Mariners Trade For Jack Hannahan
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 1:12 PM PDT
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PrintThis one's coming from Geoff Baker's Twitter. There's a sentence I could never go back in time and tell Jeff of ten year ago.
More in a bit.
Update: via Geoff Baker on Facebook (God this is weird), we're giving up RHP Justin Souza.
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Well....at least he's a good fielder at third.
Can’t hit worth shit though.
Meh.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.
ZiPS rest of season puts him at .310 wOBA going forward.
Obviously not world beating, but that beats the hell out of Chris Woodward.
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For sure.
My meh reaction is just this wasn’t how I figured we’d solve the 3B problem.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.
Either this isn't the final move (or Z doesn't plan on it being the final move)
Or it’s one of those “it doesn’t hurt us, so let’s give it a shot” moves that we can get away with even if we fall out of the race
That's how I felt about Branyan and Gutz too and they turned out magnificent.
But then again I don’t know shit about baseball.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 11, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
That's how I felt about Branyan and Gutz too and they turned out magnificent.
But then again I don’t know shit about baseball.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 11, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It makes sense
Getting a great third baseman doesn’t make sense, because then what do you do when Beltre comes back? This is a nice stopgap.
My guess is
that we haven’t. This is just a move to make things a little better while the FO works on a more significant move. After all, it’s not like giving up Souza scuttles any hope of getting someone like Hardy or Brignac.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 11, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And the same to you
(and to calim, for that matter)
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 11, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
He'll fit right in then
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 11, 2009 1:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So you're saying we traded with Oakland?
That’s unusual.
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jul 11, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions
How is this guy not having success?
Doesn’t swing at stuff out of the zone. Doesn’t make a lot of contact on the stuff he does swing at out of the zone. Makes good contact on zone pitches. 17% line drive rate. .ISOD .085. BABIP .268.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions
From Statcorner
LD% 20(!). Sees over 4 pitcher per at bat in the minors and the majors. Judging by his skill set stats, he looks like he should be having more success than this.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Hits a lot of ground balls
That’s about the only really negative thing that pops out to my untrained eye
Good defender with a good knowledge of the strike zone.
Yep, sounds like Jack’s kinda guy.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.
ZING!
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 11, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you meant SPLURT!
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have never heard of the guy we traded to Oakland, so I'm gonna assume he's a non prospect.
Right?
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.
by Goose on Jul 11, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Nothing to worry about.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Souza's mostly a bullpen arm but he's made some spot starts.
Decent K rate, pretty good walk rate. Nothing amazing.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if we was really on our radar.
He’d have been up with us. Souza is one of those arms that everybody has a ton of in the minors. No loss.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Souza couldn't stay, he's not a color
Our bullpen follows the rules of “Reservoir Dogs”. You can’t stick in the bullpen if your last name isn’t a color. Mr. White, Mr. Kelley, etc.
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Or a part of the body. M(a)rrow, Putz, etc.
...and now I'm here
Let's get the jokes out of the way.
I wonder if fate hannahan’d in allowing us to get this guy.
Yes? No?
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs
Irish huh?
Cool. We have an excuse to play The Water Jug again.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
With Langerhans and Shelton, starting to look like a box of Lucky Charms around here.
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Looks like he's unlikely to have two full years of service time after this season.
So he’s under control for five years after 2009, if I’m doing it right.
He's also 29
Just because we have years of control doesn’t mean we’re going to use them.
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
Just saying, if he turns into an average-ish hitter with a great glove, he’s ours for cheap. If he doesn’t, he can go away.
First impression is great move...
A major league third basemen from what I can tell… and we give up a bullpen arm from AA. Considering we just dumped Yuni for two young arms, this deal looks even cooler.
If Z isn’t done and is still looking for a shortstop, then all of a sudden our starting nine isn’t looking all that bad.
*Except for Griffey
At least he has an ok OBP.
by AtomicGarden on Jul 11, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Have fun with Hannahmontanahan
I’m sure not going to miss him.
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
by muffinpryde on Jul 11, 2009 1:35 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
It all depends on your expectations
All we’re expecting is “better than Chris Woodward,” and he can probably manage that.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 11, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Chris who?
Good point, forgot that Beltre was out.
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
Ditto.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course now this means we have to top it
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Achy Breaky Jr?
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
That is among the worst suggestions I have ever heard in my life
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 11, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hell, I liked the Hannahmontanahans nickname, so what do I know from funny?
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Hannahan Solo?
Langerhans & Hannahan…. Hans and Han?
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Hannahan looks to be about a 1-1.5 WAR
Compare that to Cedeno (assuming at least a little regression) with around -.05 to 0, and Johnson a bit below 0.
I’m new to using stats and thinking for myself, but combing through Fangraph’s page, he seems to be an improvement of about a win. Basically a decent stop gap if Beltre doesn’t come back this season, or until he does.
Although most of Hannahan’s value comes from his defense, his bat has a bit of potential to improve.
by AtomicGarden on Jul 11, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
1 to 1.5 WAR over a full season maybe.
For this season, we’re only going to get half of that. Still, a solid pickup while Adrian’s gone.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on Hannahan's ZiPS projected .310 wOBA for the rest of the season and his stellar UZR numbers
He’s roughly equivalent to what Adrian Beltre would give us for the rest of the season (ZiPS projected .325 wOBA and similar UZR), or perhaps ~5 runs less than Beltre or the rest of the season.
Huh, I didn't even notice Hannahan was a lefty.
Neat.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.
Neat
Goodbye Woodward, we knew you more than we wanted to.
He probably stays
and Josh Wilson goes away. But not our starting third baseman!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 11, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Woodward's passable as a fifth infielder
But not having him in the lineup everyday is going to be nice.
UZR/150 at 3B: 14.2
Not a huge sample there, of course, but still — seems safe to say he brings pretty good leather at the hot corner.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 11, 2009 1:42 PM PDT reply actions
All in all
say he’s somewhere around +5 with the glove the rest of the way and matches the .690 OPS ZIPS projects for him (.310 wOBA), he’ll be a useful player under the current circumstances.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 11, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
My God, I really didn't realize how stupid some of Geoff Baker's commenters are.
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You probably should have by now.
I mean, it’s not like this is new or anything. They’ve been at stupid for… well a year now.
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't read through those things.
The lack of grammar just kills me. Either the blog is populated by 15 year olds (probable), or people that struggle with proper English.
by AtomicGarden on Jul 11, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I resent your comment about 15 year olds.
They say nothing is impossible, but I do nothing all the time!
I've never checked the comments there after a trade before.
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I can guarantee you they're just as bad the rest of the time. =)
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by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 11, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahaha. I see you were having problem with a guy named Nelson.
No one likes him because he talks about how much knows about baseball and how good of a pitcher he is. And how he ball on the same team as Tui.
I think he may actually just be 12 years old.
by AtomicGarden on Jul 11, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
He's probably 30, living in his momma's basement
And eating Hot Pockets like the rest of us.
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Yay a mom's basement comment!
those are so great we need so many more!!!!!!!!
by seattlebruin on Jul 11, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I have read like 5 comments and found out he thinks ERA is not only important, but is in fact the only important stat when it comes to pitching.
Mentally retarded is probably too nice for the guy. Arguing intelligent points with the people who comment there is futile.
It entertained me for a bit, but that's why I stopped
He also think batting average tells you everything about a hitter and no other statistics matter. “you guys can go ahead and say what a great move, but this is pathetic, we are 4.5 games out, we need to make a run at it, if you think otherwise, then i wish you all the worst lucky in life”
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Yeah. When I think about it, I was probably just a significantly less retarded version of Nelson before I came to LL
I didn’t really know anything about evaluating players
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I was going to say 2 years ago I would probably side more with Nelson than with you in the argument.
It’s funny because the only reason I read USSM for the first time was because so many people on the internet hated it so bad for “bashing” and “hating” the M’s and I wanted to figure out why a M’s fan site would hate the Mariners. Now I just have further affirmation that pretty much all mainstream media (news, analysis, music, movies etc.) sucks balls, and 95% of people live with their heads in their asses.
I concur.
That’s actually pretty close to my story of finding LL as well.
Chad Brown for the Ring of Honor!
by Big Seahawk Loser on Jul 11, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Come on out of hiding Nelson Cruz!
Nelson B — an obvious alias. Inability to spell — enormous ape-like hands on a tiny keyboard. Bad advice for Mariners — good for Texas Rangers. Aha!
I try avoid reading that blog
But sometimes I get sucked in – it’s like the Real Housewives of New Jersey.
The blog itself is fine
Geoff provides a lot of great stuff, and some… well, not so agreeable material. But it’s just the comments you can’t get too sucked into.
by AtomicGarden on Jul 11, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Do fake breasts improve your hitting?
I thought that only worked outside of baseball.
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I've also learned today that Geoff Baker likes the Decemberists.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Good luck in the WNBA, Kamyron!
I learned today that Geoff Baker likes Mexican Food
But that’s ’cause I spied him Saturday at La Carta de Oaxaca. Mucho cerveza on the table by the way.
I like not only that we got an upgrade from our current 3B,
but that we got him for a AA pitcher. The eloquence of trading a black hole for a AA and a A arm, and then trading away a different and worse AA arm for something useful is just great. Z’s moves just make too much god damn sense and I’m not sure if I can handle it.
Career vs. Felix
Hannahan vs Felix – 6 for 12 with 2 HR, both in Safeco.
This move on multiple levels, is intended to get Felix the 2009 Cy Young Award
by Mariner Optimist on Jul 11, 2009 2:11 PM PDT reply actions
You're living up to your screen name for sure.
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by Big Seahawk Loser on Jul 11, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I would've preferred not to give up Souza
But this is still a good trade, especially if Hannahan’s glove is real. Losing Souza pretty much eliminates our last upper-level starting pitching prospect, though that’s not saying much.
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