The 2009 Draft: Supplemental, Second, and Third Rounds
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 5:41 PM PDT
Email
Print
33. Mariners: Steven Baron, C (Ferguson High School, Florida)
34. Rockies: Rex Brothers, LHP (Lipscomb)
35. Diamondbacks: Matt Davidson, 3B (Yucaipa High School, California)
36. Dodgers: Aaron Miller, LHP (Baylor)
37. Blue Jays: James Paxton, LHP (Kentucky)
38. White Sox: Josh Phegley, C (Indiana)
39. Brewers: Kentrail Davis, CF (Tennessee)
40. Angels: Tyler Skaggs, LHP (Santa Monica High School, California)
41. Diamondbacks: Chris Owings, SS (Gilbert High School, South Carolina)
42. Angels: Garrett Richards, RHP (Oklahoma)
43. Reds: Brad Boxburger, RHP (USC)
44. Rangers: Tanner Scheppers, RHP (St. Paul Saints)
45. Diamondbacks: Mike Belfiore, LHP (Boston College)
46. Twins: Matt Bashore, LHP (Indiana)
47. Brewers: Kyle Heckathorn, RHP (Kenneshaw)
48. Angels: Tyler Kehrer, RHP (Eastern Illinois)
49. Pirates: Victor Black, RHP (Dallas Baptist)
50. Nationals: Jeff Kobernus, 2B (California)
51. Mariners: Rick Poythress, 1B (Georgia)
52. Padres: Everett Williams, CF (McCallum High School, Texas)
53. Pirates: Brooks Pounders, RHP (Temacula High School, California)
54. Orioles: Mychal Givens, RHP (HB Plant High School, Florida)
55. Giants: Thomas Joseph, C (Horizon High Scool, Arizona)
56. Dodgers: Blake Smith, RHP (California)
57. Reds: Billy Hamilton, SS (Taylorsville High School, Mississippi)
58. Tigers: Andrew Oliver, LHP (Oklahoma State)
59. Rockies: Nolan Arenado, C (El Toro High School, California)
60. Diamondbacks: Eric Smith, RHP (Rhode Island)
61. White Sox: Trayce Thompson, CF (Santa Margarita High School, California)
62. Rangers: Tom Mendonca, 3B (Fresno State)
63. Indians: Jason Kipnes, CF (ASU)
64. Diamondbacks: Mark Krauss, OF (Ohio)
65. Dodgers: Garrett Gould, RHP (Maize High School, Kansas)
66. Marlins: Bryan Berglund, RHP (Simi Valley High School, California)
67. Cardinals: Robert Stock, C (USC)
68. Blue Jays: Jake Elioupoulos, LHP (Sacred Heart Catholitc High School, Ontario)
69. Astros: Tanner Bushue, RHP (South Central High School, Illinois)
70. Twins: Billy Bullock, RHP (Florida)
71. White Sox: David Holmberg, LHP (Port Charlotte High School, Florida)
72. Mets: Steven Matz, LHP (Ward Melville High School, New York)
73. Brewers: Max Walla, 'LF' (Albuquerque Academy, New Mexico)
74. Brewers: Cameron Garfield, C (Muietta High School, California)
75. Phillies: Kelly Dugan, CF (Notre Dame High School, California)
76. Yankees: John Murphy, C (The Pendleton School, Florida)
77. Red Sox: Alex Wilson, RHP (Texas A&M)
78. Rays: Kenneth Diekroeger, SS (Menlo School, California)
79. Cubs: David LeMahieu, 2B (Loiusiana State)
80. Angels: Patrick Corbin, LHP (Chipola Junior College, Florida)
81. Nationals: Trevor Holder, RHP (Georgia)
82. Mariners: Kyle Seager, 3B (UNC)
83. Padres: on the clock (I no longer care now)
84. Pirates:
85. Orioles:
86. Giants:
87. Braves:
88. Reds:
89. Tigers:
90. Rockies:
91. Royals:
92. Athletics:
93. Rangers:
94. Indians:
95. Diamondbacks:
96. Dodgers:
97. Marlins:
98. Cardinals:
99. Blue Jays:
100. Astros:
101. Twins:
102. White Sox:
103. Mets:
104. Blue Jays:
105. Brewers:
106. Phillies:
107. Yankees:
108. Red Sox:
109. Rays:
110. Cubs:
111. Astros:
745 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
I wish they'd speed this up a little.
