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Yuni Traded

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Per Drayer, to KC (hah!) for a pair of minor league pitchers. Details to follow.

They are:

Daniel Cortes

Derrick Saito

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I JUST heard that.

Holy crap!

~I'm on the DA~

by section331 on Jul 10, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yippe Kay Yay!!!!!

Dayton Moore!
Dayton Moore!
Dayton Moore!

by jimmylauderdale on Jul 10, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He's been hurt for awhile

He some extremely bad BABIP luck to start the year, and the Royals’ training staff bites so he hasn’t come back yet.

"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"

by NHZ on Jul 10, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

close

Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.

by BillyMojo on Jul 10, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yepper.

Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.

by BillyMojo on Jul 10, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To answer your original question

Aviles has been all kinds of terrible

by Poochie on Jul 10, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They want Yuni.

Nobody knows it yet. Not even them.

by Robert on Jul 10, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOOO!

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 10, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How can you be so stupid

That you think the best way to build your team is to collect the worst parts of a team that was worse than you?

by Robert on Jul 10, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Holy dumb fuck.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Jul 10, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

THIS IS THE GREATEST 24 HOURS SINCE THE BERLIN WALL FELL

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bhahahahaha

One of these broadcasters is hilarious.

Commenter: I just want to comment on the Yuni…
Broadcaster: Uh huh
Commenter: trade and I think this was…
Broadcaster: Uh huh
Commenter: umm… well it was a…
Broadcaster: Uh huh
Commenter: good move.

I think it might Salk doing the “Uh huh” thing.

by Wilder. on Jul 10, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

CRACK OPEN THE BEERS! I'M GLAD WE'VE GOT THAT MONKEY OFF OUT CHEST.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

KC seems to be in love with the Mariners

Maybe they’re going to try and make a baseball player suit with all the former M’s they’ve collected.

by 13194013 on Jul 10, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It puts the lotion in the basket!

by Clown baby on Jul 10, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this changing twiddle dee wth twiddle dum

or is there actual potential in talent from a straight-up trade for Yuni.

Assuming Dayton Moore isn’t dumb, which could be a stretch.

by Will Kier on Jul 10, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

USSM commenter says

Daniel Cortes and Derrick Saito, Pitchers

by Will Kier on Jul 10, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Farewell, Yuni - if this trade doesn't wake your bitch ass up, nothing will.


You just got traded to KC for a couple minor leaguers while you’re on rehab in AAA yourself. That’s… vaguely kinda sad.

At least you have plenty of ex-Mariners to compare notes with there. Assuming they call you up…

by Spoomeister on Jul 10, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cortez

Danny Cortez is one of the guys coming back. BA had him rated as KC’s #3 prospect in pre-season…

by gustafm on Jul 10, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In other news, Vlad and Hunter are both on the DL for the Angels.

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 10, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Baker with the details:
After all that speculation, it became official today. Yuniesky Betancourt has been traded to the Kansas City Royals for Class AA pitcher Danny Cortes and Class A pitcher Derreick Saito. Not sure whether the Mariners had to eat any money.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh good gravy...

WOWOWOWOOWWOWOWOWOWOOWW

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jul 10, 2009 12:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I AM FREAKING OUT!

So awesome. WHo do we get??

by ARock on Jul 10, 2009 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ruh ros.

Cortes’ walk rate spiked this year, and his strikeout rate plummeted.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phildopip on Jul 10, 2009 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

doesn't really matter

even if they’re both busts, we still got rid of Yuni and that’s what matters.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jul 10, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Danny Cortes and Derreick Saito

These guys worth much? Or is this mostly just a Yuni-dump?

by ARock on Jul 10, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yuni dump

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not just a Yuni dump

Cortes is a top prospect having a bad year, and Saito’s an interesting arm; both should at least become useful bullpen pieces, and Cortes could be a pretty decent starter if he puts it all together.

by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 10, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know practically nothing about either pitcher.

But both could be piles of shit and this would still be a win for us.

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 10, 2009 12:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Our two new players

Derrick Saito

A quick glance at his stats: “MEH”.

