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7/23: Open Game Thread

Seattle Mariners at Detroit Tigers, Jul 23, 2009 10:05 AM PDT



Jarrod Washburn

#56 / Pitcher / Seattle Mariners

6-1

195

L

L

Aug 13, 1974



Lucas French

#53 / Pitcher / Detroit Tigers

6-4

220

L

L

Sep 13, 1985



Rain!

Update: no rain! But threat of more rain.

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Just like the French!

Also, this should probably be used for Bedard as well, oui?

~I'm on the DA~

by section331 on Jul 23, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

From Divish
There was also a scout sitting behind us early that was talking to his bosses, and he let it be known that he was here specifically to scout Washburn. I checked, and he was from the Philadelphia Phillies.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 23, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions  

No Gutz today.

Washburn is boned.

RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN

by I Lick Squirrels on Jul 23, 2009 9:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Woo baseball!

Let’s get this game going!

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 23, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions  

#9!

Aardsma for Cy Young!

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Jul 23, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Felix is leading!

I hope he wins although Greinke really deserves it so far.

by JMKaustin on Jul 23, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

In fact, I have cannot even figure out which numbers of Haren's you think are "much better"

aside from K/BB. tRA, tRA*, FIP, WAR, IP, etc all go to Lincecum both this year and last.

by Matthew on Jul 23, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know you are joking and all.

I am just genuninely confused how anyone could look at Lincecum and Haren and conclude that Lincecum would be unworthy of winning the Cy Young because:

A) he won it last year [in a totally legitimate decision]
B) Haren has “much better numbers” [which boils down to…. a few points of ERA?]

It is like nobody even reads our posts here.

by Matthew on Jul 23, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just the two, really.

It’s just frustrating when someone makes a claim, then vanishes, only to reappear and make similar claims. And stuff like “I hope his arm falls off” make it seem like there’s not a lot of room for reason in the discussion.

by Teej on Jul 23, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm satisfied with him being the 2nd coming of Curt Schilling(with less strikeouts).

Now we need to find ourselves the 2nd coming of Randy Johnson and World Series here we come!

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.398wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 23, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Much better?

Better at all is a stretch.

by Teej on Jul 23, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Most baseball fans think Kansas City is like the bogeyman

Something made up to scare all the little minor leaguers into behaving

by Tube on Jul 23, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

So 10 minutes?

Or what? Looks to be fine but apparently Comcerica has a crappy drainage system.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 10:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Okay here we go.

Game is back on…

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 10:28 AM PDT reply actions  

ZOMG No Politics Dave!

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 23, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I love how the Mariners

Who (except for the one time the roof failed to close) haven’t had a single rain delay at home, always seem to get a disproportionate number of road rain delays!

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I wouldn't eat KFC

So why would I eat Kentucky Grilled Chicken?

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 10:32 AM PDT reply actions  

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 10:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Ichi!

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

by InSpokane on Jul 23, 2009 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Another Ichiro-forced error

Love it.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Welcome back Mike!

NOW SCORE ICHIRO!

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh God

Rowland-Smith is starting tomorrow? Dang…

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by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions  

SWEENEY!

WELCOME BACK!

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Happy B-day you old fart.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

by InSpokane on Jul 23, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Hot damn Sweeney!

You about fucked that up Mike.

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.398wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 23, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

WLAD!

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by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I do

I’m a Timbers ticket holder in Portland and I love baseball (Baseball is still #1).

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by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gosh.

That is swell!

by Matthew on Jul 23, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Whatever

Its a regional team thing.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope to see you Saturday!

COME ON BURNLEY COME ON BURNLEY COME ON BURNLEY

by marc w on Jul 23, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Should be fun though.

Watch the Sounders beat up on Chicago, walk across the street and watch the last half of the M’s game.

by Sec 108 on Jul 23, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wonder how many

No shows there will be with the crossover fans.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Solution:

Take your Nintendo DS, go to Safeco and get connected to the fan network, then go to Qwest and you can watch the Sounders live and the M’s on the DS.

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Jul 23, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

As I understand it ...

The Mariners asked for a day-game to avoid the parade, then MLS released the Sounders schedule with the televised noon start, so the M’s asked the city if they would like them to change to en evening game, and the City asked them to leave it as is.

by msb on Jul 23, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh well

I’ll take 1 happily.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh shit.

I do not feel comfortable without Guti.

by Wilder. on Jul 23, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh Jarrod

Living on the edge, always.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Jul 23, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Fuck

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.398wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 23, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

No No No

Not another injured outfielder,

by IceStormV1 on Jul 23, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Kill the French.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

by InSpokane on Jul 23, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Yikes.

that would be Griffey in the Outfield.

by msb on Jul 23, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions  

French you can hurt Rob if you want.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

by InSpokane on Jul 23, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

OH WHAT THE FUCK!

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.398wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 23, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh dear.

Yea, that worked for the Tigers yesterday.

by ThundaPC on Jul 23, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING SHITTING ME!

COME ON NOW!

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.398wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 23, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Motherfucker that should of been an RBI double.

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.398wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 23, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Fly away!

Actually it bounced over, Dave…

by JMKaustin on Jul 23, 2009 10:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Bullshit!

Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit!

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.398wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 23, 2009 10:57 AM PDT reply actions  

:(edeño.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 23, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Does anyone else get a weird Facebook popup

when visiting the site now? Yesterday and today the first time I opened a tab for LL at work I got a second tab open with just a banner icon thingy for the LL Facebook group.

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Jul 23, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, happened to me too. Every since Jeff put up on the Facebook graphic on the sidebar.

But forbidding Facebook with NoScript(if you are using Firefox) fixes it.

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.398wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 23, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is that really a genocide?

Regardless, a fine choice for those ‘actors.’ I hate pizza hut so much more now.

by marc w on Jul 23, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

No.

Genocide is the intentional destruction of a group within a group. So yes, it can be political, but more often than not it refers to ethnic groups.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

That just seems odd

‘Systematic destruction of a political group’ could encompass all manner of things that we would never associate with the word ‘genocide.’
You can’t ‘destroy’ a racial or ethnic group without, well, genocide. You can ban a political party or work to counter their growth or do any number of things without killing people. That would still somehow count as genocide per this definition.

But you cited a source, so there’s that.

by marc w on Jul 23, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

No.
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    * (a) Killing members of the group;
    * (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    * © Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    * (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    * (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

UN Convention on Genocide

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 23, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

.

The term ‘Genocide’ was coined by a jurist named Raphael Lemkin in 1944 by combining the Greek word ‘genos’ (race) with the Latin word ‘cide’ (killing). Genocide as defined by the United Nations in 1948 means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, including: (a) killing members of the group (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group © deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part (d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group (e) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

by JMKaustin on Jul 23, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope this turns into a really long and serious discussion

about the varying definitions of a word.

Those are always so grand.

by Matthew on Jul 23, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

.

The term ‘asshole’ is the combining of the Latin word ‘asinus’ (body part) with the Old English word ‘hol’ (a hollowed place). Asshole (or arsehole in British English) is slang for the anus and is often used as an insult. It is formed from arse, which according to the Oxford English Dictionary has been used since the 11th century to refer to the rump of an animal and since the 14th century to refer to a person’s buttocks.

by Wilder. on Jul 23, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

To anyone watching on gameday:

Is it just me or is the zone huge today, especially off the outside edge?

by sammy on Jul 23, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Not watching on Gameday

But the zone seems big on TV, too

by calim on Jul 23, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does Wlad always punch his glove before he catches a flyball?

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.398wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 23, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Lots of players do.

Makes sure the webbing is open to its fullest.

by Wilder. on Jul 23, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Curtis Granderson is going to steal second base

And Rob Johnson won’t be able to do anything about it.

by calim on Jul 23, 2009 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

He'll do something about it...

and chances are it will not be good for the M’s

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by Rich Langford on Jul 23, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

For ignoring me.

You have been slamming Lincecum for at least two weeks and you refuse to back up your statements.

Do it now or the next time you mention Lincecum will be your last.

by Matthew on Jul 23, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you defend yourself in a logical manner, even if wrong nothing bad will come of it

giving attitude to the mods, especially one who pledged to be nicer earlier in this thread is not a real good idea

by seattlebruin on Jul 23, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, you would not.

Do not be a whiny bitch and defend yourself.

by Matthew on Jul 23, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some stats!

Wlad’s linear weights per 100 FB: -1.11. Per 100 Change-ups: 2.93. Per 100 cutters: 1.10.

The slider and curve are awful, but he hits some offspeed pitches much better than he does fastballs.

by marc w on Jul 23, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have some issues with this kind of analysis

Not all pitches are created equal. Wlad wet yard on a Bobby Seay slider two nights ago that I imagine just about any right handed hitter with an iota of power could hit out. Not all sliders are created equal.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 23, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

For the record, Bobby Seay's slider is well above average per fangraphs.

People have made up their minds about Wlad (or any other player), and we’ll always explain away the things that don’t fit the paradigm.

by marc w on Jul 23, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

2 in a row!

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.398wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 23, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Groundout!

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.398wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 23, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

And a groundball, too!

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Jul 23, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

After his little double hop on the last one I thought...

for sure the ball was going into the stands

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by Rich Langford on Jul 23, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well shit,

there were no fly balls that inning. Is that legal?

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by Rich Langford on Jul 23, 2009 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Swinging strikeout!

Near Halladay ERA! Buy Phillies! BUY!

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 23, 2009 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

I love the two Daves.

Blowers seems a typical colour guy and I don’t listen to Rissz enough to have a valid opinion. Other than he is very creepy.

Fuck Anaheim.

by Eyeball Kid on Jul 23, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like Rizzs voice

But he’s not the greatest baseball announcer. Blowers reminds me of the color guy from Major League. In that he doesn’t talk enough to be a color guy.

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 23, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow!

He looked out to me.

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by Rich Langford on Jul 23, 2009 11:39 AM PDT reply actions  

I stand corrected!

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by Rich Langford on Jul 23, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

You no hit curveball now Joboo

I say fuck you I’ll do it myself.

Wherever I go, that's where I am.

by Rich Langford on Jul 23, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Jeff Clement =(

You got slurved!

Hehehe Mark Reynolds is so awesome.

by Slurvey on Jul 23, 2009 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Groundballs=hits

Jarrod knew there was a reason he was inducing flyballs

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 23, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Very

Churchill said he should be in Seattle tomorrow morning for a physical

by seattlebruin on Jul 23, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

No he talked to a scout who said Holliday is having a mental breakdown

but no one knows about it. Except the scout. And Churchill. And now you.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 23, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is not a funny joke.

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

by InSpokane on Jul 23, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Depends.

Are you a pilot?

by ThundaPC on Jul 23, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Double-play.

The scout is getting a taste of it all!

by Wilder. on Jul 23, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Jose!

Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.

by InSpokane on Jul 23, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Please score this time.

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Jul 23, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

That'll work, thanks.

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Jul 23, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

So I think this game is going to come down to whether

Jarrod reaches ~96-99 pitches at the end of a frame and leaves the game on a good note, or ends an inning at ~88-90 pitches and goes out there for one more.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 23, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh fuck yes

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 23, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Productive outs!

success resulting from bad contact!

by seattlebruin on Jul 23, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

And someone was complaining about the generous zone earlier

both guys are actually getting a bit squeezed but its not very consistent

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 23, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

This zone is crazy

like someone said earlier, one at-bat was 2-2, but the 2 balls were in the strike zone, and the two called strikes were out of the zone.

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 23, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice AB Rob Johnson

That’s the ideal thing to do on pitches right over the heart of the plate

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by gregrabble on Jul 23, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions  

How did Jack change this lineup so much with so little?

I am continually amazed. Not that they’re much better, just bad in a totally different way.

De Gutibus non disputandum est

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 23, 2009 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Good grief.

I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.

by ralphie81 on Jul 23, 2009 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Do not walk Polanco.

Or Cabrera will tie this game.

by Wilder. on Jul 23, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

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