It’s like they’re trying to go out of their way to make this hard to watch.
15 Mins
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Don't think so, I've been watching it online.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/draftlive_app.jsp
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
quicker picks will make up the pace within the first five picks
Don't believe the lies Bill!!!! look at the sparkly ERA!!! Sparkly, Sparkly!!! - McCovey Chronicles
I hope not.
I want to see us go for a sliding pitcher here.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jun 9, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Dave seems to be saying if they go for Baron at 33 it is because
they think they can go for an over slot guy at 51, if and only if that is the case, I won’t mind it.
This is what I'm talking about.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Oh, and Baron at 51..he'll be there.
I fucking hate you Mariners
My apologies if this is a stupid question, but how does the compensation round work?
My Mariners blog - SodoMojo
I don't understand how NYY got a first round pick.
I think I’d have to see the proof.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Comp for their failure to sign Gerritt Cole
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems unfair that they have any picks in the first 150 or so.
I’d hoped they were going to take any of those away as well.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
He's not my first choice, but I'd be very happy with Poythress. I love me some power.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
Yeah, I grew up not to far from Athens and saw him play as a freshman
good bat, just wished it was left handed
Probably not enough
Either way BPA here please
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
You could make a case for it but I'd go Paxton and then Poythress with some Stassi on the side
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Heard Zduriencik on NPR earlier today.
He was asked about his drafting strategy and replied that it wasn’t about drafting a SS or a CF, it’s about drafting the best possible players. Love to hear that.
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
They're showing replays of the first round right now
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay. I was just about to complain about why they're showing the Strasburg interview over and over again
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
That's pretty lame
Was the team this concerned about the money Ackley is going to get…the make two “reach” picks?
This draft just took a dump
I fucking hate you Mariners
And I'd call bullshit on them.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Well, the silver lining is that this gives us more money to go over slot at #51.
Still, if he turns into Rob Johnson 2.0 I’m going to be pretty pissed.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
And then the Rockies had to go and take Brothers and destroy my optimism.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
We still have time to take a top 200 prospect at 51!
I fucking hate you Mariners
If it makes you feel any better
We’re also getting shut out by the Orioles
Hey look, it's a catcher with speed!
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Catching prospects are so much fun to watch and develop
Let’s just get 35 of them! And make sure every one of them is either marginally talented or has degenerative knees!
I think saying that this draft blows is a tad bit of an overreaction.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
Agreed..the draft just did take a dump on itself though. That's all I'm saying.
I fucking hate you Mariners
*recent picks
I fucking hate you Mariners
He seems decent to me, but nothing about him stands out.
And there were some great pitchers we could have had instead.
I really can't find any justification for this
Are we just going to throw the world at Ackley?
What might the contract be like?
4 years, 10Mil? Or am I way off?
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
from Dave:
“We told you guys this was happening – the M’s cut a pre-draft deal with Baron last week. He’s going to sign for below slot, as on talent, he’s more in the 50-100 range.
In case you’ve forgotten, Baron’s a catcher with great defensive tools and a questionable bat. The M’s think there’s more offense in there, and he could be a Yadier Molina type long term. I know, it’s not that exciting, especially considering some of the names that were on the board, but this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. We knew this was coming. "
YEAH BUT THIS RUINS THE PICKS WE ALREADY MADE
WHO CARES IF THEY WERE GOOD EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONTEXT
Take Baron with you.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Can't they not pick him?
Or is that just in the first round
by seattlesundevil on Jun 9, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Second round.
He is pricey I doubt they take him.
by Mariner Melee on Jun 9, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't that Crow that the Nats drafted last year?
And thus couldn’t be drafted again.
The Nationals drafted Crow last year
Not Sheppers.
Wow I'm dumb.
Too much draft stuff going on in my head apparently
by seattlesundevil on Jun 9, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow there are a couple good anems on the board still.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
It will be hilarious if Scheppers falls to us at #51.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Wow all the teams have been drafting weirdly except for the Rockies who are just beasting it.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
Franklin and Ackley were good picks.
