Yuni Traded
by Matthew on Jul 10, 2009 12:01 PM PDT
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WOOOOHOOOOOOO
I’d have traded him to KC for some BBQ.
by eponymous_coward on Jul 10, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions
BBQTBNL?
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Jul 10, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
No, it isn't
BBQ To Be Named Later = BBQTBNL
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 10, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
GASP
Somebody missed a Simpsons reference!
by Karma Police on Jul 10, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, is that it
You’re right, I missed that one. Sorry.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 10, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yippe Kay Yay!!!!!
Dayton Moore!
Dayton Moore!
Dayton Moore!
by jimmylauderdale on Jul 10, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions
Why the fuck would Kansas City want Betancourt?
by Graham MacAree on Jul 10, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions
Why the fuck would Kansas City want Gil Meche?
by eponymous_coward on Jul 10, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Too bad the team's renovation is sub-par.
I hear the Royals are also interested in the corpse of Freddie Garcia.
KC is on an ex-mariner binge. Plus what jimmy said.
by kentcheesehead on Jul 10, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a useful utility player who was actually an upgrade on a roster spot for them
Is Aviles dead?
by Graham MacAree on Jul 10, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
He's been hurt for awhile
He some extremely bad BABIP luck to start the year, and the Royals’ training staff bites so he hasn’t come back yet.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
BECAUSE HE'S A FUCKING PILE OF SHITE AND KC IS CREATING A PILE OF SHITE DYNASTY
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This falls under the heading of "not something I particularly care about"
he’s their problem now.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
The only explanation I have is that Aviles was not projected to be much more than a utility player by scouts (At least from what I've seen)
Then last year he came in and had a monster year. This year he started off struggling hugely and maybe they figured last year was a fluke and the scouts were correct.
How can you be so stupid
That you think the best way to build your team is to collect the worst parts of a team that was worse than you?
by Robert on Jul 10, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Holy dumb fuck.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jul 10, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions
THIS IS THE GREATEST 24 HOURS SINCE THE BERLIN WALL FELL
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions
Dave Cameron going to be on 710 in 15 min to break the deal down.
by jimmylauderdale on Jul 10, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions
Bhahahahaha
One of these broadcasters is hilarious.
Commenter: I just want to comment on the Yuni…
Broadcaster: Uh huh
Commenter: trade and I think this was…
Broadcaster: Uh huh
Commenter: umm… well it was a…
Broadcaster: Uh huh
Commenter: good move.
I think it might Salk doing the “Uh huh” thing.
CRACK OPEN THE BEERS! I'M GLAD WE'VE GOT THAT MONKEY OFF OUT CHEST.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
KC seems to be in love with the Mariners
Maybe they’re going to try and make a baseball player suit with all the former M’s they’ve collected.
Is this changing twiddle dee wth twiddle dum
or is there actual potential in talent from a straight-up trade for Yuni.
Assuming Dayton Moore isn’t dumb, which could be a stretch.
USSM commenter says
Daniel Cortes and Derrick Saito, Pitchers
Farewell, Yuni - if this trade doesn't wake your bitch ass up, nothing will.
You just got traded to KC for a couple minor leaguers while you’re on rehab in AAA yourself. That’s… vaguely kinda sad.
At least you have plenty of ex-Mariners to compare notes with there. Assuming they call you up…
Cortez
Danny Cortez is one of the guys coming back. BA had him rated as KC’s #3 prospect in pre-season…
They are going to have their own show called Lazy & Hustle.
The show will end with them both grounding out.
In other news, Vlad and Hunter are both on the DL for the Angels.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.
Baker with the details:
After all that speculation, it became official today. Yuniesky Betancourt has been traded to the Kansas City Royals for Class AA pitcher Danny Cortes and Class A pitcher Derreick Saito. Not sure whether the Mariners had to eat any money.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions
Cortez is legit
He was BA’s #3 prospect in the KC org.
50 walks in 80 innings so far this year… But otherwise good numbers (in AA). He’s a lefty so maybe he becomes a LOOGY
Actually I suck Cortez is a Righty. My bad
by gustafm on Jul 10, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Saito's a lefty, too, K an inning, not a lot of walks.
Guess Zduriencik is stocking up on fungible arms.
by eponymous_coward on Jul 10, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Cortes was overrated last year, but he's got great stuff and is a legitimate high-minors starting prospect
Injury concerns though
by Graham MacAree on Jul 10, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm guessing that's what KC thinks about Yuni.
“Hey, fix him up and we get a Gold Glove-caliber SS!”
by eponymous_coward on Jul 10, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Ruh ros.
Cortes’ walk rate spiked this year, and his strikeout rate plummeted.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jul 10, 2009 12:15 PM PDT reply actions
doesn't really matter
even if they’re both busts, we still got rid of Yuni and that’s what matters.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
Danny Cortes and Derreick Saito
These guys worth much? Or is this mostly just a Yuni-dump?
Yuni dump
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Not just a Yuni dump
Cortes is a top prospect having a bad year, and Saito’s an interesting arm; both should at least become useful bullpen pieces, and Cortes could be a pretty decent starter if he puts it all together.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 10, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Cortes is their #4 prospects in the organization.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
I know practically nothing about either pitcher.
But both could be piles of shit and this would still be a win for us.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.
Hey, USSM hasn't fallen over yet!
Everyone go refr-NO JUST KIDDING
by eponymous_coward on Jul 10, 2009 12:17 PM PDT reply actions
Our two new players
Derrick Saito
A quick glance at his stats: “MEH”.
Dan Cortes
Nothing that strikes out at first glance as awesome.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:18 PM PDT reply actions
From Baker
But considering who is coming Seattle’s way, I’m sure the Mariners ate a considerable amount of Betancourt money.
Cortes is a big deal.
“He’s a big kid with a real good arm,‘’ Zduriencik told me moments ago. "We’ve been watching him the past few weeks and were real impressed with what we saw.’’
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
He actually looks okay if you go by last season. Not sure what we can attribute to
the high walk total and drop in strikeouts this year at the same level.
What does GMZ say to get this deal done?
