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As most of you know, Jeff Clement was pulled from Tacoma's game today in the 3rd inning after hitting a double in the first. It does not appear to be injury or sickness related per Divish. Knock yourselves out. Updates as available.

My thought is that it's either a trade or a callup and we won't find out which until Wednesday. Fun!

My first update is that Wakamatsu doesn't have a damn clue. Which probably lessens the likelihood of a callup.

Second update: He's gone. Clement is gone. We just don't know the return.

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USSM is broken.

Something must be happening.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 28, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh.

I got the message the first time. Maybe it just took a while to load.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 28, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they were lying.

The rumor was Clement, Washburn, and Lowe for Lowrie. I think it’s made-up.

by AtomicGarden on Jul 28, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a typo

Jeffie has been traded for a bottle of Lowry’s salt.

by OlSalty on Jul 28, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow

F%#& Billy Beane. Actually... I kinda like Holliday

by vivaelpujols on Jul 28, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Darn it.

I come to LL and on the front page I see “Clement Traded.”

My heart literally skipped a beat, and then I re-read the headline.

by Snowman1025 on Jul 28, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Same here

Then I read it as “CLEMENT THREAT!”

Carlos Silvelite

by OceanBird on Jul 28, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

truth, going from the

mariners win to watching the indians attempt a comeback to trade rumor blog surfing makes for a vicious cycle at 1:30 am with work in 8 hours

by Diatribe on Jul 28, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you sleep, you get to wake up and find out what happened immediately

instead of sitting around waiting for an announcement.

That’s my plan at least.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 28, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

But then it's such a let down when you log straight on to Lookout Landing

and see that “Clement Thread” is still at the top of the page.

by levnclf on Jul 28, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

So?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 28, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I leave the country in 12 hours for a three-week trip to Ethiopia.

I feel your pain. If this story doesn’t break in the next 8 hours, I will not know until mid-August.

by themoose on Jul 28, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

No access to the internet at all?

That must be a horrible position to be in.

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by Fin on Jul 28, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing. Nada.

Potentially an internet cafe after reaching Addis, and one when leaving on the 16th. Nothing in between. We’re staying out in a small town in the north.

by themoose on Jul 28, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the bright side,

If we have a miracle August, I will come home to something wonderful.

by themoose on Jul 28, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you contact the US Embassy in Addis

it’s a possibility that they’ll hook you up with some internet access. We have a library here with a couple of terminals that we’ve let wayward Americans use from time to time.

by coolguyrob on Jul 28, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

So I've been trying to follow this but I think I've lost track of Clement's status over the last month or so.

Is he still physically capable of catching? Has he returned to catching recently?

Sorry for being off the ball with this.

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by Jack Moore on Jul 28, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions  

...

grission?

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jul 28, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey, felix, throw a fastball

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jul 28, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

this was a better comeback last year

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jul 28, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

damn it

King of the bling come to lay down the evidence//Not George Bush, L-Millz be da president

by Sam Page on Jul 28, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Trade Rumor Sites Are Like Weathermen

Mostly wrong but we still keep surfing to them.

I should start one up on the side.

Clement and Washburn to Minnesota for Nick Punto and R.A. Dickey

by Tony S on Jul 28, 2009 10:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I wouldn't start one of those sites.

It takes a shitload of work to be that wrong all the time.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jul 28, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wakamatsu weighs in on Clement rumors...

Here’s what manager Don Wakamatsu said: “I just found out. I’m sitting here trying to get out of a four-game losing streak. If anything happens, I trust our organization in Jack Zduriencik’s hands. I don’t know any details beyond he was pulled,”

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2009555294_tacomas_jeff_clement_pinch-hit.html

by manyoso on Jul 28, 2009 10:36 PM PDT reply actions  

You would think he would get word if Clement was being called up..

Wish we didn’t have to wait until tomorrow morning to find out – but yeah, it’s looking like we are.

by seattlesundevil on Jul 28, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Washburn brings back any value.

Then Armstrong will come out looking like a hero.

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by Fin on Jul 28, 2009 10:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Well wouldn't that be ideal.

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by Fin on Jul 28, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought it was Clement to the Royals

for Yuni and Willie … I hear the M’s are in need of some options at SS

by manifestus on Jul 28, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does anyone have Channel 179 on comcast?

I didn’t realize you could watch the DJs from KJR on there.

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by Fin on Jul 28, 2009 10:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Only Softy.

of all the guys to put on tv …

by msb on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't really listen to KJR that much.

Is he not that good of a DJ?

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by Fin on Jul 28, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think a news journalist like that would obviously know a lot, but I don't think he'd know it necessarily a lot more than a person who watches Brian Williams report the news everyday.

Okay, BW would know more than the viewers, but my point is, it doesn’t make him a genius, he got the job for his reporting skills, not his knowledge is my main argument. Do we expect Stuart Scott to know a lot about ANYTHING? I really hope not.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, he does read a teleprompter.

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by Fin on Jul 28, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, I don't think people in journalism are the smartest people.

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by Fin on Jul 28, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about me? I'm a double in journalism and broadcasting?

I guess that means periods of brilliance offset by utter retardation?

by SethGrandpa on Jul 28, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry if a struck a chord there.

I said that without really thinking how I would offend someone. But from what I’ve heard journalism is a pretty bullshit major. But then again, business also doesn’t seem to be as rigorous as computer science or engineering.

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by Fin on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I was kidding around, you've VERY justified in saying that.

I really don’t do anything. My friends who are engineers do more homework in a week than I do in a semester and that is 0% exaggeration.

by SethGrandpa on Jul 29, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

I have heard that in communications you don’t even have to write papers. That would be so nice.

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by Fin on Jul 29, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have to disagree.

I remember there was one guy in the journalism side of the class out of about 15 or 20 when I was graduating and everyone was sure he’d be the one to make it. Because he was smart? No. Because he had a voice like Stone Philips. It’s all about how you look and sound and are able to read a teleprompter.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

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I remember there was one guy in the journalism side of the class out of about 15 or 20 when I was graduating and everyone was sure he’d be the one to make it.

Wow.

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 28, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow what?

Do you want me to tell you how it works? You think I went to a small school with an unknown school of journalism?

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Knot, even.

YEAH! I got your back, ac.

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by Eyebrows on Jul 28, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not like I'm looking at someone who goes 10-for-20 to start the season and believe he's going to hit .500.

I was just giving an opinion based on my own experiences from going to a big journalism school and explaining that the kid that stood out the most was not the smartest, just looked and sounded the most like a real news anchor. NBC would never hire a really really smart ugly person over one who looked and sounded great but was an idiot. They do have writers.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

How does what I say come off as "my opinions are true and final" anymore than anyone elses?

If anything, I’ve mostly come off as “sorry if this sounds ignorant but…”

IM SO SORRY I SAID SOMETHING BAD ABOUT ERICK AYBAR! Please forgive me.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah. If you plan to hang around here, you might need

to develop a thicker skin. Everybody else has. Well, I haven’t needed to because everybody loves me and I’m better.

by Liebkartoffel on Jul 28, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

How the hell should I know?

I just know what the opinions of the people in the class were. And while I prepare for the hurling of insults I’ll just say that I went to WSU.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I think its fair to say that its okay to disagree and it also doesn't necessarily make my opinion false.

It really is just my opinion based on my experiences and if you asked most of the people I went to school with, they would agree. But maybe it was just a bad year at Murrow.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

So did I. I was an editor at the Evergreen for four years.

In a general sense, it’s true, the broadcast majors tended to be the more vain people who were less interested in actual journalism. But I still knew a lot of people in the broadcast program who were dedicated to doing great work and just thought broadcast was a better medium for their careers. And that medium tends to require more . . . non-journalistic values, if you will.

Five years later, it’s looking like they might have been wise, as furious as it makes me to say that.

I get where you’re going. And I tend to have a pretty negative outlook toward broadcast journalism, trust me. But there are still a lot of good people there. The world just forced them into a medium that . . . OK I’m rambling. Go Cougs!

by Teej on Jul 29, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

First off, Go Cougs

Secondly, I just found that most of the people that truly cared about journalism, majored in Production or Print Journalism. But the Broadcast Journalism majors reminded me a lot of the people who I see everyday in my new town. That would be Los Angeles and those people would be Actors. They have a look and they want to use it to their advantage and it’s rarely because they are the most amazing actors of all-time.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

And also

Its not that I think everyone in journalism, whether it be on TV or Radio is an idiot. I just think it’s wrong for so many to people believe that because you are on TV or Radio that makes you smart on the subject. I should know, for most of my life, I thought this to be true. There are very few people on ESPN left that I trust.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha

That Eddie Guardado/Tim Leyland incident was pretty funny.

by Pessimistic Optimist on Jul 28, 2009 10:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Eddie Guardado..