We knew about the Baron deal, and why they were doing it, for over a week.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
If they go over at 51 it all works anyway
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but now they can afford to overslot at #51. Lots of guys are falling right now.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Franklin wasn't BPA, he was a need and signability pick
And Baron was a signability pick too, which doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
It was a reach, but it wasn't a huge reach.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
Just so you gys know
Pretty much the whole blogosphere hated the Adam Jones pick too. We were all convinced he wouldn’t hit and his future was on the mound.
YES! Baron is similar to Adam Jones!
I fucking hate you Mariners
I'd just like to remind everyone that our scouting department knows what the hell it's doing.
Wait things out before y’all flip
Yeah, we've known about Baron for more than a week now. I don't get why everyone is freaking out over it.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
I'm guessing it's because we didn't think..
that this many high guys would still be available.
One cannot wait and THEN flip out.
It must be immediate and with ill conceived rage.
Your favorite meme is dead
"He's a baseball player."--random guy on MLB.com
Thank you for the hard-hitting analysis, Pravda.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
The Rangers' farm system just got even more loaded.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Hey and look he's staying in the division!
I hope his shoulder secretly deals crack at a playground and gets locked up for five to ten.
Andrew Oliver for 2nd rounder I guess or Luke Bailey.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
So who's a good pick to hope for now?
Am I sad that Bashore is gone?
I think there's a difference between witty and WTF.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Assuming his shoulder doesn't blow up.
There’s a reason he fell this far.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Who the hell is Kyle Hecklethorn?
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
I'm hoping for Oliver, Poythress, or Bailey even with the 51st.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
And I feel like the M's went to tha dollar store with $1.35 to spend.
I fucking hate you Mariners
The organisation's strength is in the draft
Trust them at least through the end of the day
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't fuck this up M's Oliver, Bailey or Poythress
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
WOOOOOOO POYTHRESS!
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
Time to start trading for high minors pitching
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably not unless they can somehow trade him then re-sign him next year
They probably are going to spend big free agent money on a good starter though, yeah.
No thank you.
He’s not pitching with a secret injury not even he knows of, but he’s not a good investment and he’s not been as good this year as in 2007.
I thought we didn't pick until 52?
What did I miss?
Polythress? I hadn't heard anything about this guy
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 6:26 PM PDT reply actions
But based on Brian's comment he must be a catcher
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Similar to LaPorta
Defensively he maxes out as a average 1B. Offensively, there’s 30+ HR potential
by JLC on Jun 9, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Carp, Clement, Nelson, Shelton, Pothyress, Dunigan, LaHair
by Mariner Melee on Jun 9, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Argh. I was guessing between "Rabin" and "Raben".
My one problem with Bing is that it doesn’t have a spell check feature.
Rapin' Raben!
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Dunigan seems to be killing the ball.
You notice something?
by Mariner Melee on Jun 9, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
IF we can somehow get Andy Oliver with the 3rd round pick I'd be a happy man.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
I imagine that Z will be going after other club's pitchers this July
considering the way this draft is going.
Have you seen our offense?
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 9, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Branyan probably won't be around when Poly is ready...
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
True, but it's not like Branyan cost a lot to acquire
First basemen that can hit aren’t too difficult to find
by JLC on Jun 9, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but having one for free that has an unknown upside is always happy.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Sexson, Vidro, Cairo?
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 9, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
First basemen that can hit aren't difficult to find if you're not a retarded GM
by JLC on Jun 9, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
From USSM
“Do you want a guy who can hit the ball over the wall? Meet Rich Poythress, a prodigious power hitter who can really whack the baseball. He’s right-handed and a 1B/DH type, which is why he fell to the second round, but the guy can really turn on a fastball. He had a monster year in the SEC, and as late as a few weeks ago was looked at as a mid-first round guy.
This is a nice value in the second round, even though he might not be a great fit for Safeco. I wouldn’t be surprised if he developed fairly quickly and was used as a trade chip to get something else that might fit the M’s needs next year or the year after. "
Same here.
