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OT 7/2/05-- Flag Waving, Long Weekend, 4th of July Holiday edition

 

Ahhhhh, a long weekend, complete with baseball.

Time for rambling thoughts, happy incoherence and some patriotic quotes from Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father:

“Without continual growth and progress, such words as improvement, achievement, and success have no meaning.”

“He that is good for making excuses is seldom good for anything else.”

“To lengthen thy life, lessen thy meals.”

“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”

Topics for discussion:

Fourth of July traditions?

Worst fireworks? (gotta be snakes, right?)

New & different picnic food?

Beer or wine?

Flag-waving (in a good or bad way) movies?

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1. Drinking. Blowing stuff up. When I was a teenager we used to have bottle rocket wars, but I can’t call that a tradition any more because I haven’t done that in years.
2. Snakes, and as I get older I find that sparklers are pretty pointless too. But they are shiny, so there’s that.
3. It’s a picnic. No need to mess with the classics. I can do without potato salad, though, I’ll swap in a pasta salad or something.
4. Either/or – a nice dry white is good with a picnic but nothing beats a good cold beer.
5. Not sure if this is asking for a list or a yea/nay. Generally don’t seek them out, but don’t hate them.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jul 2, 2009 8:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

re: 2

The point of sparklers is to make sparkler bombs?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 2, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oooh good point.

Hadn’t thought of that one – I only got as far as pondering dipping them in gasoline before lighting them and realizing that was probably a bad idea.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jul 2, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are best used on produce.

Preferably of the melon variety.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 2, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My email is in my profile.

Shoot me an email and I will send you the recipe.

by Sec 108 on Jul 2, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This sounds interesting to me too...

Give me the recipe on FB.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I may have spoken too soon on this one.

She is asking for payment from me to release the recipe. I’ll see what I can do for you all.

by Sec 108 on Jul 2, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on.....

Butt scratcher?

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roman candle wars were the best

Two garbage can lids for shields, a few packages of bottle rockets, and plenty of booze = awesome.

I shot my friend in the FACE once, singed off part of his eyebrow.

by OlSalty on Jul 2, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lake City makes nat'l headlines

So, I’ve been out of town, but apparently there’s some douche from Lake City by the name of Benjamin Schroeter who is whining about fireworks at Gasworks Park.

Well, he caught the attention of The Colbert Report.

The points seem possibly valid, but still, goddamn man, come off it.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 2, 2009 8:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

No Elliot Bay fireworks this year and I would not be surprised to see Lake Union gone in five years.

by Matthew on Jul 2, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not surprised

There have been no fireworks in Kirkland for years now, and I’m pretty sure Bothell and Kenmore shut down too.

People need to get the fuck over themselves and admit that shit blowing up is great. I won’t pretend it’s high art or anything, but it’s enjoyable on the whole and the dangers inherent to it are exaggerated by people that don’t know what they’re doing.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 2, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NOT SURPRISED?

The day they stop the Tacoma display is the day I finally turn violent.

Still, from N. Tacoma, I could actually see the Elliot Bay display, and now I guess I wont. Boooo!

by marc w on Jul 2, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not surprised because I have noticed the alarming trend of people turning into gigantic pussies.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 2, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fine.

I live in a social bubble with other alarmingly poor students, so the perception that other people have more money remains.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 2, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

People may have money, cities do not

at least not right now.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jul 2, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Schools do not either.

I make the connection easier by thinking of it those terms.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 2, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to be really bummed when Lake Union's show ends.

My office is right on the waterfront. I’ve been watching the show from the roof every year since I was hired.

by BrianL on Jul 2, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lawsuit filed in August: okay.

Lawsuit filed in late June: you are a massive douche.

by acblue on Jul 2, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Random squib from my childhood.... The young rebels.

ABC’s 1971 attempt to link groovy young rebellious youth with the Revolutionary War.

Rick Ely (had to be a Tiger Beat dreamboat) as the fiery American youth, Alex Henteloff as the brainy would-be Ben Franklin type, Hilarie Thompson as the Obligatory Love Interest and (the only reason to watch) Louis Gossett, Jr. as the former slave, now blacksmith.

I think it lasted all of half a season.

by msb on Jul 2, 2009 9:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Ben Franklin.

I was watching the History Channel the other night and they were talking about all the human bones found underneath his home. Apparently he was doing massive amounts of illegal dissection and other studies on dead bodies that he purchased from grave robbers. He then would hide the remains under his house so he would not get in trouble.

by Sec 108 on Jul 2, 2009 9:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't there an anatomy school that met for a time at the house?

The daughter of the house he rented in London later married Wm Hewson, a doctor who was studying medicine (and anatomy) at the time Franklin lived there…

by msb on Jul 2, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, apparently he was running an anatomy school there,

but they did it at night to stay out of the eyes of the police according to this story. Who knows how much they are making up though just to sound interesting.

by Sec 108 on Jul 2, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More .... interesting treatments of the Revolution-- 1776, the musical.

Pretty accurate play & film about the writing of the Declaration, aside from the singing and dancing. Swell cast and pretty good dialogue by former history prof Sherman Edwards:

Dr. Benjamin Franklin: Don’t worry, John. The history books will clean it up.

John Adams: It doesn’t matter. I won’t be in the history books anyway, only you. Franklin did this and Franklin did that and Franklin did some other damn thing. Franklin smote the ground and out sprang George Washington, fully grown and on his horse. Franklin then electrified him with his miraculous lightning rod and the three of them- Farnklin, Washington, and the horse- conducted the entire revolution by themselves.

[pause]

Dr. Benjamin Franklin: I like it.

by msb on Jul 2, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ruh rohs

I wonder if this sort of thing is going to start becoming common for non-massive-media-market teams.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jul 2, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I just wonder if it's going to start becoming common at Mr. Hicks' other teams.

Mr. Gerrard, please accept this IOU featuring beautifully detailed embossing. The amount is equal to your regular paycheck.

by marc w on Jul 2, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crazy. Lucky he had a credit line.

Many businesses have had those pulled or greatly reduced.

It is the single biggest reason businesses are not spending much these days. I love how banks create a problem and then punish there customers for their own poor management.

by Sec 108 on Jul 2, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So how long until Mark Cuban buys the Rangers?

Or maybe even Bush (no political leanings intended, just mentioning him because he was part of ownership before and has plenty of money).

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way MLB let's Cuban buy a team.

He tried to buy the Cubs and they gave him the middle finger.

by Sec 108 on Jul 2, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the company line was "they picked a different ownership option".

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was indeed the company line

and will be again if Cuban tries to buy into another team.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jul 2, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really, really despise this weekend.

The only tradition my family ever had was going to the Lumberjack Breakfast in Albany. But for most of my formative years I was not in town for the 4th, so it’s tough to make a tradition. I would love to have just a laid back BBQ, but I hate jamming up with the masses to watch some things explode in the sky considering it is boring after the first two pretty things.

As for this year, though, I am ready for Seattle International Beer Festival and the celebration of Cascadia. I guess that makes me pro-beer.

And picnic food, new and different? All I say is nay on the flag cake.

Ronny, TAKE

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 2, 2009 9:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I can sympathize.

My family didn’t have any set traditions for it either. Sometimes my dad would get some fireworks of questionable legality from people he knew, or we’d visit neighbors who, being in a rural area, had the higher end stuff and knew how to use them, or maybe relatives would be in town and we’d head to Gas Works.

My mother was never big on fireworks in general. Cobras, roman candles, those things that spin around on the ground and make colored flower shapes, that was it.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 2, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're anti-American.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 2, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if I can sympathize anymore.

Sorry NOLA :(

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 2, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We also don't drink at family get togethers.

And they wonder why I make excuses.

Ronny, TAKE

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 2, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now I'm really sorry.

My mom’s side of the family is boring as all hell but at least they have the sense to make a bee line for the gin as soon as they take their shoes off.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 2, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ground Bloom Flowers.

My Mom’s favorite too.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was never big for us, either

snakes & sparklers in the street, and a small but tasteful collections of pinwheels that my dad would set off (keep away now!) in the side yard. It was one of the few time during the year the BBQ came out of the garage.

by msb on Jul 2, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go up to Snohomish County

Its legal up here in Bothell!

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by Fin on Jul 2, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you're willing to drive for ~20 minutes north on I-5 to do it, unincorported Edmonds is one of the closest places where it is legal I think.

Not regular Edmonds or Lynnwood, but the Edmonds that’s just south of Everett and not really anywhere near the city center. I grew up there and my area was always the exception to the no-fireworks rule.

by OlSalty on Jul 3, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hello msb (and others)!

