trade is most likely to be a wash for us. But to call it great, or terrible, seems wrong to me.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sum six years each of Clement, Pribanic, Lorin, and Adcock

We clearly lose this deal long term. We also clearly win the deal for next year.

by Graham MacAree on Jul 29, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Branyans back is sore. He'll be back soon

I think it was a relatively even trade. Wilson just made an appearance in the dugout. Introduced himself to Wak

by Whoopetydoo on Jul 29, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Branyan's been sore lately.

I don’t like the trade; we gave up too much minor league talent.

by katal on Jul 29, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

How cute.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

p.p.s. geoff baker is an idiot

by InSpokane on Jul 29, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bless his heart!

a failure pile in a sadness bowl.

by royalcurve on Jul 29, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

DAMN IT AARDSMA NO

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by gregrabble on Jul 29, 2009 3:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Why are there so many Blue Jays fans????

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by EnglishMariner on Jul 29, 2009 3:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Vancouver not that far away?

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by TheOptimist on Jul 29, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah but you need a passport now

I would have assumed that would keep several Canucks north of the border

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by Corco on Jul 29, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Canada is not too far away.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

p.p.s. geoff baker is an idiot

by InSpokane on Jul 29, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well crap.

Pitch better Aardsma.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 3:48 PM PDT reply actions  

We should have traded for a closer instead

We’re doomed

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by tootthekazoo on Jul 29, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions  

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by Corco on Jul 29, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whew

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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 29, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Thrid out ground out to Hannhan (SP)

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

p.p.s. geoff baker is an idiot

by InSpokane on Jul 29, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Swinging Strikeout

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

p.s. fuck you angels

p.p.s. geoff baker is an idiot

by InSpokane on Jul 29, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sanchez got traded to San Fran?

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Jul 29, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

AARDSMARIFIC

My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!

by gregrabble on Jul 29, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

CASE CLOSED! THE DA!

My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!

by gregrabble on Jul 29, 2009 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

CANADA SHOULD STICK TO BEING A DOMINION.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 29, 2009 3:54 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

We won without Jeff Clement!

WOO

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org

by Corco on Jul 29, 2009 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

AWESOME

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 29, 2009 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Neat, a win.

Today is still disappointing.

Trade Washburn!

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Jul 29, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions  

DA DA DA

a failure pile in a sadness bowl.

by royalcurve on Jul 29, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions  

WASHBURN FOR HALLADAY STRAIGHT UP

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 29, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Needs more

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jul 29, 2009 3:56 PM PDT reply actions  

HYPHEN!!

My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!

by gregrabble on Jul 29, 2009 3:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Boston is loosing

But I don’t know why I care because there’snoway

Try not to take me too seriously

by calim on Jul 29, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Why not keep hoping?

I still want to trade Wash, but there’s no reason not to hope for a miracle.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do know how to spell, by the way

I don’t know why I decided to type loosing

Try not to take me too seriously

by calim on Jul 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scott Elbert scratched from his start in AAA

99% chance it has nothing to do with the Mariners, but the Dodgers were looking at starting pitching…

If not, could be a trade elsewhere. In which case it could still be moderately interesting, because Elbert is pretty good.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

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