Look, Yuni is a MAJOR league player.. I’ll just take two of your minor league players for him. Surely Two minor league players equal one MAJOR league player
Royals fans reactions
I feel sorry for them, but…
by jimmylauderdale on Jul 10, 2009 12:21 PM PDT reply actions
That is an awesome picture of Yuni.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
The best of him I've ever seen, actually.
The Yankees suck-a-doodle-doo!
by JamMasterJesus on Jul 10, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
First thing that came to my mind when I saw it:
by Vatinius on Jul 10, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Endy Harvey Chavez.
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 10, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Er, wait, no...
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 10, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
The picture or the player?
I mean, you have to know the picture, right?
Thanks. I do who both those men are, so hopefully you don't need to say "kids these days amirite" :)
I still kind of need to say it. I mean, that's an iconic image.
And no, I wasn’t born when Kennedy/Oswald were shot….
I find this fascinating.
They sound like us after the Bedard trade.
The difference being we at least got a good player as part of a shitty trade.
by eponymous_coward on Jul 10, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
While I am obviously elated, the Royals were my team as a kid before I moved here
and I really feel for their fans. What a poorly run team.
I actually feel sorry for them too. They'll never get better with moves like this.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 10, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree somewhat. Moore is following Bavasi's career path, only with even less success. This is his last stand.
Then they will get smart people in their F.O. like the Pirates and Mariners have gotten.
They're headed down the LA Clippers path if they don't.
Out of the last 15-20 years they’ve had good players and traded them away. That’s okay IF you get something in return for the future. But they got jack for players like Carlos Beltran. Carlos Beltran should’ve been a franchise deal and fallen in line with the deals of Bartolo Colon, AJ Pierzynski, and Erik Bedard. Bad, bad scouting needs to change. The Royals are still 4 to 5 years away from MAYBE competing. At least 2 or 3 years ago you could see where the Rays were headed, but this team doesn’t have an impact player in the system that’s going to be ready before 2011, as far as I know. And by that time I assume they will have traded Zack Grienke unless this FO is really going to consider becoming a good franchise.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 10, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure. I was simplifying things a good bit. I do think, though, that that's the most probable outcome (although the ownership could always hire more old school fools in the current F.O.'s place, of course)
New Kauffman stadium is a really well-done remodel, so that will preserve their revenue and payroll for the forseeable future. Plus, I think the most influential media in KC, from what I’ve seen, are as fed up with the Dayton Moore way as everyone in Seattle was with Bavasi last year. Moore’s rep is old school, traditional player-evaluation based as can be, so my sense is that KC’s ownership will probably go as hard in the progressive scouting-stats direction in 2010 or 2011 as the Mariners’ ownership did. But I know less about this than almost any reasonably well informed KC fan, so I could be wrong.
I agree
At the very least, they will move in a more progressive direction, even if they don’t land a premier GM candidate. They’re one of the last teams to start making that transition and by now the consistent awfulness must be making it clear (to their fans at least) that their entire baseball philosophy is flawed.
Cortes has had a shitty season but is a real prospect
BA had him in at #3, Sickels at #4, good curve, fastball, erratic command and some injury concerns.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 10, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Alas, my, GIF, which I loved like a woman, is no more
by Matthew on Jul 10, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs
Bah a minor offence.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Who here hasn't pissed on a fence when drunk?
I am doing it right now.
It was in Nebraska.
What the hell else are you going to do for fun in Nebraska?
--Shrug
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by Shrug on Jul 10, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aksarben.... that's Nebraska Backwards
So, let me tell you this about Nebraska…. you only need to know one thing…
’SKERS
That’s short for Huskers, all you non-midwesterners. It’s a cult and a religion all rolled into one. For fun? You have hay rack rides, shoot skeet, cow tip, drink Busch Lite and play flip cup. Nebraska is alright, but if I had to do it over again, I’d move away from there much quicker than I did. I hope this helps.
Other thoughts: Yuni for two prospects is great. Why? Because no matter how you spin it, you can’t trade a shit sandwich for much else other than another shit sandwich. I just hope these two pieces of bread named Cortez and Saito can show they were worth the gem of a ss in YB.
by A Steamy Day in Cleveland on Jul 10, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Children of the Corn?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 10, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm a bit late to the party.
I thought J-Z was in talks with the Pirates for Sanchez? What happened?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
Probably separate deals.
Pit did not like Yuni.
by jimmylauderdale on Jul 10, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
So Sanchez might still be a possibility, even if a remote one?
Awesome.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 10, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Who cares?
YUNI IS GONE, THROW A PARTY
by eponymous_coward on Jul 10, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
What are the chances of getting rid of Silva?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 10, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Zero.
Unless he has a girlfriend who he is about to break it off with.
by Wilder. on Jul 10, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Heh.
Is it his cap considerations?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 10, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
If you mean salary when you say "cap considerations", then yes.
Silva is grossly overpaid and he hasn’t pitched in 3 months on top of that.
Right, I knew that.
Meant to say salary, yes.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 10, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe AA KC is a strong hitters park, by the way.
If true this would explain some of Cortes’s numbers not measuring up to his pure stuff
by Graham MacAree on Jul 10, 2009 12:31 PM PDT reply actions
Shouldn't have really affected his K and BB numbers though, should it?
Good news, though.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 10, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
He was in AA last year though
when he posted much better K/BB numbers.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 10, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
True
He’s obviously having a worse year than he did in 2008
by Graham MacAree on Jul 10, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there a net link?
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Your ass = mine
Also Dave’s reception sucks sadly. :(
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Re Dave
If we traded for Hardy I would be so happy….
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder why the Brewers just wouldn't put Escobar at second
Even though McGehee has hit well so far
Counsell is a better hitter right now than Escobar
.352 wOBA by statcorner definitely isn’t real, but even if he puts up the .310 projected by ZiPS that’s probably better than Escobar would do. Counsell’s still at a +12 UZR/150, despite his age, too.
Also, if we won’t play Gamel, we probably won’t play Escobar.
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Send Cortes to the bullpen!
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions
Somewhere, Kermit is smiling.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
So Im reading this guy's report on him and it says he throw 92-95 with a power curve ball.
And the guy comes up with a Gil Meche comp, which I thought was amusing
What's wrong with him is he retarded or something?
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
So the Royals basically have their new Angel Berroa
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 10, 2009 12:47 PM PDT reply actions
Have we ever seen regression like this?
Was Betancourts age ever verified? Maybe he’s just hitting his mid-30’s.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 10, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Matthew's having an aggression regression.
...and now I'm here
Personally, I'm starting to hate the word regression.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.
Like when people start talking about regression because Aardsma had one of two bad outings all year?
I totally hear ya.
"You're so beautiful. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job."
What word should I use?
Not-getting-better-tude?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 10, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Regression is a statistical analysis term.
Most commonly used when referring to a regression towards the mean.
What happened to Yuni was a steady decline in skills at a very early age.
Thank you for clarification Sec 108. I appreciate that.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 10, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I've said it around here before,
but reading up on an intro to statistical analysis will do wonders for understanding the great work done here and places like Statcorner, Fangraphs and USSMariner.
Im pretty new here, so I didn't know the word regression wasn't taken lightly.
All I really meant was that usually it seems players show promise at a young age and then get better. While Yuni seemed to show a lot of promise and then just got worse and worse at a time when you should be at least staying the same if not getting better. So whatever word that is – that’s the word I want to use.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 10, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Think of it this way.
In my line of work it drives me crazy when a client uses jargon specific to my vocation in a completely improper way. That is what you did to Matthew.
Just call Yuni a waste of skin like I do.
I wonder if you were an auto mechanic and someone brought in the car and asked you to fix the transmission and pointed to the wheel, you'd beat em over the head with a tire iron.
Don’t worry, I can take it.
Beat away.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 10, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Having worked in a repair shop I can actually answer this.
The mechanic will take the wheel off, balance it, put it back on, take a break to snort some meth and then bill you for a new transmission.
That was actually pretty polite and perhaps expressing frustration. It's not just aboutyou
The word regression had been getting heavily used, in an improper fashion for awhile. It’s basically becoming a meme, if it hasn’t already.
I'm not offended. I'm happy that Sec has cleared him up so that I know what the problem with the word regression is.
It’s helpful to know these things.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 10, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not very statistically minded. But here's my take on regression, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong
For example, a pitcher is achieving above average results with below average swinging strike rates, the like. Eventually over time his results will reflect his abilities, and “regress”. Also works the other direction, if a pitcher is achieving below average results with fantastic inputs.
Yuni just sucked. More and more as time went on.
by Kermit. on Jul 10, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If it's working the other way around wouldn't it just be... progression?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 10, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
So I should be using congression?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jul 10, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not a statistician, man! I'm a diver!
I’m winging it here, I usually just say a guy is playing over his head and leave it at that. But when in Rome
This is a perfect description of how the word "regression" should be used in baseball analysis
by seattlebruin on Jul 10, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Cool, glad I have the concept down.
There have been some really interesting discussion on it in previous threads, I had them bookmarked but my bookmarks disappeared when I upgraded to Firefox 3.5, not sure what happened. My next OT post will probably be a request for people to link to any favorite SABR type discussions, I’d like to replace them.
I think you mean falling off a cliff
With your limbs bound together. Hitting every rock on the way down. And somehow managing to land just right so as to become impaled through the back door on a giant rubber sex toy at the bottom of the chasm.
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Jul 10, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I see the 'regression' issue was handled, so to answer the spirit of the question,
I think we actually see this all the time in sports, it just always feels fresh and awful when it happens to our team.
There are plenty of pitchers who flame out, usually due to injury, but also due to people just figuring them out (guys with meh stuff and weird deliveries have this happen a lot). Think Nomo, Willis, etc.
It’s weird on D, because we haven’t had a way to reliably measure range until recently. That plus the fact that defensive reputations are startlingly difficult to change (Betancourt is still seen as a defensive wizard by some) make it hard to pinpoint historical slides on defense. Still, many fans can probably name a bunch – Ken Griffey Jr. as a Mariner in the mid 90s comes to mind.
His hitting never really got worse, but his approach never got better. Many thought Betancourt would improve at the plate given his age, but hitters with his approach don’t really change unless they develop a lot more power. Betancourt didn’t do this, and he never learned to take a walk. In high BABIP years, he looked sort of good to those without advanced stats… this led many to think he was ‘progressing’ or ‘developing’ when he was really just having a few more balls in play fall in for singles. That makes years like this one look worse, though this is well within the expected range if you realize he’s just swinging at everything and doesn’t have the power to make those balls in play clear the fence.
Age: probably not.
by marc w on Jul 10, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're welcome
Betancourt’s career is really starting to mirror Garry Templeton’s. Here’s hoping we do as well in this trade as the Cards did when they traded Templeton….
Was Templeton terrible in San Diego?
I thought he had a couple of decent season there before he fell hard.
With the bat, yeah.
After having three good offensive seasons with the Cards, he never again hit at a league average level after the trade. He came close, so wasn’t some sort of total sinkhole, but he only got his OBP over .300 three years after arriving in SD.
I don’t know if his D was great or not, but it’s quite clear it wasn’t as good as Ozzie’s.
Yeah, no kidding. All I knew was that he was an all-star on a pennant winner.
Of course, I still knew that I’d rather have Ozzie Smith.
Backflips! Loved that they’d always show that on TWIB with your announcer, Mel Allen!
I think condensed games will have a substantial impact on the way defense is scouted - it hasn't really sunken in yet.
You can see every defensive play by every player in every game of the year that way – the more eyeballs on something, the better, even if eyeballs are nowhere near perfect.
Condensed games will matter much less than UZR and hit fx-based defensive analysis.
That’s a guess, but really, condensed games have been around for a long time.
As far as measuring defense goes - does that mean that until recently we were just judging these things off of highlight reels?
And that’s why Gary Mathews Jr is making 10 million a year?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 10, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Sort of. The tools just weren't there.
You had (and still have) front office people using error totals/fielding percentage, which is beyond horrible in actually measuring defensive value. The early sabermetric approaches, like RF, were a bit better, but still not really good at all, as they were hopelessly tied to a pitching staff’s batted ball profile (lots of GB pitchers, not a lot of chances for your OFs).
So highlight reel plays probably did play into it. I think part of it too is that scouts really key in on certain aspects of defense, thinking that they’re proxies for overall defensive acuity. Some times that’s true, and some times it’s not. I think some scouts are probably really good at looking for defense, and others may not be. It’s really hard.
YES YES YES!
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Time machine.
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 10, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Scott Rolen and A-Rod!
How about Scott Rolen develops a serious latte adiction and demands to be traded to the M’s?
Or A-Rod suffers mysterious accident in sexual escapade with Kate Hudson.
Dave mentioned trading for Hardy:
What’s up with his hitting regression this year? I don’t know nearly enough about him or the Brewers to comment on it, but is there a concern that he isn’t the same player?
Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders
by Woodinville_12thMan on Jul 10, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions
ISO is down.
It isn’t so much regression as he’s just been worse this year. That being said, his defense makes him an upgrade even if he keeps hitting as is, and if he manages to get back on track with the offense, then he’d be very valuable.
Doubt we can get him though.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 10, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait what the hell these prospects are worthless!
CURSE YOU DAYTON MOORE
by .Taylor on Jul 10, 2009 12:52 PM PDT reply actions
As long as they have homorous team photos I am happy
by .Taylor on Jul 10, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to rec this as if it was intentional.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
x
BenBadler: Cortes was arrested last week for drunk & disorderly conduct (being a drunk 22-year-old urinating on a fence outside a bar)
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
And really, who among us has not done this?
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 10, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
HE IS SUCH AN OUT OF CONTROL CRAZY BASTARD!
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He and Triunfel can go bowling!
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on Jul 10, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it's nice that even the retarded fans like this.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
WHERE ARE YOU NOW SCRAPPY YOU LITTLE MUTT-SHITE???
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:56 PM PDT reply actions
Felix to the DH!
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Well he did hit a grand slam off Johan Santana
Yes, we have a coupon.
by Crystal for DH on Jul 10, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Have fun with Cortes.
He’s having a bad year but he’s got a major league arm. Ugh. I think we’re going have a bridge-jumping party at Royals Review.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
I'd be kind of afraid of that PTBNL in the Freel deal.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 10, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Cortes has rebounded pretty well the last couple months after an awful start
He’s still an interesting arm…
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
This is great. We actually sort of got a good-ish prospect for him.
Too bad this isn't a reply to Bender's comment just above yours...
Or merged…
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 10, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
In honor of Yuni's time hear I think we should all take a minute and tell everyone our
favorite story about him. I’ll go first.
I liked the time he ran half-heartedly and waved at that single up the middle.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on Jul 10, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I remember the time he had rough anal sex with Jose Lopez
by Poochie on Jul 10, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I still don't understand why Biggie Smalls and A-Rod did an M's commercial
by lemonverbena on Jul 10, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you must have hit post too early because you didn't say anything
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Jul 10, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite was the time you yelled so loudly at him that people heard you while sitting above the 3rd base dugout
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Jul 10, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The time he air-mailed a throw to 1B
and then scratched his junk watching the throw sail into the dugout.
by appleshampoo on Jul 10, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Getting tagged out walking back to 1st...
It’s gotta be Yuni getting tagged out walking back to 1st base from 2nd, not waiting for Tinsley or the umps.
Be nice to Royals Review guys
It’s impolite to gloat on their blog.
And smugly offering condolences isn’t much better.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 10, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Yeah I'm stopping posting now because I went over there with genuine good intention but I notice my jubilant posts will probably understandably upset someone.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
And RR is probably the only blog we have good relations with so we don't want to mess that up...
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I just imagine what I would have done to an Orioles fan offering apologies after the Bedard clusterfuck
by Graham MacAree on Jul 10, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
At least with Bedard we got *something* nice after being kicked in the nuts hard in that trade.
With this … the Royals get nothing at all. It’s genuinely sad because I hold no malice towards the Royals, but I’ll take it.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
You can remove blogs now I think
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
You probably have a different name over there.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 10, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
My name is based on an Angels player.
If I was on HH, why would I not use this one?
angels fan in seattle
Because over there, your sig says mariners fan from so cal
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 10, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't make up an alter ego to feel better about my baseball fandom and corresponding residency!
Take some responsibility for yourself!
by appleshampoo on Jul 10, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Well balls.
Being a subscriber to Driveline Mechanics reminds me how much of a fuck up I really am sometimes.
At the top click on your user name.
When your page comes up at the bottom right of each blog in red it says “Leave Blog?” Click that and away you go.
It doesn't for me.
But really, if they just made it to show your favorite blogs on the Blogs menu up above, I wouldn’t mind having a membership to any and all of the SBN blogs.
It seems to be pretty random, sometimes a 'remove this blog' option will appear under a blog on your list. I removed one a few weeks back.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I also noticed that it is now showing the correct date when you joined the blog as well for older members.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone had come off as smug.
This is going to take some time – and a lot of alcohol – to get past. And there’s nothing you guys can do that’ll make it better or worse.
Unless you have Wheat Thins. I like Wheat Thins.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
We just traded away the next Alfonso Soriano!
/Detecto
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.
by Goose on Jul 10, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Jeeeeeeesus
He really said that? And it wasn’t satire?
by Karma Police on Jul 10, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Back in 2005 I believe, when his blog was still semi relevant.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.
Oh ok good
I couldn’t imagine people’s reaction if he said that like 10 minutes ago
by Karma Police on Jul 10, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh
I didn’t realize his blog has now become a link-farm to the good blogs.
by appleshampoo on Jul 10, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Not just good blogs.
He links to his own writing at other blogs.
...and now I'm here
Rec'd because good gravy I forgot about this!
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 10, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
The other golden statement from that source:
“Yuni Betancourt is a Grade-A hitting prospect!!!”
I love Dan Cortes solely for the fact
that he got arrested for pissing on the local street by the college with all the bars.
I don’t drink, but I enjoy going in for a Coke and chatting. And just think, I might’ve stepped in a future Mariner’s piss!
The "silver lining" to this deal at RR is that they didn't give up Butler.
God I feel for them.
The next line is Sim Pickens "What in the wide world of sports are you Kansas City faggots doing?!?"
Kind of fitting except it’s probably non-ironic usage
So great
And that line would absolutely be fitting
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Jul 10, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
He hit me in the head with a shovel!
I wish some body would hang him by the neck until he was dead!
Funny how things work out
If Yuni doesn’t slam into Endy we don’t trade for Langerhans, and maybe Yuni doesn’t burn his last shred of goodwill in the clubhouse/front office. Not to wish misfortune on Endy, but I’ll take Langerhans in LF and Not Yuni at SS.
So, “Thanks Yuni.” Now go fuck yourself.
This does mean more Ronny Cedeno and Chris Woodward now
It’s good to get rid of Yuni in the long term, and at this point I’d maybe rather watch both of them than Yuni.
Give Z a few days.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
I'd guess this makes it even more probable that we get another SS
I doubt we’d trade away Betancourt if Z didn’t have something planned. More Cedeno is garbage.
We have to make a deal
While I am glad we traded Yuni away, there is almost no way we can make a serious run with a Cedeno starting
I just love that Z had the wisdom to cut bait with Yuni
Can you imagine Bavasi making this move? Hellll no.
It’s a beautiful new day.
by lemonverbena on Jul 10, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Player A! McCracken! Everett!
The list goes on
Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org
It's gonna be a huge let down when Z finally makes a bad trade.
At this point I am looking at Z as positively as I looked at Bavasi negatively.
I love love love that article.
Drayer is awesome.
He seems like a two-pitch pitcher
He has a change, but it hasn’t gotten great reviews. But as a reliever, he’d have two plus-pitches and control issues. Perfect!
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 10, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Once he gets to work with Rob Johnson a little bit he will have the confidence
to throw a variety of pitches all the way to the backstop.
by Sec 108 on Jul 10, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Almost did a spit-take there, nice work.
Lesson learned, don’t drink water and LL.
by appleshampoo on Jul 10, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
My goodness Shannon rules.
Earlier in the season Jose Lopez made a critical error that cost his team a game in Yankee Stadium. I sat with him at his locker for a little while that night. He was very upset with himself. After a few minutes he said that he needed to come in early the next day and take some groundballs at second. “Great,” I told him. “Why don’t you bring your friend Yuni with you?”
“I don’t know Shannon. I don’t think he will come.”
by abender20 on Jul 10, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The part about him wanting him and Lopez to be Mariners forever is sad though
by Fuckmikereilly on Jul 10, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
So Lopez lost another brother..damn.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jul 10, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oooooh.
Yikes.
Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders
by Woodinville_12thMan on Jul 10, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe he should've worked harder.
If Loafie’s saddened by this, though, then I do genuinely feel bad for him.
This is so awesome!
I don’t care if both pitchers suffer from spontaneous human combustion tomorrow. We are free of that useless Cuban monkey. I can’t believe KC’s fetish with our shitty players.
"Why should I stretch? Does a cheetah stretch before it chases its prey?"
-Griffey
Ancillary benefit: the LL Racism Index just dropped 82%
by lemonverbena on Jul 10, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
And I like tits :)
See, it’s a great deal
by lemonverbena on Jul 10, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't checked...
But I presume “LastFanOfMiguelBatista” is an available username, FWIW…
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 10, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Do they pay you to clean the urinals at the Big A?
Looks like a labor of love
by lemonverbena on Jul 10, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
STOP IT I AM SITTING IN THE FRONT OF THE OFFICE
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 10, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I did make it smaller than last time.
Plus, there’s not technically anything NSFW about it.
angels fan in seattle
People who can't tell the difference between us and people who are actually racist are the sort of people I enjoy offending
by Graham MacAree on Jul 10, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, those who don't understand the subtle difference are not worthy of arcane baseball statistics
by lemonverbena on Jul 10, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I offend people by not offering them baseball stats?
That one’s new.
People who get up in arms about fake racism are racist and scared that everyone else finds out. People who are normal don’t give a shit.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 10, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more.
Chad Brown for the Ring of Honor!
by Big Seahawk Loser on Jul 10, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey guys, I figured out why the Mariners want Saito. They want to flip him to the pirates for Freddy Sanchez.
50!
by joof on Jul 10, 2009 1:35 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
That's stupid; we should get Brent Lillibridge instead
Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org
Royals fan here
Can I become a Mariners fan? I love Zduriencek.
I feel like I just got punched in the stomach.
Cortes is really, really projectable. 6-5 or 6-6 and he throws hard, great stuff, underperforming this year.
Saito is a tiny little lefty with pretty good stuff, look at his numbers from his sophomore year of college.
Don’t even tell me what we got in Betancourt, I already know. He’s a big turd. Fuck my life
You already are a Mariners fan, have you looked at the roster?
Now just stop cheering for our AAA team and come root for the MLB squad.
by abender20 on Jul 10, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wouldn't we be like the Royals AAA team since players usually go to Kansas City AFTER being Mariners
Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org
So we're on the good end of the Jose Vidro trade this time
I’ll take it
Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org
I'm just happy that Fruto never developed.
We lost Doyle, but nothing that makes the trade any worse. Unlike this trade.
Well...
Fuck me running! It is so nice to not be the stupid team anymore!
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
NOW THAT HE HAS THE MONKEY OFF HIS BACK HE WILL HIT LIKE A MIDDLE SCHOOLER
by abender20 on Jul 10, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
That RR thread, somebody hopes a new background will help him draw walks
I try and see positives, but holy crap that’s a stretch
Holy shit, last night's win, this, and now Torii Hunter and Vlad are both on the DL.
These last 24 hours have been spectacular
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo Twitter Feed
Bottom of 8th on FSN right now
Just in case you want to re-live last night :)
by Pessimistic Optimist on Jul 10, 2009 2:13 PM PDT reply actions
Yes
But the epicness of this win rapes Yuni in the face.
by Pessimistic Optimist on Jul 10, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
OH GOD I ALMOST MISSED JOSH WILSON
Thank you a million times!
by Karma Police on Jul 10, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
My family is (half) season ticket holders. We have watched a lot of horrible baseball.
So last night was just so amazing.
YAY!!!
Farewell, Yuni. For your sake, I hope you get your shit together. But now you’re someone else’s problem.
I just hope Felix isn’t sad.
by I Lick Squirrels on Jul 10, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions
It sucks a little that Felix's crew will surely be plucked away from him..
He’s buddies with a bunch of righty bats with no plate discipline. And I have a feeling those guys are heading out the door in the near future
Video of Saito
Interesting. He’d probably look even shorter not on a mound. He has a funky windup but I actually kind of like the look of him, based on nothing but pure gut instinct.
I'm falling for you, Derrick Saito.
I thought he was a tiny little junkballer. But a low-mid 90s FB with the makings of a decent curve and change?
The bit about him being a walk-on who chose the school for its engineering program was nice, too. Go Saito!
Don't forget we already have a Cal Poly engineer on the roster!
by seattlebruin on Jul 10, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I had hoped the M's would pick Saito for the hell of it in that draft
But Fontaine, as ever, sought out pitchers who were about a foot taller.
So yeah. I’m happy.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jul 10, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
So I got a hold of one of my current professors who is a Royals fan in order to gloat. His response...
“Fuck you.
Fuck your Mariners.
Fuck your Broncos.
Fuck everything in this world that you like."
Got to agree with the Broncos part
by lemonverbena on Jul 10, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Totally!
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 10, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Buster Olney
on ESPNews just said that Seattle is paying all of Yuni’s contract the remainder of this season and 5 mil of the remaining 10 mil after this season.
Still like it.
by Benjamin(not Ben) on Jul 10, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions
Ew
Well, they still got prospects and unloaded some salary.
by lemonverbena on Jul 10, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Irrelevant IMO
He’s gone. We got semi useful parts back. That’s all that matters.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.
Still a good deal.
That money was already spent. We essentially traded 2.5 years of Yuni, for 5 million dollars and two minor league arms. That’s fantastic.
The Royals will use this three million dollars
To sign Ronny :(edeno to a two-year contract after he is released by us.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jul 10, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
There was no way we were going to avoid paying most of the salary if we wanted to get anything in return
And we got something interesting and got rid of Yuni, so the money is cake.
Jack Z is on 710 ESPN right now
Missed the first part of the interview, but may be some good stuff to come out of it
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
This delights me
If he pans out, might I suggest Cortes the Killer?
And a custom made great intro song to go with it!
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Jul 10, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It amazes me how many friends are responding to me saying that they are disappointed because Yuni was good.
"You're so beautiful. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job."
Those guys aren't real friends.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
He was OK once.
A 1.5 WAR player isn’t anything special, but it’s OK. The problem is Yuni hasn’t been that good since 2007.
by eponymous_coward on Jul 10, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I talked to someone from KC and apparently the average Royals fan is pumped.
He proceeded to point out the average Royals fan is a moron.
Waiting for somebody to post the pics of our new pitcher smoking weed and taking pics of himself
in the mirror topless.
Hope we can get this boy focused on pitching
Dan Szymborski's summary of this deal is classic
Royals – Acquired Nothing
Kansas City Royals – Acquired Nothing from the Seattle Mariners for P Daniel Cortes, P Derrick Saito, and the right to not have IF Yuniesky Betancourt on the team.
The Royals clearly overpaid here. 28 other teams have also acquired the rights to not have Yuniesky Betancourt play for the teams and none of them had to give up any prospects. Betancourt will continue to not field or not hit for the Royals and push the team into having a de facto 24-man roster. If the Royals wanted to continue to recall positive aspects of the 80s, a process they started with the return of powder blue in the alternate jerseys, they should’ve signed Kurt Stillwell, who is probably a better player right now.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 10, 2009 3:12 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
GMZ must have taken pictures of Dayton Moore sniffing cocaine off Bill Bavasi or something because hahahahaha... We traded Yuni to them.
You got slurved!
Hehehe Mark Reynolds is so awesome.
Will Seattle be willing to get a huge defensive upgrade in 2B by sending Franklin Gutierrez back to Cleveland for Luis Valbuena?
And move Jose Lopez to 3rd? Indians fan here, I am sure you guys miss Luis Valbuena and wish he’s still in Seattle.
It's okay. If we need to, we can use Sizemore as our 4th OF.
...and now I'm here
My favorite part of this discussion is how Gutz has been far and away a better player than Sizemore this year.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.
What?
Why in God’s name would we do that?
...and now I'm here
Because the whole idea of drafting Dustin Ackley #2 was to move him to CF. So Franklin G has no place to play once Ackley is ready.
And Ackley profiles to be a much better offensive player.
No, sorry.
This isn’t right.
...and now I'm here
FGut has been a +3 WAR player so far this season and is 26 years old.
I seriously doubt he’ll be going anywhere.
Never. Gutz is doing his best to turn the straight male population of Washington gay for him.
Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.
Shut up already.
Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders
by Woodinville_12thMan on Jul 10, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Buy a Better Computer
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
It was killing my computer yesterday.
Is it only in this thread, or on the main page?
You're better off selling Astrubal Cabrera back to us.
Are you guys interested in Mike Sweeney by any chance?
This is the single worst trade idea of all time
after we send Gutierrez back to Cleveland for Valbuena, we should send Mark Lowe to St. Louis for Albert Pujols and Colby Rasmus
by seattlebruin on Jul 10, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of bad trades, the Mets just traded Ryan Church straight up for Jeff Francoeur.
by Coach Owens on Jul 10, 2009 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
The funny part is that this isn't even true
by seattlebruin on Jul 10, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It's close but I think the Mets trade is worse
They traded a solid regular major league player for a worthless one AND took on salary.
WTF IS GOING ON TODAY
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Jul 10, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
While helping a division rival get better!
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.
Why couldn't this have happened to the Orioles instead?
They’ve got a lot of talent coming up, most of ours actually. But those fuckers are stuck in that death trap of a division. HAHAHAHAHA.
DID YOU JUST FALL DOWN AND GIVE YOURSELF ANOTHER BEERKAKKE?
by abender20 on Jul 10, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
Please say that it will be purple with a princess on it.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jul 10, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, Jeff has officially snapped.
Looks like Matthew and Graham are gonna have to up their front-page stories!
Saying Goodbye...
Going Away. Seems like Goodbye’s such a hard thing to say. Touching a hand. Wondering why. It’s time for saying goodbye. Saying goodbye, why is it sad? Makes us remember the good times we’ve had. Much more to say, foolish to try. It’s time for saying goodbye.
Somehow I know, we’ll meet again
Not sure quite where and I don’t know just when
You’re in my heart so until then
Wanna smile
Wanna cry
Saying goodbye
...and now I'm here
I with Coach on this one
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
That blue fedora with the plaid ribbon Sims wore the other day was so NOT awesome
But at least he knows the difference between a change-up and a plain off-speed pitch, no offense to Dave Niehaus.
RON FAIRLEY
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Jul 10, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Without a doubt Ron Fairly.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jul 10, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just look over to any guy that sat next to Kevin for the Sonics. As far as the city of Seattle goes.
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 10, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I still like Rizzs quite a bit.
...and now I'm here
I can't stand him.
First off, he’s an idiot (said that Michael Young was above average defensively during yesterday’s game, for example). Secondly he has that weird talking style where he has an upward tilt at the end of every sentence.
First off,
expecting all announcers to know advanced statistics already seems foolish, and does not make one an “idiot.” Secondly, you welcome your right to hate him, but I do not.
...and now I'm here
Rizzs' voice has become as synonymous to Mariners baseball as Dave Niehaus.
I tune out what Rizzs says a lot of times, but listening to his voice is comforting.
by Wilder. on Jul 10, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't expect Rizzs to generally know advanced statistics.
But I can’t stand him saying that Young’s above-average defensively in the way that he did. He seemed to act as if it was obviously a true statement.
He spoke to a group I was in before a game one night. he took some Q and A,
and I asked, “I love your play by play, Rick. I already know what I need to know about the players, so I want to ask if you’ve ever considered trimming your eyebrows?”
The crowd laughed, and after everything was done he found me, pulled me aside, and said, “You’re an asshole. But at least you’re a funny asshole.” Boy does he get me or what??
Illegible
by kevin_ess on Jul 10, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Haha, that is awesome.
Rick really does have a great play-by-play and that is what he is paid to do. But I think he’s stuck around all of these years because he has great public relations skills.
Yes, yes he does!
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jul 10, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Most people think Jeter has been amazing defensively as well.
I would not consider them idiots either, unless they consider themselves analysts, which Rizzs is not. In addition, like most announcers, he would rarely say anything negative about another player anyway. Early last year I heard Dave refer to Betancourt as a great defensive shortstop. He is not an idiot either.
...and now I'm here
I'm with you. He seems lazy.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
I meant Rizz.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
I don't hate Rizzs, but I agree with Coach here.
Part of what started my loathing of Yuni was hearing Rick tell me every freaking day that he was the next Omar Vizquel when it was clear he was not.
Hendu then Rizz
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
I didn't like Sims when he first was annoucing either
But now I like him a lot..
by superJAYdude7 on Jul 10, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the call that endeared me to Sims.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.
What exactly do people have against Sims?
He is a great play-by-play guy and his baseball ignorance is refreshing because the emotion is real. Sims also makes a fair analysis for both teams (he’s not a homer). We are really lucky to have the broadcasting crew we have. Rick Rizzs isn’t the best, but he is great with public relations, which is important.
Would you like me to kill you today?
Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org
by Corco on Jul 10, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Take five minutes away from your computer, Jeff, cool down and then try to post more calmly.
If you can’t I, frankly, don’t blame ya.
I have been thinking about this for hours
by Jeff Sullivan on Jul 10, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It's just that there is Joy in Mudville
Stumbly Yuni has shipped out
by lemonverbena on Jul 10, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone know where to find the instructions to post a link?
I can’t believe I don’t know this shit yet.
You see that little icon under the subject line that looks like links in a chain?
Highlight some text, click the link, paste your url.
You were late, Kevin. I win.
WINNNNNNNEEEERRRRRRR!
No... NO.
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
I’ll fuck you up, Kevin.
This reminds me...
What should I do with my busted Yuni bobblehead? I think maybe using the head as a golf ball might be a nice sendoff, any other ideas?
I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.
by ralphie81 on Jul 10, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Better hit with a bat. Only seems fitting.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 10, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Only if you pop it out to second.
Racer X. You have to love those amarillo hops.
I don't have the Morrow one.
But I’ll be getting Gutz’s.
I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.
So where is Cortes' like destination and is it a pitcher-friendly league?
by Kenny Knows Sports on Jul 10, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions
You could always go practice in an older thread, I did that for posting gifs to get the size adjustment right
I kept getting random text next to the picture until I figured out what I was doing wrong
omg
"Wow! Really?" said Willie Bloomquist, who spent the previous four years as Betancourt’s teammate. "He’s very, very talented to the point where — and I’ve told him this — he could be the best defensive shortstop in the game hands down.
"And offensively, he can swing it."
The hits keep comin'
"Come on…" pitcher Gil Meche said when informed of the trade. "He’s pretty darn good. He’s fun to play with. I can tell you that pitching against him _ he’s not an easy guy to pitch to. He’s got some pop.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"For two minor-league pitchers?" said outfielder José Guillen, who spent 2007 with the Mariners. "Are you serious? How weird is that? I’m totally surprised. That’s all I can tell you. I’m shocked. That kid is pretty darn good."
He's as good at player evaluation as he is in right field!
by Mariner John on Jul 10, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
x
"Wow! Really?" said Willie Bloomquist
I imagined that in a Beaver Cleaver voice.
by appleshampoo on Jul 10, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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If the reaction of once-and-future teammates is any indication, the Royals pulled off a steal of a trade Friday afternoon in acquiring shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt from Seattle for two minor-league pitchers.
If the reaction of anyone with a brain is any indication, however, the Royals got Fed in the A.
I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.
Many of these players stopped playing with Betancourt when he was still good
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Ignore the content of the article. Ignore the quotes.
Look at the picture they chose of Yuni in action.
This should tell you what the good folks at the Kansas City Star really think of this trade.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jul 10, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't followed either of these guys
but Derrick Saito’s #‘s don’t look too bad (47.7%GB, 4.24 tRA, 0.3 WAR) in Single A.
Whatever the case, we could’ve traded him for half a bottle of warm Blue Moon and I still would’ve been happy. Thank god we don’t have his dark ass on this team anymore.
WELCOME TO THE ZONE.
Woooooooooo!!!!!
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
But, hey, if Cortes never pans out, one thing I may suggest (h/t USSM/Slurve/Jay) is that we don’t use the “STAB! STAB! STAB!” thing with him…
This signature space for rent.
He could protect leads from being stabbed?
I have no idea how that would work.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jul 10, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Here we are.
The good stuff.
Jose Guillen : "For two minor-league pitchers?" said outfielder José Guillen, who spent 2007 with the Mariners. "Are you serious? How weird is that? I’m totally surprised. That’s all I can tell you. I’m shocked. That kid is pretty darn good."
Willie Bloomquist: "Wow! Really?" said Willie Bloomquist, who spent the previous four years as Betancourt’s teammate. "He’s very, very talented to the point where — and I’ve told him this — he could be the best defensive shortstop in the game hands down.
"And offensively, he can swing it."
Gil Meche: "Come on…" pitcher Gil Meche said when informed of the trade. "He’s pretty darn good. He’s fun to play with. I can tell you that pitching against him _ he’s not an easy guy to pitch to. He’s got some pop.
"And as far as playing shortstop, he’s one of the best I’ve seen. He makes tough plays look really easy."
Dayton Moore: "The bottom line is he’s an upgrade for our team today," general manager Dayton Moore said. "And based on other opportunities that we have evaluated for the next year or two, he’s an upgrade there as well.
"He’s a very talented shortstop with a chance to make an impact with the glove and the bat. He’s somebody who has always hit a lot of doubles. His on-base percentage is something that’s lacking, but he’s a career .279 hitter."
…………………………………………………………………………………………
Good lord.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 10, 2009 4:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Another quote:
“We are uniformly unable to evaluate the talent of our co-worker”
He's got some pop?
Does Meche mean soda, or is he referring to popups?
I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.
by ralphie81 on Jul 10, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Soda. I hear Meche is a hug fan of Mexican Coke.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 10, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
Ichiro even. I have no idea what this is about but it is disgusting.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 10, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Word filtering
He’s very, very talented to the point where — and I’ve told him this — he could be the best defensive shortstop in the game hands down.
…if he gave a damn. Oh and did I say could? Sorry, I meant could have.
I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.
This thread is pretty damn hilarious:
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/7/10/945143/mets-trade-church-for-frenchy
Those Mets fans are genuinely funny!
Shannon Drayer on 710 talking about the trade right now, if anyone is interested
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Drayer is seriously awesome.
There’s so much commentary on everything Mariners-related these days, but her take is always interesting. She’s seems to pick up on and see stuff that nobody else does.
Wait, who?
What?
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jul 10, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
She was talking about his first year up here, when his family was still stranded back in Cuba, and how hard it was. It’s a genuinely rough story, for sure. Plus, I think Drayer is essentially the team Mom (in a good way!), so you can’t blame her.
I don't.
I was merely pointing it out.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 10, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It was the "they" that confused me.
I know that Dreyer has defended Yuni, but I was thinking that they were getting some current Mariners reactions.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jul 10, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh man - from Amazin' Avenue
Jeff Francoeur has been acquired from the Braves for Ryan Church and cash.
We traded +2.0 WAR for -1.9 WAR and we still PAID for that!!
angels fan in seattle
According to the Mets GM, Francouer has more upside?
Did they not see that Francouer was about to lose his job to Matt Diaz?
Wait WHAT?!
they sent the Braves money too!?!!
by seattlebruin on Jul 10, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if Yuni improves...
this isn’t one of those situations where the M’s could be blamed for giving him up too early. Hindsight will be useless in evaluating this. Well, more useless.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jul 10, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't feel bad if that did happen
I am 100% confident that it never would have happened here, so the point is moot to me at least.
If you have visual evidence of Guillen kicking Yuni in the butt
I will pay you for it.
Yuni's defense did drop off significantly after Guillen left
And since correlation is as a good as causation, that must be the ticket!
Ok, who's ironic and hilarious friend is this!?
My gf just sent this pic to me from down by Safeco:
Speaking of clueless.
Ha, I didn’t even know anyone owned a Betancourt jersey.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 10, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
It's funny.
Yesterday at the Bellevue Mariners store, Morse had replaced Betancourt on the clearance T-Shirt rack. Betancourt will shortly be back on the rack, joining Ibanez, Morse, Bloomquist, and Sexson.
by Mariner Melee on Jul 10, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yuni == Marvin Throneberry
Poor Yuni! He’d become the scapegoat and joke of the team, as Marvin Throneberry was to the 1962 Mets. It only took 3 hours for 2 ESPN & Sports Illustrated articles to come out mocking KC for this trade. Zach Greinke should invest in some knee braces now!
Seriously, he needed to go. But I hope for his sake he turns his carrer around.
I hope he's successful too, but evidence doesn't make that look too likely
by seattlebruin on Jul 10, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope Yuni is selling meat door-to-door by October
by lemonverbena on Jul 10, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Good day sir or madam
Might I interest you in some Silva jerkey?
Badler seems to disagree with my assessment
He still has an good spin on it though.
“For me, Dan Cortes is a mediocre prospect. But Betancourt’s best-case scenario doesn’t even sniff mediocrity”
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
Dan Cortes is really into himself - this website rounded up the embarrassing photos of him that are circulating on the internet.
http://www.ohlalaparis.com/ohlalaparis/2008/01/ohlala-daniel-c.html
It’s the second hit on google images. It’s probably safe for work, but the website seems to be flamingly gay so proceed with caution (lot’s of underwear model-type pictures, etc.)
If the man can pitch
I couldn’t care less if he’s posting pictures of his choad (sp)?
He's passed out naked on a toilet on one of them. Churchill is reporting he's been told Cortes has
a drinking problem.
"a drinking problem"
Yes, that was a possible concern given that story about him and his run-in with the police.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jul 10, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This time I'd like a little less suck
But still a goofy name (I’ve previously loved Pineiro, Pirkl, and Brian Turang).
So Langerhans is right up my alley. And Tui’s from my hometown.
Also
Yuni is no longer a Seattle Mariner. Traded for choad pictures is okay,
Sorry, I'm new
Meant this to be in previous sub-thread
So, does Yuni's departure improve the defense of the left-fielder ever so slightly... or at least decrease injury probability?
"You're so beautiful. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job."
Gee whiz
That massive 3 team trade last season, the Langerhans trade, and now this?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
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