That’s why I was shocked when all of a sudden everyone started talking about a pick of ours.
How do bats like Poythress' translate?
Do guys with power and slower bats tend to see their AVG drop a lot when they hit the majors?
Nickname suggestion: The Poython.
Poythagoreon Theorem.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
Oh ho ho.
You have NO idea what it’s like to ride the Robert Rollercoaster!
John Carlson has aids.
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 9, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Like marital aids ala Manny?
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
DAMMIT NOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY TOOK ANDY OLIVER!
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
Hey Graham, do you know where I can find HS stats?
I’m looking for Nick Franklin’s 2009.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
I cannot wait to celebrate our farm system this August.
1. Ackley. 2. Saunders. 3 Top pitcher we got for Bedard. 4. Triunfel. 5. A pitcher we got for either Beltre or Washburn. 6. Moore. 7. Halman. Whoooooo!
With the influx of talent from the draft and from trades this summer we're guaranteed a well above average system
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I guess I'll wait to see what happens on the trade front and in the
international market. I just don’t see many ML regulars down there. Ackley, Saunders, Moore, Triunfel?
Ramirez as a SP?
Couple of relievers.
I don’t know, I just don’t see a good system. I think after tonight we’re about middle of the pack
Even before today's draft, the Mariners have had a system that is, if anything, deep.
While our top-5 prospects haven’t been anything terribly special, our 5-15 are remarkably solid.
So as someone with no knowledge of the MLB draft
this makes zero sense to me. Wouldn’t it have made more sense to go Ackley, Poythress, Franklin and then Barron? Why leave talent floating out there like that? Was it because they knew a very good player would still be there at 51 and he would command considerably less money at that pick while they would be able to significantly underslot Barron?
I don’t have any problems with the players taken but the whole process seems screwy to me.
Well, we cut a deal with Baron at 33
Franklin probably wasn’t going to be there at 51 they though, so he went at 27. That leaves us Poythress at 51
And cutting a deal with Baron at 33 a week before the draft isn't weird?
Why would a team limit themselves like that, especially for a player that I would assume would be there with or without that deal?
Watch it live!
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/draftlive_app.jsp
refresh it if it just stops though.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
Tommy Lasorda everyone.
A good pick too. But really, I just wish that he would read all the picks.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
I don't understand how I'm so far behind everyone, when it's all online.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Yeah they are.
I don’t know that the two are correlated, but the M’s are supposed to be making waves on the international front.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jun 9, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I recall where I read it - maybe it was Churchill - but the M's are supposedly planning on spending
about 3x what they did last year on the international market.
Crap.
Liked Gould, liked Eliopolous (Fontaine would have been all over him)…
Hmm…
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
Luke Bailey is still out there I guess...
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
What position does Stassi play?
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Better upside than Baron, I'm assuming?
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Aww there goes Walla.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
So much for the "Walla Walla" puns.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Huh, Cameron goes over Stassi.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
I think it may be Alex Wilson.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
The ? was twofold
who is it , and the M’s take the best pitcher available with that pick?
Your favorite meme is dead
Hopefully we get Bailey, Wilson or Stassi with the 82st!
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
Wait, what? He's still around? What happened to him?
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Tommy John Surgery!
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
I'm surprised Paul O'Neil is representing the Yankees
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Eh?
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
It was Tino...
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
And there goes Murphy.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Could someone please tell assure me that Braxton Lane will not be drafted in the next to rounds?
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Dear Joevan, Develop motor skills. Love, ATQ.
Is this fake title thing some sort of joke I didn't catch?
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
I just wanted to be able to strike through a word.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Dear Joevan, Develop motor skills. Love, ATQ.
Aha. I've seen it off and on, and wasn't sure.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Yep, only when absolutely necessary.
It’s the alternative to the dreaded absent subject line.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Dear Joevan, Develop motor skills. Love, ATQ.
By the way, I enjoyed reading this: http://www.addictedtoquack.com/2009/6/2/896967/do-not-go-gentle-into-that#comments
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
You did? How'd you find it?
Thank you sir. The other guys didn’t receive it as well as I’d hoped.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Dear Joevan, Develop motor skills. Love, ATQ.
