Clement Thread
As most of you know, Jeff Clement was pulled from Tacoma's game today in the 3rd inning after hitting a double in the first. It does not appear to be injury or sickness related per Divish. Knock yourselves out. Updates as available.
My thought is that it's either a trade or a callup and we won't find out which until Wednesday. Fun!
My first update is that Wakamatsu doesn't have a damn clue. Which probably lessens the likelihood of a callup.
Second update: He's gone. Clement is gone. We just don't know the return.
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Commenters at both USSM and MLBTR are saying that we got Jed Lowrie from the Sox
Don’t find that at all believable, but whatever.
me so cool
USSM is broken.
Something must be happening.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
I think they were lying.
The rumor was Clement, Washburn, and Lowe for Lowrie. I think it’s made-up.
by AtomicGarden on Jul 28, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
When Clement was pulled, Jarrod Washburn was pitching in the 4th inning. If he got traded at that
time, why would he continue to pitch till the end of 7th?
That's a typo
Jeffie has been traded for a bottle of Lowry’s salt.
by OlSalty on Jul 28, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Random commenters generally don't get information before reputable or semi-reputable sources
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 28, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
They referenced MLB Network
and if they actually reported it, it would have long since been reported by other sources.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 28, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
This doesn't even pass the rosterbation test. The Red Sox need a shortstop badly. Why the hell would they trade Lawrie?
Three-way deal in which Tampa tosses in Jason Bartlett to Boston and gets nothing in return
yay I can be like MLBtraderumors commenters!
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of Jason Bartlett, is Bartlett and Garza for Young quickly approaching Bedard levels of awfulness for the Twins?
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Still, it's not like it was obviously bad from the start.
At least, not obviously that bad.
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Wow
F%#& Billy Beane. Actually... I kinda like Holliday
by vivaelpujols on Jul 28, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Darn it.
I come to LL and on the front page I see “Clement Traded.”
My heart literally skipped a beat, and then I re-read the headline.
Does the timing preclude the possibility he was traded with Washburn?
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
That's a possibilty.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 28, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
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This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 28, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Huh...
Sorta funny that it’s Rob Johnson sitting next to him…
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 29, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe they should trade him to the Ducks so he can get his ring
by Graham MacAree on Jul 28, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
I find it unlikely that the Ducks will win the Stanley Cup next year and Clement doesn't have the knees to play hockey
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 28, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was talking to Jeff Sullivan on the telephone and he told me he heard that Clement got traded for Cody Ransom and Brent Lillibridge
by Dewey N on Jul 28, 2009 10:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I would spend months making fun of Cody Ransom's van accident
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 28, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I tried to start a Cody Ransom chant at Yankee Stadium two days ago and only 5 people joined me even after Cody hit two doubles
And only three of us gave him standing ovations. New Yankee Stadium fans suck
by Dewey N on Jul 28, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's funny because you're implying that at some point
in time Yankees fans didn’t suck.
by Liebkartoffel on Jul 28, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
truth, going from the
mariners win to watching the indians attempt a comeback to trade rumor blog surfing makes for a vicious cycle at 1:30 am with work in 8 hours
If you sleep, you get to wake up and find out what happened immediately
instead of sitting around waiting for an announcement.
That’s my plan at least.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
I live in Boston and totally agree
I hate it here.
But then it's such a let down when you log straight on to Lookout Landing
and see that “Clement Thread” is still at the top of the page.
I leave the country in 12 hours for a three-week trip to Ethiopia.
I feel your pain. If this story doesn’t break in the next 8 hours, I will not know until mid-August.
No access to the internet at all?
That must be a horrible position to be in.
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Nothing. Nada.
Potentially an internet cafe after reaching Addis, and one when leaving on the 16th. Nothing in between. We’re staying out in a small town in the north.
On the bright side,
If we have a miracle August, I will come home to something wonderful.
Coincidently, Rick Steves was just talking this weekend about buying/renting phones in-country
such as this
I love this site.
I’ll hunt this down while in Addis. Thanks for the advice; we’ll look into it.
Just remember that "incoming international calls are free" means that the person who is calling you is paying - probably ALOT.
Hey, check out international calling cards before you leave. They are not all equal
Many are very regional friendly for say Africa, but punish you if you make a call in Mexico. Read the fine print, beware of connection penalties, the like.
If you contact the US Embassy in Addis
it’s a possibility that they’ll hook you up with some internet access. We have a library here with a couple of terminals that we’ve let wayward Americans use from time to time.
So I've been trying to follow this but I think I've lost track of Clement's status over the last month or so.
Is he still physically capable of catching? Has he returned to catching recently?
Sorry for being off the ball with this.
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So grission means 'not deserving of death by flaying' yes?
by Graham MacAree on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
hey, felix, throw a fastball
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
this was a better comeback last year
King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president
Nope.
Practice for when he plays for the Rays.
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Love(d). Welcome to Seattle Evan Longoria!
...and now I'm here
Suck it.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 28, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Trade Rumor Sites Are Like Weathermen
Mostly wrong but we still keep surfing to them.
I should start one up on the side.
Clement and Washburn to Minnesota for Nick Punto and R.A. Dickey
I wouldn't start one of those sites.
It takes a shitload of work to be that wrong all the time.
...and now I'm here
Wakamatsu weighs in on Clement rumors...
Here’s what manager Don Wakamatsu said: “I just found out. I’m sitting here trying to get out of a four-game losing streak. If anything happens, I trust our organization in Jack Zduriencik’s hands. I don’t know any details beyond he was pulled,”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2009555294_tacomas_jeff_clement_pinch-hit.html
You would think he would get word if Clement was being called up..
Wish we didn’t have to wait until tomorrow morning to find out – but yeah, it’s looking like we are.
by seattlesundevil on Jul 28, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade rumors would be so annoying as a manager
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 28, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
If Washburn brings back any value.
Then Armstrong will come out looking like a hero.
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Nut----->Blind squirrel
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 28, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm hearing it's for LaRoche and Hudson
by Robert on Jul 28, 2009 10:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 5 recs
Damn, I was gonna make this joke and decided not to...
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 28, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was Clement to the Royals
for Yuni and Willie … I hear the M’s are in need of some options at SS
Does anyone have Channel 179 on comcast?
I didn’t realize you could watch the DJs from KJR on there.
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I don't really listen to KJR that much.
Is he not that good of a DJ?
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I think it's funny how sports journalists are somehow synonymous with sports knowledge. You don't expect Brian Williams to really know a shitload about national news and history - just report it.
These guys on KJR are entertainers, and nothing more.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
"You don't expect Brian Williams to really know a shitload about national news and history "
you don’t?
I think a news journalist like that would obviously know a lot, but I don't think he'd know it necessarily a lot more than a person who watches Brian Williams report the news everyday.
Okay, BW would know more than the viewers, but my point is, it doesn’t make him a genius, he got the job for his reporting skills, not his knowledge is my main argument. Do we expect Stuart Scott to know a lot about ANYTHING? I really hope not.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, he does read a teleprompter.
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The guys on KJR are hired for their opinions.
When your opinion is wrong and stupid, then you’re not very good at your job.
by Coach Owens on Jul 28, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you saying that the guys on KJR do have great opinions?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Some of them are smarter than the others.
When you claim something that’s wrong as a fact, like Softy often does, then you’re going to look stupid.
by Coach Owens on Jul 28, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Its really Mitch that I can't stand. But that had less to do with sports and more to do with being such an annoying show.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
And no, I don't really believe that it's all about on-air personality.
Otherwise people like Dori Monson wouldn’t have jobs.
by Coach Owens on Jul 28, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually think Mitch is the best interviewer on local sports radio
yearning for Henry Cotto's moustache...
The rightness of an opinion doesn't matter on radio.
It’s how loudly you state it
yearning for Henry Cotto's moustache...
Newscaster and Sportscenter anchors are different.
by Mariner John on Jul 28, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I did major in broadcast production and know for a fact that everybody who was majoring in broadcast journalism was a complete idiot.
And they won’t all be sports anchors.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree, I don't think people in journalism are the smartest people.
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What about me? I'm a double in journalism and broadcasting?
I guess that means periods of brilliance offset by utter retardation?
by SethGrandpa on Jul 28, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah...I forgot I don't do shit in school.
by SethGrandpa on Jul 28, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry if a struck a chord there.
I said that without really thinking how I would offend someone. But from what I’ve heard journalism is a pretty bullshit major. But then again, business also doesn’t seem to be as rigorous as computer science or engineering.
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No, I was kidding around, you've VERY justified in saying that.
I really don’t do anything. My friends who are engineers do more homework in a week than I do in a semester and that is 0% exaggeration.
by SethGrandpa on Jul 29, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm guessing that they won't make it to the biggest stage in their field though if they're dumb.
by Mariner John on Jul 28, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I have to disagree.
I remember there was one guy in the journalism side of the class out of about 15 or 20 when I was graduating and everyone was sure he’d be the one to make it. Because he was smart? No. Because he had a voice like Stone Philips. It’s all about how you look and sound and are able to read a teleprompter.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you ever have an argument based outside of your own subjective experiences?
angels fan in seattle
You're very objective about the Angels.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't you just want to lick the space between his eyebrows?
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Jul 28, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would you lick the space between his thighbrows?
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
YES. WOULD YOU?
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
.
I remember there was one guy in the journalism side of the class out of about 15 or 20 when I was graduating and everyone was sure he’d be the one to make it.
Wow.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 28, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow what?
Do you want me to tell you how it works? You think I went to a small school with an unknown school of journalism?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
That wasn't my point so get that fucking know out of your undies.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 28, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Whats your point then?
Im honestly curious.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
My point is that making broad assertions based on that small a scope of experience is dumb
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 28, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not like I'm looking at someone who goes 10-for-20 to start the season and believe he's going to hit .500.
I was just giving an opinion based on my own experiences from going to a big journalism school and explaining that the kid that stood out the most was not the smartest, just looked and sounded the most like a real news anchor. NBC would never hire a really really smart ugly person over one who looked and sounded great but was an idiot. They do have writers.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh brother
You’re Ken Rosenthal aren’t you?
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Bearskin I thought we had been getting along.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I get upset when people pull their pedigrees out
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 29, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't trying to do that. But I read his comment as "so you went to a shitty school?"
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Really I'm only invoking his name because it would be douchey to bring up mine.
Oh shit I’m a douche.
I don't know how to stop.
So the one guy from your graduating class is going to take over when one of the 3 big nightly news anchors retires?
In 20 or so years?
by Mariner John on Jul 28, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
How does what I say come off as "my opinions are true and final" anymore than anyone elses?
If anything, I’ve mostly come off as “sorry if this sounds ignorant but…”
IM SO SORRY I SAID SOMETHING BAD ABOUT ERICK AYBAR! Please forgive me.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. If you plan to hang around here, you might need
to develop a thicker skin. Everybody else has. Well, I haven’t needed to because everybody loves me and I’m better.
by Liebkartoffel on Jul 28, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
How the hell should I know?
I just know what the opinions of the people in the class were. And while I prepare for the hurling of insults I’ll just say that I went to WSU.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
So did another LLer and he seems to disagree with you vehemently
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 28, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I think its fair to say that its okay to disagree and it also doesn't necessarily make my opinion false.
It really is just my opinion based on my experiences and if you asked most of the people I went to school with, they would agree. But maybe it was just a bad year at Murrow.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
So did I. I was an editor at the Evergreen for four years.
In a general sense, it’s true, the broadcast majors tended to be the more vain people who were less interested in actual journalism. But I still knew a lot of people in the broadcast program who were dedicated to doing great work and just thought broadcast was a better medium for their careers. And that medium tends to require more . . . non-journalistic values, if you will.
Five years later, it’s looking like they might have been wise, as furious as it makes me to say that.
I get where you’re going. And I tend to have a pretty negative outlook toward broadcast journalism, trust me. But there are still a lot of good people there. The world just forced them into a medium that . . . OK I’m rambling. Go Cougs!
First off, Go Cougs
Secondly, I just found that most of the people that truly cared about journalism, majored in Production or Print Journalism. But the Broadcast Journalism majors reminded me a lot of the people who I see everyday in my new town. That would be Los Angeles and those people would be Actors. They have a look and they want to use it to their advantage and it’s rarely because they are the most amazing actors of all-time.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
And also
Its not that I think everyone in journalism, whether it be on TV or Radio is an idiot. I just think it’s wrong for so many to people believe that because you are on TV or Radio that makes you smart on the subject. I should know, for most of my life, I thought this to be true. There are very few people on ESPN left that I trust.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Hahahaha
That Eddie Guardado/Tim Leyland incident was pretty funny.
by Pessimistic Optimist on Jul 28, 2009 10:48 PM PDT reply actions
Eddie Guardado..
..Threw behind the batter and Jim Leyland started mouthing off to him and Eddie looked at him and started yelling and making that “yap yap yap” hand gesture.
by Pessimistic Optimist on Jul 28, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Watching Buehrle tonight, _again_,
Watching Ichiro get the walk off,
Watching the team celebrate and the fans at Safeco get into it,
Watching the rumors swirl as trade deadline approaches,
Watching as everyone sits and waits to unwrap what Z has in store for us,
Man, I love baseball! And we’re not even in contention anymore!
So since we've got a while
Why is Escobar rated so much higher as a prospect than Brignac? I understand Escobar is an elite defender while Brignac is merely very good. Escobar is a year younger, but their offensive statistics are similar. Is it simply Escobar’s stolen base potential that puts him over the top? Or do scouts just see something in his offensive development that will make him a star?
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 28, 2009 10:54 PM PDT reply actions
Being an elite defender is huge and from what I understand Escobar has plenty of potential at the plate
by Graham MacAree on Jul 28, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't Escobar also have great speed?
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Yes.
From what I can tell…
Brignac-good speed, great defense
Escobar-great speed, elite defense
I suppose that’s what separates them, I just wouldn’t expect one to be untouchable and the other one obtainable.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 28, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Could Escobar be the next Betancourt?
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Bartlett is a lot better than Hardy.
And around for longer.
by Mariner John on Jul 28, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I still can't believe Jason Bartlett was acquired for his defense and all of a sudden the Rays got that magnificent offense too.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you answered your own question
Hes a better defender. Hes a year younger.
by Pessimistic Optimist on Jul 28, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I read somewhere (Prospect Insider?) that Brignac could have a higher offensive ceiling.
Interesting. I’d take either one.
by AtomicGarden on Jul 28, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I would gladly take either.
Brignac probably has the offensive edge, but let’s not overlook how important a good defender at shortstop can be. Escobar gives me a boner.
Nomar, A-Rod, and Jeter all seemed to change the national perception of what a shortstop is supposed to be offensively.
Before that, it seems that shortstop and offense never went in the same sentence, you took what you could get. And guys like Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel are hall of famers for a reason.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this is more of a fair-weather baseball fans point of view.
Still accurate though.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 28, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don't think as many people cared if a shortstop hit .250 with no power in 1981.
Part of how the game has changed.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Right about the time Cal Ripken came up
I’ve always heard his name come up as the prototype big SS, when this kind of conversation comes around. He’s really tall. And he has really dreamy blue eyes.
Picturing him as Andrus makes me biased
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 28, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey hey, don't be a bigot
he could also be black.
Going over their FanGraphs and Cube stats and some BA reports, Alcides Escobar's ceiling seems to be similar to Yunel Escobar's.
On another note, holy crap I can’t believe the Braves ever even let rumors swirl that they were trading Yunel Escobar earlier this month (Bobby Cox fed up with his head-case-ness, etc.). That would’ve been absolutely insane.
New Info: "I don't think we're selling, I think we're going out to get somebody."
From Divish, However, I talked with a player, who seemed pretty certain that a deal would be announced tomorrow. And that player, said, “I don’t think we’re selling, I think we’re going out to get somebody.”
http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/mariners/2009/07/28/jeff_clement_removed_from_rainiers_game_
Player won't know anything so I wouldn't put much stock in this
by Graham MacAree on Jul 28, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
It's probably just Griffey fucking with everyone.
by I Lick Squirrels on Jul 28, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
STOP COMMENTING OUT OF YOUR ASS ABOUT EVERYTHING JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
by Graham MacAree on Jul 28, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
At least mix up the orifice you use once in a while.
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by Eyebrows on Jul 28, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Umpires should do this.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 28, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
A player probably thinks
“We’re giving up a prospect, therefore, we must not be selling.”
That being said, I’d be surprised if this isn’t a package deal.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 28, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
Why trade just Clement unless it was a strictly need-for-need type swap but you’d still be expecting to get a young shortstop or pitcher maybe with lots of club control remaining. But not for a major league vet. It would make more sense if he was to sweeten a deal on a return for Washburn.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
So uh Jarrod Washburn is still a Mariner.
You got slurved!
The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.
Huh?
I’d hold on to Washburn as long as possible. Let Lee and Halladay get traded and all of a sudden he becomes the “jewel”.
Except then when one or both of them don't get traded oh fuck our asses.
by I Lick Squirrels on Jul 28, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Then were in the exact same position
we are now.
I think Jack probably has told other clubs that Washburn is a fine plan B.
So he’ll get the call on Thursday night and I don’t think we’ll be left holding the bag. If anything it’ll help us land a sweeter deal.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this.
Also, you have to talk to many teams, and Z only recently decided to shop him. It could take a few days to even get all the offers on the table.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 28, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
When the diamond rings are gone, you don't get excited about Cubitz Zirconia
...and now I'm here
Cubitz, of course, being the Cubic Zirconia you get in Chinatown
...and now I'm here
No...
just no. Diamonds and cubic zirconias are effectively unlimited. They are expensive because they are rare, yes, but you can always find another one. Not so with starting pitching.
No...
just no. There are 6 billion people in this world, and every one can be a starting pitcher if you don’t care about the quality of their pitches.
...and now I'm here
Horacio Ramirez?
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Jul 28, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
If they legalize the spitball, he'll be fine.
...and now I'm here
Throw with their feet, mouth....
No where in the rulebook does it say you have to throw with your hands.
...and now I'm here
But you do care...
I cant even tell if youre serious or not.
Take a deep breath, and count to 10 before you make your next comment
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
Or you could think for two seconds before posting
That would help answer about 3/4ths of your questions
Clement for Pujols, straight up.
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There's no way the Cardinals make that trade
Pujols is the face of the franchise and they like Molina too much
by Poochie on Jul 28, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, yeah, I forgot about Molina being there.
It’s probably Clement for Fielder.
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Griffey clearly moves to left field in this scenario.
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This is gonna be a real let down when it's Clement+ for Jack Wilson (or something like that).
by SethGrandpa on Jul 28, 2009 11:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Just went over to Komo 4 news...
and it appears it was really hot today.
We've got to trade Wlad at some point too
Wonder if he could be involved
Try not to take me too seriously
Didn't the Nyjer Morgan deal make it clear?
The Nats aren’t loading up on outfielders that can’t catch any more. Rizzo seems to actually have a clue for a guy who fell backwards into the job.
No trades will happen and you will only have missed 200 comments of people bitching at each other
and rosterbating.
angels fan in seattle
The MLB trading deadline is the most exciting and most bullshit time of year.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
And there's none of that baseball game crap to mess it up.
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So wait a minute
is everybody assuming that a deal was worked out during the first three innings or the Rainiers’ game? Because if there’s a nearly agreed upon deal, Clement does not need to start, god knows there are enough guys ready to take his place. Or did the Phillies, Red Sox, Angels, Rangers and Tigers have a scout at the game and needed to see him hit a double?
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions
Probably not worked out
but if a deal was being seriously discussed, I’d pull the guy from the game to make sure he doesn’t hurt himself again.
angels fan in seattle
I get how you can be an LAA fan and hang out in the gamethreads
but the fact that you’re in this thread as long as you apparently have been makes you signature hilarious
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He collects figurines, giant Hummel collection. It's fabulous
by Kermit. on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Laughing out loud
it’s not chatspeak if I know how to spell laughing, right?
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Dammit there are too many rules here for a board
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It isn't a board.
This is the comment section of a blog.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 28, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude...
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't even know why I'm still hanging out, slim chance of a midnight announcement I guess.
Pretty slim chance. Cracking wise wears kind of thin
Bedard is 8 inches of limp dick.
Impressive as hell, but it’s limp.
by Kermit. on Jul 28, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
And what the hell are you confused about?
It’s 8 inches of cock!
But you can't pitch with limp cock.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Captain Literal, commander of A troop of the Literal Brigade!
Hey, I know. Move down range and draw fire!
Well now I'm just confused.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually I really like Bedard, and had ridiculous hopes for Bedard/Felix/Morrow
Felix has performed up to my ridiculous expectations, the other two not so much.
I wan't to ask Bedards curve to summer ball. But I'll know it'll stand me up.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
You could lay waste to cities with 8 inches of dick
Choke a horse! But no, it just lays there limp. Mocking you with it’s very existence, unable to perform
And flag'd
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 28, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Figures. That's why I've been sitting on that wise crack for so long
Stupid abender and his dares
Kidding. I ate it up.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 28, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Because there isn't enough speculation already
I believe I just heard ESPN tease their commercial break with Lowrie for 3 Mariners.
Don’t hate me when I’m horribley wrong please.
I just never saw much I liked in Jed Lowrie.
We’ve toiled through Jeff Clement long enough to see him succeed in Boston.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
"to have to see him succeed in Boston"*
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
This would be sad, to see the Sox Nation flock Safeco as usual, but this time in their newly minted Clement T-shirts and Jerseys
And probably not know where he came from.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
Well I guess if you don't like Jed Lowrie that's good enough.
Hey guys, Kenny Knows Sports from LookoutLanding doesn’t like Jed Lowrie. I know it’s a crazy good deal for us, we’re only giving up Shawn Kelley, but fuck it, call the deal off.
angels fan in seattle
I would actually be kind of sad if they traded Shawn Kelley
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is Shawn Kelley awesome?
3-page essay please.
Throws the ball fast
Throws the ball over the plate
Throws the ball fast and over the plate in a way that batters don’t like
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the most underrated characteristic of pitching.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm.
1. Knows how to throw ball.
1a. Uses arm to throw ball rather than head or other extremity.
2. Throws regulation baseball.
3. Throws laterally, rather than straight up or straight down.
3a. Throws in the general vicinity of the batter, rather than at fans/third base ump/etc.
Pitching has many underrated characteristics.
by Liebkartoffel on Jul 28, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dolphins like fishsticks.
Fuck Anaheim.
by Eyeball Kid on Jul 28, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Does that make any sense at all?
They need a shortstop as well, I thought.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Thought so
only way we can deal with Boston is if it’s a three way, it seems.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as whatever trade occurs nets Mike Sweeney a golden retriever puppy, I'm happy
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They have bad backs!
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey sweeney is our new first base coach.... maybe?
we can put a little pen near the tarp so he can also play with the dog and babysit the other players kids
by Whoopetydoo on Jul 29, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
CHURCHILL
says Clement was traded in an approximately five-player deal, and it doesn’t look like Jack Z is selling.
We’ll see…
Approximately?
I wonder where he gets this number from. Did someone tell him it was between 4 and 6 players?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
It's four players
a torso, one arm and two legs but both are left. Head tbnl.
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
"Oh hey, Jason, Clement's been traded. All we know was that it was between one and 12 players. Just say some random
number and we’ll be okay!"
by Coach Owens on Jul 28, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
We also know that there will be players leaving the Mariners and players coming into the Mariners
by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
That second part is speculation.
...and now I'm here
Hey, that was pretty clever. Good job.
by Liebkartoffel on Jul 28, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Coach!
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What does that mean, Jack Z is not selling?
I don’t get that.
HAHAHAH
Prospect insider exclusive
De Gutibus non disputandum est
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
.
Rule of thumb,
if Churchill reports/relays/talks/whatever about it, leave it on his site.
by Matthew on Jul 27, 2009 5:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 28, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm here and inclined to believe that Churchill is on to something here
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 28, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
This is one instance where I'd tend to trust his source
He may report every little piece of crap his source rumors to happen, but at this time we have other information to support his claim, so his source may very well be correct
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I will not confirm his details from from what I am hearing he has the right idea
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 28, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Mostly white.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Jul 28, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's what I like to hear
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But if we are not selling I might be sad.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 28, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me make one thing clear:
Outside of Clement and one other Mariner minor league who you will probably not miss, nobody has any names right now. Nobody. Anything you hear is just speculation. All we can say is that we’re trading Clement and at least one other guy.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 28, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
That would make me verrry sad
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CLEMENT AND LAHAIR FOR LOWRIE, BUCHHOLZ AND LESTER
WOW JACK Z IS A GENIUS!!
I don't know how to stop.
Well since this is clearly out in the open and confirmed by non-Churchill sources...
I’m also supposed to love this trade FWIW.
But, yeah, here’s the lowdown as best as I can decipher:
It’s pretty clear Clement + at least one other minor-leaguer is involved.
Since it’s minor leaguers and not (as is known right now) anyone on the M’s MLB roster, it appears to be more of a “buy” move than a “sell” move.
Baker wouldn’t be surprised if Morrow’s involved.
The players we get in return should fit the mold of what Jack’s traded for thus far and it doesn’t sound likee rentals. I.E. younger guys with some MLB experience but under team control for at least a little while longer.
The rest of the details are pretty well concealed.
It’ll likely shock the hell out of all of us…
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 29, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Is there any confirmation as to who the other team might be? Is it really Boston and if not which contending team is really in need of a Jeff Clement?
Its harder to tell because Jeff Clement can not play so many positions.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Or not (m)any positions at all
Try not to take me too seriously
I don't see what position players Boston has that we would want that fit that mold
Unless it is Lowrie, but that doesn’t make sense for Boston. If it’s Boston, I’d almost certainly guess it’s pitching
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I know as much as y'all know...
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 29, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
No
There is no good idea of who the other team might be.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 29, 2009 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
It is definitely one of the other 29 MLB teams.
Unless you can trade with NPB teams now.
angels fan in seattle
HOLY SHIT YOU GUYS JUST GOT DARVISH
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, but how not selling are we?
It’s not like we’re bringing in a rent a player or something, right?
From the Churchill wagon
“I have heard it is Jeff Clement and Brandon Morrow for Scott Kazmir.”
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(Churchill)
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Agreed
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If he goes back to being good Kazmir his contract is aces.
I think it’s well within the realm of possibility that he does.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 29, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Also couldn't Safeco Field help him as well?
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
Yes.
Although the Mariners defense isn’t as good as Tampa’s
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 29, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Could it be pretty close if the M's got Escobar, hypthetically, and Beltre comes back?
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
Yeah but that's a massive hypothetical if Morrow and Clement are going to Tampa/Cle/Wherever
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 29, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
And I mean massive as in there is no way we get Escobar if Morrow and Clement are going to Tampa/Cle/Wherever
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 29, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully in that case Brignac would be the consolation.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
Seriously, it's one of the greatest laugh lines in the past 10 years of baseball.
I don't know how to stop.
I want to know!
I’m very curious.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Jim Duquette traded a young prospect named Scott Kazmir to the Rays for Victor Zambrano.
Zambrano had been terrible before, was terrible at the time, and would be even worse in the future. Kazmir was, of course, perceived even then to be the future star he would later become. But Duquette pulled the trigger in large part because the Mets’ pitching Rick Peterson famously assured him that “I can fix Zambrano in ten minutes.”
Thus was the worst trade in the last 30 years of Mets history commenced.
I don't know how to stop.
Keep in mind that we were laughed at for offering Freddy Garcia for Kazmir too
Freddy Garcia was Cy Young compared to Victor Zambrano
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HA!
Never, EVER, listen to coaches.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Im just complaining about the contract while I have a chance.
This deal would be amazing for the Rays.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
The Mets knew he was going to blow up in 2009
That’s why they traded Victor Fucking Zambrano for him
Suddenly they look smart
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Minyana is known for his intelligence.
Which is why Zduriencik chose him to make his first major trade with.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
What about Jim Duquette?
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Although Omar is the dumbest GM in baseball (non-Dayton division), that trade was done under the auspices of Jim Duquette.
I don't know how to stop.
His in-season moves last year were pretty damn sharp -- it seems he might have just needed McCourt to give him the monetary clampdown
And as dumb as many of his moves have been, it’s hard to argue with the team’s record over this season and the last.
I don't know how to stop.
The White Sox beat the Astros in the World Series
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 29, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I would submit that Kenny Williams is one of the more chronically underrated GMs in baseball.
I don't know how to stop.
He is sometimes good and sometimes bad.
He’s like a less extreme Sabean
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 29, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Saturday it was those guys for Kazmir + Brignac so I'm guessing this is outdated and misinterpreted info.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 29, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
That's what I'm hoping
That would be a really fucking stupid trade if we did that
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I wouldn't say "really fucking stupid"
it’s not indefensible. But for a Z move it would be pretty bad.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd barely consider it a good trade to do Morrow for Kazmir straight up
Throw in Clement and it’s absurdity
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Clements not having a bad year is he? I know he's inconsistent but this is nothing new.
And isn’t it common for hitters like a Jeff Clement to not truly blossom until their mid-to-late twenties? The high power/high strikeout guys?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
After 4 years (I think) in a major college, I expect the blooming to come quick.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
If we didn't sign Griffey, we would've seen Clement in the majors already this season and who knows what he may have been able to do.
I don’t think its fair to give up on him now.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Jeffrey too, but we've got enough first basemen.
He just cant catch. He literally can’t. It hurts the poor lad.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't do Rob Johnson any harm.
Fuck Anaheim.
by Eyeball Kid on Jul 29, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I think about of my posts are slagging off RJ. I'll try to hold off
but he makes it so damn to do so.
Fuck Anaheim.
by Eyeball Kid on Jul 29, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions
DHs are cheap and if he nets us a good player in return, see ya later
by seattlebruin on Jul 29, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
But it's so hard to find good ones!
Just ask everyone since Edgar!
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
In my opinion, there shouldn't be a guy whos is your 'real DH'
Just someone good at hitting that is blocked on the field by someone better. I know that’s a bit much to expect, but I hate the idea of keeping someone around JUST to pick up a bat.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I definitely wouldn't say that about Jeff Clement, because his bat hasn't been great.
But there are definitely players who are much more valuable when they only DH and are worth keeping around, ie David Ortiz, Jim Thome, etc.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions
But those are guys with A+ bats. Also, Liabilties in the field.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Morrow and Clement for Kazmir would be really, really, really, unbelievably fucking stupid
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 29, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
This just has to be based on perceived value.
Because the real value of Clement and Morrow is, IMO, pretty negligible.
I would bet good money that neither will ever amount to much of anything. Of course we should be able to get more for them than a Kaz who is breaking down and costs too much for only 1.4 years of team control.
I don't know how to stop.
It seems to me that it wasn't long ago we were all praising Morrows swinging strike rate as a reason to believe that once he can go 6 innings or more, he'll be a very good starter.
There’s still juice to be squeezed out of this lemon.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I like the notion of Kazmir when his name came after 'Reid Brignac and'
but alone? Fuck no.
Fuck Anaheim.
by Eyeball Kid on Jul 29, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
and... from Churchill again
“Actually guys, I believe the site has been fooled. I did not post the above comment, No. 40.
I have NOT heard that.
All I know is that Clement was traded, and at least one, possibly two or three other minor leaguers are involved and that it could be a three-way deal.
"
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I'm tired of this shit.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I just read that too
and breathed a huge sigh of relief.
Fuck Anaheim.
by Eyeball Kid on Jul 29, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Good then
Now let’s all settle down until tomorrow.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 29, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Gotta admit, this is pretty damn fun.
Even the trolling is amusing.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 29, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
This is a hacked comment.
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 29, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Hacked or one of those things where someone put
Jason A Churchili as the name with a capital “i”.
As long as the hacker doesn’t do anything else malicious, it’s kind of harmless. But I don’t really care for someone hacking Churchill’s account. That’s just not cool.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 29, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Problem should be mitigated now...
AFAIK his account hasn’t been hacked.
But yeah, as you can tell by how quickly that comment made it over here and exploded into discussion, it’s more than “harmless.”
In fact, it’s probably a criminal act, posing as Churchill when he’s a credentialed member of the media.
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 29, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I like how Churchill then says "There will not be any details until tomorrow. Go to sleep."
Just totally shuts everyone down.
by Coach Owens on Jul 28, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of trades
What is it about Erick Aybar that I don’t understand? Why would the Angels be so reluctant to trade Aybar, Saunders, Wood, and another player for Roy Halladay? Woods value has only declined over the past two years, and you upgrade from Joe Saunders to at least 1.5 seasons of Roy Halladay. So I’m assuming Aybar is the sticking point. Wouldn’t you want Roy Halladay though and just run away with the west again and possibly in 2010?
Sorry to bring all this up, damn trading deadline it drives me insane.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:40 PM PDT reply actions
Eyebrows, you don't have to get offended. I came from a point of ignorance on Erick Aybar already, you can just state why he's that good.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Or you could maybe just look up some stats.
And it’s not just about Aybar. It’s about marginal wins of Roy Halladay and team control and pre-arb years and a lot of things.
angels fan in seattle
Im just of the opinion that the proposed Angels deal that LA shut down was not as good as the proposed deal from Philly.
Roy Halladay is a special pitcher and I don’t see a future superstar in that group.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Wood can still pull it together.
And three young cheap players are definitely valuable assets, especially since Halladay won’t add that much more value to the Angels over the course of this year. Yes, there is another year as well – I know.
angels fan in seattle
I think the Angels have great prospects on the farm in order to get a Roy Halladay
I just don’t think they’re including any of them in a deal like this. And since Saunders, Wood and Aybar have already started their “service time” it doesn’t seem as sweet as a deal from Philly when many of them are still in the minors.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not Kenny Knows Baseball
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http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com
http://www.rightfieldbleachers.com
Do we even know for a fact that he's Kenny? He might just be complimenting a friend or something
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
You are exactly the third person to use the word exciting in this thread.
One was about the trade deadline being exciting, one was about this not being exciting.
So you are maybe the second person to say this.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 28, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
This isn't USSMariner
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Obviously
Asians aren’t creative. They do math.
Are you kidding.
They made the Prius.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
It only took 60 years to figure it all out.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
It took a lot longer than that
to realize the earth wasn’t flat soo…….
No, it's like in Men in Black.
They just sit on it and license the technologies one at a time to make the development cycle seem normal.
angels fan in seattle
It was a Corcomission
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http://www.rightfieldbleachers.com
by Jack Moore on Jul 28, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
That's a Corco-mission actually
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No, it's Corc-omission.
I don't know how to stop.
by esoteric on Jul 28, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, I've been Corcowned
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by Corco on Jul 28, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
He'd be even richer than Kos if that deal was worked out on SBNation.
We’d make sure of that. Corco too.
I don't know how to stop.
Let's speculate as to the deal
I say he goes to Philly with Washburn for Rollins, Drabek, and Myeers
It would be great because Myers fills that gap that Julio Mateo has left in our franchise's wife-beating portfolio.
I don't know how to stop.
by esoteric on Jul 29, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Or you can just reunite Washburn with his best buddy
John “Double Chin and Mole” Lackey!
Carlos Silvelite
Clement and Lahair for Wilson and Snell
Oh, wait, you weren’t serious?
...and now I'm here
I really hope this trade is for pitching
Because God knows we need starters
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As stupid as it sounds, this stolen moment in time where we KNOW Clement is gonebabygone, but still don't know what's coming back, is pretty exciting.
I suppose that’s all we have left to cling onto this season.
I will note that the goddamned motherfucking Angels came back from behind to win yet again tonight.
I don't know how to stop.
