On The Hannahan Deal
All right, so I've had a little time to think about it, and here's what it comes down to:
- No, we didn't rip anyone off
- No, Jack Hannahan isn't very good
- Yes, he's an upgrade over Chris Woodward
- No, this likely won't end our pursuit of another infielder
It's weird; Hannahan's offense is Oakland in a nutshell. He has a good eye. He swings at pitches like Griffey and Franklin Gutierrez, which is to say that he has a pretty good idea of the strike zone and doesn't go fishing very much. But pitch recognition doesn't mean very much if you don't make a lot of contact or hit for a lot of power, and that's precisely why we were just able to land him from a division rival for a geode and some Bubble Tape. The overall package of Jack Hannahan as a hitter is less than the sum of the parts. It seems like he should be better than he is, but he isn't, and at 29, he's not about to kick it up a notch.
And yet he's still better than Chris Woodward. ZiPS projections for the rest of the season put Hannahan at a .310 wOBA and Woodward at .275, and while I find that to be a pretty rosy view of Jack Hannahan, he's still the better bat, and he's left-handed for good measure. You can't always upgrade with quality. Sometimes you just have to go from really bad to bad, but the good news is that every little bit counts just the same. And besides, we didn't get Hannahan for his offense.
No - it turns out that what makes Hannahan a half-decent player is the fact that he plays a mean third base. UZR likes him. PMR likes him. Plus/minus likes him. RZR likes him. Woodward has made some good plays, but he's also made some bad ones, and Hannahan comes in with a track record of really being able to pick it. Over a full season, his defense is probably worth about a win on its own, and while that impact diminishes when you're left with a brief window of playing time before Beltre comes back, it is a step up. Hannahan is just the latest in a series of acquisitions like this. And given where the Mariners are in the standings, it would be a difficult series to criticize.
As for Justin Souza...don't worry about Justin Souza. He's not going to make us look stupid.
This isn't a sexy trade, but it's a helpful one that solidifies a team defense that, without Beltre, was dealt a significant blow. Take a look around the depth chart. Hannahan, Langerhans, Gutierrez, Ichiro - these are four starters with +10 - +20 ability in the field. Cedeno's looked good over his time. Branyan's been all right. The only guy who hasn't looked sharp is Lopez, and it's not like he's a disaster. He's just a little below average. The team defense as a whole, though, is still really, really good.
Hannahan's going to help. And apparently he's going to try to help as soon as tonight. It sucks for Woodward, but as we talked about yesterday with regard to Yuni, I care more about what's good for the team than what's good for the players, and Woodward will still get to hang out on a Major League bench for a bit while Josh Wilson gets granted the gift of dismissal. Meanwhile, the Mariners improve while doing little to impede themselves from still chasing another infielder. Make no mistake; Zduriencik doesn't intend for this to be his last move. We'll just have to see after the next two games whether the moves he still wants to make will be worth making.
Defense. Cool.
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It seems like he should be better than he is, but he isn’t, and at 29, he’s not about to kick it up a notch.
This is me. He must have Griffey’s bat speed, 10 years before Griffey’s age. Then again, you look at Oakland’s current roster, and they’re full of guys like him. Good plate discipline and command of the strike zone, but fuck they just can’t hit.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 2:13 PM PDT reply actions
Hannahan can't hit a fastball.
He’s a pretty good third baseman, albeit with a weakish arm, but the bat leaves a lot to be desired.
Some motherfcukers are always trying to ice skate uphill - Blade.
This has the added benefit of taking leverage away from teams like the Pirates
in case that’s still on the table.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jul 11, 2009 2:18 PM PDT reply actions
One thing we've discovered on Athletics Nation about Hannahan
The ease with which one can devise pejorative nicknames : Strand-a-man, fan-a-fan, Hanna-can’t. Enjoy!
AN was so much better before I got here.
Given that this is LL I'm expecting Handjob or Hannasex
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Rimaman
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 11, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I like (not mine) H2N3 virus
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Pretty much what Jeff said in his diagnosis.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
It's a good thing Yuni is gone
If he had to play next to bananahands he’d have even more trouble concentrating.
by OlSalty on Jul 11, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Palendrome-an.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Palindrome rather.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
"Anagrams for Jack Hannahan"
No anagrams found.
o_O
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
nnn.... a-ha-ha!
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Not to be confused with Sean Palindrome-her
widely believed to be the PTBNL in the A’s-Padres trade for Hairston.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Something I found kind of funny
Career
Home .253/.337/.375
Away .188/.282/.315
And this year
Home .262/.324/.431
Away .111/.226/.148
Now there’s a pretty massive gap between the BABiPs, but still, I didn’t think the Coliseum was particularly friendly to either left or right handed hitters.
Sample size issue
He has less than a full season at home and on the road.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't know.
You neverauskas before.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I think I like this deal more than you do.
Obviously with Hannhan at 29 he’s not going to get much better, but he’s a good option for the next few years since he’s pre-arb and a great fielder.
I don’t know, I probably like this kind of player a bit too much.
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Woodward should move to SS
It’s what he’s played the most. Woodward is 2x the hitter than Cedeno.
Mariners Slumpbuster for hire
Interesting under the radar deal
Hannahan great defender, plays both 2b/3b. If only he could hit since he has a solid approach overall.
Any info on Souza? A’s asst GM Forst mentioned they had scouts reports of him throwing 96/97mph. So I assume he’s a reliever? I guess he replaces Webb/Italiano who was traded away for Hairston
Swingman
future in the pen. Fastball gets in the mid-90s, tends to be a flyball guy, slider, bad change – standard writeup for a guy like this.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like he is throwing a killer punch.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 11, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
He wanted to destroy something beautiful
I hope you die. I hope we BOTH die.
by BRKLN M'S on Jul 11, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who doesn't after watching 136 lifeless at bats by Rob Johnson?
It sad too, because Clement probably has fewer than 2.5 weeks left with the team.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 11, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure where to put this...
Baker’s twitter says: “Morrow to AAA”
HYPHEN!!
HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN HYPHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by I Lick Squirrels on Jul 11, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd prefer both
with Olson to the pen . . .
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 11, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly what he needs.
He needs to be working in AAA on his secondary stuff and control.
Just an idea...
Someone mentioned that Hanahan can play 2B as well as 3B, so is there any chance that he could split time with Lopez if Beltre comes back, assuming that Lopez doesn’t make some magical defensive improvement and Hanahan hits somewhere in the neighborhood of his projected .310 wOBA?
I imagine his being left handed doesn’t hurt his chances…
Chad Brown for the Ring of Honor!
by Big Seahawk Loser on Jul 11, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions
Lopez has been roughly average this season and his range has been not bad at all
he just needs to make less stupid errors, and since he has no track record of making horribly stupid errors, I’d expect him to be just fine the rest of the season. He’s at least a 2WAR player once his BABIP regresses to where it should be.
by seattlebruin on Jul 11, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm...
and since he has no track record of making horribly stupid errors, I’d expect him to be just fine the rest of the season
Are you being sarcastic? I can’t tell…
Chad Brown for the Ring of Honor!
by Big Seahawk Loser on Jul 11, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Well that didn't work out well...
Chad Brown for the Ring of Honor!
by Big Seahawk Loser on Jul 11, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed.
Thanks for pointing it out, I’m just a little new here, as my errors in mechanics and logic so blatantly show…
Chad Brown for the Ring of Honor!
by Big Seahawk Loser on Jul 11, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Hannahan has played two innings at second base in the Majors
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotcha.
Thanks
Chad Brown for the Ring of Honor!
by Big Seahawk Loser on Jul 11, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome to the black hole zone, Hannahan!
RF Ichiro
1B Russell Branyan
2B Jose Lopez
DH Ken Griffey Jr.
CF Franklin Gutierrez
LF Ryan Langerhans
C Rob Johnson
3B Jack Hannahan
SS Ronny Cedeno
Sells in the concession stands will perk every inning that starts Johnson, Hannahan, Cedeno.
Or
Nothing says bathroom break like an inning that starts Johnson, Hannahan, Cedeno.
From the comment thread on JY's USSMariner post on the Hannahan trade:
Bilbo on July 11th, 2009 5:02 pm
Ok, Z is a great guy and talked to me for about 10 minutes. He wa with wife so didn’t want to bother him too much. He told me about this deal as it hadn’t broken before takeoff. He was coming early for the futures game. He said the guy he really wanted at ss was zobrist in the offseason, but couldn’t get him because of uptons injury. What could have been. Pretty sure he isn’t done yet. I said cedeno is hitting what .180 and he said he wishes. LOL. Very glad he is our GM!
ASLKHJDIAJGSjsdkljlaishgalskdhAHSLihdslakhdfls I LOVE GMZ EVEN IF HE DIDN"T PULL THIS OFF

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