So what is the plan for Silva?
by Greybear on Jul 22, 2009 4:01 PM PDT
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PrintSo we have a pitcher on the 60 day DL with an "inflamed shoulder". Whether the inflammation is in his shoulder or his ERA is almost beside the point now. The question is, what are they going to do with him? He's apparently not going for surgery. He's travelling with the team as far as I can tell, so he's not getting heavy physical therapy. He hasn't been sent for a rehab assignment. Is the plan to let him sit all this year and start fresh next spring? Taking essentially a year off doesn't seem likely to improve his pitching. Are the M's just done with him? If so, why not just release him and be done with it?
I realize this probably isn't the most burning question at this point in the season, but if anyone has any insight I'm really curious.
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Shhhh...
Sometimes it’s best to let sleeping dogs lie…
Dang. I’d almost forgotten he’s still on the team. +
This signature space for rent.
He's contractually guaranteed a suite.
The team probably cannot fulfill the requirement if he travels with the minor league team, but then I don’t know what Motel 8 has to offer. I have no idea and I’ve been wondering about some of your points as well.
by Kermit. on Jul 22, 2009 4:40 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I realize it is a crazy pipe dream
But I’m hoping that he comes back as an effective back of the rotation start later this summer.
I know the M's collect some sort of insurance...
to cover the cost of his contract this year if he misses the rest of the season. Don’t bet on him pitching again this year.
Really?
I’ve never heard of this before. I’m intrigued… Do you have more details?
Thought one that comes to mind is that, if this is common for all MLB players (given full guaranteed contracts as opposed to in other sports – NFL foremost in my mind), why don’t we see this tactic as opposed to the DFA more commonly? Wouldn’t the Red Sox have benefited by doing this with Julio Lugo and his albatross salary?
Assuming I understand this correctly (and fully may not), if we DFA Silva, and someone picks him up say at league minimum to $1M (prorated) for the rest of the year… We pay his salary minus the proration for 09. Say he improves a bit, maybe in the NL, and gets a small 2-3M deal for next year, or even a 2 year deal at 3-4. We again pay his full salary minus what he earns from another club – correct?
So this insurance we’d collect… I presume it would have to be more valuable to us than the potential of him going somewhere else and making 3-5 million over the rest of his contract that we’d be off the hook for?
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Jul 23, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Except that no one would pay him above the minimum
as he’d only get up to what the M’s were paying him anyway and there’s no reason for another team to eat that salary when the M’s are on the hook for it.
Sure
Just wondering what the deal is with this mythical insurance.
Another team eating salary above the minimum would be if more than one club wants his services… Which is viable if he somehow manages to patch himself back into a BOR type guy in a change of scenery. I hear Dayton Moore likes collecting pieces off our scrap heap…
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Jul 23, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Incorrect
A club paying more = stupid
A club paying more != wanting his services more
No matter what a club pays him, unless they pay more than Silva was due from the Mariners, he would get the same salary. Hence, every club would only pay him the MLB minimum.
Now maybe someone tells his agent they’d consider an extension for Silva at the end of his contract should he play well for them or something of that nature as an inducement to get him to sign with them. But no team would pay him over the minimum.
K, I think I get you
I hadn’t considered that to him the paycheck won’t change. Blah.
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Jul 23, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m gonna go ahead and say calling KC Yuni’s head a monkey head is a tad rascist.
Emerald City Funk Machine
by blackvanilla on Jul 25, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I would guess that they'll try to fix him for next year,
but if/when they can’t, he’ll take over Beluga’s role.
Ugh.
Words cannot express how much I love this picture.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Jul 22, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is fantastic!
Where did you find so many pretty ponies?
You hack him up into bite size strips and package him as jerkey.
With the price of jerkey these days, we might be able to recoup a third of his salary while actually making people happy about his contribution to the world.
Illegible
by kevin_ess on Jul 22, 2009 7:52 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
All star outfielder ala Rick Ankiel.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jul 22, 2009 8:41 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
The team is working with Silva to be the 2010 DH.
Honestly, he couldn’t be worst then the DHs we have had for the last few years.
I like our current plan.
Place on DL with “injury”, leave and forget until contract expires. Or until somebody offers us any major league or minor league player in return. Heck, I’ll take a box of baseballs for Silva.
It's not like he's incapable of being a No. 4 or No. 5 guy.
He’ll get his opportunities to get back to that level.
I agree
He has every opportunity in Seattle to make himself a capable back-of-the-rotation starter.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 22, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see it
though he’ll likely get some sort of shot to do so.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 23, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
If the team falls out of it in the next week
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Washburn and/or Bedard traded and Silva come off the DL to take one of their spots.
that's quite the limb you've climbed out on there my friend
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
I was on crack apparently...
ZiPS RoS Says He’s Decent with a 4.76 FIP and we know that ZiPS is smarter than Jeff (see :(edeno prediction).
But then I remembered that Carlos Silva may be the reason that tRA was invented since he’s a Line Drive machine (aka, pitching machine but in the bad connotation). His expected ERA is 5.88, not what I’d like to see in the rotation.
That'd take forever.
Awaiting the day I catch a Russell Branyan foul ball. I will make love to it.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
My mom had a pair of fish left in a huge 40 gallon fish tank.
She didn’t want to get more fish to populate the tank, so she did the all-American thing by rationalizing simply not feeding them or cleaning the thing. [yikes, mom]. Those two fish lived for almost two years without food or tank cleaning.
Silva and Batista are like those fish.
Illegible
My dad has been doing that exact same thing with two fish in a 55 gallon tank.
He quit feeding them months ago, and as far as I know the fuckers are still alive.
me so cool
That's some cold shit.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jul 23, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
The only role I can see Silva taking in 2010
is a mop-up Innings-eater. Just for those “OMG were down 8-0 and our starter only went 1.2 innings!” type of games.
To make absolutely sure we never have any heroic comebacks?
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 23, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't this what league minimum AAAA guys are for?
Olson, Vargas, Jakubaustrich? We’ve got enough of them. DFA his fat ass and hope someone else picks him up to at least clear that small fraction of his salary off our books…
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Jul 23, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
See above
But clearing $400k off the books for the next two years isn’t a big deal and will do little for the team this year.
See if he can pitch this year or next spring training. If he’s worthless next year, then you think about DFA’ing him.
Everyone should remember that as terrible as Silva was this year
2008 Carlos Silva would probably be a decent option out of the rotation. I have a hard time believing that he is actually as bad as he looked, and DFAing him and eating his salary for the next two years seems silly if there is a reasonable chance you can get some value out of him going forward.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 23, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
This is an argument I can get behind...
Except for the fact that he doesn’t seem to be hurt. Based on my limited statistical understanding, it looks like the problem is that he’s pitching poorly – more so than in the past. His FB was roughly in line with last year (down 0.3 mph, but hardly the kind of drop off you’d think is injury related)… Bad pitch selection, only throwing his breaking ball 6% of the time and his changeup 11% – it’s no wonder lefties are mashing him for a 1.122 OPS this year. His strike rates are at career lows, too – 59% this year, down 5% from last year. Down 4% looking, down 1% swinging. Hitters know what he’s going to throw them, and they’re not getting fooled.
He’s not pitching well. If you want to keep that kind of guy around to get him better, he needs to be sent down to AAA or AA to get some innings in with focus on improving his pitch selection and command. Get him right in his head again. Sitting him on the bench with a faux injury isn’t going to fix that.
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Jul 23, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
It might.
If this is largely a mental issue, the correct approach is going to depend on the player. And if you send him down now, you have to call him up soon because of the limit on injury reassignments.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 23, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't this a real issue with his shoulder?
I’m pretty sure this isn’t mental, although I haven’t heard more about his injury in quite a while.
I just thought he was hanging out while he waited to decide whether surgery and difficult rehab were worth it for a small shot at getting back to his ’08 level, or if he just wants to cash some checks and hang out.
(incidentally, tRA rated him as a deeply shitty pitcher in 2008; I love these cases where FIP/tRA have strong disagreements about a player)
I have heard that the shoulder thing is not really an issue at all.
And I don’t mean to claim that he was good or even average in 2008, but he was okay-ish for a fifth starter and if you are paying him anyways and don’t have any better options, you might as well use the roster spot for something else.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 24, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
Where’d you hear that?
I just think we could do better than his what, 79 tRA+ or whatever. Clearly worse than Jakubauskas, probably solidly worse than Fister, Vargas, etc. But that’s besides the point… I’m just fascinated with the idea that the shoulder injury is just an invention.
I don't think it was woven out of whole cloth, but I don't think it is really the problem either.
Perhaps I am just a cynic.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 24, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a good default position as an M's fan.
You could be right, but I always look for weird non-diagnosis diagnoses with phantom injuries. Classics like ‘tendinitis’ or ‘dead arm.’ And no, the reports on Silva weren’t terribly specific, but they were…comprehensive. Like frayed labrum plus rotator cuff plus something else. I don’t really remember. That plus the fact that he seriously couldn’t get anyone out made me think it was real, but I probably should be skeptical…
Verily, a roster spot is not the worst or biggest thing Silva has ever eaten.
Does no harm. Not like he’s blocking any vital bench players or anything. He’s the official Felix BFF, just like Griffey is the official Ichiro BFF.
I was going to make a fat joke
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
It would be best if
we keep Silva this season so that we can trade him (for anything) to save some salary money, so we have money to buy some offensive free agents this summer. Nobody wants Silva now because he is injured so its best if we just wait it out
by slamdunkhoops104 on Jul 23, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions
No one is going to want Silva next year or the year after, either.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 23, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you sure
the Royals wont want to take another problem off of our hands?
Please explain why someone would voluntarily trade for a player and assume his salary
when the Mariners may just release him at some point, allowing him to be signed for the league minimum with no loss of players
by seattlebruin on Jul 24, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
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