Reid Brignac Pulled From Durham Lineup
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 25, 2009 10:52 AM PDT
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Sweet Jesus.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
Yeah... not likely
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 25, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Beautiful
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The senseless speculation?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
Okay, so I'll toss this out now
I’ve been hearing for a few days that the M’s were involved as a third team in a Cliff Lee to Tampa Bay deal. The Indians want more pitching than the Rays want to give up and don’t have a use for Brignac (because we already gave them an awesome LH hitting SS…), so the M’s would get Brignac and send additional pitching to the Rays.
What that looks like is up in the air. I’ve heard Morrow/Clement to Cleveland in a huge deal that also sends Victor Martinez to Tampa. I’ve heard that we’d absorb Kazmir’s contract too in order to make TB be able to fit Lee into their budget. I’ve heard smaller deals where it’s just Morrow.
Guess we’ll see.
Washburn would almost certainly go away quickly
His contract and Washburn’s are nearly identical this year. The M’s would probably then move him for the best prospect they could get, and the salaries would come out even for this year.
So, basically, the rumor (and it’s still that for now) is that the M’s would turn Washburn/Morrow/Maybe Clement into Brignac/Kazmir/Prospect.
Yeah, I’d be happy with that.
by davidcameron on Jul 25, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Washburn would go to Tampa Bay in this scenario?
If that is the case, wouldn’t Bedard be more likely?
wait wait wait....
So we’d be giving up Clement and Morrow for Brignac? Or are we also getting Kazmir?
by ManifestDestiny on Jul 25, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
If we end up with Kazmir that would excite me.
I have a hard time believing he’s really a replacement level pitcher.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 25, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m no Mariners fan, but yeah, I’d say that’s definite win for you guys.
I don’t see why we would want Clement though.
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Clement's kind of a Victor Martinez type of catcher
that is, more of a DH.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 25, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I would explode if something that awesome happened
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GLEE.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
You'd think the three of them would've agreed to bring in a team of retards just for funsies
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 25, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Damnit, you beat me to it.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
You know, we could use a good hitting 3rd baseman after this season.
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Minaya would take Beluga Tits, I think.
Awaiting the day I catch a Russell Branyan foul ball. I will make love to it.
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Why the hell am I laughing so hard right now?
Awaiting the day I catch a Russell Branyan foul ball. I will make love to it.
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It was a funny comment, to say the least.
But I was laugh unexplainably loud at the time. Maybe I was just in a funny frame of mind.
Awaiting the day I catch a Russell Branyan foul ball. I will make love to it.
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Is Kazmir still busted, or is he on the path to fixed since being sent down and called back up?
A 6.23 tRA (5.52 tRA*) in 2009 that earns $8M in 2010 and $12M in 2011 is hard to get excited about, but is there anything in his peripherals that implies bad luck? Dave’s article from May doesn’t seem that promising. Has there been a significant change in his profile since then? Or does WOO BRIGNAC override any concerns about Kazmir?
Would like to know where his velocity is? I would like to see what Adair could do with him
as long as there isn’t some underlying physical issue with Kazmir.
His velocity is up last two starts
Hit 95 in each of his last two starts. He’s still a massive risk, but it’s something.
by davidcameron on Jul 25, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
The M's seem down on Morrow, I think they'd take that risk as long as it bring back the
SS they desire.
I'm not sure they're *down* on Morrow
but at this point, he might really need to get out of this organization if he’s going to succeed. I’d rather have him than Kazmir, given Kazmir’s contract, but we can afford the latter, and I’d be happy to see us take the risk on him in order to get Brignac, if all we’re giving up otherwise is Clement.
What I don’t see, in the versions of this deal floating around, is how this makes sense for the Indians. Maybe they’re still wrangling over what pitcher(s) TB will give Cleveland, because Morrow/Clement just doesn’t carry the freight as a straight-up return for Lee.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 26, 2009 5:59 AM PDT up reply actions
On the Indians' side
We’re still supposed to get a pitcher from TB. And there’s still no assurance that Clement is part of the deal.
Steel Nick
As I said, "in the versions I've seen"
and I figured somebody like Wade Davis had to be heading Cleveland’s way for this to make any sense at all.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 26, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
But doesn't Tampa have Navarro?
I don’t see why they need Hay is is Victor Martinez too.
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Well Valbuena, Choo, Asdrubal Cabrera and now maybe Morrow/Clement
is a decent haul too.
We should try to fill the entire AL Central with former M's.
We already have a start with Podsednik and Carlos Guillen/Ramon Santiago
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
It says so much about each front office that KC is filled with shitty Mariner castoffs
and Cleveland wth quality Mariner prospects.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 25, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well this is exciting
The great thing about Lee going to the Rays is it leaves Washburn the second most eligible bachelor on the trading block. The Phillies have pretty much come out and sad that if they can’t get one of Lee/Halladay it’s Jarrod city for them, and if we pick up Kazmir then anything at all we can get back for Washburn is just super. Come on Amaro, you need a veteran dolphin.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 25, 2009 11:33 AM PDT reply actions
Hey that point is really excellent, moving Kazmir and at the same time increasing the value/immediacy of Washburn
There’s without doubt a better way to structure that sentence, but all the player movement today is pushing my giddy button and your angle on the situation just gave it another push . Yahoooo!
Listening to the Durham-Norfolk radio broadcast
for any hints of injury vs. impending deal. Is this a fool’s errand?
Yes, going outside during the weekend is for people with real lives.
yes but right now my family think i am an anti social jerk
also please god let daves rumour be true
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
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by EnglishMariner on Jul 25, 2009 11:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll do what I can to update you via email if something goes down
I’ll be out much of the day, but following what I can on my iPhone. If something happens and I have an opportunity, I’ll let you know
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by tootthekazoo on Jul 25, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
cheers man
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
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by EnglishMariner on Jul 25, 2009 11:51 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Can't you get twitter for your phone?
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Something has to be going on though
There has to be an explanation for why he got pulled. Perhaps the Rays just intend to get something done before 4pm.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 25, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Htting liie a maniac?
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 25, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Posturing!
It’s just cover up bullshit while they finalise stuff. (I don’t know that, I’m just guessing)
Briggy was pulled for not hustling to 1st, according to @tborays
So much hate flowing through me right now. I wanted this deal done. So. Much. Hate.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 25, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like Vargas has been scratched from his start tonight in Tacoma
So much going on, and it’s not really even noon yet
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So the Jays' demands for Halladay have been rejected by Philly
as of this morning and Amaro has already said that if not Halladay his team is interested in Lee, Bedard and Washburn. Also, they seem to be totally willing to part with Carrasco.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 25, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions
NINTENDO 64!!!!!
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Now, who/what will be our Nintendo 64?
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by tootthekazoo on Jul 25, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Yamauchi approves of this comment
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 25, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Griffey is our Nintendo 64.
It was fucking sweet in 1997 and now it’s old, collecting dust, and the joystick doesn’t move so freely.
by abender20 on Jul 25, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Mario Kart is still the most fun I have playing video games
but I’ll admit I haven’t touched any of the consoles that have come out in the last three years
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 25, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
There's medicines advertised all over TV that will help his joystick move more freely
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by tootthekazoo on Jul 25, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Well it looks like its not happening
the consensus seems to be he’s not going anywhere. And if he does, I kinda hope he goes to Anaheim.
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 25, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Heyman still likes him going to Philly
Even after they turned down the offer. Then again Heyman can be a windbag.
Steel Nick
Heyman has been saying Philly all the way
and so he’ll never back off of it.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 25, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Pulled from the doubleheader today, I presume?
I was at the Durham game last night and he was playing.
Yes.
Although they waited an inning to pull him for not running out an infield fly.
That seems silly.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 25, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
So am I.
The Bulls AGM didn’t give a reason for him being pulled either, simply said they expect him back in tonight’s lineup.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 25, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The thought I would have given all of this (probably because I am a very depressed person)
is that the deal hit a snag and they had to backtrack.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 25, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah I think this makes the most sense
Pulling a player for lack of effort only to put him in a few hours later just doesn’t make sense. If he’s actually in the lineup, this has gotta be it.
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by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 25, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Um.
BenBadler Per durham manager, Reid Brignac will play 2nd game today. Right leg was bothering him
Uh-huh.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 25, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The fuck?
Really?
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by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 25, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Listening to the pregame on the radio right now
Wakamatsu said that they have another move to announce, but they’ll do it after the game because they don’t want to bother anybody on the team with it. Probably just to announce that Vargas will be starting tomorrow, and the corresponding roster move to get him up here
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Though I wonder who they'll move to get Vargas back up here
Bullpen is already kinda thin, so I figure it would be a position player of some sort. We don’t really have anybody we can easily move aside for him, do we?
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by tootthekazoo on Jul 25, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
You didn’t hear? We acquired Felix for Ryan Garko.
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nevermind. that joke didn’t work like i wanted it to.
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Yeah, it fell pretty flat
By the way, it is strongly recommended around here to use the subject line when commenting. Just a friendly reminder
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by tootthekazoo on Jul 25, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I asked Dave that question
And he said probably Shelton or they’ll just wait until a trade.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 25, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you for that answer
Stupid Griffey and Sweeney, making our roster semi-immobile. I was figuring him to be the only one really able to be moved, but what a waste having to send him back to Tacoma
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by tootthekazoo on Jul 25, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
By saying the don't want to bother anyone
Don’t they run the risk of bothering everyone with baseless speculation?
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 25, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
What's wrong with baseless speculation?
by FlaskInSafeco on Jul 25, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
In the clubhouse, I mean
Where I would imagine it is very bothersome.
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by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 25, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, that's fair.
I enjoy baseless speculation from time to time, but I guess the Mariners probably don’t consider my feelings about this when making announcements.
by FlaskInSafeco on Jul 25, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Baker's take
By the way, for those of you asking about Reed Brignac, the Class AAA shortstop prospect from the Rays, being lifted in today’s Durham game, my Florida contact just told me his leg was bothering him and that he is expected to play Game 2 of tonight’s day-night doubleheader. We’re aware of the trade rumors, yes, and have been looking into them all morning. But for now, nothing appears imminent.
Not much new information, but he believes nothing is imminent.
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