1: the 4th of July was always a bigger holiday for my family than Christmas or Thanksgiving. We never had any family in the area, so the trad. ‘family’ holidays were always weird, either because we would hang out with non-family, or because it was just the three of us celebrating. The 4th of July isn’t necessarily supposed to be about family, so it was much easier to enjoy having lots of people over for food and drinks.
We always hosted, and every year, it features grilled oysters from Hood Canal. I’m not a big oyster guy myself, but people love the grilled oyster thing.

2: Snakes, those whistling things (I see Black Cat is selling one this year that’s called Pure Torture. The point of this thing that’s made of gunpowder is that it makes loud, annoying noises and doesn’t blow up. I… it’s like making a sandwich that really, really smells bad. Why? That’s not what a sandwich is FOR, and who’s paying money to smell something nasty? In sandwich form? What?), pop-its.

3: Chile Colorado. Great on its own, with rice, with tortillas, whatever. Why not.

4: Both, of course. Cold beer on the 4th of July is just right, and I’ll have a few. But I may have a cab with grilled meat for dinner, and then a gin and tonic for the fireworks as if to say, “No hard feelings, England.”

5: I don’t really know.

by marc w on Jul 2, 2009 9:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

RE: whistling things

If you throw them in sewage pipes it sounds like somebody being strangled and drowned.

by Robert on Jul 2, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew I could count on you for taking something that seemed so worthless and making it slighlty less worthless.

I never liked whistling bottle rockets (because they just give your target advance warning!), but they were so awesome to fire under water. The plastic shell meant they’d still work, and on a dark night, it was really cool to see the snaking lines of green and little muffled explosions under a glassy lake/puget sound inlet.

by marc w on Jul 2, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We always had the big fireworks (and related injuries).

A close family friend was a long-haul trucker, and he’d bring fireworks back from all the reservations across the country. It was insane, and amazing that nobody was SERIOUSLY injured.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take three blocks of the whistling ones (saturn 5 is what they are called) put them on on piece of wood in the ship of a "T"

Voila! A modern day crossbow! Think of how easy it would have been to cleanse Nottingham Forest with this!

by Robert on Jul 2, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, saturns.

The problem with those is that they didn’t fire straight. You need to fashion a little barrel for ‘em so they don’t do that stupid fly-anywhere-but-ahead crap. Otherwise Nottingham Forest would remain infested with evil.

by marc w on Jul 2, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dangit.

Now I want to throw something that whistles down a storm drain.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: RE: Whistling things

If you pinch them off, they go boom

by d0nkey on Jul 7, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Growing up, on the 4th of July

we had a block-wide, all-day waterfight. There were a handful of families with kids on my street, and so all the boys and their dads would run around all day. There would be kiddie pools for dunking victims into, buckets full of water balloons, super soakers and PVC pipe guns. At some point, somebody’s mom would make the mistake of leaving the house and they would be dunked into the kiddie pool.

After that, we all got together for a barbecue and lit off all of our pooled fireworks.

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by Eyebrows on Jul 2, 2009 10:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We had the same kind of thing in our neighborhood growing up.

There doesn’t seem to be nearly as much social capital in circulation as there used to be. sniff

by Manzanillos Cup on Jul 2, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We didn't do much as a street on the 4th (aside from watching each other set off daytime stuff)

but the rest of the year we had a pretty elaborate version of hide-and-seek/kick-the-can/tag to be played as the dusk moved into dark, across a 6 yard radius.

by msb on Jul 2, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That sounds fun!

Of course as a stingy grown up, I read that all the first thing I thought was “damn, that’s one expensive water bill”

by royalcurve on Jul 2, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Guy Fawkes Day.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 2, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was referring more ot the premise behind it.

I don’t know of any other country that celebrates someone who tried to blow up Parliament.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 2, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I ought to do more research on these things before I start talking.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 2, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's transcended athletics

and started to become Least Favorite Human. Let us not forget that his ex-wife was only back in his house because he asked her to move back in to help with the kids after his last go-round with the law.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jul 2, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the fucking bat twirl he used to do after every pitch!

Execute that motherfucker!