You put the coin in, and pulled the lever
now you just gotta hope for those three fucking cherries.
angels fan in seattle
I know that Clement is getting to be too old to be a prospect anymore. I know that he has struggled to hit at the major league level.
But I still cant give up hope and I pray we really get something back for him. Maybe the Nats will have mercy on us for that draft and we’ll get Ryan Zimmerman. Or the Rockies will have mercy and we’ll get Troy Tulowitzki. Or the Brewers will have…. oh this would take forever.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Friendly service reminder...
In case people are trying to regurgitate a comment left at ProspectInsider as something Jason said, it’s not true.
Someone created a bogus username that on screen LOOKS like Jason’s, but it isn’t. The comment “I’m hearing Morrow + Clement for Kazmir” comes from “Jason Churchili” NOT Jason Churchill…
Yeah, it fooled me, too…
This signature space for rent.
Yep.
News travels fast on the intertubes, so fortunately I happened to be paying real close attention to the page and have admin privileges, so I tracked it down quickly…
We’re working to make sure it doesn’t happen again…
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 29, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Looks like he's still posting there and confusing people
I don’t envy you.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
hee hee hee
I don’t know who did that, but good show. That got everybody.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 29, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats kind of annoying.
Some people honestly do the weirdest things with their time.
I was trying to sleep for the past hour but had to come back and get my Jeff Clement rumor fix.
by Pessimistic Optimist on Jul 29, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh c'mon.
It was a perfect troll. It had us all bunched up in our anxieties.
The fear of not knowing.
The fear that things really haven’t changed, and that even Jack Z might fuck up.
The fear of really being buyers instead of being sellers and buyers at the same time.
I nearly crapped my pants when I read it. It played to every single gut wrenching feeling we’ve been having since we heard Jeff was taken out of the game. It worked magic.
Now laugh at it. Laugh at yourself for being spooked. It’s fun. Break the tension and relax.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 29, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions
All good points and I mostly agree.
But on the other hand, look at the speed with which the Fake Churchill’s “scoop” has traveled. Shit like that can get out of hand quickly.
I don't know how to stop.
Yeah. I know.
But that’s part of where we need to laugh at ourselves. Who spread it around? We did. We’re so information hungry that we wanted to know and wanted to tell everybody else as fast as possible. In the end, it’s all bogus, so does it really end up hurting anybody?
I think what makes it work so much better than the MLBTraderumor.com fucker posting on Jed Lowrie is that this one was at least somewhat close to believable initially. We were ready and willing to possibly accept that we’d screwed up. Thankfully, we started questioning it soon afterward. Our logical minds won out in the end.
Still, yeah, it’s kind of mean. Fun, but mean. And if it was really Jason’s account hacked, well that just sucks.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 29, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Latest Little Rumor on Prospect Insider...
Clement and Morrow to Cleveland, Lee to Tampa, Kazmir and Brignac to Seattle.
The only part I can’t get my head around is what’s in it for Cleveland? They seem to know better than that.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:41 AM PDT reply actions
This isn't a new rumor at all.
It’s been around since early Saturday morning and thought to be largely dead by Saturday night.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 29, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Hasn't that rumour been around for a while now?
Fuck Anaheim.
by Eyeball Kid on Jul 29, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions
It still makes sense balance-wise, as well as fitting within the "5 player" rubric.
Lee AND Martinez to Tampa was originally part of this rumor, and that just didn’t make any sense as the two of them were far too much to give up for the return of Clement and Morrow, no matter how much $$$ or low-level prospects were kicked in.
Obviously, it’s all speculation, but I think this could be the one. I’d LIKE it to be the one, at least.
I don't know how to stop.
I guess theres no chance that Brignac was pulled mid-game?
That would make this a lot easier.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
If Martinez were included the Rays would be giving them Davis and likely moving Pena.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 29, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Even with Wade Davis...
Martinez AND Lee for Davis, Morrow, and Clement? I would hope they’d get a better package than that. That’s not exaclty Sizemore, Lee, Philips.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not, but teams don't make those trades anymore.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 29, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
The joke here is too easy.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Z's trade with the Mets was a fleecing.
But there was more than one player given up.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
The Mets probably aren't too broken up about it honestly.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions
That's only because the Mets are currently broken.
The whole Bernazard/Minaya/Rubin debacle has been so awesome I WANT TO DIP MY BALLS IN IT.
I don't know how to stop.
Mark Texiera, Erik Bedard...
Those were only for ONE player. We’re talking about the reigning Cy Young (and you can make of that what you want, I know that’s what the Indians are selling) and Victor Martinez.. they should be able to get at least 3 superb prospects in my opinion and Morrow and Clement have lost that pedigree. Maybe Wade Davis, Brandon Morrow, and that outfielder prospect on TB whose name just slipped my mind.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions
but cleveland LIKES our prospects.
They have half a team from us already
by Whoopetydoo on Jul 29, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
That's it, I'm catching the next Pimpmobile out of here.
Hopefully something will have happened in the next six hours or so.
angels fan in seattle
Bite! My! Shiny! Metal! Dafodil!
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 29, 2009 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I find it interesting that nobody has really expressed remorse or sadness that he's 99% gone.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm just sad he never really got a chance.
I mean we have Rob Fucking Johnson doing the catching up here.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 29, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Jeff Clement doesn't have knees?!
Holy shit I’m glad we got rid of him before other GM’s noticed.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Esoteric, sorry to go off-topic but I only have to ask this once..
does your name have anything to do with the rapper Esoteric?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Not in the slightest.
While I love the fuck out of music, I can’t stand hip-hop. It’s the only major genre I can’t get int in any way.
I don't know how to stop.
Ha, okay.
I’m not even the biggest rap fan, but I know a guy who is touring with him so I had to ask.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions
You try Lupe?
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Look, my favorite band of all time is GENESIS -- progressive-era Genesis.
With Pavement and Radiohead heading up my list of modern acts. You have no idea how unbelievably far away I am from hip-hop, in terms of my musical aesthetic.
I don't know how to stop.
Pearl Jam has to be mine.
Not just because of Ten, because of their versatility and staying power afterwards. In fact, Ten isn’t even my favorite album.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
You consider Pavement to be modern?
by I Lick Squirrels on Jul 29, 2009 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Which should tell you just how disaffected I am with music of the last decade.