Dan Cortes

Nothing that strikes out at first glance as awesome.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

From Baker
But considering who is coming Seattle’s way, I’m sure the Mariners ate a considerable amount of Betancourt money.

Cortes is a big deal.

“He’s a big kid with a real good arm,‘’ Zduriencik told me moments ago. "We’ve been watching him the past few weeks and were real impressed with what we saw.’’

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He actually looks okay if you go by last season. Not sure what we can attribute to

the high walk total and drop in strikeouts this year at the same level.

by Rudy4three on Jul 10, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does GMZ say to get this deal done?

Look, Yuni is a MAJOR league player.. I’ll just take two of your minor league players for him. Surely Two minor league players equal one MAJOR league player

by superJAYdude7 on Jul 10, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hilarious.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jul 10, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is an awesome picture of Yuni.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 10, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Endy Harvey Chavez.

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jul 10, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They sound like us after the Bedard trade.

The difference being we at least got a good player as part of a shitty trade.

by eponymous_coward on Jul 10, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree somewhat. Moore is following Bavasi's career path, only with even less success. This is his last stand.

Then they will get smart people in their F.O. like the Pirates and Mariners have gotten.

by Decatur on Jul 10, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're headed down the LA Clippers path if they don't.

Out of the last 15-20 years they’ve had good players and traded them away. That’s okay IF you get something in return for the future. But they got jack for players like Carlos Beltran. Carlos Beltran should’ve been a franchise deal and fallen in line with the deals of Bartolo Colon, AJ Pierzynski, and Erik Bedard. Bad, bad scouting needs to change. The Royals are still 4 to 5 years away from MAYBE competing. At least 2 or 3 years ago you could see where the Rays were headed, but this team doesn’t have an impact player in the system that’s going to be ready before 2011, as far as I know. And by that time I assume they will have traded Zack Grienke unless this FO is really going to consider becoming a good franchise.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 10, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure. I was simplifying things a good bit. I do think, though, that that's the most probable outcome (although the ownership could always hire more old school fools in the current F.O.'s place, of course)

New Kauffman stadium is a really well-done remodel, so that will preserve their revenue and payroll for the forseeable future. Plus, I think the most influential media in KC, from what I’ve seen, are as fed up with the Dayton Moore way as everyone in Seattle was with Bavasi last year. Moore’s rep is old school, traditional player-evaluation based as can be, so my sense is that KC’s ownership will probably go as hard in the progressive scouting-stats direction in 2010 or 2011 as the Mariners’ ownership did. But I know less about this than almost any reasonably well informed KC fan, so I could be wrong.

by Decatur on Jul 10, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

At the very least, they will move in a more progressive direction, even if they don’t land a premier GM candidate. They’re one of the last teams to start making that transition and by now the consistent awfulness must be making it clear (to their fans at least) that their entire baseball philosophy is flawed.

by OlSalty on Jul 10, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bah a minor offence.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lies!

You would have posted via mobile if you were!

by Wilder. on Jul 10, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was in Nebraska.

What the hell else are you going to do for fun in Nebraska?

--Shrug
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by Shrug on Jul 10, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Aksarben.... that's Nebraska Backwards

So, let me tell you this about Nebraska…. you only need to know one thing…

’SKERS

That’s short for Huskers, all you non-midwesterners. It’s a cult and a religion all rolled into one. For fun? You have hay rack rides, shoot skeet, cow tip, drink Busch Lite and play flip cup. Nebraska is alright, but if I had to do it over again, I’d move away from there much quicker than I did. I hope this helps.

Other thoughts: Yuni for two prospects is great. Why? Because no matter how you spin it, you can’t trade a shit sandwich for much else other than another shit sandwich. I just hope these two pieces of bread named Cortez and Saito can show they were worth the gem of a ss in YB.

by A Steamy Day in Cleveland on Jul 10, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Children of the Corn?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 10, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a bit late to the party.

I thought J-Z was in talks with the Pirates for Sanchez? What happened?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 10, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So Sanchez might still be a possibility, even if a remote one?

Awesome.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 10, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares?

YUNI IS GONE, THROW A PARTY

by eponymous_coward on Jul 10, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

What are the chances of getting rid of Silva?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 10, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zero.