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Jul 2, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.

from Drayer: “Another possibility is there could be a trade made between now and then. Jack Z has two members of his brain trust in Tom McNamara and Carmen Fusco on this trip and there have been a lot of meetings, conversations and phone calls. The atmosphere is such that I get the feeling they would like to make a deal sooner rather than later. An interesting road trip could get even more interesting.”

by msb on Jul 2, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This year

I’m going to a friend’s house in Bremerton. They live above the naval base and you can see the Bremerton, Silverdale, Tacoma, and Port Orchard displays from their deck, plus whatever else is going on in the neighborhood, which, past experience has demonstrated, is a LOT. Lots of food, lots of drink, lots of baseball, and as little else as possible.

~I "write" about the Mariners. section331.com~

by section331 on Jul 2, 2009 12:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm staying home this year.

This summer has been too busy, and I’m taking the three-day weekend to relax.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The last , oh, 5-6 years, I've taken my dad to a brass band concert on the 4th

but this year with the heat, his age, and the logistics of getting to this year’s location, I think we are staying home

by msb on Jul 2, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We've always gone to our friend's house in Mukilteo that has a view of the Everett display,

but they’re not having a party this year, so I’m planting my butt at home.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, make no mistake

After a margarita, some beer, a rum and coke, and a little Bailey’s, I’m pretty relaxed. (All of this was consumed over the past 6 hours, so I’m not hosed, just in the mood for a nap.)

~I "write" about the Mariners. section331.com~

by section331 on Jul 2, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Answers:

I don’t have any traditions for the fourth. I think when I was little my dad may have put hot dogs on the barbecue, but that’s about it. As a grown up I don’t even do that. I’d like to, but I’m lazy.

I’m fireworks ignorant! I like the big ones…. the twinkly big ones in the sky. As far as little ones go, I have absolutely no experience with that.

Pioneer Woman has some good looking picnic food. I practically worship her.

Beer or wine? I don’t know. Beer usually, but I like Lambrusco and Cava a whooollllle lot.

I don’t know nothin bout no flag waving movies!

by royalcurve on Jul 2, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Note on Pioneer Woman's cake:

I’ve made her strawberry shortcake cake for the last 3 parties I’ve gone to. It is so good, SO GOOD, that people getting teary eyed is not an unusual reaction.

by royalcurve on Jul 2, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I don’t know nothin bout no flag waving movies!"

I haven’t looked, but I bet TNT or USA will air Independence Day.

by msb on Jul 2, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good morning.

In less than an hour, aircraft from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest aerial battle in this history of mankind. Mankind — that word should have new meaning for all of us today. We can’t be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We will be united in our common interests. Perhaps its fate that today is the 4th of July, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution — but from annihilation. We’re fighting for our right to live, to exist. And should we win the day, the 4th of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day when the world declared in one voice:

“We will not go quietly into the night!
We will not vanish without a fight!
We’re going to live on!
We’re going to survive!”
Today, we celebrate our Independence Day!

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by Eyebrows on Jul 2, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!

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by Eyebrows on Jul 2, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Outside of John Wayne watching Henry Fonda ride off to his death against the Apaches?

One of the all-time greatest American acting performances of all time!

by Kermit. on Jul 2, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa! I was thinking of an earlier J.W. movie.

Excellent, John Wayne/Ford movies from that era are terrific

by Kermit. on Jul 2, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, Fort Apache.

I just love Wagon master.

by msb on Jul 2, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I meant the Wagon Master movie.

Until I looked it up I was thinking of The Big Trail

by Kermit. on Jul 2, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another fine one.

Next time you watch it, count how many actors feel compelled to touch John Wayne in it.

It could be a drinking game.

by msb on Jul 2, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll keep an eye on that, I love his early ones for the cheese.

He ALWAYS exited the door in a rush, looked to his left very dramatically, then ran to his right with that loping stride and spurs jingling. I love that kind of stuff, it’s goofy as hell

by Kermit. on Jul 2, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you like westerns, the Hi-Lo Country was pretty good.

I don’t believe it garnered much notice, but I recommend it to all my friends. Here’s a decent review.

by Kermit. on Jul 2, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I pretty much have that memorized

Say what you will about the movie, but that is an inspirational speech that will be referenced for years to come

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Jul 2, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure I understand this.

They flipped his head over? Um.. So?

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chin, facial hair all remain as they were.

James Earl Jones doesn’t illustrate this very well, but in the photo above the hair on top is his beard and his normal hair is on the bottom. It’s more striking for those without facial hair. There’s a pretty good one of GWB in the link, but I didn’t post that because [politics].