Seriously though, Pavement is and will remain eternally fresh for me….musical greatness like theirs comes along only once every ten years or so.
But we are veering off-topic here.
I don't know how to stop.
Whopsie.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Radiohead is my third favorite artist of all time. Lupe Fiasco is second.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude, this will change your opinion on hiphop
here. Its a Swedish Hip Hop/swing band. I hate hip hop too, but I can’t get enough of this.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
That's some pretty good shit.
Though I’ll admit the language barrier doesn’t cross over as well in rap, in my opinion. and my favorite band of all-time is German, which I don’t speak either.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I would say that I wish I knew what they are saying.
But Ebonics is also a language of its own, so I am not too bothered. I just enjoyed the emceeing and the swing music.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
I couldn't really care less.
I’m more interested in the returns than the costs… my have my thoughts changed since the end of the Bavasi era.
it's simply because the mariners have sucked my emotion for him away
I’ve been hearing about Clement forever, but he’s never panned out and has been jerked all over the place. I’m sad he didn’t make it here, but that sadness has been experienced already with him not being a part of the major league team. Clement leaving isn’t really sad because I’ve said goodbye to him already.
He's pretty much been my favorite prospect since we drafted him
That being said, the good of the team comes before my personal attachments.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Graham has Doyle, Clement, and Cedeno as far as Mariners jerseys go though.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Jul 29, 2009 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions
What crappy luck with jerseys.
I don’t see why he doesn’t just by a MacAree custom jersey.
I would buy my own customer jersey, but I can just wait until Adam Moore makes the big league squad.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
If he bought a MacAree jersey the FO would somehow find a way to trade his analytical skills to the Padres.
You know it would happen.
I don't know how to stop.
Tell me something about this guy.
Namely, why I would be bothered to see him go?
I don't know how to stop.
Here ya go.
Drafted in the third (I believe) round of the 2008 draft. Good pitcher, would be sad to loose him.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 29, 2009 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
He's been doing really well this year.
But we seem to have a lot of guys like him in the lower minors.
by Mariner John on Jul 29, 2009 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Even still, he's not a non-prospect throw-in.
So if he’s going too, the return better be sweet.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say non-prospect.
He’s not a Quiroz or anything. The man does have a future.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 29, 2009 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say non-prospect either, I think he's got potential to pitch in the majors. And as far as I'm concerned, even making it to the majors makes you a big deal.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I read your comment wrong.
I apologize. I read it as he WAS a non-prospect.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 29, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Lorin is better, and I guess Cortes is a decent replacement
But I am not thrilled to see him go. Now that is without knowing the return. I may do back flips I don’t know yet.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 29, 2009 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'd rather give someone else up.
But lower minors starters isn’t exactly something we have a dearth of.
by Mariner John on Jul 29, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions
And thank god for that
it seems like forever since we’ve had a good higher-level pitching prospect. Hopefully at least one or two of them will become legitimate prospects.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Some of the nicer things about Pribanic
He has only given up one homer run in 87.0 innings, and he get nearly 3 ground balls for every fly ball. Not sure about his velocity or anything like that, but nice peripherals.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 29, 2009 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Pitching well
didn’t have fantastic upside though. On the Future Forty they had him as a potential 1.50 WAR player. Seems like a decent complimentary piece. Let’s hope we’re getting something good.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions
The next peson who calls Rob Johnson a bad baseball player will lose my respect.
I have just accepted (with the help of my mariner bias) that Rob Johnson is just as good as Jeff Clement. And that’s considering his health, and uncanny ability to make good pitchers love pitching to him.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
I don't know if you noticed.
But his CERA went up in the past few days.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
No joke. I like him. Those two reasons arent really my reasons, but more like selling points for myself.
cERA can suck my dick.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Who is this Cera? Can I get her number?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions
He played "George Michael" on the cult TV show Arrested Development.
He’s also been in some shitty movies playing essentially the same character.
I don't know how to stop.
The best awkward actor of our lifetime.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Nothing's going to happen tonight, is it?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I bet he is as hot as the rest of us right about now.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
I'm gonna set my alarm for 8 AM just so I'm up in time when it becomes official.
And so I can get a few things done before the heat comes back.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
If only he had a twitter so we could know.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 29, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I could imagine his Tweeting
GMZMan Too Hot to Sleep!
about 30 minutes ago from TweetDeck
GMZMan @TheeCashMan, @Gillickismymentor, @Melvsterenjoyshisbrew Hey dudes, I totally was kidding, Washburn is available for the right price!
About 15 hours ago from TweetDeck
GMZMan @Hyphen18 Good game buddy, you’ll get’em next time.
about 4 days ago from web
GMZMan @Melvsterenjoyshisbrew DUDE! I have to take you to Pyramid when you come to town! The beer here is so much better!
GMZMan @MooretoLoveinKC Treat Yuni well! Let us know when you are in need for a catcher or 2nd baseman, I would be glad to help!
about 2 weeks ago from web
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
by Fin on Jul 29, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
It seems as though you don't pull a guy unless a deal is done.
So what the hell happened? I give this 50/50 odds of being a way to fuck with the fans.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Speaking prospect wise, I saw someone in the M's Organization who had 72 K's and 3 BB's.
Who was that? Did anyone see that and sorry if this violates something?
Erasmis Ramirez? Is that his name?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions
The last time I got excited about a trade...
I had a nightmare that we unloaded our farm system for Erik Bedard. Good thing it was only a dream.
Carlos Silvelite
Damn right it fucking hurts
Can you believe that those lucky Baltimore fans are going to get plush oriole toys tomorrow? What a fantastic promotion! And all we get are stinkin’ Bobbleheads.
Carlos Silvelite
New Clement thread
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/7/29/967340/clement-thread-2
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/7/29/967340/clement-thread-2
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/7/29/967340/clement-thread-2
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/7/29/967340/clement-thread-2
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/7/29/967340/clement-thread-2
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 29, 2009 1:36 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

















