Brandon Morrow Is Off To Tacoma
Busy day on Twitter. Both Baker and Drayer have confirmed it, and nothing more. I imagine this is to make room for Hannahan.
Update: here's a bunch more information.
According to Don [the reason behind the demotion] is to improve his breaking ball and to change speeds better. It also means to think more like a starting pitcher and to have the presence and command on the mound to take his game into his own hands.
When asked last night why he did not throw his curve, Morrow answered, because it was not called or he did not shake to it. I asked Kenji why he did not call it and he told me because Morrow did not get ahead in the count enough to throw it. Kenji sees it now as an out pitch, and as Brandon gets more confidence in it, it can turn into a pitch he starts hitters out with. As for not shaking to it, Wak puts the responsibility on the pitcher in that situation.
The answer may lie in Morrow’s off-speed pitches and his ability to throw them for strikes. Against Texas, however, his change-up was in-and-out – and he never threw a curve.
“He felt like he just didn’t have a feel for it. He felt like it just spun out of his hand,” Wakamatsu said. “When he throws a good one, it’s an awfully good pitch. If he can harness that, I think you’re going to see a more complete pitcher.”
"We don't need a fifth starter after the break until July 25," manager Don Wakamatsu said. "We fan slide Garrett Olson into the rotation after the break until we make any other decision.
"We're sending Brandon out with specific goals, to improve his secondary pitches and continue to work on pitch efficiency. As I told him a few minutes ago, he's a big part of our close future. We stretched him out up here, he worked with (pitching coach) Rick Adair. Now he's got a definitive plan to work on."
So much for that talk about Morrow's present value the other day. I definitely support the team's decision, here, and I'm ecstatic that they finally - finally - seem committed to getting him some real work in the minors, but last night's start was disappointing, due to both the implications for Morrow and the implications for the season. Having Morrow build off of his Boston start would've been of great help, but now we'll have to be patient and hope that Olson can step up in his place.
I think what's most exciting is that Brandon's probably going to put a lot of work into developing his curveball. Remember this? We've barely seen that pitch all season long, and if he can come back from Tacoma later on with that firmly being part of his arsenal, then that's going to be awesome. Obviously I'd like to see him improve all of his pitches, but when it's working his curve might be my favorite pitch in baseball, and I don't know what I'd do if I never got to see it again.
So long, Brandon Morrow. I'm sure this probably sucks, but if you work hard enough in AAA, you'll be better because of it, and you'll earn your way back in short order. I wish you all the best. Make us proud.
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WHY CAN'T WE MAKE A DECISION
Brandon Morrow’s head must feel like a well-used top.
Well I'm probably in the minority here but I'm happy
Unless we make a trade it hurts us in the short-term but I want him to get better than he is now for the future.
I'm quite happy
Olson, Vargas, and RRS might not be much better, but at this point I’d rather see any of them starting to give Brandon a chance to actually work some stuff out.
And I just really want Hyphen to come back.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 11, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
You shut your whore mouth!
He’s going to go down there and they’re going to turn him into mini-Felix! Amirite?!
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by section331 on Jul 11, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
True ... I assume this means that RRS will be back as well after the ASB.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 11, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
There are some dumb people on Bakers blog
Someone said this:
“well if this is the type of moves that Jack Z is going to make, then i hope he is fired, because this is pathetic, we are clearly in this thing, and we need help offensively, upgrading at defense is not going to help because this offense cant score, and after felix wash and sometimes bedard, we struggle with the 4 and 5 starters, and upgrading at defense isnt going to make them win”
Reading the comments on Bakers blog is like shit for the eyes.
2009 Safeco Field Record: 5-0 ; Overall Safeco Field Record: 9-4
Yeah thats the guy I was arguing with for a while, Nelson, he's an idiot
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Reading Baker's blog Comments... well it just makes me sooooo happy I started reading USSM/LL years ago.
Honestly, at this point I think it's pretty passe to bitch about Baker's comment section.
It’s like making fun of a retarded person. There’s no sport in it.
I don't know how to stop.
Larry LaRue
“We don’t need a fifth starter after the break until July 25,” manager Don Wakamatsu said. "We can slide Garrett Olson into the rotation after the break until we make any other decision.
“We’re sending Brandon out with specific goals, to improve his secondary pitches and continue to work on pitch efficiency. As I told him a few minutes ago, he’s a big part of our close future. We stretched him out up here, he worked with (pitching coach) Rick Adair. Now he’s got a definitive plan to work on.”
This makes no sense.
Vargas, RRS and Morrow are all much better starting options than Olson, and Olson has been much better out of the pen.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 11, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe they will send Olson down for Vargas/RRS after the break?
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 11, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Wak is saying they're keeping Vargas down to monitor his innings after not throwing last year
Don’t really know what their plans are with RRS.
I would imagine Wilson goes away
and one of Olson/RRS goes to the pen, if they are planning on monitoring Vargas’s innings.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 11, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I have only seen Wilson once the entire time he has been here.
I have no idea what he is still doing on the team.
Wilson: “Foot massage Mr. Griffey Jr. sir?”
Junior: “How ’d you get in here kid?”
Wilson: “I’m 28 sir”
Junior: “…”
by Mariner Melee on Jul 11, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
So Morrow has shaky command with his offspeed stuff, but good grief.
I’m not a fan of Johjima
Seeing it is one thing, hearing him actually say it?
Reminds of the Mike Sweeney spring training story, where he asked the guys what the opposing pitcher was throwing that day and nobody could tell him.
JESUS CHRIST JOHJIMA WTF?
When asked last night why he did not throw his curve, Morrow answered, because it was not called or he did not shake to it. I asked Kenji why he did not call it and he told me because Morrow did not get ahead in the count enough to throw it. Kenji sees it now as an out pitch, and as Brandon gets more confidence in it, it can turn into a pitch he starts hitters out with. As for not shaking to it, Wak puts the responsibility on the pitcher in that situation.
BENDY THINGS ARE GOOD YOU RETARD
by Decatur on Jul 11, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Starting to think there's something to this
All of our pitchers hate working with Kenji
by calim on Jul 11, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing about this implies that Morrow hates working with Kenji
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough
But we know Felix and Washburn don’t like it, and Morrow’s response sounds like he’s perfectly willing to pass the buck. Doesn’t seem like a great working relationship.
It shouldn't matter at all
The pitcher is the one who ultimately gets to decide what pitch he throws, the catcher is just making suggestions.
You'd think
But there clearly is something about Joh that Felix and Washburn dislike. Jeff’s right, though, it’s not fair to extend that to Morrow without more concrete evidence. This definitely isn’t a good sign, though.
If I had to guess
Johjima doesn’t do anything differently than Johnson, but pitchers think he does, which gets in their heads, which makes them worse.
That is, if the effect is even real, which is dubious.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Morrow only threw 64% fastballs, which is pretty low for a guy who can't hit a spot with anything else
He also says he didn’t have a good feel for his curve last night (presumably in the bullpen), so on a day where he couldn’t throw a strike, I’m willing to give Kenji the benefit of the doubt on this one. Morrow just looked like shit.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, that makes more sense. I was way too harsh on Joh. His calling is pretty defensible when you look at it in that light. I didn't read that far because I started seeing red after the above quotation.
Also, Morrow in AAA means more work on bendy things, which makes me happy.
Also, what happened to his huge 12-6 curve ball that I remember him having when he came up? Has his slider just gotten harder and sharper or did he scrap a curveball?
He hasn't thrown his curveball much at all because he hasn't had a good feel for it
It’s still in there somewhere. Hopefully Tacoma can bring it out.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
That certainly puts a different face on it, can't argue with the guy if he's not feeling it.
Too many memories of establish the fastball mantra left over from last year
I'm pretty sure that's what the second blockquote in the post says
I could be wrong though.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Look at me with egg on my face, I didn't refresh yet.
Good on Joh then for working with his pitcher
So now Johjima's game calling is Brandon's next excuse.
What a wimp.
For a guy with great stuff physically, Brandon Morrow makes me very sad.
How was Morrow using this as an excuse?
Come on, guys.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
OK he was set up a little by the Johjima hating media.
But you see like Dekatur did, people can run away with it. I put the blame on his shitty pitching last night. That wasn’t game calling, tough to work with shit.
Better reply would be now comment to the bait and focus on why he can pitch so bad with such good stuff.
by Sam Regens on Jul 11, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, bad punctualization.
But you see, like Dekatur did, people can run away with it and try to put all the blame on Johjima instead where the responsbility (and problem) really lies.
No worries. But I've never before taken any of the "Johjima calls a bad game" line seriously until the past few weeks.
Seeing this – http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/4/5/389840/framing-the-debate (Johjima, in a very preliminary study, appears to be the second worst catcher at framing pitches in baseball) – has made me look at the pitchers complaining subtly about not liking to throw at him in a new light (I thought the pitchers were just being whiny losers, but maybe they have a point).
Johjima is still far better than Rob Johnson.
by Decatur on Jul 11, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ehhh, the missing curve wasn't really the problem last night
The problem was that Morrow very clearly couldn’t throw a strike with anything, and that’s not Johjima’s fault.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
FUCK!
WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS! WE WANT RRS!
by I Lick Squirrels on Jul 11, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
His velocity is still down though, no?
I think Paul said he was sitting 86-88 or so his last few starts
by seattlebruin on Jul 11, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I honestly don't know.
92 seems to be his ceiling.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 11, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Wooohooo!!! Morrow gets sent down for seasoning.
Great move. This was my major gripe with the team now.
Love the present admin, they could not be more awesome.
Jeff.
May I see the .gif of the crazy, wild, breaking pitch that Morrow threw that seemed to change direction?
The one to Vlad? I linked it in the post (click refresh)
Or perhaps you mean one of these:


by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Brandon has great stuff.
If only he weren’t a headcase.
Hope he gets things (and his attitude, wussiness) straightened out down there.
I loved Morrow when he came up.
But then this year, the (paraphasing to be short)
“I can’t start because of my diabetes”…
“I love the closer’s job because blah blah blah”…
“I only said I couldn’t start because I didn’t want to be sent down”…
etc.
This really soured me on his attitude.
Hope he get things straightened out, because I would love to see his arm in the rotation next year.
I applaud him for his honestly on the last one
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Hope you're really applauding the honestly.
Before the season started I was looking forward to a Felix, Bedard (contract year), Morrow, top of the rotation being awesome this year, and shutting up everybody who said we would suck.
Seeing Morrow almost one hit the Yankees last year, who could not love his stuff and not look forward to the season? Then the wissy wassy stuff started. Huge disappointment.
I don't know whats it's like to have diabetes.
So I don’t know that I would call him a wuss using it as an excuse.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 11, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He couldn't lift his arm after starts last year it got so fatigued (it got better by the 3rd day of rest or so, but still).
Frankly, it’s pretty ignorant to say he’s using his diabetes as a crutch or excuse. There’s a very real possibility that Morrow could literally die during the game if he got amped up without regulating his blood sugar. It’s not a joke.
If he could die, then what the hell is he doing playing baseball?!?
Wow.
He can’t handle relief either (or rather we can’t afford it) so there would be no place for him in this vocation.
I hate it when people try to reap the benefits (high salary, perks of being a MLBer) and then come up with an excuse saying why they can’t do their job.
Any player could die from any number of things while playing baseball.
Why should Morrow not play just because he has a slightly better chance of dying?
by Mariner Melee on Jul 11, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
You're missing the point.
I’m saying that if you’re on the big team it shouldn’t be used as an almighty card (excuse) whenever you want, to dictate to your bosses how you would like to be used.
(Paraphrasing bluntly to get the point through) “I might die so you have to use me in the closer’s role. And don’t send me down because I like being in the big leagues.”
Well maybe "hate" is too strong a word.
Just hard to muster sympathy for it.
Are you advocating him to stop starting then?
Because I highly doubt he has the make-up to close games.
I think the only chance he has for success is as a starting pitcher. And I don’t think the diabetes is why he is sucking now (this is why I don’t like medical conditions used as almighty excuses for everything, escpecially for someone receiving a lot of money as a professional athlete).
Hopefully he will get the seasoning he needs in Tacoma, without hurting the team anymore.
And if it was so tough for him he could just retire and nurture his diabetic condition which would probably make his fans happy (realistically judging from some of the comments, because realistically there’s no room or need on any big league team to coddle someone with special demands. These men are making truckloads of money by their bodies. There’s no disability quota, is there?).
However, I suspect he would much rather be a successful major leaguer=starting (for his makeup). His choice, but he has a long ways to go in Tacoma.
Seems a natural (yeah but tedious) response to the arguments being made by the advocates though.
Maybe I overreacted, but excuses are excuses.
If he hadn’t sucked as a closer (the job he wanted because he “couldnt start”) it would be fine.
But I don’t see he has any grounds for complaints for getting his mess (the paraphrased list above) criticized or for complaints about being sent down to be seasoned. (Of course this time some of his fans are making the excuses, not him).
Well anyway,
get well trained in Tacoma, Brandon!
If only that terrible Johjima had let Morrow throw that pitch last night
we would have won by a shutout.
That terrible Johijima. (Right?)
Johjima is catching both of the pitches above.
;)
by Mariner Melee on Jul 11, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The benefit of being nowhere near a playoff race
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I really liked Gil Meche, and when he first came up I was in love with his curveball.
Morrow is kind of my new Meche. Seemed like Meche sometimes had command of his curve and sometimes not. I loved watching games when he was spotting his curve, electric stuff
I don't know if I'm making a point, probably waxing nostalgic and violating the LLLJ rule
Those gifs of Morrow are pretty sexy
Sorry, I should have wrote
Now that you post it I can also really see the similarities between Morrow and Meche.
Hope Morrow turns out better with us (though Meche is doing well in KC).
Wasn't Meche was up around 96 fairly consistently before his shoulder blew up?
His curve was slower I think, big 12-6 looper. Somebody please correct me if I’m wrong
God, I'm loving the moves this team is making.
For all the “COME ON! WHY NOW?” folks consider this.
Would you rather have Morrow toiling and frustrating every start for the rest of the year or possibly adding an impact starting pitcher by replacing scary only fastballs, no control Morrow with potentially great fastballs + bendy pitches and possibly even a little control Morrow?
Barring trading for a good SS, this is the best addition we could make.
Huh.
Am I the only one bothered by his comments in Baker’s post?
Asking why he would want to refine his “repertoire” and saying “why would I want to do that?” seems kind of…well, buddy needs to refine his repertoire….
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