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46-42, Game Notes

I'll be honest with you - today was supposed to be a happier day. The Mariners were supposed to win the series and come out of it knocking on the door of first place, with the Angels having struggled against a superior Yankees team. It was supposed to be the series that took the M's off the edge of the race and put them right in the middle of it. Instead, LAnaheim somehow swept New York and the M's find themselves still four back of the lead. That's annoying. On the other hand, there's nothing you can do about other people's games and the Mariners still took three of four from a team above them, so we don't need to dwell on the negative. It's just...dammit, Yankees.

  • After months of denial, I think it's time we just admit it: the 2009 Seattle Mariners play Angel baseball. Classic Angel baseball. The kind of baseball that feels hilarious to root for, and the kind of baseball that feels humiliating to lose to. If I were a Rangers fan, I'd probably be pretty pissed off right now. Think about some of the biggest plays this afternoon:

    -Andruw Jones lines into an awkward and fluky outfield double play in the first
    -Ichiro leads off the first with a bloop single and later scores the first run
    -Ronny Cedeno extends a rally with an infield single to the pitcher
    -Ichiro follows with an RBI infield single
    -Branyan follows with an RBI walk
    -Griffey reaches on a two-out error and later scores on a broken-bat single over short
    -Rob Johnson follows Chris Shelton's bloop with another RBI bloop to the same place

    The Rangers were patient against Erik Bedard, hit a couple homers, limited the M's to pretty weak contact, and lost. That has to be infuriating. I don't mean to suggest that they deserved to win, mind you - the Mariners got good pitching and some solid at bats and defensive plays when they needed them - but today's five runs rated a Mike's on a scale from wine coolers to lab-grade ethanol. 

  • It's getting to the point where I don't think I'll ever feel as comfortable about Erik Bedard as I did in that first at bat of 2008. I love his talent, and I know that when he's on top of his game he's arguably the best pitcher in baseball, but he just can't seem to settle into a steady groove. He'll look as sharp as ever in one start, but then the next time he takes the hill he'll come out and pitch like this. Bedard wasn't bad today. Let's make that clear. He overcame some early struggles and defensive miscues to throw 5.2 innings of effective, contact-deterring baseball. But while he threw 26 of his final 34 pitches for strikes, the first 59 offerings made him look all kinds of shaky. His control was all over the place (30 strikes, 29 balls) and he just couldn't seem to hit that spot in the inside corner against righties, and he was only able to get off the hook thanks to some good defense and timely swinging strikes.

    It's possible that this is the version of Erik Bedard we'll live with until his days as a Mariner are done. And that's by no means a problem. He's plenty good the way he is. But he'll just have these extended stretches where he looks so much better, and they always make me long for more. We know what Bedard can do when he's right. Back in 2007 he punched the league's balls up into its throat. All I want is to see that guy show up a little more often. God knows that's what we paid for. 

  • On a related note, Bedard threw a handful of good changeups today, using one to sit down Ian Kinsler to lead off the game and another to get ahead of Marlon Byrd. I almost forgot he had one. I think so did he.

  • All series long it felt like the Rangers were working with a game plan of pitching Russell Branyan hard inside. I don't know if that's a good idea, or even if it was true in the first place, but if it was, I imagine it was a reaction to the fact that he's been so good when he's gotten his arms extended. Working him in shortens his swing, which could, I dunno, make him worse. Of note is that he pounded an inside pitch deep into the RF stands last night. I'm not used to seeing him pull the ball like that, but he showed that he's certainly capable.

  • Whenever Kenji Johjima has to come out to the mound to talk to the pitcher, it's because they're not on the same page. Whenever Rob Johnson has to come out to the mound to talk to the pitcher, as he did on several occasions with Bedard today, it's because he's trying to calm him down. People have really taken this Rob-Johnson-has-mad-intangibles thing and run with it. Which, hey, who knows, he might. It's possible that Johnson really is such a good catcher that he improves the performance of the pitching staff. But given that Kenji's a better hitter, a better thrower, and no worse of a blocker, you better be pretty damn sure about yourself if you want to give Rob more playing time. It would really help his case if he could hit a couple more dingers.

  • Ken Griffey Jr. is seeing fewer pitches in the zone now than he did in his first couple seasons as a Red. I don't know how often we've heard the broadcasters say "and (Pitcher X) wanted no part of Griffey right there" after a walk. Which should tell you a little something about how much pitchers care about the scouting reports, at least when it comes to facing an icon. Team scouts and analysts could tell the day's starter that Griffey is dead, clinically dead, and the Mariners had to roll him into the batter's box in a wheelbarrow, and he doesn't even have a bat, and the pitcher would still freak out because it's Ken Griffey Jr! and nibble around the edges.

  • Miguel Batista needed all of nine pitches to allow a home run and record four outs. The outing was like a little bouillon cube of his Mariner career.

  • Not the greatest day for Jack Hannahan, who got charged with two errors and deserved a third all in the span of eight batters, and went 0-4 at the plate. He also made some nifty stops, so it wasn't a total loss, but if it weren't for Bedard bearing down and escaping some jams, he'd probably be drawing a lot more criticism for his performance. I love how every time a player commits an error he, without fail, will look at his glove. It's like when a player swings and misses and looks at his bat. Guess what: it's not the glove or the bat that's defective. It's you. Maybe what you should be looking at instead is your brain. Which can be troublesome, but there are always MRI machines available, and I'm sure Bedard's got a couple by his locker.

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"but today's five runs rated a Mike's on a scale from wine coolers to lab-grade ethanol."

One of many quotes in this article that sums up why I love Lookout Landing so much.

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by Fin on Jul 12, 2009 8:35 PM PDT reply actions  

"Ronny Cedeno picks up an RBI infield single""

His wasn’t an RBI, just loaded the bases for Ichiro. Branyan’s bases loaded walk might fit into that list too, though

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by gregrabble on Jul 12, 2009 8:43 PM PDT reply actions  

"After months of denial, I think it's time we just admit it: the 2009 Seattle Mariners play Angel baseball."

Welcome to the Dark Side. :D

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Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Jul 12, 2009 9:04 PM PDT reply actions  

...Yeah, sure.

*2008 results not typical. Side effects of Angels baseball may include dizziness, drymouth, accusations of ‘luck’, being ignored by ESPN, and losing to the Red Sox in the playoffs. >_>

#34 Forever
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Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Jul 12, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

God it must be tough being in the LA media market.

How do you guys get any air time at all out there in the desert?

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks. Working a job that gets me up at 4 in the morning, central time, means

I haven’t had as much time to post places as I would like, here or HH.

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by TheOptimist on Jul 12, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but I tend to hang out in the game topics.

And those tend to only be around for a few hours. :)

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Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Jul 12, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is going to be a tough season to play out.

We are certainly in the running in the West. Come on Angels, fail already. I don’t know much help Z can find here. Certainly a power, left-hand hitting defensive SS would be ideal, I just can’t find that guy. I’m guessing if Z can find him Bedard is gone (or at least I hope he’s gone). Washburn is also expendable, but Bedard first, if you have to throw in Wash that works too. I hope can find what I cannot. We’re still not out of contenttion, although it will take a little bit of magic to win the West.

by Sinking Away on Jul 12, 2009 9:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Interesting quotes from Jim Street on Mariners defense, you might be surprise to hear this.

on seattlemariners.com

Jim Street wrote:

The Mariners went into the three-day All-Star break on Monday with a winning record and involved in a three-team race in the AL West. They have overcome injuries, bereavements and slumps, rank last in the AL in defense but first in pitching. As long as the pitching holds up, the defense improves and the situational hitting remains solid, there’s a good chance that Mariners fans will be treated to a fun-filled second half.

What defensive stat did he use to come up with the conclusion that the M’s are last in defense in the AL?

by brian_sun on Jul 12, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions  

He most likely used the common mainstream defense metrics, errors and fielding percentage.

By those measures alone yes we’re probably one of the worst defensive units in baseball. What those metrics don’t measure is how well a team gets to balls in play, which a stat like RZR or UZR measures.

by BrianL on Jul 12, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only problem though.

Is that then the average fan will actually think our defense is bad and be mad because we’re built for defense. Then again, I would hope the average fan sees our outfield and 3rd base and realizes field % is stupid.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Jul 12, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not likely.

I got into an argument with a guy a while ago because he thought Adrian Beltre was bad at defense because he makes too many errors. Also that Yuni was a great player, and Jose Lopez was the second best second basemen in the AL behind Pedroia.

A lot of fans, like a lot of people, aren’t all that smart. They tend to believe what the writers say.

by Vatinius on Jul 12, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jim Street IS a bad beat writer...

I really really really wish Corey Brock hadn’t been able to land the dream job in San Diego. Didn’t Street come out of retirement to re-claim the job or something like that???

Jim Street make Geoff Baker look like Joe Posnaski…

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by PositivePaul on Jul 12, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jarrod Washburn's quote from the same article:

Can the pitching be as good the second half as it was in the first half? “I think we can be as good, but I am not sure we can be any better,” Washburn said. “I don’t know that Felix can be better than he has been. I don’t think I can be better than I have been. I think Bedard could do better, just because when he gets healthy he will be able to go deeper into games. I don’t know if the bullpen can be any better because it has been so good anyway. Everyone has been pitching so well and everyone has to work hard to continue to do that.”

Trade him now, even himself doesn’t think he can pitch any better in the second half.

by brian_sun on Jul 12, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Uh...
-Griffey reaches on a two-out error and later scores on a broken-bat single over short

Griffey didn’t score. Josh Wilson, who ran for him, did.

by I Lick Squirrels on Jul 12, 2009 9:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Hmm...
I love how every time a player commits an error he, without fail, will look at his glove. It’s like when a player swings and misses and looks at his bat. Guess what: it’s not the glove or the bat that’s defective. It’s you. Maybe what you should be looking at instead is your brain

Don’t we all do that, though? I used to play pool seriously. If I screwed up an easy shot you would have seen me break loose the joint in my cue and reseat it…and probably chalk up, even if if there was no miscue.

When we were young and got screwed by Battletoads we threw the controller across the room in anger. I don’t think it’s really blaming the equipment, it’s trying to make sense of how our input failed to properly translate.

by Sidi on Jul 12, 2009 10:13 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Fuck Battletoads.

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 12, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Instrumentalists do this too

Clarinetists and saxophonists are notorious for fiddling with their reed if the squeak.

by Robert Lintott on Jul 13, 2009 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would guess, now is this is a huge guess and it's probably completely wrong!

But I would guess it’s because he’s no longer on the Mariners

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by gregrabble on Jul 12, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think other than a few bad starts in May, Jamie has been

pitching OK. He’s 46, and he’s a 5, 6 inning pitcher now. He’s OK as a 5th starter, but they have such an incredible offense that he may win 15 or 16 games with a 6 ERA. He’s the anti-washburn in the run support department.

by brian_sun on Jul 13, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Armando Galarraga

Vicente Padilla, Trevor Cahill, Livan Hernandez, Kyle Davies, Micah Owings, Brian Tallet, Todd Wellemeyer, Shairon Martis, Kevin Millwood, Bronson Arroyo, Scott Kazmir, Fausto Carmona, Andy Pettitte, Brandon McCarthy, Matt Harrison, Chris Young, Andy Sonnanstine, Ian Snell, David Huff, Jeremy Guthrie, Tim Wakefield, Jon Garland, Jarrod Washburn, Barry Zito and Jeff Niemann all show you to be wrong.

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by Matthew on Jul 13, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know they are 2 separate trades.

But does Franklin Gutierrez made up for BOTH Asdrubal Cabrera and Luis Valbuena? In other words, is Franklin G’s value equal or less than those 2 players combined? Not that the Indians will ever do it, but if Cleveland offer those 2 players for Franklin G, would Jack Z take it?

by brian_sun on Jul 13, 2009 12:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Oops, I forgot we also gave Cleveland Shin-soo chu in a different trade.

Boy, that guy sure would look pretty good in LF right about now. 402 OBP and 882 OPS. We gave him up for what? That’s 3 players we could really use in the Cleveland lineup. Thanks, Bill Bavasi.

by brian_sun on Jul 13, 2009 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Choo

dear God, he is Korean, not Chinese

by seattlebruin on Jul 13, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Regardless, he's just a young player with old player skills

drawing tons of walks, strikes out a lot and hit some HR. He’s their Russell Branyan.

by brian_sun on Jul 13, 2009 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's not really what old player skills are.

Because he also has 13 stolen bases (speed) and hits for average. An explanation of what old player skills are can be found here.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jul 13, 2009 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Banned.

The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!

by JamMasterJesus on Jul 13, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can see why people piss people off on purpose.

And I’m fully aware of his awesomeness. Don’t worry.

The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!

by JamMasterJesus on Jul 13, 2009 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Look, I don't want to talk bad about a player who's been through some very

unfortunate personal trageties in the last couple years, but I can’t wait to see him in a different uniform. His game hasn’t really improved much in the last several years, while his defense has regressed. Maybe not as bad as Betancourt, but he’s part of the problem, not part of the solution

by brian_sun on Jul 13, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are demonstrably incorrect.

Jose Lopez projects to be about a league average, to slightly above, player. And he makes very little money.

by Matthew on Jul 13, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

But that's not what he is.

He has a lot of speed, hits a lot of doubles, etc. He doesn’t even strike out that much. Adam Dunn is a 3 true outcomes player. Shin Soo Choo is just a good player, who happens to have some numbers in those categories.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jul 13, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and Choo's numbers are inflated a bit by that park in Cleveland or whatever they are doing to rack up the numbers

Anyway, while the Choo, Rafael Soriano moves seem not so smart, giving away Asdrubal Cabrera was Bavasi’s real bonehead. Not to mention Adam Jones and Sherril! Wait a minute, the list goes on and on….

by Sam Regens on Jul 13, 2009 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

the Choo trade would have been okay if we were playing Broussard, which we weren't.

The Soriano trade was awful, not just “not so smart.” I think it is fair to lump that in with Cabrera, Bedard, etc.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jul 13, 2009 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Both the Choo and Cabrera trades were defensible at the time

since Choo looked like a bust and we got a badly needed pinch hitter for Cabrera when we were in a playoff race.

It’s just bad luck that they’ve both turned into very good players (though we seemed to think Cabrera was going to be good all along)

by seattlebruin on Jul 13, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, they really werent.

Having an area of need doesn’t mean ANYTHING’s defensible as long as you’re trying to fix it.

Trading Saunders/Pineda/Ramirez for Jason Kendall would not be defensible, even if our catchers suck. Trading Carp for Hannahan would’ve been bad, whereas Souza for Hannahan is fine.

by marc w on Jul 13, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who's 'they'?

Bavasi? Yeah, sure, fair point. Bavasi thought Asdrubal Cabrera and Oswaldo Navarro were equivalent talents, which is why I don’t think Bavasi gets a say in how defensible the trade was.

by marc w on Jul 13, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Touche

but at that point of my baseball fandom, “they,” e.g. Bavasi, et. al made up for most of my opinions on our prospects

by seattlebruin on Jul 13, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cabrera wasn't playing in an area of need.

Hindsight’s 20/20, but at the time Lopez and Yuni were thought of as the future of the M’s. There was nowhere for Cabrera to play.

Choo didn’t look like he was going to be anything good, and upgrading from Crazy Carl to Broussard/Perez was worth it for two guys that were either blocked or not likely to pan out.

Obviously it didn’t work like that but the trades were very defensible in my opinion

Go Nova

by dbroncos31 on Jul 13, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Again, we have an area of need, and an area of 'surplus' or whatever now.

Is ANY catcher worth, oh, Mike Carp?
We have a number of intriguing arms in high A. Can we trade one for Yamid Haad?

There’s perhaps nothing wrong with the idea of the trade, but talent matters.
(The Broussard trade was much, much better in my mind, and it’s possible that I’m still pissed off that the trades were seen as defensible SOLELY BECAUSE Bavasi fucked up the DH slot in the first place with the Everett pick-up).

by marc w on Jul 13, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

It sucks that they basically were traded because Bavasi was dumb enough to think Everett was a good solution, but at the time I thought the trades were okay. We were sacrificing the future to win now a little bit, but Cabrera seemed expendable due to Yuni and Lopez’s awesomeness.

While at the time the reasoning was okay, it was just more of Bavasi’s love for trading young talent for VETERANS! when you look at it along with his other moves.

Go Nova

by dbroncos31 on Jul 13, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, in the case of this trade, I felt as though hindisght was okay analysis.

It did look good at the time, but it looked good when the assumption was that he was going to play – that he would DH, or maybe take the place of Sexson. When it turned out he was an unused bench player even while our DH and 1B struggled, that was where it turned into a bad trade.

Kind of like trading Michael Saunders for Hanley Ramirez, and then using Hanley as a backup catcher during weekend games. It’s not always good to judge a trade by its results, but the way they used Broussard makes the trade make considerably less sense.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jul 13, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

As with Perez though, I think Broussard seemed like he was something he wasn't

based on the fact that he’d had a kick-ass April/May.

We certainly never used him all that well, but he basically hit what you might reasonably expect – around a .320/.325 wOBA. I’m not saying Choo could’ve done better in 2006 (though he might’ve), just that it if you’re looking for a platoon DH who, if things break right, is maybe slightly better than league average with the bat, you’ve got options. Choose one that doesn’t require you giving up actual talent.
Again, I didn’t think it was THAT bad, just because Choo was very clearly never going to be a contributor here (thanks again, Bavasi/Hargrove!), but still. This is like trading Saunders or Carp for a 30-year old platoon DH who might conceivably wOBA .335.

by marc w on Jul 13, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

So I think we agree it was a bad trade.

But for different reasons. However, the general consensus at the time, even on LL, was that it was pretty sweet. But as I stated it was sweet because we were expected to use him, something they never even bothered to do, regardless of how he ended up performing.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jul 13, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right! I had a total brainfade and thought we gave away Choo for free.

Completely forgot it was for Broussard. Just Broussard’s finger pointing to the dugout was worth more than what Choo gave us.

Yeah Choo got some nice numbers with the Indians, buit who doesn’t?

by Sam Regens on Jul 13, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

should be

Yeah Choo’s got some nice numbers with the Indians, but who doesn’t?

by Sam Regens on Jul 13, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm. My view at the time...

The sum of the parts (Choo+Drubes—>Broussard+Perez) was more “meh” then “GRR” to me, but I hated giving up Drubes. He was an excellent defender with a great batting eye in the middle infield. Choo was extraneous, but not completely value-less. I thought they might’ve been able to get some more value out of those two (hence my “meh” grade) but Bavasi should have just never dropped Roberto Petagine in the first place (and Hargrove should’ve given him much, much more playing time).

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by PositivePaul on Jul 13, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Watching Tillman pitch in the Futures Game made me want to put razor to my wrists.

