51-45, Overall Thoughts
So that should just about do it.
I don't like taking this position. Truthfully, we're only one game worse than we were yesterday, and if yesterday we thought we were still in it, one game can't make that big of a difference. The gap has only gotten incrementally wider. What makes this such a difficult circumstance is that there's no obvious right or wrong answer. It's just that, at this point, we're 6.5 behind the better Angels and 5.5 behind the much better Red Sox. Throw in the fact that there are other teams above us as well and the odds just get so long. I don't know what PECOTA's going to say, but if we were 10% this morning, what are we now? 7%? 6%? Today was just bad news all around, and as well as the M's have been playing, they simply haven't been able to make up any ground.
It's not that things can't reverse. They very well could. The M's could sweep the weekend, the Angels could get beat, and we could be right back in the middle of this. The issue is that you have to think about the actual probability, and with the Angels refusing to slow down, our playoff chances only seem to get more and more slim. It's not a whole lot of fun to have to win just to keep pace, but losing is even worse. So much worse. Losing only pushes you back, and the M's have been pushed back far enough that now any sort of run to the playoffs would have to be considered a minor miracle.
At 6.5 back in the division, the situation actually gets a little easier for Zduriencik. The further out we are, the less trouble he'll have selling trades that subtract from the roster and appeasing all those people who watch every game shouting "SELL SELL SELL!" Trade Washburn when you're nipping at the Angels' heels and people won't understand. Trade Washburn when you're in a deeper hole and it becomes more widely acceptable. Indeed, the fact that the M's haven't been able to make up any ground grants Z the opportunity to trade some names without having to deal with a ton of backlash.
Of course, a lot of those people who want the team to sell don't have the right idea. Being so far back in the race makes certain players more available than they would've been otherwise, but this front office isn't going to look to stockpile prospects. They're going to look to add players who can help in a hurry and stick around for more than just a little while. So, should the team make some moves, it's unlikely to be a typical sell-off. A better word would be 'reloading'. They aren't going to do anything that hurts them too bad in the short-term, because truth be told, this team isn't that far away. If some higher-profile players get traded, it's because we're getting back pieces who can be of great service.
We do, though, have to start thinking about things with an eye more towards 2010 or 2011 than 2009. That's just the truth about our situation. Whether that means trading guys, negotiating extensions, or both, I can't say, but things being what they are, the team can no longer really afford to make the playoffs a priority, and we should adjust our perspectives accordingly. The odds are simply too long for the reward to outweigh the risk.
Can we still hold out hope? Of course we can. Even if we end up trading away a chunk of our rotation, we won't be that much worse off, and a lot can happen over 66 games. By no means am I saying that we should all just give up. Rather, my recommendation is to go forward and focus on how much better our situation is than it was a year ago. Keep thinking about October, but don't become fixated on it, because the worst possible thing you could do as a Mariners fan is to view 2009 as as disappointment. While we may not get to where we want to go this year, we are irrefutably and undeniably headed in the right direction.
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In all seriousness, I couldn’t be happier with the direction the team is going. It’s really hard to comprehend the place we where in at this point last year.
What a turn around.
Go Mariners, Go Future.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 24, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
There are two very different ways to think about it
One way to think about it, is that we have to make up 6.5 games over a couple of months against a superior team, which seems really unlikely. The much more optimistic way, which you mentioned, is that if we can win the next 3 games, and someone can manage to beat the Angels, we’re right back in it and everything looks brighter. For now I’m going to try and stick with the latter.
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
Rule of thumb is 1 game per week
that you can make up (somewhat) reasonably. I think that comes from Tom Verducci, will post link when I find it.
We have 10 weeks to go in the season.
Chicks dig the long ball.
Thanks for bringing me a laugh even after a loss Jeff.
I love your captions under the photos.
Fuck the Angels!
It seemed pretty much over just looking at the Angels remaining schedule up to the trade deadline a week ago when we were 4.5 back
Not to say that it isn’t disappointing to be pretty much out of it, but I feel a lot better about the future than I have in many years after seeing this team play. Holy crap I love Gutierrez and Jack Z is an evil genius. We’ll get there sooner rather than later.
Anyone who views the 2009 season as a disappointment is a fucking idiot.
Fuck Anaheim.
by Eyeball Kid on Jul 24, 2009 11:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't regard 2009 as a disappointment, but I'm still allowed to be disappointed
Also, FUCK FUCK FUUUUUUCK ok sell.
by lemonverbena on Jul 25, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Bad all around?
He fell apart at the end, but it seemed like RRS put up six solid innings. Am I wrong? Was he much luckier than I realized?
He was pretty good, yeah
I was just referring to game outcomes.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 24, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
It probably is over, but weirder things have happened
1995 Mariners, 2002 Angels and A’s, 2003 A’s, etc…
But yes, I think its time to sell like crazy. Its really disappointing. We easily could be back 4.5 games right now, but damn those Angels.
Carlos Silvelite
So
does this mean if we get a good offer for Aardsma or Branyan, people here would be willing to give them up? Just wondering, because those are pieces that could potentially be part of the future, but could also possibly net us something.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 25, 2009 12:02 AM PDT reply actions
It would take a lot for me to be okay with giving up Branyan
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 25, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Same here.
Aardsma I’d be fine with trading, especially with Fields waiting in the wings.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
Aside from that, Aardsma is indicative of the belief that you can find closers for nothing, watch them pump up their value and (hopefully) rake in the proverbial dough.
Even if Fields isn’t ready next season, I have little doubt that we can find some sort of reasonable closer analogue and be none the worse for wear while bringing back something shiny.
Branyan strikes me as something slightly more special in the Pena mold; sure, plenty of replacement level-ish first baseman are out there, but what you’ve gotten from Branyan is a lot more special (and less likely to regress) than what you’ve gotten from Aardsma.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 25, 2009 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. One thing I always like about Billy Beane was how he would trade a closer for a shiny package, build up another one and trade him for another shiny package.
The DBacks have adapted a similar method(Qualls should be gone in a few days) and I’d have no problem with the Mariners taking suit. Closers are the most overrated commodity in baseball.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
Pena was 29, Branyan is 33
I fear Branyan is much closer to decline, even if he is a great first baseman. Not saying we couldn’t get another 2 great years out of him though.
I’m definitely more for trading Aardsma. A team like the Rays could desperately use him right now.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 25, 2009 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel like Branyan's improved contact numbers aren't to be ignored.
There’s a fair chance it is something of a fluke, but even then he’s a worthwhile risk on a two or three year deal.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 25, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he worked on his hand eye coordination over the off season.
Is that something to ignore?
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
But DA isn't a FA after this year. Branyan is.
DA won’t be a FA till after 2011, although it won’t be cheap to buy out his 2010 and 2011 season. Since he only makes about 419K this year, we could probably offer him 1.5M in arbitration for 2010 and see how far he will regress then. Russell will be a FA. Since he only makes 1.4M this year, offering him arbitration is a no-brainer. He will decline it, and I doubt he’s even a Type B FA. Branyan’s value is just a 2 month rental with no compensation pick possible. So DA definitely has a lot more value than Russell. I just don’t think you can get much for Branyan at this point. Probably just hang onto him, and offer him arbitration after the season. If he declines, try to sign him for a two year deal for 4.5M per. If he declines, you move Carp up here.
I absolutely forgot that Aardsma had a couple years left
He seems old so I automatically assume FA. This only increases my desire to sell, given that we may actually get a return on him.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 25, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree, it's sad for me though because I feel like I've already grown attached to the DA
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!
I wonder if Fields' status will get bogged down by his high ERA
His walks are still way too high but his FIP is fine and his BABIP and LOB% should both regress nicely. I think we’ve got another closer pretty close.
FUCK THE ANGELS!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 25, 2009 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions
A visual interpretation of this game:

I also watched Batista warming up in the bullpen tonight, and I told my dad the story of Eileen and Estefania’s spamming the Miguel Batista Memorial Book cLLub thread, emailing me and abender20, and telling Melenious “You fell in love with Batista? And he rejected you?” while we about ten feet from Batista, so he may have heard the story.
Batista literally had me falling asleep.
And I was at the game.
Also, I must say, there have been many times this year where I’ve felt we didn’t really have that great of a chance but to date they’ve always rebounded. This could very well be the actual end but, and this has no statistical basis, it wouldn’t surprise me if they ended up staying in it for awhile longer.
This is a much more nuanced view of the situation than I've recently read (or expected to read).
I agree wholeheartedly with your entire 4th paragraph, and have believed that what you’re calling reloading is how they’ll approach it for a while now. Z will not wave the white flag, to the fans or to the players.
Total Irony
We were 6 games over .500 in April. That put us 3.5 games up in the division. The Angels stumbled. The division was weak and wide open and we took the first stake. Just play .500 ball from there and we should still be in good shape we thought.
We are 6 games over .500 right now. We’re now 6.5 games out of first. The Angels don’t lose. The division is getting steeper by the day. We’re in 3rd place. And today’s game might point the needle towards SELL.
This season is not over. There is still plenty of baseball to be played. But the organization also has to be smart about how we move forward. This division has gotten far more difficult in a short amount of time. It’s a shame. The team did what it needed to do to jump in the thick of the race and it still finds itself on the edge.
Whatever happens, I’m eager to see how this situation is handled.
by ThundaPC on Jul 25, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Dear Mariners and Jack Z:
Thank you for an awesome season. Being in a legitimate race has been a blast. And even though we are out of the race(more or less), I know it is not your fault. I know you’ve done everything in your power to keep it going, and you’ve FAR exceeded my expectations. This has been the funnest team to follow since 2003.
Do what needs to be done to make this team a true contender next year and beyond.
FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!
Dear Lookout Landing,
Your praise, your support, and your sexual desires for my trades/free agents deserves much appreciation. That you understand these moves as both statistical analysts and fans has not been overlooked, and will not soon be forgotten. It is my goal to create a legitimate contender using every means necessarily, sans euthanizing Rob Johnson. While I am not ready to give up on 2009, your understanding of the game at a deeper level has convinced me that 2010 is something to look forward to, and with that I will work towards fleecing the Phillies so that you can have the well rounded team you have always dreamed of. I hope you continue your passionate love of the Mariners and the game, and I look forward to bringing you many years of dominance in the AL West.
~Jack Z (DMZ)
PS May the Angels get their testicles ripped out, topped with 357 Mad Dog Pepper Extract and spork fed to their anus until they bleed to death. Amen.
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