We need
"Even the stupidest of men, by some instinct of nature, is convinced on his own that with more observations his risk of failure is diminished."
-Jacques Bernoulli Ars conjectandi 1713
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 9, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude.... c'mon
"Even the stupidest of men, by some instinct of nature, is convinced on his own that with more observations his risk of failure is diminished."
-Jacques Bernoulli Ars conjectandi 1713
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 9, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Stassi is a guy who is desirable
Stasi was the name of the most repressive and effective secret service of the 20th century. That was their company logo.
"Even the stupidest of men, by some instinct of nature, is convinced on his own that with more observations his risk of failure is diminished."
-Jacques Bernoulli Ars conjectandi 1713
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 9, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Two rounds done, with Bailey and Stassi still on the board.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
BAiley or Strassi c'mon M'S!
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
Oh dear... Kyle Sieger?
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
Must have a biased scout in house.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Dear Joevan, Develop motor skills. Love, ATQ.
That worked well for getting Santana...
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
I understand the sentiment completely.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Another UNC player? I'll defer to Dave's opinion on this one.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Scouting report doesn't look bad on him...but obviously it's not going to make a player look bad on MLB.com
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
I'm fine with an "okay"-hitting second baseman.
I wonder what the flags on him are, though.
Not a lot of power
Which is okay if you’re a second baseman, but bad if you’re a third baseman
by JLC on Jun 9, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Lopez better watch his back.
MLB.com:
Seager is another advanced bat from the University of North Carolina. While not as elite as teammate Dustin Ackley, he can swing the stick pretty well. He doesn’t have a ton of power and that could help dictate what position he plays professionally. He’s played both second and third well, but most feel he’s best suited for the former, where his offensive skill set profiles better. As a pretty good offensive middle infielder, he could go pretty high on Draft day.
I like the idea of Franklin and Seager being our starting MIF by '12.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Nah, just Franklin.
Let’s sign a big-time 2B. We have the cash.
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Kyle Seager isn't too bad if he can stick at 2B
Interesting that they’re going with all hitters, and a few of them may be ready for the majors soon
You know what, Graham? You're retarded. How does that feel? I bet you feel bad now.
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Ackley was the obvious pick, no points there.
The second and third picks weren’t even close to BPA, therefore suck.
Poythress was a good value pick.
Seager is… well, let’s just say not a good pick when the M’s had a chance to make a great one.
Realistically B-/C+ seems fair.
legitmatemlbdraftboard.com
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Congratulations you're one of the people who doesn't think the Mariners have a budget
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I though our money-saving technique was to overslot someone that slid, not pick up a high school shortstop.
And then pass on Stassi later.
Poythress will go for a decent amount over second round slot
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not asking to break the bank or anything, though, as we've heard with some of the other picks.
Like, did we really need to skimp on our 2nd and 3rd picks for… Poythress!?
If we did then I’m disappointed with the money alotted the M’s for this draft.
It really depends on Ackley's bonus demands, doesn't it?
Baron is still the only guy I don’t like
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I guess I'm just disappointed that our FO wasn't given more money to play with.
If they were, it’s hard to see them passing on Paxton and Scheppers with their second pick or Stassi in round 3.
Also, don't we lose the sandwich pick completely if we don't sign a guy with it this year?
If so, then you should be fairly safe with it so you don’t get boned by contract demands while you have no leverege or lose it totally.
We haven't got a single pitcher anywhere near MLB ready in our system or out of the draft. Our system is in dire need of more polished pitching.
As opposed to the raw arms we’ve got in A ball.
If only we had a starter we could trade for some quality pitching prospects!
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't that what we did when passing on both Scheppers and Paxton for Franklin?
Either of those pitchers were more talented than Franklin.
But much less safe and signable, which is why Franklin was drafted
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Would the substaintially lower odds of signing Paxton than Franklin make Franklin the "BPA" at 27 in your opinion, then?
I’m genuinely curious, if this comes across as being smart-assed.
I disagree completely.
