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Lost in all the excitement about the Mariners succeeding by playing Angels baseball is the fact that the Angels still play Angels baseball, too. And they play it better.

Since the 27th of May, the M's have gone 30-18. They've played at the pace of a 101-win team. And over that span they have lost 2.5 games of ground to the Angels, who two days in a row have pulled off dramatic late-inning comebacks to snatch annoying-ass victory from the jaws of proper defeat. It's enough to make you want to scream, and the only real consolation is that at least we're overachieving too. But somehow I don't think that feels like enough. Watching the evil-doers rally off of Joe Nathan thanks to uncharacteristic wildness, a bloop single, and a superball grounder up the middle conjured emotions harkening back to Lollablueza. At that point, the tenth was just a formality. Why even bother playing it?

There's still a lot of baseball to be played, but games like tonight's do us a great deal of damage, and while I don't quite understand how we're closer to the Wild Card than the division, that could very well end up being something to keep an eye on, because from the looks of things the Angels may never lose again.

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This is so fucking annoying. Ugh.

They have seriously taken the joy out of the last 2 wins (for me at least). FUCKING LOSE ALREADY YOU FUCKING FUCKS FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK

by appleshampoo on Jul 23, 2009 11:37 PM PDT reply actions  

I think they make clones

Figgins, Kendrick, Aybar, Morales, Izturis, Napoli

These guys are all the same annoying-ass player with skills for different positions. I said to a couple of my Angel-fan co-workers tonight that I looked forward to laughing my ass off when their luck turned around during a 12-game September losing streak.

Then I realized that I truly believed that could never happen. They’re too fucking lucky. And all you can do at some point is sigh or laugh or pull all your hair out or something something something

by calim on Jul 23, 2009 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Napoli?

Napoli is an annoying motherfucker but he is nothing like the others.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 23, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't want to include him but then he got the winning hit

And by “the same annoying-ass player,” I guess I mean their common characteristic is that they’re annoying asses.

by calim on Jul 23, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would like to see him burn.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

by InSpokane on Jul 24, 2009 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

They aren't that lucky.

They’ve had a TON of injuries. Remember the beginning of the year, with most of the rotation on the DL? And then that Adenhart thing. And Santana and Lackey aren’t really pitching to their fullest. So are they getting lucky now? Yeah, but on the whole, it balances out at least a little.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 23, 2009 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like you Eyebrows, so don't take this personally.

But fuck you. Fuck you and you everything you stand for.

Fuck you.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Jul 23, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wait until they go all 2007 Mariners on your ass.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 23, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know though.

I feel like I’ve said this before.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 24, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

So if they had all those guys they would've won 70 games already.

That’s the worst part is they had all these problems and they still have the 2nd best record in the AL. It’s fucking bullshit!

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Jul 24, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Mariners are at the upper end of season expectations coming into the year at this point

And it’s only good enough for 5.5 GB of the division (and 3rd place) and 4.5GB the wild card (the free-falling Red Sox)

So, essentially, the Mariners are winning more han expected and I’m still rather discouraged.

by Gihyou on Jul 23, 2009 11:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I am so sick of the Angels!

I see a score in the early evening and they are losing. I start to think “YES!” finally this is the day we can pick up one lousy stinking game, but noooooooooo! Angels in the outfield? I guess fucking so.

I am giving up waiting on the Angels to lose- I have moved happily on to rooting for the Red Sox to Buckner their season.

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by Rich Langford on Jul 23, 2009 11:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Damn it!

It is not as much fun to root against the Rays!

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by Rich Langford on Jul 23, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

A half game back of being nowhere

by calim on Jul 24, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

A) Actually, it’s a half game of being third in the WC
B) My main point was that it’s kind of funny that despite the differences in our run differential, we’re very similar in record

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 24, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know, I know

What I’m saying is, and this is not new, it’s frustrating to be exceeding expectations by a sizable margin and still only on the fringe of any kind of playoff hunt.

by calim on Jul 24, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

That would be a good thing for you though, wouldn't it?

I mean 2010 would suck for the Mariners, but the farm system would be totally barren after that trade.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 24, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

They could get him

they’d have to gut the ML roster

Weaver + Napoli would be a starting point, I think

by seattlebruin on Jul 24, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which is fine

because then the improvement is incremental. Weaver’s been good for them, and Mathis is no replacement for Napoli. They’ve been playing well because they’ve got bunch of dudes who are slaves to BABIP, and it has been kind to them What will happen when they regress? The need Napoli.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 24, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously.

Don’t you people fucking get it by now? They’re aren’t going to regress!

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Jul 24, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate teams whose greatest trait is fucking magic >:(

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Jul 24, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Team BABIP is .324

last year it was .302 with mostly the same group of hitters. Their switch hitting light brigade is all having a great mid season surge but I don’t expect them to keep it up any more than I expected Branyan to hit .320. I mean, I know, speed and patience and whatever, but there’s just no way those guys are hitting their talent level.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 24, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

To wit

doiing a quick scan of their regulars’ performance so far and the ZiPS RoS projections, you should expect a .020 drop in team wOBA. Which is pretty big if it’s a team-wide thing. The only players underperforming their ZiPs were Vlad and Willits. They have to regress.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 24, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jered Weaver regressed

Saunders regressed. Willits regressed. They have to.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 24, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

The problem is

when they regress, someone else on their team decides to go crazy and carry them.

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 24, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am so happy that Saunder's regressed

I was getting sick of every asshole saying he was good, when even a cursory look at his K:BB numbers shows he’s mediocre.

Derosa.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 24, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 24, 2009 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do they have enough to get Halladay?

Their farm system is awful, and trading major league peices in a “win-now” move is kinda pointless.

Derosa.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 24, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was so fucking angry watching how that game turned out.

They have won at least five games they had no business winning over the last two weeks. And those five games are the difference in the division.

by Wilder. on Jul 24, 2009 12:04 AM PDT reply actions  

If the laws of baseball are right.

They should regress hard soon, shouldn’t they?

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 24, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I turned it off after the 6th inning...

I felt I was setting myself up for disapointment, and I was right…

by JMKaustin on Jul 24, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt there's anything to this

but I really hope that the Angels, aware of their ridiculous run, keep looking back and seeing Seattle and Texas hanging on. The good news is they play us, Texas, Boston and New York in September. As long as we’re within four/five games and play well against them we have a chance.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 24, 2009 12:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of sweeps.

Why can’t the Mariners get a fucking sweep? It’s always, lose the first game, but then win the next three, or win the series, but never just fucking sweep. The last sweep I remember was against the Diamondbacks.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 24, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

What I mean is.

The Mariners can never get some sort of substantial Rockies like win streak going to get us excited.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 24, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

More the weakness of the offense.

Besides Olson’s recent meltdown, we haven’t seen our 4-5 guys keep us out of too many games.

by Wilder. on Jul 24, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course

Ian Snell just seems like an easier fix than our entire offense.

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 24, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine the complete rotation.

Felix
Bedard
Morrow
RRS
and maybe Washburn

the ceilings for these guys are really high, granted Washburn will probably get traded.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 24, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

At this point Washburn is ahead of Morrow

unless you’re assuming he’s traded

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 24, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I assume he will probably be traded before his next start

I mean, the stock can’t get any higher, Z has to get him traded like now.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 24, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Garret Olson, Brandon Morrow...

Or whatever other retarded 5th starter screws us over.

by ThundaPC on Jul 24, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mmmmmm

because they’re not such a great team and depleted by injuries on top of that? That would be my first guess

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 24, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are right about that, I will admit.

Watching the impotent offense only get two hits (one for Ichiro and Branyan) off some AAAA fodder really proves your point.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 24, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm fine winning series.

That’s .667 baseball (108 wins over a full season).

by Wilder. on Jul 24, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that means they have to win every series.

They haven’t so that is already out of the question.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 24, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

We've won 12 of the last 15 series.

We we’re only swept once (Colorado) and we won both four game series in that stretch (Texas & Cleveland).

Not too shabby. But yeah, going on a nice 8-12 game winning streak would be real nice.

by Wilder. on Jul 24, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

It just seems like.

Being in third place in a surprising competitive division, and not going on one of those winning streaks, the Mariners seem to be forgotten by the MSM.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 24, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

We get Toronto and TB

and a bunch of games with Texas (4 to end the season). I dunno. Could be an exciting month. Adrian needs to hurry the fuck up and heal.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 24, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bloody Hell

- After we’ve played 95 games over the years…

2007 LAA: 57-40 (.588)
2008 LAA: 57-38 (.600)
2009 LAA: 56-38 (.596)

- The Rest of the Season

2007 LAA: 37-28 (.569)
2008 LAA: 43-24 (.642)
2009 LAA: 61-7 (.897) (Projected!?)

by ThundaPC on Jul 24, 2009 12:16 AM PDT reply actions  

I just don't see how a team expected to win ~85 games before the year

Can then deal with injuries and still beat that projection by 15 games. It just can’t happen.

Now I’ve convinced myself of their inevitable regression again. This won’t end well. Again.

by calim on Jul 24, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Needs a "fuck the angels" tag

Because I’m needy like that.

Actually, it would be fine with me to have all posts have a “fuck the angels” tag.

by PDXTai on Jul 24, 2009 12:33 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Pfft. Go big or go home.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Jul 24, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

Bravo!

Fuck the Angels!

by JMKaustin on Jul 24, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm down.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.
P.S. Fuck the Angels!

by Hopefulmsfan on Jul 24, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Let the record show that I was the first.

FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS! FUCK THE ANGELS!

by Goose on Jul 24, 2009 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

I am also in.

My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed, Fuck the fucking Angels!

by gregrabble on Jul 24, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

I'll play

A plague on the Angels' families

by calim on Jul 24, 2009 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

Meta

Fuck the Angels. If you see this, add a fuck to your signature. This is a fucking experiment.

by PDXTai on Jul 24, 2009 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Fuck 'em all

A number of teams could use a good fucking I’d say.

Fuck the Angels! And the Yankees and Red Sox while we're at it.

by urchman on Jul 24, 2009 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck the Angels?

FUCK THE ANGELS!

I like this game.

Fuck the Angels with a dead Rally Monkey.

by Robert Lintott on Jul 24, 2009 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Angels can suck a dick.

That’s the last I have to say on the matter.

Thug Life

by Slow Country on Jul 24, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Lollablueza

This was a promotion for the first game of a critical home series against the Angels in late August 2007.

Then THIS happened.

Followed by THIS (note the first inning).

Aaaaaaaaand THIS.

by ThundaPC on Jul 24, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Of course

The umpiring was a bunch of crap anyway so this made Honorable Mention in the 2007 top moments.

by ThundaPC on Jul 24, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hated Rick White so much.

That had to be the biggest piece of shit waste of human in Mariners History, Rob Johnson doesn’t even compare to this pile of poo.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 24, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

All I know is

that next time the Angels come to Seattle I am ready to pull a Celtic Pride on the whole fucking team and not give them the remotest chance to escape

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jul 24, 2009 1:01 AM PDT reply actions  

I feel like Ned Flanders when his house was blown down by the hurricane and Springfield built him a new, crappy version

Ah hell diddly ding dong crap, can’t you AL morons do anything right >:(

Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on Jul 24, 2009 2:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Not to mention..

Just before the bloop single/groundball hit off Nathan-second base-Punto shitfest, that sure did look like strike three on Matthews that would have sealed it.

by seamariners85 on Jul 24, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Mm-hmm

I thought Nathan was getting squeezed the whole inning, but maybe it’s my emotions talking. I haven’t bothered to look it up. It’d just make me angry again.

A plague on the Angels' families

by calim on Jul 24, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

The thing I love about the Angels right now

Is while we play mediocre teams they play crappy teams. They’ll catch a mediocre team like the Twins when they’re transforming themselves into the Athletics, plus god forbid they face Greinke when they play the Royals, or Lee when they play the Indians. No, they are reserved for us.

They better enjoy this season now, because Lacky, Figgins, Abreu, and Vlad are all probably gone next season.

Carlos Silvelite

by OceanBird on Jul 24, 2009 9:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Far be it from me to rain on an Angels hate parade

But we did just miss Jackson and Verlander in a series with Detroit.

A plague on the Angels' families

by calim on Jul 24, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't worry, you guys just need practice, that's all. ^_^

#34 Forever
Plugging the upside since 2006.
Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Jul 24, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions  

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