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Biggest Contribution: Erik Bedard, +23.5%
Biggest Suckfest: Jack Hannahan, -26.2%
Most Important AB: Shelton single, +21.3%
Most Important Pitch: Cruz homer, -17.0%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): +31.1%
Total Contribution by Lineup: +14.9%
Total Contribution by Opposition: +4.0%
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Two games and Hannahan is already a suckfest.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 12, 2009 4:28 PM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Two games and Hannahan is already a suckfest.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 12, 2009 4:28 PM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Oops.

You got slurved!

Hehehe Mark Reynolds is so awesome.

by Slurvey on Jul 12, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry

He has a great TBERA

by Ballard Erik on Jul 12, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Batista getting the W

W for WANKER

I hate it when undeserving pitchers get the win.

by Charles Gipson is a Mangod on Jul 12, 2009 4:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Somewhere

Kevin Slowey sheds a single tear.

by Ballard Erik on Jul 12, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Striking guys out and not walking anyone.

He got lucky with wins, sure, but he’s still quite good.

by Teej on Jul 12, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

He has good control, but he is an extreme flyball pitcher who doesn’t have a very sexy FIP

by Ballard Erik on Jul 12, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm looking at tRA.

His FIP is above average anyway. 5.00 K/BB despite a few terrible starts when he was obviously hurt. He’s not the best pitcher in the world, and the flyballs will hurt him sometimes, but this isn’t a junkballer. He has an above-average K rate and walks nobody.

by Teej on Jul 12, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FIP tends to underrate non-strikeout guys

and tRA scales them much more accurately

by seattlebruin on Jul 12, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't buy that

Wins have to have a reasonable correlation to successful pitching ability, even if there are better ways to determine the abilities of a pitcher then wins

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jul 12, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You see what I did there?

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jul 12, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Starting pitchers, yeah, given a million caveats.

Win-vulture relievers, not so sure.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jul 12, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wooo - glad you enjoyed it!

I am super envious!

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 12, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the Angels swept the Yankees!

Good Sunday.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 12, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are just a ball of contradictions

what are you going to do with yourself when Seattle gets good enough to seriously threaten the Angels?

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 12, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES

I must say that it seemed a lot more full than it normally did (IE earlier in the year + the last five years).

People are starting to get excited again…

by Omerta on Jul 12, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I had to park farther out than normal, especially for a Sunday.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 12, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woo

You got slurved!

Hehehe Mark Reynolds is so awesome.

by Slurvey on Jul 12, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

46-42 in the first half.

Not bad Mariners. Not bad at all.

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 12, 2009 5:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am a glass half empty kind of guy.

The Mariners are -18 runs in RS / RA department. They have been extremely lucky in 1 run games. The bullpen has been lucky as hell. You are not going to have 3 starters stay at below 3 ERA. Branyan is regressing, Franklin is overperforming based on BABIP. And after starting the season 12-6, the Mariners have actually been performing below 500 at 34-36. 34-36 is the right winning percentage based on RS / RA. This is a below average baseball team, folks.

by brian_sun on Jul 12, 2009 5:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I question

That the West is weak, although mediocre might be right. The West has a darn good record particularly against the East, so far.

Not to mention kudos for the M’s pitching this series.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Jul 12, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

People here are always going to be ultimate downers though

If we ever win a World Series you guys are going to be picking the hell out of the team and predicting ultimate failure.

by OceanBird on Jul 12, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but when shit is going well, most of the people here still get excited

Just look at Jeff’s posts after Thursday night’s win.

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by gregrabble on Jul 12, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have cats at my house, wouldn't have to take it to the street

I guess I have an advantage in that department

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by gregrabble on Jul 12, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lucky

usually my housecat says its tired and pretends to falll asleep.

by Ballard Erik on Jul 12, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's probably a little overboard.

People here are nothing if not RABID M’s fans.

One can be critical and still hope and pray for a successful squad to grace our presence every once in a blue moon.

by Omerta on Jul 12, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is false

we would all be in beer comas for 6 months from celebrating.

[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]

by bluemax on Jul 12, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nick Adenhart?

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Jul 12, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jesus....

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jul 12, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just realized how that seems.

I meant that was pretty unlucky. But on the field they’ve been extremely lucky.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Jul 12, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is excellent.

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 12, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are using the original pythagorean record calculation

The most up to date Pythagorean record calculation uses a dummy variable called GRIFFEY1!!!! which is an adjustment of 8.4 wins which is why your calculations are off

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jul 12, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since July 11 we're 2-0.

Undefeated!

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Jul 12, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is common knowledge in baseball that how you play after

Jeff Bagwell and Frank Thomas’ Birthday is what really matters.

by Sec 108 on Jul 13, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

For some reason I remember that 12-6 start being made a big deal because it increased are playoff odds greatly. And it was mentioned on several occasions that playing .500 ball from that point on could be all that is needed. Well, guess what? Those people have so far been correct in their analysis.

Now if we could somehow figure out who those people were? Hmm…

by Wilder. on Jul 12, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BaseRuns, coming into today

RS: 362
RA: 360

You’re misinformed.

by Matthew on Jul 12, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy shit really?

I thought our pitching was not as good as our hitting is bad. Or wait, that must be with fielding figured in. Anyway, wooo,

Though, to be fair, we’re still overplaying the pythag. Not by much, not at all, but we are.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 12, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, you guys take pythagoran seriously?

Garbage statistic. I don’t have a problem with many stats, but pythag? Bill James sucks.

by OceanBird on Jul 12, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you use cERA as well?

You got slurved!

Hehehe Mark Reynolds is so awesome.

by Slurvey on Jul 12, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think most people here take Pythag record with a grain of salt.

It’s got problems but so does everything else. What’ss you beef in particular?

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 12, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pythag is a quick and dirty formula to figure out expected wins.

It’s not perfect, but for something you can guesstimate in your head in ten seconds, it’s not half bad

by seattlebruin on Jul 12, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

God damn, looks like we're in for more of the Angels winning

They play Oakland followed by Kansas City after the break.

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by gregrabble on Jul 12, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

God I hope they get swept by both teams.

Not just so we gain ground but also so they realize they’re not this good.

I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.

by Hopefulmsfan on Jul 12, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Branyan has been significantly better than Pena in nearly every category

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by gregrabble on Jul 12, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Maddon is an idiot

He already made terrible picks, and now he proves he’s a homer. Figgins and Kinsler should have gotten in before Branyan. But yeah, I hope Maddon breaks his ankle running out of the dugout during a pitching change. As if his frosted white hair and glasses weren’t bad…

by OceanBird on Jul 12, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

No

Because since the Rays won the WS, they get to pick their own guys. In fact, I am not surprised that the WS is marketed in that respect.
Because you want to see them undeservingly make the All-Star team next season…this time, it counts!

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 12, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Make it to the WS.

Whatever.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 12, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's only a big deal because players generally get bonuses for going to the ASG.

Branyan deserves a bonus for what he has done this season, but so do dozens of other players.

by Wilder. on Jul 12, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the M's almost signed Mr. Zito

for 99M. Thank god. If that went through, we would have 3.5 more years of Zito to go in his contract, and we would be set back even further.

by brian_sun on Jul 12, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I actually wanted that signing to happen,

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That offseason was the first that I began to explore USSM, LL and other more . . . advanced sources of information.

I admit, I was pretty shocked to hear people say that signing Zito would be a disaster. I didn’t think it was a no-brainer to sign him, but I didn’t think it would be terrible either. But I read enough and came around. That offseason convinced me that there’s something to all these easy-to-make-fun-of acronyms.

by Teej on Jul 12, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd have to say my logic follows with yours.

I was disappointed at the time. I was also disappointed that the Mariners couldn’t pull the trigger on Jason Schmidt too. On the one hand, Bavasi’s lack of negotiating skills saved us from some suck, but I believe it ultimately led to a whole lot more suck.