I would give us a B+. Ackley, Polythress and Franklin are excellent picks (via Cammy)
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this
Those three are great picks. Baron was a reach but shouldn’t be shocking to anyone. We all knew he was coming at 33 for a week
I give it a solid "B"
The Baron pick is a head-scratcher, but if it saves us some money to get Ackley signed and make waves in the international FA pool, more power to them.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
Yeah, I know. "Head-scratcher" is probably the wrong term.
On second thought, I’d bump my grade up to B+. I really can’t find much to complain about this.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
It would be a dumb pick in MLB 2K9, but in real life teams have things like budgets. I'm perfectly fine with paying less money to a guy like Baron if the money saved is enough to get Ackley signed.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
One of them is bound to have a good enough arm for that.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
We take Baron at 33 and Bailey and Stassi are still available some ~50 picks later.
Awesome.
me so cool
There's likely a good reason for that
I imagine that none of Bailey, Stassi or Myers are going to pass up college in favor of getting slot money in the later rounds
by JLC on Jun 9, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Basically,
they don’t want to pay for top amateur arms and are drafting a bunch of college bats.
"Even the stupidest of men, by some instinct of nature, is convinced on his own that with more observations his risk of failure is diminished."
-Jacques Bernoulli Ars conjectandi 1713
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 9, 2009 7:16 PM PDT reply actions
I really like this pick.
Infact, the only people who are complaining about this draft are the ones saying we had to take SP. I’d rathe this a B+ We got a Switch hitting SS, Lefty 2B, The best hitter in the draft and the best power hitter in the draft. I like it.
As a side note this link applies to us now:
Entirely agree.
The only caveat being that I really, really want to see the FO go after some pitching talent while scouring the trade market. Otherwise, I love our haul.
We seem to have a lot better luck with IFA pitchers anyways.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
International pitchers tend to be young.
I’m more interested in getting some arms that can help us in 2010-11.
Bedard + Beltre?
Clement even?
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
If we get just a few, I'll be happy.
Honestly, though, I’m probably a little more conservative than most here in that I don’t expect us to really compete next year, and we are much more likely to get HighA/AA arms than upper minors true prospects for anyone we trade off.
Not to mention by the time 2 years roll around there’ll be a good possibility of some of our current AA arms being MLB ready. I don’t see a need to overstock ourselves for pitchers at the expense of a more well rounded haul.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Aside from Hensley (who's getting lit up there), we don't have any AA arms though - all our good ones are in High Desert and Clinton.
I think 2012 is more realistic for most of them.
Ramirez, Pineda, Lorin, Prinabic, and Kesparek all look promising, though.
Well, if we would just start Morrow.........
Felix, Morrow, RRS would make a nice 3
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
You're probably right
I guess if the plan is to trade for pitching with the trade pieces we’ve got this year it will look like a great draft. But we do need pitching one way or the other.
Expecting GMZ to patch every hole in the organization on day one of the draft seems a little lofty.
I’m pretty damn pleased with how we did today.
That's not what I meant, though
I just don’t really like taking two signability picks with 27 and 33 because that probably suggests that the team is either overvaluing what Ackley will cost or having payroll reduced further, which wouldn’t be their fault but still sucks for us.
Franklin is a switch-hitting shortstop.
That’s pretty damn awesome.
Switch-hitting shortstop
With above average D. Sign me up every time.
where do you see above average D? I think the pick is fine. He's a solid all around SS
but I dont see anyone projecting above average defense
Franklin seems like the type of kid who, if he went to college, would be a top-10 pick in three years.
A switch hitter who looks like he’s going to stick at SS? Yes please.
Hes fucking 18!
Jesus
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 9, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course. He's 18, and a switch hitter.
He still has a lot of time to develop, though.
They are much more to do with ability to hit for power than ability to hit at all
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
And power is the #1 tool for position player prospects.
I’m not saying there’s no chance he reaches the bigs, but unless he develops power he’s switch-hitting Bloomquist with defense.
A powerhitting SS? What is this elusive beast?
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He said shortstop.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Hanley's not a bad glove
"Even the stupidest of men, by some instinct of nature, is convinced on his own that with more observations his risk of failure is diminished."
-Jacques Bernoulli Ars conjectandi 1713
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 9, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Constantly improving, however. His really bad year looks like the outlier, not the slightly below average to average years.