..Threw behind the batter and Jim Leyland started mouthing off to him and Eddie looked at him and started yelling and making that “yap yap yap” hand gesture.

by Pessimistic Optimist on Jul 28, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Watching Buehrle tonight, _again_,

Watching Ichiro get the walk off,
Watching the team celebrate and the fans at Safeco get into it,
Watching the rumors swirl as trade deadline approaches,
Watching as everyone sits and waits to unwrap what Z has in store for us,
Man, I love baseball! And we’re not even in contention anymore!

by manyoso on Jul 28, 2009 10:50 PM PDT reply actions  

So since we've got a while

Why is Escobar rated so much higher as a prospect than Brignac? I understand Escobar is an elite defender while Brignac is merely very good. Escobar is a year younger, but their offensive statistics are similar. Is it simply Escobar’s stolen base potential that puts him over the top? Or do scouts just see something in his offensive development that will make him a star?

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 28, 2009 10:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Hispanic, but let's not split hairs.

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by Jack Moore on Jul 28, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would gladly take either.

Brignac probably has the offensive edge, but let’s not overlook how important a good defender at shortstop can be. Escobar gives me a boner.

by Teej on Jul 28, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nomar, A-Rod, and Jeter all seemed to change the national perception of what a shortstop is supposed to be offensively.

Before that, it seems that shortstop and offense never went in the same sentence, you took what you could get. And guys like Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel are hall of famers for a reason.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right about the time Cal Ripken came up

I’ve always heard his name come up as the prototype big SS, when this kind of conversation comes around. He’s really tall. And he has really dreamy blue eyes.

by Kermit. on Jul 28, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Going over their FanGraphs and Cube stats and some BA reports, Alcides Escobar's ceiling seems to be similar to Yunel Escobar's.

On another note, holy crap I can’t believe the Braves ever even let rumors swirl that they were trading Yunel Escobar earlier this month (Bobby Cox fed up with his head-case-ness, etc.). That would’ve been absolutely insane.

by Decatur on Jul 28, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

New Info: "I don't think we're selling, I think we're going out to get somebody."

From Divish, However, I talked with a player, who seemed pretty certain that a deal would be announced tomorrow. And that player, said, “I don’t think we’re selling, I think we’re going out to get somebody.”

http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/mariners/2009/07/28/jeff_clement_removed_from_rainiers_game_

by manyoso on Jul 28, 2009 11:01 PM PDT reply actions  

A player probably thinks

“We’re giving up a prospect, therefore, we must not be selling.”

That being said, I’d be surprised if this isn’t a package deal.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 28, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Why trade just Clement unless it was a strictly need-for-need type swap but you’d still be expecting to get a young shortstop or pitcher maybe with lots of club control remaining. But not for a major league vet. It would make more sense if he was to sweeten a deal on a return for Washburn.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

So uh Jarrod Washburn is still a Mariner.

You got slurved!

The M's are why the suicide rates are so high in the PNW and Japan.

by Slurvey on Jul 28, 2009 11:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Huh?

I’d hold on to Washburn as long as possible. Let Lee and Halladay get traded and all of a sudden he becomes the “jewel”.

by TheTank123 on Jul 28, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this.

Also, you have to talk to many teams, and Z only recently decided to shop him. It could take a few days to even get all the offers on the table.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 28, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

No...

just no. Diamonds and cubic zirconias are effectively unlimited. They are expensive because they are rare, yes, but you can always find another one. Not so with starting pitching.

by TheTank123 on Jul 28, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not true.

People can make a lot of babies.

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by Eyebrows on Jul 28, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

No...

just no. There are 6 billion people in this world, and every one can be a starting pitcher if you don’t care about the quality of their pitches.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jul 28, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

But you do care...

I cant even tell if youre serious or not.

by TheTank123 on Jul 28, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or you could think for two seconds before posting

That would help answer about 3/4ths of your questions

by manifestus on Jul 28, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clement for Pujols, straight up.

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by Jack Moore on Jul 28, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's no way the Cardinals make that trade

Pujols is the face of the franchise and they like Molina too much

by Poochie on Jul 28, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, yeah, I forgot about Molina being there.

It’s probably Clement for Fielder.

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by Jack Moore on Jul 28, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

So wait a minute

is everybody assuming that a deal was worked out during the first three innings or the Rainiers’ game? Because if there’s a nearly agreed upon deal, Clement does not need to start, god knows there are enough guys ready to take his place. Or did the Phillies, Red Sox, Angels, Rangers and Tigers have a scout at the game and needed to see him hit a double?

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Probably not worked out

but if a deal was being seriously discussed, I’d pull the guy from the game to make sure he doesn’t hurt himself again.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 28, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get how you can be an LAA fan and hang out in the gamethreads

but the fact that you’re in this thread as long as you apparently have been makes you signature hilarious

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Laughing out loud

it’s not chatspeak if I know how to spell laughing, right?

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

It isn't a board.

This is the comment section of a blog.

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 28, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude...

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bedard is 8 inches of limp dick.

Impressive as hell, but it’s limp.

by Kermit. on Jul 28, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Because there isn't enough speculation already

I believe I just heard ESPN tease their commercial break with Lowrie for 3 Mariners.

Don’t hate me when I’m horribley wrong please.

by Nate Dogg on Jul 28, 2009 11:24 PM PDT reply actions  

I just never saw much I liked in Jed Lowrie.

We’ve toiled through Jeff Clement long enough to see him succeed in Boston.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I guess if you don't like Jed Lowrie that's good enough.

Hey guys, Kenny Knows Sports from LookoutLanding doesn’t like Jed Lowrie. I know it’s a crazy good deal for us, we’re only giving up Shawn Kelley, but fuck it, call the deal off.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 28, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Throws the ball fast

Throws the ball over the plate
Throws the ball fast and over the plate in a way that batters don’t like

by seattlebruin on Jul 28, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm.

1. Knows how to throw ball.
1a. Uses arm to throw ball rather than head or other extremity.
2. Throws regulation baseball.
3. Throws laterally, rather than straight up or straight down.
3a. Throws in the general vicinity of the batter, rather than at fans/third base ump/etc.

Pitching has many underrated characteristics.

by Liebkartoffel on Jul 28, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Pics or didn't happen.

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by Fin on Jul 28, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does that make any sense at all?

They need a shortstop as well, I thought.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

CHURCHILL

says Clement was traded in an approximately five-player deal, and it doesn’t look like Jack Z is selling.

We’ll see…

by tait644 on Jul 28, 2009 11:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Approximately?

I wonder where he gets this number from. Did someone tell him it was between 4 and 6 players?

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's my word.

He says “as many as” five players.

by tait644 on Jul 28, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's four players

a torso, one arm and two legs but both are left. Head tbnl.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 28, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

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Rule of thumb,

if Churchill reports/relays/talks/whatever about it, leave it on his site.

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by Aaron Campeau on Jul 28, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is one instance where I'd tend to trust his source

He may report every little piece of crap his source rumors to happen, but at this time we have other information to support his claim, so his source may very well be correct

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by Corco on Jul 28, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let me make one thing clear:

Outside of Clement and one other Mariner minor league who you will probably not miss, nobody has any names right now. Nobody. Anything you hear is just speculation. All we can say is that we’re trading Clement and at least one other guy.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 28, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well since this is clearly out in the open and confirmed by non-Churchill sources...

I’m also supposed to love this trade FWIW.

But, yeah, here’s the lowdown as best as I can decipher:

It’s pretty clear Clement + at least one other minor-leaguer is involved.
Since it’s minor leaguers and not (as is known right now) anyone on the M’s MLB roster, it appears to be more of a “buy” move than a “sell” move.
Baker wouldn’t be surprised if Morrow’s involved.
The players we get in return should fit the mold of what Jack’s traded for thus far and it doesn’t sound likee rentals. I.E. younger guys with some MLB experience but under team control for at least a little while longer.

The rest of the details are pretty well concealed.

It’ll likely shock the hell out of all of us…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jul 29, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Graham would tell you otherwise.

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by Fin on Jul 29, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, but how not selling are we?

It’s not like we’re bringing in a rent a player or something, right?

by DAMellen on Jul 28, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

From the Churchill wagon

“I have heard it is Jeff Clement and Brandon Morrow for Scott Kazmir.”

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by Corco on Jul 29, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wagon?

I don't know how to stop.

by esoteric on Jul 29, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

(Churchill)

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by Corco on Jul 29, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by Corco on Jul 29, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

If he goes back to being good Kazmir his contract is aces.

I think it’s well within the realm of possibility that he does.

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 29, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also couldn't Safeco Field help him as well?

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by Fin on Jul 29, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Although the Mariners defense isn’t as good as Tampa’s

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 29, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

And Bedard is fixed!

And Griffey hits like 50 bombs.

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by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

That helps their defense?

Formerly Mariners124M... Username was sorta bland, so I'm changin it up

by BQueezy on Jul 29, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Spaced. I glanced at the “pretty close” and assumed the discussion was about the Ms possibly getting back into competing for the AL West.

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by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I want to know!

I’m very curious.

The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!

by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jim Duquette traded a young prospect named Scott Kazmir to the Rays for Victor Zambrano.

Zambrano had been terrible before, was terrible at the time, and would be even worse in the future. Kazmir was, of course, perceived even then to be the future star he would later become. But Duquette pulled the trigger in large part because the Mets’ pitching Rick Peterson famously assured him that “I can fix Zambrano in ten minutes.”

Thus was the worst trade in the last 30 years of Mets history commenced.

I don't know how to stop.

by esoteric on Jul 29, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind that we were laughed at for offering Freddy Garcia for Kazmir too

Freddy Garcia was Cy Young compared to Victor Zambrano

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by Corco on Jul 29, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

HA!

Never, EVER, listen to coaches.

The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!

by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Mets knew he was going to blow up in 2009

That’s why they traded Victor Fucking Zambrano for him

Suddenly they look smart

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by Corco on Jul 29, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm hoping

That would be a really fucking stupid trade if we did that

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by Corco on Jul 29, 2009 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say "really fucking stupid"

it’s not indefensible. But for a Z move it would be pretty bad.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd barely consider it a good trade to do Morrow for Kazmir straight up

Throw in Clement and it’s absurdity

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by Corco on Jul 29, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Clements not having a bad year is he? I know he's inconsistent but this is nothing new.

And isn’t it common for hitters like a Jeff Clement to not truly blossom until their mid-to-late twenties? The high power/high strikeout guys?

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like Jeffrey too, but we've got enough first basemen.

He just cant catch. He literally can’t. It hurts the poor lad.

The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!

by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

and... from Churchill again

“Actually guys, I believe the site has been fooled. I did not post the above comment, No. 40.

I have NOT heard that.

All I know is that Clement was traded, and at least one, possibly two or three other minor leaguers are involved and that it could be a three-way deal.
"

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by Corco on Jul 29, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just read that too

and breathed a huge sigh of relief.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Jul 29, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good then

Now let’s all settle down until tomorrow.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 29, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gotta admit, this is pretty damn fun.

Even the trolling is amusing.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 29, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hacked or one of those things where someone put

Jason A Churchili as the name with a capital “i”.

As long as the hacker doesn’t do anything else malicious, it’s kind of harmless. But I don’t really care for someone hacking Churchill’s account. That’s just not cool.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 29, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Problem should be mitigated now...

AFAIK his account hasn’t been hacked.

But yeah, as you can tell by how quickly that comment made it over here and exploded into discussion, it’s more than “harmless.”

In fact, it’s probably a criminal act, posing as Churchill when he’s a credentialed member of the media.

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jul 29, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of trades

What is it about Erick Aybar that I don’t understand? Why would the Angels be so reluctant to trade Aybar, Saunders, Wood, and another player for Roy Halladay? Woods value has only declined over the past two years, and you upgrade from Joe Saunders to at least 1.5 seasons of Roy Halladay. So I’m assuming Aybar is the sticking point. Wouldn’t you want Roy Halladay though and just run away with the west again and possibly in 2010?

Sorry to bring all this up, damn trading deadline it drives me insane.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 28, 2009 11:40 PM PDT reply actions  

GOD

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 28, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or you could maybe just look up some stats.

And it’s not just about Aybar. It’s about marginal wins of Roy Halladay and team control and pre-arb years and a lot of things.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 28, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wood can still pull it together.

And three young cheap players are definitely valuable assets, especially since Halladay won’t add that much more value to the Angels over the course of this year. Yes, there is another year as well – I know.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 28, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

This too, baffles me

I’d much rather take Boston’s or Philly’s packages.

by tait644 on Jul 28, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are exactly the third person to use the word exciting in this thread.

One was about the trade deadline being exciting, one was about this not being exciting.

So you are maybe the second person to say this.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 28, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

This isn't USSMariner

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by Corco on Jul 28, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously

Asians aren’t creative. They do math.

by TheTank123 on Jul 28, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding.

They made the Prius.

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by Fin on Jul 28, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

It only took 60 years to figure it all out.

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by Fin on Jul 28, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

It took a lot longer than that

to realize the earth wasn’t flat soo…….

by TheTank123 on Jul 28, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, it's like in Men in Black.

They just sit on it and license the technologies one at a time to make the development cycle seem normal.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 28, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really hope this trade is for pitching

Because God knows we need starters

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by Corco on Jul 29, 2009 12:14 AM PDT reply actions  

As stupid as it sounds, this stolen moment in time where we KNOW Clement is gonebabygone, but still don't know what's coming back, is pretty exciting.

I suppose that’s all we have left to cling onto this season.

I will note that the goddamned motherfucking Angels came back from behind to win yet again tonight.

I don't know how to stop.

by esoteric on Jul 29, 2009 12:16 AM PDT reply actions  

You put the coin in, and pulled the lever

now you just gotta hope for those three fucking cherries.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2009 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know that Clement is getting to be too old to be a prospect anymore. I know that he has struggled to hit at the major league level.

But I still cant give up hope and I pray we really get something back for him. Maybe the Nats will have mercy on us for that draft and we’ll get Ryan Zimmerman. Or the Rockies will have mercy and we’ll get Troy Tulowitzki. Or the Brewers will have…. oh this would take forever.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Friendly service reminder...

In case people are trying to regurgitate a comment left at ProspectInsider as something Jason said, it’s not true.

Someone created a bogus username that on screen LOOKS like Jason’s, but it isn’t. The comment “I’m hearing Morrow + Clement for Kazmir” comes from “Jason Churchili” NOT Jason Churchill…

Yeah, it fooled me, too…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jul 29, 2009 12:33 AM PDT reply actions  

No no.

There was a time that SBN allowed a space as an initial character. So someone created the screenname [space]Jeff

Hahah spaceJeff. I am tired.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

News travels fast on the intertubes, so fortunately I happened to be paying real close attention to the page and have admin privileges, so I tracked it down quickly…

We’re working to make sure it doesn’t happen again…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jul 29, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

hee hee hee

I don’t know who did that, but good show. That got everybody.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 29, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thats kind of annoying.

Some people honestly do the weirdest things with their time.

I was trying to sleep for the past hour but had to come back and get my Jeff Clement rumor fix.

by Pessimistic Optimist on Jul 29, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh c'mon.

It was a perfect troll. It had us all bunched up in our anxieties.

The fear of not knowing.
The fear that things really haven’t changed, and that even Jack Z might fuck up.
The fear of really being buyers instead of being sellers and buyers at the same time.

I nearly crapped my pants when I read it. It played to every single gut wrenching feeling we’ve been having since we heard Jeff was taken out of the game. It worked magic.

Now laugh at it. Laugh at yourself for being spooked. It’s fun. Break the tension and relax.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 29, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

All good points and I mostly agree.

But on the other hand, look at the speed with which the Fake Churchill’s “scoop” has traveled. Shit like that can get out of hand quickly.

I don't know how to stop.

by esoteric on Jul 29, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I know.

But that’s part of where we need to laugh at ourselves. Who spread it around? We did. We’re so information hungry that we wanted to know and wanted to tell everybody else as fast as possible. In the end, it’s all bogus, so does it really end up hurting anybody?

I think what makes it work so much better than the MLBTraderumor.com fucker posting on Jed Lowrie is that this one was at least somewhat close to believable initially. We were ready and willing to possibly accept that we’d screwed up. Thankfully, we started questioning it soon afterward. Our logical minds won out in the end.

Still, yeah, it’s kind of mean. Fun, but mean. And if it was really Jason’s account hacked, well that just sucks.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 29, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Latest Little Rumor on Prospect Insider...

Clement and Morrow to Cleveland, Lee to Tampa, Kazmir and Brignac to Seattle.

The only part I can’t get my head around is what’s in it for Cleveland? They seem to know better than that.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:41 AM PDT reply actions  

It still makes sense balance-wise, as well as fitting within the "5 player" rubric.

Lee AND Martinez to Tampa was originally part of this rumor, and that just didn’t make any sense as the two of them were far too much to give up for the return of Clement and Morrow, no matter how much $$$ or low-level prospects were kicked in.

Obviously, it’s all speculation, but I think this could be the one. I’d LIKE it to be the one, at least.

I don't know how to stop.

by esoteric on Jul 29, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even with Wade Davis...

Martinez AND Lee for Davis, Morrow, and Clement? I would hope they’d get a better package than that. That’s not exaclty Sizemore, Lee, Philips.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Z's trade with the Mets was a fleecing.

But there was more than one player given up.

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by Fin on Jul 29, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's only because the Mets are currently broken.

The whole Bernazard/Minaya/Rubin debacle has been so awesome I WANT TO DIP MY BALLS IN IT.

I don't know how to stop.

by esoteric on Jul 29, 2009 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mark Texiera, Erik Bedard...

Those were only for ONE player. We’re talking about the reigning Cy Young (and you can make of that what you want, I know that’s what the Indians are selling) and Victor Martinez.. they should be able to get at least 3 superb prospects in my opinion and Morrow and Clement have lost that pedigree. Maybe Wade Davis, Brandon Morrow, and that outfielder prospect on TB whose name just slipped my mind.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's it, I'm catching the next Pimpmobile out of here.

Hopefully something will have happened in the next six hours or so.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 29, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm just sad he never really got a chance.

I mean we have Rob Fucking Johnson doing the catching up here.

by Mariner Melee on Jul 29, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jeff Clement doesn't have knees?!

Holy shit I’m glad we got rid of him before other GM’s noticed.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

*JOINTS.

FUCK I HATE RUINING MY OWN JOKE.

I don't know how to stop.

by esoteric on Jul 29, 2009 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not in the slightest.

While I love the fuck out of music, I can’t stand hip-hop. It’s the only major genre I can’t get int in any way.

I don't know how to stop.

by esoteric on Jul 29, 2009 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha, okay.

I’m not even the biggest rap fan, but I know a guy who is touring with him so I had to ask.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

You try Lupe?

The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!

by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Look, my favorite band of all time is GENESIS -- progressive-era Genesis.

With Pavement and Radiohead heading up my list of modern acts. You have no idea how unbelievably far away I am from hip-hop, in terms of my musical aesthetic.

I don't know how to stop.

by esoteric on Jul 29, 2009 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pearl Jam has to be mine.

Not just because of Ten, because of their versatility and staying power afterwards. In fact, Ten isn’t even my favorite album.

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by Fin on Jul 29, 2009 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which should tell you just how disaffected I am with music of the last decade.

Seriously though, Pavement is and will remain eternally fresh for me….musical greatness like theirs comes along only once every ten years or so.

But we are veering off-topic here.

I don't know how to stop.

by esoteric on Jul 29, 2009 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whopsie.

The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!

by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, this will change your opinion on hiphop

here. Its a Swedish Hip Hop/swing band. I hate hip hop too, but I can’t get enough of this.

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by Fin on Jul 29, 2009 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's some pretty good shit.

Though I’ll admit the language barrier doesn’t cross over as well in rap, in my opinion. and my favorite band of all-time is German, which I don’t speak either.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would say that I wish I knew what they are saying.

But Ebonics is also a language of its own, so I am not too bothered. I just enjoyed the emceeing and the swing music.

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by Fin on Jul 29, 2009 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I couldn't really care less.

I’m more interested in the returns than the costs… my have my thoughts changed since the end of the Bavasi era.

by batura on Jul 29, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

it's simply because the mariners have sucked my emotion for him away

I’ve been hearing about Clement forever, but he’s never panned out and has been jerked all over the place. I’m sad he didn’t make it here, but that sadness has been experienced already with him not being a part of the major league team. Clement leaving isn’t really sad because I’ve said goodbye to him already.

by mwalter on Jul 29, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's pretty much been my favorite prospect since we drafted him

That being said, the good of the team comes before my personal attachments.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hot damn shit's finally happening!

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Jul 29, 2009 12:56 AM PDT reply actions  

It's ok

Graham owns one as well.

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by Fin on Jul 29, 2009 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

What crappy luck with jerseys.

I don’t see why he doesn’t just by a MacAree custom jersey.

I would buy my own customer jersey, but I can just wait until Adam Moore makes the big league squad.

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by Fin on Jul 29, 2009 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tell me something about this guy.

Namely, why I would be bothered to see him go?

I don't know how to stop.

by esoteric on Jul 29, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here ya go.

Pribanic

Drafted in the third (I believe) round of the 2008 draft. Good pitcher, would be sad to loose him.

by Mariner Melee on Jul 29, 2009 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's been doing really well this year.

But we seem to have a lot of guys like him in the lower minors.

by Mariner John on Jul 29, 2009 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lorin is better, and I guess Cortes is a decent replacement

But I am not thrilled to see him go. Now that is without knowing the return. I may do back flips I don’t know yet.

by Mariner Melee on Jul 29, 2009 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd rather give someone else up.

But lower minors starters isn’t exactly something we have a dearth of.

by Mariner John on Jul 29, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

And thank god for that

it seems like forever since we’ve had a good higher-level pitching prospect. Hopefully at least one or two of them will become legitimate prospects.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pitching well

didn’t have fantastic upside though. On the Future Forty they had him as a potential 1.50 WAR player. Seems like a decent complimentary piece. Let’s hope we’re getting something good.

FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 29, 2009 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

The next peson who calls Rob Johnson a bad baseball player will lose my respect.

I have just accepted (with the help of my mariner bias) that Rob Johnson is just as good as Jeff Clement. And that’s considering his health, and uncanny ability to make good pitchers love pitching to him.

The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!

by JamMasterJesus on Jul 29, 2009 1:13 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't know if you noticed.

But his CERA went up in the past few days.

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by Fin on Jul 29, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

We're trading for Roy Halladay aren't we?

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Jul 29, 2009 1:15 AM PDT reply actions  

No. I imagine Jack is asleep.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Jul 29, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I bet he is as hot as the rest of us right about now.

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by Fin on Jul 29, 2009 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna set my alarm for 8 AM just so I'm up in time when it becomes official.

And so I can get a few things done before the heat comes back.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Jul 29, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could imagine his Tweeting

GMZMan Too Hot to Sleep!
about 30 minutes ago from TweetDeck

GMZMan @TheeCashMan, @Gillickismymentor, @Melvsterenjoyshisbrew Hey dudes, I totally was kidding, Washburn is available for the right price!
About 15 hours ago from TweetDeck

GMZMan @Hyphen18 Good game buddy, you’ll get’em next time.
about 4 days ago from web

GMZMan @Melvsterenjoyshisbrew DUDE! I have to take you to Pyramid when you come to town! The beer here is so much better!

GMZMan @MooretoLoveinKC Treat Yuni well! Let us know when you are in need for a catcher or 2nd baseman, I would be glad to help!
about 2 weeks ago from web

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by Fin on Jul 29, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

It seems as though you don't pull a guy unless a deal is done.

So what the hell happened? I give this 50/50 odds of being a way to fuck with the fans.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 29, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

The last time I got excited about a trade...

I had a nightmare that we unloaded our farm system for Erik Bedard. Good thing it was only a dream.

Carlos Silvelite

by OceanBird on Jul 29, 2009 1:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Damn right it fucking hurts

Can you believe that those lucky Baltimore fans are going to get plush oriole toys tomorrow? What a fantastic promotion! And all we get are stinkin’ Bobbleheads.

Carlos Silvelite

by OceanBird on Jul 29, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

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