2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4

by Fin on Jul 12, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also really wanted us to sign Schmidt.

Woops.

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 12, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same here, except (and you all can tar and feather me for this)

the reason why I wanted Zito was because he….was rated 90+ in some old EA Sports baseball game I had for PC and generally gave me hell in franchise mode. Woo.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mr. Rabble

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles

by Trenchtown on Jul 12, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoy the fact that we are 4 games above .500 again.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 7:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This has always confused me

Aren’t we only two games over .500? It’s not like two games just disappear if we assume they weren’t won.

by Tube on Jul 12, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many games would it take to return to .500?

It would take 4 losses for the Mariner’s to be back to .500 therefore, they are 4 games over .500

by mwalter on Jul 12, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was my same reaction.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It weirds me out, too.

We’re four games over .500, but a .500 team would be two games behind us in the standings.

by Teej on Jul 12, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now I'm looking at this, and looking at this. I have to go now before I break my brain.

I’ve thought about this before, and had it all sorted out. Now you’re putting me back into spin cycle.

by Kermit. on Jul 12, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Games over .500 is "how many more wins do you have than losses"

games behind is “if the trailing team were to win every game and the leading team to lose every game, how long would it take for them to be even?”

The Mariners are 46-42, so four games over .500.

If the Angels were to lose their next four games and the Mariners won them, both the Angels and the Mariners would be tied at eight games over .500 – thus we are currently four games out of first.

by seattlebruin on Jul 12, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always thought somebody could make a good "Who's on first" type routine out of this

Abbott and Costello had another routine, where Abbott works out their ages so he’s eventually older than Costello (or vice versa, I forget which was the younger one).

by Kermit. on Jul 12, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait... why?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 12, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems that Chris Shelton's goatee is uneven.

"You're so beautiful. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job."

by nickmo on Jul 12, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah me too he's so much sexier.

You got slurved!

Hehehe Mark Reynolds is so awesome.

by Slurvey on Jul 12, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, Jim Street said the M's are last in AL in defense. What statistics showed M's are last in defense, number of errors?

On seattlemariners.com

Jim Street said this:

The Mariners went into the three-day All-Star break on Monday with a winning record and involved in a three-team race in the AL West. They have overcome injuries, bereavements and slumps, rank last in the AL in defense but first in pitching.

As long as the pitching holds up, the defense improves and the situational hitting remains solid, there’s a good chance that Mariners fans will be treated to a fun-filled second half.

Also, interesting quote from Jarrod Washburn:

Can the pitching be as good the second half as it was in the first half?

“I think we can be as good, but I am not sure we can be any better,” Washburn said. "I don’t know that Felix can be better than he has been. I don’t think I can be better than I have been. I think Bedard could do better, just because when he gets healthy he will be able to go deeper into games.

“I don’t know if the bullpen can be any better because it has been so good anyway. Everyone has been pitching so well and everyone has to work hard to continue to do that.”

by brian_sun on Jul 12, 2009 9:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's ESPN's MLB Team Fielding Stats

They have the Ms 3rd worst after the Nats and the Diamondbacks.

Note also that ESPN’s Individual Player Fielding Stats (qualified) are
  1B Russell Branyan: 3rd worst
  2B Jose Lopez: Worst
  3B Adrian Beltre: Bottom half
  SS Yuniesky Bettancourt: 5th worst
  CF Franklin Guttierez: 5th worst
  RF Ichiro Suzuki: Bottom half

So these stats are a joke.

by LauraBu on Jul 12, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How the fuck do they figure Franklin Gutierrez 5th worst?

He’s been the second best defender in all of baseball behind Nyjer Morgan

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by gregrabble on Jul 13, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Washburn's right, the pitching isn't going to get any better.

That’s part of the reason both he and Bedard need to be traded. We’ve got their pitching in relief right now. We need some dependable offense, and hpefully a SS with both defense and offense.

by Sinking Away on Jul 12, 2009 9:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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