2006: -5.3 UZR
2007: -19.2 UZR
2008: -0.7 UZR
2009: 1.2 UZR, 4.3 UZR/150
Tell me, what looks like the biggest outlier here?
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Jun 9, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Hard to say because that's only 2 months of 2009
But you’re probably right that he’s not as bad as 2007 would suggest.
Yeah, I'm not saying he's above average or anything.
Just that he’s not atrocious. With his bat, if he’s -10 to 0, he’s a bonafide star.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Jun 9, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
*superstar
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Jun 9, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I never meant to imply that he's not a superstar
Just maybe not really meant to play shortstop
Well maybe not yet.
I thought he had but I don’t remember where I read that.
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 9, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong
"Even the stupidest of men, by some instinct of nature, is convinced on his own that with more observations his risk of failure is diminished."
-Jacques Bernoulli Ars conjectandi 1713
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 9, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
he's probably -5 at worst.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8001&position=SS
2007 was most likely an outlier.
Never mind then. Not sure why I thought that.
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
He was bad, horrendous actually.
Last year he was league average.
This year, SSS, but he’s above average so far.
by PlaySportsinSeattle on Jun 9, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
And I see this was already taken care of. I'm LATE
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Jun 9, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Or it's the least important tool for shortstop prospects
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Well to be fair she did say Ackley had below average Base on ball skills.
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 9, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard him earlier. He emphasizes picking the best available player a LOT.
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh, he says it's up to Yuni what happens with Yuni.
They asked him flat out what is going on with him, pretty diplomatic but he did say that at the end.
Poor man's Laporta was his initial reaction
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
He was dealt to the Indians, right?
And yeah, he references LaPorta several times.
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Read Dave's comments, ignore the user comments
Lot of “WHY DIDNT THEY DRAFT BPA”, followed by “WHY DIDNT WE FULFILL OUR SP NEEDS”
This made me hit the floor
“Everyone at USS Mariner is happy and prospectinsider and BBT are furious. Unfortunately I side with the latter.”
Graham your response to this earns an A+
BBT has seven responses?
And one of them is SABRMatt, who doesn’t seem to like anything to do with Mariners prospects most of the time.
I don’t know where the fury is coming from.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jun 9, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
BBT's Twitter feed says:
M’s on the clock after short break. Paxton, Schepp, Brothers & STassi all on the board somehow. Z needs to take one or expect a fan mutiny.
JohnBBT had better be one hell of a mutineer because it looks like he’s not gonna have many takers.
Besides, 90% of Mariner fans have probably never heard of Dustin Ackely. And they’re gonna revolt over a sandwich pick?
I saw that.
But he wasn’t threatening to string Zduriencik up for Poythress or Seager, and just seemed somewhat disappointed while resigned to Baron.
Not much of a mutiny going on there. I don’t think he’s going to lead a revolution with that attitude.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jun 9, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Ohhhhh!
I remember Detecto raving about that website. No wonder.
Reading the site's comments...
I find it interesting how when a poster here says he (or she) wants to murder cats, it’s charming. When a poster at BBT says it, it’s disturbing.
It's actually a very good site. My friend Jon runs it.
A lot of commenters are r-tards, but the writing is really well done and I read it daily.
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Dear Joevan, Develop motor skills. Love, ATQ.
Remember back when USSM was constantly accused ot being too pessmistic?
Those were the days.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
It's hilarious
Based on what I’ve read at USSM, Dave Cameron is probably one of the most optimistic people about our team.
by JLC on Jun 9, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Dave has to treat his commenters like kindergarteners.
“Good job guys, we actually had a discussion that didn’t make me want to bash my head against my laptop and never write about baseball ever again!”
by .Taylor on Jun 9, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Mendoca!
I forgot about Tom Mendoca! Of course the Rangers got him…
I have non-Ackley reactions up on my site.
I have spent the last few hours staring at videos
Not a whole lot that blew me out of the water, but I think there’s enough throughout to like, and Poythress in round two makes up for Frankin and Baron a bit too high.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
Thanks guys.
Since I have the videos lined up, I’d like to see what analyses other people come up with.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jun 9, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Angels are dumb.
It’s almost like sidearmers and submariners usually put up better numbers in HS/College than they do anywhere else.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
If we acquirred a submariner, He would instantly become my second favorite player on this team.
I fucking love them
If only...
You could throw a knuckleball submarine. I think the pure awesomeness would cause a black hole.
Only if you could make a face like you are throwing out your asshole every time you do it.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Left-handed.
Or switch pitching with one of those six fingered gloves.
The universe would end. There woule be nothing left to do.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jun 9, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
This isn't 4Chan...
I don’t even want to imagine the effect of that comment.
Probably because they'll be tough signs at this point
And you’d have to go way over slot if you want to sign either. And if you don’t sign them, you don’t get compensation in the 2010 draft.
by JLC on Jun 9, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Churchill has been adamant that Bailey wants to sign. I think him dropping has more to
do with the surgery than contract demands. Stassi is definately related to money.
Draft Day just got a whole lot better.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on Jun 9, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
What the hell?
That guy can’t make up his mind for anything. Next he’ll be playing shortstop.
I'd be cool with that at this point
Addicted To Quack [dot] com; Dear Joevan, Develop motor skills. Love, ATQ.
HOLY SHIT POYTHRESS YESS!!!!!!!
At 51, he’s easily the best pick of the draft for the M’s. Yeah, yeah, Ackley, whatever. I’ve wanted Poythress for awhile, and thought it would be a pipe dream to see him at 33. AWESOME!!!
This signature space for rent.
I let out a primal scream when we picked him at 51
by Graham MacAree on Jun 9, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I did so, too, a few hours later when I heard...
Got wind of it from Churchill since I was still loading the draft boards, and I thought he was shitting with me. He knows how much I liked Poythress, and I honestly thought he was deliberately trying to mess with my brain. Then I pulled up the draft board and screamed like mad.
Heh – you guys here are flipping so much unwarranted crap at Churchill that even I’M leery of trusting him…
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jun 9, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
So no pitching today, but damn if GMZ didn't do some restocking of the offense.
Any thoughts on Poythress? I realize he’s a good hitter, but isn’t he slightly redundant in the system?
Well, he considers it a possibility...
Not that we’re going to actually pull the string…
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jun 9, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
So What is everybody's grade for each AL West Draft?
Texas A – Hard to complain about Purke and Scheppers, Mendoca is intersting and Erlin is another small lefty that fits the pattern for them every year (Kiker, Ross and now Elrin)
Seatle B+ – ACKLEY… Poythress and Seager I really like, Franklin I am “Meh” on and Barron is a pick I wish the Marines could redo… Nice overall start to the first day though.
Oak B – Not a lot to work with for Oakland, but I like Green at 13 and Marks in the 3rd. Not spectacular but a nice solid set of picks
LAAAA B -How can you have so many picks and have such an up and down first day? Really like Skaggs and Trout, concerned over Grichuck and think they over drafted on several of their picks…
Texas kicked ass. I give the M's a B-.
I like Ackley, Pothyress, and Franklin but can’t get over the fact we took Baron at #33 and didn’t land any arms to add to the system. If we had just gone slot at #33 I would be very pleased with this draft.
We already have a tonne of arms at incoming draft levels
People bitching about arms are insane.
by Graham MacAree on Jun 10, 2009 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I love you Jack.
“It has nothing to do with need. We did not approach this draft to try and make a fix at the big league level because when you are taking a high school shortstop or a high school catcher they are going to be a ways away. If you are drafting for need, you may take a college reliever who that you think is a safe bet and that is not what we did. We wanted to take the best players, the best athletes and as we move forward this is a process. This is the first year of doing this. We are going to do it next year and the year after that. It is the process of building your club.”
I wonder how much shit JJ will talk about being on a winner when the Mets are out of it in September again.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- College player makes impossible over the fence catch to save tournament game (Video)
- Security!: Camden Yards guard collides with Royals’ Mike Moustakas
- The Juice: Nelson Cruz matches career high eight RBIs, Pujols stays hot in Seattle
- Benches clear at Fenway as Red Sox-Rays rivalry heats up
- Keeping good company: Albert Pujols becomes fourth-youngest player to hit 450 home runs
