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On The Hannahan Deal

All right, so I've had a little time to think about it, and here's what it comes down to:

  • No, we didn't rip anyone off
  • No, Jack Hannahan isn't very good
  • Yes, he's an upgrade over Chris Woodward
  • No, this likely won't end our pursuit of another infielder

It's weird; Hannahan's offense is Oakland in a nutshell. He has a good eye. He swings at pitches like Griffey and Franklin Gutierrez, which is to say that he has a pretty good idea of the strike zone and doesn't go fishing very much. But pitch recognition doesn't mean very much if you don't make a lot of contact or hit for a lot of power, and that's precisely why we were just able to land him from a division rival for a geode and some Bubble Tape. The overall package of Jack Hannahan as a hitter is less than the sum of the parts. It seems like he should be better than he is, but he isn't, and at 29, he's not about to kick it up a notch.

And yet he's still better than Chris Woodward. ZiPS projections for the rest of the season put Hannahan at a .310 wOBA and Woodward at .275, and while I find that to be a pretty rosy view of Jack Hannahan, he's still the better bat, and he's left-handed for good measure. You can't always upgrade with quality. Sometimes you just have to go from really bad to bad, but the good news is that every little bit counts just the same. And besides, we didn't get Hannahan for his offense.

No - it turns out that what makes Hannahan a half-decent player is the fact that he plays a mean third base. UZR likes him. PMR likes him. Plus/minus likes him. RZR likes him. Woodward has made some good plays, but he's also made some bad ones, and Hannahan comes in with a track record of really being able to pick it. Over a full season, his defense is probably worth about a win on its own, and while that impact diminishes when you're left with a brief window of playing time before Beltre comes back, it is a step up. Hannahan is just the latest in a series of acquisitions like this. And given where the Mariners are in the standings, it would be a difficult series to criticize.

As for Justin Souza...don't worry about Justin Souza. He's not going to make us look stupid.

This isn't a sexy trade, but it's a helpful one that solidifies a team defense that, without Beltre, was dealt a significant blow. Take a look around the depth chart. Hannahan, Langerhans, Gutierrez, Ichiro - these are four starters with +10 - +20 ability in the field. Cedeno's looked good over his time. Branyan's been all right. The only guy who hasn't looked sharp is Lopez, and it's not like he's a disaster. He's just a little below average. The team defense as a whole, though, is still really, really good.

Hannahan's going to help. And apparently he's going to try to help as soon as tonight. It sucks for Woodward, but as we talked about yesterday with regard to Yuni, I care more about what's good for the team than what's good for the players, and Woodward will still get to hang out on a Major League bench for a bit while Josh Wilson gets granted the gift of dismissal. Meanwhile, the Mariners improve while doing little to impede themselves from still chasing another infielder. Make no mistake; Zduriencik doesn't intend for this to be his last move. We'll just have to see after the next two games whether the moves he still wants to make will be worth making.

Defense. Cool.

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It seems like he should be better than he is, but he isn’t, and at 29, he’s not about to kick it up a notch.

This is me. He must have Griffey’s bat speed, 10 years before Griffey’s age. Then again, you look at Oakland’s current roster, and they’re full of guys like him. Good plate discipline and command of the strike zone, but fuck they just can’t hit.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Hannahan can't hit a fastball.

He’s a pretty good third baseman, albeit with a weakish arm, but the bat leaves a lot to be desired.

Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.

by OldhamA on Jul 12, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

By the way

Hannahan’s a clear pull power guy. So that’s something.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions  

One thing we've discovered on Athletics Nation about Hannahan

The ease with which one can devise pejorative nicknames : Strand-a-man, fan-a-fan, Hanna-can’t. Enjoy!

AN was so much better before I got here.

by stormtown on Jul 11, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions  

I like (not mine) H2N3 virus

With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery

by mikeA on Jul 11, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty much what Jeff said in his diagnosis.

With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery

by mikeA on Jul 11, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a good thing Yuni is gone

If he had to play next to bananahands he’d have even more trouble concentrating.

by OlSalty on Jul 11, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   8 recs

Not to be confused with Sean Palindrome-her

widely believed to be the PTBNL in the A’s-Padres trade for Hairston.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Jul 12, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Something I found kind of funny

Career
Home .253/.337/.375
Away .188/.282/.315

And this year
Home .262/.324/.431
Away .111/.226/.148

Now there’s a pretty massive gap between the BABiPs, but still, I didn’t think the Coliseum was particularly friendly to either left or right handed hitters.

by Malcontent1 on Jul 11, 2009 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Sample size issue

He has less than a full season at home and on the road.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK

Mabye I’m not as dumb as I usually think I am…

~I'm on the DA~

by section331 on Jul 11, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I think I like this deal more than you do.

Obviously with Hannhan at 29 he’s not going to get much better, but he’s a good option for the next few years since he’s pre-arb and a great fielder.

I don’t know, I probably like this kind of player a bit too much.

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by Jack Moore on Jul 11, 2009 2:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Interesting under the radar deal

Hannahan great defender, plays both 2b/3b. If only he could hit since he has a solid approach overall.
Any info on Souza? A’s asst GM Forst mentioned they had scouts reports of him throwing 96/97mph. So I assume he’s a reliever? I guess he replaces Webb/Italiano who was traded away for Hairston

by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 11, 2009 3:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Swingman

future in the pen. Fastball gets in the mid-90s, tends to be a flyball guy, slider, bad change – standard writeup for a guy like this.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just an idea...

Someone mentioned that Hanahan can play 2B as well as 3B, so is there any chance that he could split time with Lopez if Beltre comes back, assuming that Lopez doesn’t make some magical defensive improvement and Hanahan hits somewhere in the neighborhood of his projected .310 wOBA?

I imagine his being left handed doesn’t hurt his chances…

Chad Brown for the Ring of Honor!

by Big Seahawk Loser on Jul 11, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Lopez has been roughly average this season and his range has been not bad at all

he just needs to make less stupid errors, and since he has no track record of making horribly stupid errors, I’d expect him to be just fine the rest of the season. He’s at least a 2WAR player once his BABIP regresses to where it should be.

by seattlebruin on Jul 11, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm...
and since he has no track record of making horribly stupid errors, I’d expect him to be just fine the rest of the season


Are you being sarcastic? I can’t tell…

Chad Brown for the Ring of Honor!

by Big Seahawk Loser on Jul 11, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

Thanks for pointing it out, I’m just a little new here, as my errors in mechanics and logic so blatantly show…

Chad Brown for the Ring of Honor!

by Big Seahawk Loser on Jul 11, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

From the comment thread on JY's USSMariner post on the Hannahan trade:
Bilbo on July 11th, 2009 5:02 pm

Ok, Z is a great guy and talked to me for about 10 minutes. He wa with wife so didn’t want to bother him too much. He told me about this deal as it hadn’t broken before takeoff. He was coming early for the futures game. He said the guy he really wanted at ss was zobrist in the offseason, but couldn’t get him because of uptons injury. What could have been. Pretty sure he isn’t done yet. I said cedeno is hitting what .180 and he said he wishes. LOL. Very glad he is our GM!

ASLKHJDIAJGSjsdkljlaishgalskdhAHSLihdslakhdfls I LOVE GMZ EVEN IF HE DIDN"T PULL THIS OFF

by Decatur on Jul 11, 2009 6:26 PM PDT reply actions  

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