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by Eyebrows on Jul 2, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adam Sandler

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by Eyebrows on Jul 2, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That makes more sense!

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I can think of is the weird moment in For those who think young

with Bob Denver buried in the sand— just his goateed chin sticking out, with a little upside-down face drawn on it, singing.

by msb on Jul 2, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 2, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I am considering going to see Dave Matthews Band at the Gorge this year.

Which are the best days to go? I heard Friday is where he plays all his popular music.

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by Fin on Jul 2, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

They are the Grateful Dead of douchebags.

(Note to Fin: I do not think you are a douchebag. But many DMB fans are.)

by acblue on Jul 2, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At my bachelor party my cousin made the mistake of trying to defend DMB

his bigger mistake was doing it at the very beginning of the weekend so we were able to give him nonstop shit about it all weekend.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jul 2, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think they're God,

but some of their songs are okay.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And now I've got Ants Marching running through my head.

They can all sound quite similar, but then again so can CCR or rap or Celine Dion or demons from hell (Canada) screeching for eternity…

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please be less redundant. There's no need to waste all of our time.
Celine Dion or demons from hell (Canada) screeching for eternity…

by abender20 on Jul 2, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I apologize.

I thought of Celine Dion and became frightened.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not.

They are fucking incredible.

by acblue on Jul 2, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just noticed this conversation.

Aaron is correct; not only is CCR incredible, but they are additionally the absolute best band to listen to on hot summer days.

by katal on Jul 3, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I have to agree with this.

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by Fin on Jul 2, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This list is total bullshit

Bruce Springsteen counts as a band? OK, but he’s number fifteen? Bruce Springsteen has had way more critical and commercial success than Pearl Jam and has been recording and touring for twice as long.

by Poochie on Jul 2, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't agree with the whole list.

I just agreed that Pearl Jam is the best American band. Maybe the list is quality over quantity.

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by Fin on Jul 2, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I know what you meant

I should have been clearer

by Poochie on Jul 2, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not knocking CCR (I love them),

but you can take any band, and many of their songs will sound similar.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most of the individual band's songs sound the same.

i.e. In the Name of Love and Vertigo.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 2, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And twice on Sundays.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 2, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's fine if you don't like them

“All their songs sound the same” seems more like a hasty dismissal as opposed to a legitimate reason for criticism

by Poochie on Jul 2, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

'All' was too specific...I'll stick to my second statement about 'most'

Or I could just say, “U2 is faggy” and be done with it.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jul 2, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He honestly is a fan,

and he said they sound similar, not they all sound the same. Big difference.

by Sec 108 on Jul 2, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is my problem

And again, Fin, this is no slam on you – but I just find all of DMB’s music to be generic, unchallenging, and bland.

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by pdb on Jul 2, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When he still lived in Wallingford a bunch of people I worked with lived a few houses away.

They had a party one night and after many beers decided to go pay him a visit.

He put his house up for sale a week later.

by acblue on Jul 2, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dave Matthews used to live here?

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still does I believe

but on Mercer Island or in Woodinville or something like that. At least part of the year.

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by pdb on Jul 2, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh.

Never knew he was from around here.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least he picked a good place to live.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Jul 2, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also a recent Dina Martina performance.

At least at Dina Martina no one made any ruckus about it, at the theater everyone whispers and points. With everyone doing it, it’s pretty obvious. He’s also been with the same 2 people on every occasion. It’s just strange since I don’t go out much anymore.

by Kermit. on Jul 2, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duff McKagan goes to the Metro all the time.

And Dale Chihuly. I fucking hate Dale Chihuly.

by acblue on Jul 2, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also ran into him at the Ballard movie theater, he cut the line.

While making small talk with the girl at the window, she said he was always a complete prick.

by Kermit. on Jul 2, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chihuly that is.

Someone mentioned McKagan grew up or had family in Wallingford, I don’t know if that’s true.

by Kermit. on Jul 2, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is!

He was the drummer for the Fastbacks for a few months when he was in HS.

by acblue on Jul 2, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of the funniest things I ever saw at the Crocodile

was at the Fastbacks’ 15th anniversary show in…whatever year that was in the late 90’s. They put out a public call for everyone who had ever drummed for the Fastbacks to show up and play at least a song that night. About 15 min into the show, this guy with a big shag haircut, pirate shirt, leather pants, boots, and a supermodel girlfriend strolls in like he owns the place. He looked completely out of place in a show full of people wearing t-shirts and jeans. That was the first time I’d ever seen Duff McKagan in person.

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by pdb on Jul 2, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He still dresses that way!

And his girlfriend looks so amazingly out of place in Seattle it’s not even funny.

He is an amazingly kind and funny guy, based on my limited experience with him.

by acblue on Jul 2, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard nothing but good things about him

it was just so hysterically funny – even Kurt Bloch, after they finished a song, said something like “OOOOH LOOK there’s a rock star in the house!” and wouldn’t stop giving him shit until he got up on stage. It was awesome.

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by pdb on Jul 2, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My friends and I used to joke that FBX were working their way through the white pages

as far as drummers went and that everyone in Seattle would eventually have a chance to drum for them. Sadly that never came to pass.

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by pdb on Jul 2, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet.

I don’t suppose you still have a copy? That would be pretty epic.

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by pdb on Jul 2, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's totally stalking you

You just think it’s coincidence. He must be good

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Jul 2, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of my friends turned into a massive DMB fan and had a shoebox filled with

burned cds of every single one of his live shows, and found them all to be unique and inspiring. I stopped talking to him.

by abender20 on Jul 2, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeez,

I didn’t realize people hated DMB so much here. I actually like DMB, even though I am guessing its considered girly music.

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by Fin on Jul 2, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not afraid of admitting to liking something that isn't cool.

Even though to be honest, I wasn’t expecting this big of a negative reaction towards Dave Matthews here.

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by Fin on Jul 2, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was, and I cringed for you.

I have some skeletons in my closet. I own the first Dane Cook album and don’t hate it.

by Teej on Jul 3, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even though Dane Cook's movies are absolute garbage

I think some of his stand up jokes are good, even though other parts are just plain bad.

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by Fin on Jul 3, 2009 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find him tolerable on CD.

When I have to watch him, he ruins his jokes. (Assuming they’re his jokes to begin with.)

by Teej on Jul 3, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought about going to see him live.

I am glad I didn’t though, I am guessing it probably would’ve been a major let down, compared to seeing Chris Rock doing stand up live.

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by Fin on Jul 3, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Dane Cook was the bee's knees my freshman year of high school

He acts like a snake! How cool is that!!

But seriously, I don’t fault people for finding him funny, I just thing that the more you experience something the less appealing you find it, especially those things you find appealing at a young age.

by OlSalty on Jul 3, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

As a college kid, I thought I had a pretty refined taste in comedy. I loved Mr. Show, The State, etc. All those weird comedians who did everything the could to avoid the lowest common denominator. But sometimes shit just makes you laugh. I don’t find Dane Cook humorous nowadays, and he’s nowhere near the top rung of comedians on my ladder, but it’s not like he’s incapable of being funny. His first album had some pretty good stuff, and maybe a few good jokes on his second album. He’s just massively overrated, and it’s to the the point where hating on Dane Cook is about as annoying as loving Dane Cook.

by Teej on Jul 3, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, beer or wine.

That’s fine, I love a great beer – and have gotten some good recommendations just reading series previews here. But are there any other scotch drinkers out there?

I’ve got a small home bar of about 12 single malts. My current favorite (of what I have and/or can afford to drink at a bar) would be the Ardbed 1990 “Airigh Nam Beist”. Delicious, peaty, floral. Absolutely fantastic whisky.

Anyone?

by AtomicGarden on Jul 2, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Like, straight up?

I love the odd gin & tonic, but there’s not that much I can think to do with gin.

by AtomicGarden on Jul 2, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gin rickey!

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by pdb on Jul 2, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I want to try a Sloe Gin Fizz

But I’m not sure where [in Seattle] they can make one since it has a bunch of weird ingredients.

Maybe Zig Zag or some modern downtown bar.

by AtomicGarden on Jul 2, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My in-laws make it for me. Yay!

Of course, it comes out more like a cordial, but you can serve it with Pimms and you’re basically English at that point.

by marc w on Jul 2, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

only if you headbutt someone after drinking too much of it

LAZY NATIONAL STEREOTYPE AHOY

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by pdb on Jul 2, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you gotsa knock out half of yer teeth before you drink any!

Amirite? Because their teeth suck! So if you wanted to go all the way, you would make YOUR teeth shitty. Then you would be more like them.

by marc w on Jul 2, 2009 2:00 PM PDT