But in all seriousness, do we even have a SP for the future in our system? Aumont has such great stuff that I think he could be one of the best prospects in baseball. Can we still make him a SP or are they completely sure that he belongs in the BP?

by russak on Jul 13, 2009 1:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Pribanic and Lorin as well, and maybe Adcock plus Cortes

which brings up an interesting question for someone like marc or JY – do we actually have good starting pitching prospects in A-ball or do we just focus on those guys because our upper minors are so utterly devoid of starting pitching talent?

by seattlebruin on Jul 13, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

re: "But given that Kenji's a better hitter"

FUN FACT!
ZiPS ROS wOBA projection for Johjima: .286
ZiPS ROS wOBA projection for Johnson: .289

2009 LD%,BABIP, Johjima: 10.3%, .255
2009 LD%,BABIP, Johnson: 22.1%, .272

by marc w on Jul 13, 2009 9:13 AM PDT reply actions  

I think that's totally fair.

I just wonder if Kenji isn’t just as broken as a hitter at this point. I mean, I believe his projection, esp. considering his 2008 and his LD rate. I also have to say I don’t really remember Johnson hitting 22% line drives; categorizing balls in play still seems fishy to me.

Johjima’s defensive surge this year is sort of amazing (CS% over 50%), so the one area where the M’s seemed to think Johnson had the edge is pretty demonstrably not true.

by marc w on Jul 13, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if Kenji were only a .650 OPS bat these days

I just…it’s hard to see Johnson pulling that off. But more power to him if he can.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rob Johnson is running .221 LD rate?!

are they counting ground balls as line drives now? =(

by seattlebruin on Jul 13, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

What the hell did they do?

This is what I get when I go to StatCorner

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by seattlebruin on Jul 13, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo
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Reason:

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by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Statcorner's got him at 16.3%.

So, three different answers. Awesome.

(Statcorner has Johjima at 12.7%, so there are definitely some differences in categorization. Wonder if fangraphs is including fliners in the ld% and the others aren’t. That wouldn’t explain Kenji, though).

by marc w on Jul 13, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

That hit was the very definition fliner

how are you seeing what hits were classified as what on FanGraphs?

by seattlebruin on Jul 13, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

He has been hitting some fairly non-threatening liners lately.

He hit two almost identical liners yesterday, for example. Kinsler caught one and just barely missed the other.

by abender20 on Jul 13, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Baseball related banter is almost always on-topic/OK

also, I hope Jim Riggleman learned his lesson and doesn’t sweep the season-ending series to lose Harper this time around

by seattlebruin on Jul 13, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually I would prefer that front-page threads stay on topic

This is the sort of thing that would deserve a fanpost of its own. Or just a discussion in the fanshot that’s already open.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 13, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was all part of his evil plan.

He pushed the Mariners to win that last series, so the Nationals could have Strasburg. And then he would become manager.

by M'sin.. on Jul 13, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs showed Jarrod Washburn has been extremely valuable in the 1st half.

His WAR so far this year is 2.1, which places him the 5th most valuable Mariners this year, after Felix, Ichiro, FG, and Russell Branyan. His value in terms of $ so far is $9.5M, and he’s projected 17.5M this year. His value since he signed the 4 year 37.2M deal to date is 29.7M. If he can get to his projection of 17.5M this year, Jarrod Washburn’s value over the 4 year he was with the M’s would be: $37.8M, about exactly what he’s making over the life of his contract.

No, Washburn isn’t the worst signing. Jarrod Washburn has been a valuable signing up to this point. At the beginning of the signing, it might not be very bright, but Jarrod Washburn has performed just about what his contract said he would perform, and that’s averaging about +2 wins per year in terms of WAR. That’s not bad at all.

by brian_sun on Jul 13, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Giving that kind of money over that many years to a mediocre starting pitcher in his mid 30s is retarded.

Just because it hasn’t turned out as terribly as it could have doesn’t mean it wasn’t a terrible idea.

The Washburn signing was stupid, he’s probably not going to end the year as a four win player, and I don’t even know what point it is you are trying to make.

by Aaron Campeau on Jul 13, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

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