Unless he has a girlfriend who he is about to break it off with.

by Wilder. on Jul 10, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Heh.

Is it his cap considerations?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Jul 10, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you mean salary when you say "cap considerations", then yes.

Silva is grossly overpaid and he hasn’t pitched in 3 months on top of that.

by Wilder. on Jul 10, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe AA KC is a strong hitters park, by the way.

If true this would explain some of Cortes’s numbers not measuring up to his pure stuff

by Graham on Jul 10, 2009 12:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Is there a net link?

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your ass = mine

Also Dave’s reception sucks sadly. :(

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re Dave

If we traded for Hardy I would be so happy….

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Counsell is a better hitter right now than Escobar

.352 wOBA by statcorner definitely isn’t real, but even if he puts up the .310 projected by ZiPS that’s probably better than Escobar would do. Counsell’s still at a +12 UZR/150, despite his age, too.

Also, if we won’t play Gamel, we probably won’t play Escobar.

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by Jack Moore on Jul 10, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well yeah

but my point is that if they want to play him so much that they will move Hardy, why isn’t he playing already since Weeks is out?

by Poochie on Jul 10, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, mine did.

Sucks because I think Dave is on right now.

by Wilder. on Jul 10, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Send Cortes to the bullpen!

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So Im reading this guy's report on him and it says he throw 92-95 with a power curve ball.

And the guy comes up with a Gil Meche comp, which I thought was amusing

by Rudy4three on Jul 10, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Have we ever seen regression like this?

Was Betancourts age ever verified? Maybe he’s just hitting his mid-30’s.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 10, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I'm starting to hate the word regression.

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jul 10, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like when people start talking about regression because Aardsma had one of two bad outings all year?

I totally hear ya.

"You're so beautiful. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job."

by nickmo on Jul 10, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regression is a statistical analysis term.

Most commonly used when referring to a regression towards the mean.

What happened to Yuni was a steady decline in skills at a very early age.

by Sec 108 on Jul 10, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've said it around here before,

but reading up on an intro to statistical analysis will do wonders for understanding the great work done here and places like Statcorner, Fangraphs and USSMariner.

by Sec 108 on Jul 10, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im pretty new here, so I didn't know the word regression wasn't taken lightly.

All I really meant was that usually it seems players show promise at a young age and then get better. While Yuni seemed to show a lot of promise and then just got worse and worse at a time when you should be at least staying the same if not getting better. So whatever word that is – that’s the word I want to use.

by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 10, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think of it this way.

In my line of work it drives me crazy when a client uses jargon specific to my vocation in a completely improper way. That is what you did to Matthew.

Just call Yuni a waste of skin like I do.

by Sec 108 on Jul 10, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having worked in a repair shop I can actually answer this.

The mechanic will take the wheel off, balance it, put it back on, take a break to snort some meth and then bill you for a new transmission.

by Sec 108 on Jul 10, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was actually pretty polite and perhaps expressing frustration. It's not just aboutyou

The word regression had been getting heavily used, in an improper fashion for awhile. It’s basically becoming a meme, if it hasn’t already.

by Kermit. on Jul 10, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not very statistically minded. But here's my take on regression, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong

For example, a pitcher is achieving above average results with below average swinging strike rates, the like. Eventually over time his results will reflect his abilities, and “regress”. Also works the other direction, if a pitcher is achieving below average results with fantastic inputs.

Yuni just sucked. More and more as time went on.

by Kermit. on Jul 10, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

So I should be using congression?

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jul 10, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a statistician, man! I'm a diver!

I’m winging it here, I usually just say a guy is playing over his head and leave it at that. But when in Rome

by Kermit. on Jul 10, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool, glad I have the concept down.

There have been some really interesting discussion on it in previous threads, I had them bookmarked but my bookmarks disappeared when I upgraded to Firefox 3.5, not sure what happened. My next OT post will probably be a request for people to link to any favorite SABR type discussions, I’d like to replace them.

by Kermit. on Jul 10, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you mean falling off a cliff

With your limbs bound together. Hitting every rock on the way down. And somehow managing to land just right so as to become impaled through the back door on a giant rubber sex toy at the bottom of the chasm.

IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)

by seattlecougar on Jul 10, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see the 'regression' issue was handled, so to answer the spirit of the question,

I think we actually see this all the time in sports, it just always feels fresh and awful when it happens to our team.

There are plenty of pitchers who flame out, usually due to injury, but also due to people just figuring them out (guys with meh stuff and weird deliveries have this happen a lot). Think Nomo, Willis, etc.

It’s weird on D, because we haven’t had a way to reliably measure range until recently. That plus the fact that defensive reputations are startlingly difficult to change (Betancourt is still seen as a defensive wizard by some) make it hard to pinpoint historical slides on defense. Still, many fans can probably name a bunch – Ken Griffey Jr. as a Mariner in the mid 90s comes to mind.

His hitting never really got worse, but his approach never got better. Many thought Betancourt would improve at the plate given his age, but hitters with his approach don’t really change unless they develop a lot more power. Betancourt didn’t do this, and he never learned to take a walk. In high BABIP years, he looked sort of good to those without advanced stats… this led many to think he was ‘progressing’ or ‘developing’ when he was really just having a few more balls in play fall in for singles. That makes years like this one look worse, though this is well within the expected range if you realize he’s just swinging at everything and doesn’t have the power to make those balls in play clear the fence.

Age: probably not.

by marc w on Jul 10, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're welcome

Betancourt’s career is really starting to mirror Garry Templeton’s. Here’s hoping we do as well in this trade as the Cards did when they traded Templeton….

by marc w on Jul 10, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was Templeton terrible in San Diego?

I thought he had a couple of decent season there before he fell hard.

by Sec 108 on Jul 10, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With the bat, yeah.

After having three good offensive seasons with the Cards, he never again hit at a league average level after the trade. He came close, so wasn’t some sort of total sinkhole, but he only got his OBP over .300 three years after arriving in SD.

I don’t know if his D was great or not, but it’s quite clear it wasn’t as good as Ozzie’s.

by marc w on Jul 10, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, no kidding. All I knew was that he was an all-star on a pennant winner.

Of course, I still knew that I’d rather have Ozzie Smith.

Backflips! Loved that they’d always show that on TWIB with your announcer, Mel Allen!

by marc w on Jul 10, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I loved watching TWIB every weekend.

Mel Allen followed by Vin Scully doing the game of the week.

by Sec 108 on Jul 10, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vin

is one of the few things I enjoyed when I first moved to LA

by bochte! on Jul 10, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sort of. The tools just weren't there.

You had (and still have) front office people using error totals/fielding percentage, which is beyond horrible in actually measuring defensive value. The early sabermetric approaches, like RF, were a bit better, but still not really good at all, as they were hopelessly tied to a pitching staff’s batted ball profile (lots of GB pitchers, not a lot of chances for your OFs).
So highlight reel plays probably did play into it. I think part of it too is that scouts really key in on certain aspects of defense, thinking that they’re proxies for overall defensive acuity. Some times that’s true, and some times it’s not. I think some scouts are probably really good at looking for defense, and others may not be. It’s really hard.

by marc w on Jul 10, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES YES YES!

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time machine.

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jul 10, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scott Rolen and A-Rod!

How about Scott Rolen develops a serious latte adiction and demands to be traded to the M’s?

Or A-Rod suffers mysterious accident in sexual escapade with Kate Hudson.

by LauraBu on Jul 10, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dave mentioned trading for Hardy:

What’s up with his hitting regression this year? I don’t know nearly enough about him or the Brewers to comment on it, but is there a concern that he isn’t the same player?

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by Woodinville_12thMan on Jul 10, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ISO is down.

It isn’t so much regression as he’s just been worse this year. That being said, his defense makes him an upgrade even if he keeps hitting as is, and if he manages to get back on track with the offense, then he’d be very valuable.

Doubt we can get him though.

by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 10, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had no idea Yuni was so hated

The Times Blog love love loves this deal

by Poochie on Jul 10, 2009 12:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it's nice that even the retarded fans like this.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have fun with Cortes.

He’s having a bad year but he’s got a major league arm. Ugh. I think we’re going have a bridge-jumping party at Royals Review.

"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"

by NHZ on Jul 10, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs