Reason to worry? I don't know much about mechanics, but I do know that Bedard has had those hip...

Reason to worry? I don't know much about mechanics, but I do know that Bedard has had those hip problems in the past.

Someone who knows more about mechanics than I do...is this reason to worry?

8 months ago Mariner Melee 71 comments 0 recs |

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by acblue on Jul 14, 2009 11:49 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs

So......yes?

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by Goose on Jul 15, 2009 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently no really does mean no.

by seattlebruin on Jul 15, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No means "yes," but gently.

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by Slow Country on Jul 15, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That cat shouldn't have dressed so provocatively.

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by Faux on Jul 15, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nothing that a good oil & lube can't fix.

by Wilder. on Jul 14, 2009 11:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Joint Juice.

by Mariner Melee on Jul 15, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That stuff does not work.

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by InSpokane on Jul 16, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

But Bedard is made of glass

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by gregrabble on Jul 15, 2009 12:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Felix has turned like that all season. In the ASG he was just amped up and doing it to an extreme, I think.

Someone told me that Bedard turned him onto the hip turn thing, but I have no idea if that’s true or not. I don’t know why you’d take that advice considering Bedard’s hip problems. I’ve also heard it exposes you to oblique problems and can cause timing issues. I dunno. I wouldn’t worry about it. Odds are he’ll only have a very subtle turn in his next start.

by JonBBT on Jul 15, 2009 12:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Timing issues I can believe

everything else not so much

by seattlebruin on Jul 15, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Definitely, but just because they CAN cause timing issues doesn't mean they do in Felix's case.

We’d have to slow down the tape. I’m working on turning these clips into .gifs, should have something up later.

by JonBBT on Jul 15, 2009 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whoa I take that back

Just looked at some video of his outing against Texas and he was turning just as much.

Interesting…

by JonBBT on Jul 15, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well shit.

I hope he tones this “twist” down a bit. Even if it hides his pitches or adds to his pitches, if it comes at the cost of his health it can’t be worth it.

by Mariner Melee on Jul 15, 2009 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

WHY? Why do you hope he tones it down?

You have absolutely no reason to think it will lead to injury. None. Absolutely zero reason to believe that.

Hell, maybe it helps his results. Maybe it is one of those mechanical adjustments that make perfect sense. I’ll let Rick Adair decide. But to hope he stops doing it because it kind of looks, in a still image, similar to the motion of a completely different pitcher with a completely different body and completely different history is just plain stupid.

by acblue on Jul 15, 2009 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We were just talking about how this could affect his health.

by Mariner Melee on Jul 15, 2009 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

NOBODY HAS ANY IDEA WHETHER IT WILL OR NOT

That’s the point. “analysis” like this is bad because you don’t know the science behind the movements. And even if you do, there’s no way of saying conclusively X leads to Y in all cases.

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by pdb on Jul 15, 2009 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

But you shouldn't be.

by acblue on Jul 15, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

There has been no conclusive evidence that shows one pitching motion cause injury more than any other.

Look at Lincecum. This has been talked about to death. People may act like they’re experts, but as of today, we still don’t know shit about what is a more or less dangerous pitching motion.

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by BrettJMiller on Jul 15, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree.

Whether you believe there is a place for mechanical analysis from an injury prevention standpoint or not, you can’t jump to conclusions like that, especially before even breaking it down and seeing if it throws anything off. Even then, genetics and personal strength probably play the biggest role in pitching injuries, “bad” mechanics or not.

I will say I don’t like the hip rotation. I don’t see how that CAN’T be bad for the joint. But I’m not too worried at this point.

by JonBBT on Jul 15, 2009 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Everything pitchers do is bad for their joints so hey whatever

by Graham on Jul 15, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I heard some pitchers take Flintstone chewable vitamins before they pitch

that can’t be bad for you

by seattlebruin on Jul 15, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

they could crack a tooth!

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by pdb on Jul 15, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fucking Bedard and his glass teeth

don’t they know that ivory is the way to go?

by seattlebruin on Jul 15, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's just about enough out of you boys about Erik Bedard.

Hrmph.

by royalcurve on Jul 16, 2009 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love it when people say things like

I will say I don’t like the hip rotation

As a medical professional with a focus on biomechanics, you’ve probably got a unique perspective on what constitutes a good or bad hip rotation, right? What? You’re not a medical professional?

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by pdb on Jul 15, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah yes, this is why I try to avoid the comments section.

by r0ry on Jul 18, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because people make good points that make you feel bad?

Awwwwwwwww

by Graham on Jul 19, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have it on good authority that Bedard's hip issues stem from an unfortunate

locker room incident as a child where he was mistaken for a comely lass.

by Sec 108 on Jul 15, 2009 7:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

A comely lass?

Bedard’s injury happened in 1937?

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by pdb on Jul 15, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

well I used the straight French to English translation.

by Sec 108 on Jul 15, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

I am the laziest person in the entire world and there is a good chance I will have to have hip surgery at some point in time.

Sometimes joints aren’t durable.

by acblue on Jul 15, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dude you should totally change your mechanics

that’ll make all the difference. I’m an expert. I read about it on the internet.

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by pdb on Jul 15, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've noticed that the way you stand when playing guitar is putting pressure in your bursa sac.

by Sec 108 on Jul 15, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think the manner in which I prop my computer on my knee creates a load bearing issue.

by acblue on Jul 15, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You should go for an inverted B

that’ll make all the difference.

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by pdb on Jul 15, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by Graham on Jul 15, 2009 7:57 AM PDT reply actions 7 recs

I imagine Graham going senile and having these sorts of conversations with himself in old age

by seattlebruin on Jul 15, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

In old age?

by NOLAmarinergirl on Jul 15, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

YOUR FIREARMS ARE USELESS AGAINST THEM

by abender20 on Jul 15, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mechanical analysis as it pertains to injury risk is currently a fraud science.

Put no stock in it.

by Matthew on Jul 15, 2009 8:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Next you're going to tell me that phrenology's a fraud too

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by pdb on Jul 15, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now what will I do with my degree

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 15, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Your minor in alchemy might come in handy here

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by pdb on Jul 15, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Only if he wants to get really rich

by seattlebruin on Jul 15, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

WHAT? NO! IT CAN'T BE!

by Decatur on Jul 15, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tim Lincecum twists a bit ...

Maybe that is why we didn’t draft him and instead took the bigger and more fundamentally sound AAA pitcher, Brandon Morrow.

by HitKing69 on Jul 15, 2009 9:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Bill James on Morrow: "He's a guy who has Cy Young ability." Morrow was a good pick.

by Decatur on Jul 15, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What does Bill James know about scouting?

by Matthew on Jul 15, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough. I probably should've looked up some better supporting arguments. I didn't follow the draft in 2006, but I thought Morrow was considered a pretty good pick (though not the best choice). In any case, it's not worth rehashing now.

by Decatur on Jul 15, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Especially not defending Morrow against Matthew

you’d have better luck convincing me that Lopez is below replacement level

by seattlebruin on Jul 15, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Morrow was a fine pick, in a vacuum.

by Matthew on Jul 15, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

In a vacuum his lungs would have frozen and he'd have exploded and wouldn't have blown all those wins for us

by Graham on Jul 15, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs

Saves the club big time bucks on insulin shots.

by Matthew on Jul 15, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

But

Vacuum, Insulin or not …. Morrow doesn’t twist and ultimately with never have hip problems.

by HitKing69 on Jul 15, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If he would have paid more attention to his mechanics he'd probably still be alive

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by pdb on Jul 16, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Has he been doing this all year?

I just noticed this during the allstar game.

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by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 15, 2009 8:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

It was talked about how it looked different during the last Texas series.

Supposedly it is a new development.

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by Slow Country on Jul 15, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is this type of "mechanics analysis" just an annoyance to the regulars around here?

Or does it genuinely piss people off?

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.

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by baetown415 on Jul 16, 2009 9:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think it pisses Graham off

I just find it pretty but irrelevant.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 16, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pretty? or petty?

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.

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by baetown415 on Jul 17, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It annoys the hell out of me because it is anti-knowledge

by acblue on Jul 17, 2009 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think the proper term is pseudo-science

by OlSalty on Jul 19, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It can be two things.

by acblue on Jul 19, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I find myself getting pissed off by it

and the main reason is that unless someone is actually a doctor, has actually studied biomechanics, how joints load/unload under stress, and all that stuff, there is absolutely no earthly way a person can know what effect a particular motion has on a particular pitcher, or whether a change in motion will result in damage/injury.

For some reason, of all the instances of “I read about it on the internets so I’m an expert on it HERE’S WHAT I THINK” one encounters on the internet, this one gets under my skin the worst because there are people who have devoted their entire careers to this type of study who don’t actually have conclusive answers to the “what are the effects of this type of mechanics” questions, and yet some yahoo with an internet connection and a love for buzzwords thinks he knows the answers? No.

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by pdb on Jul 17, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs