6/7: Open Game Thread
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 7, 2009 11:42 AM PDT
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And what if he connects with all three?
It would be awesome to get 75% of the cycle out of the way with one swing of the bat.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
Could that happen?
I just don’t see how you can get a triple, double and single at the same time, even if he hits all three. And in the same vain what if all three are popped up and they are all caught? Triple play?
That guy is like a friendly cockroach.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jun 7, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Is the FO actually going to consider playing him at 2B if we draft him?
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by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 7, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I do not think so
but they will not say a word about anything related to the draft.
Probably cause they plan to turn him into a RP.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 7, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Lineups
Ichiro CF
Branyan 1B
Beltre 3B
Griffey DH
Lopez 2B
Cedeno SS
Chavez LF
BURKE! C
Gutz CF
Span LF
Mauer C
Morneau DH
Crede 3B
Kubel RF
Cuddyer 1B
Harris SS
Gomez CF
Casilla 2B
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This might be the best thing Wak's done all weekend.
I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.
by Hopefulmsfan on Jun 7, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Via Divish:
For the third straight day, Yuni Betancourt is out of the line-up. And no, it’s not to get Ronny Cedeno more playing time. Cedeno is nursing a nasty contusion on his leg from fouling two balls off his shin. Yuni is sitting out for a reason. My guess is his approach and the attitude he has displayed on the days he isn’t playing haven’t helped.
Cuddyer has played 2 games at first base this year
And about 4 per year the last few. Huh.
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Transaction stuff:
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/6/7/901762/burke-re-called-stark-re-dfad
Stark DFA’d for Jamie Burke because Johnson is day to day. Also, Tyler Johnson was released.
I was at yesterday's game.
Damn was that a good catch by Cuddyer
by .Taylor on Jun 7, 2009 12:18 PM PDT reply actions
Additionally, I had never seen Griffey's swing before.
Even though he’s 39, that swing is a thing of beauty.
by .Taylor on Jun 7, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
FOX seemed to love to show his ass every time he was on deck yesterday.
I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.
by Hopefulmsfan on Jun 7, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Boomshakalaka.
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jun 7, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Clement can't catch.
He’s been DH’ing.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 7, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Well they said he was allowed to catch in June since the injury was not that bad.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
And he has yet to play catcher in June...
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
Somebody needs to Kerrigan Burke's or Quiroz's knee.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! [FREED]! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
I'll second that.
He actually looks somewhat compotent at the plate. He had a nice swing on that single yesterday. Not too bad behind the plate either.
I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.
by Hopefulmsfan on Jun 7, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Save for that one passed ball.
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I love how when they were talking about Youkilis being a guy you love to have on your team.
David Wells chimed in saying that he didn’t really like Youkilis when he played with him.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 7, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Especially when they have Padilla pitching.
I thought they released him.
I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.
Not really.
He was slightly above average for a year in Philly and a couple of years in Texas but he has generally sucked his whole career.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 7, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh my, the halos just had a horror run scoring play in the 8th...
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
Annnnnd then they allow a GS
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jun 7, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
God we're never going to win now
ugh stupid baseball stat nerds ruining the integrity of baseball
by .Taylor on Jun 7, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions
How do you have 2200 comments already?
Go outside.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 7, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I know dude
He knows like nothing about baseball stats or anything
by .Taylor on Jun 7, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats not what I said.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Jun 7, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Poochie is JI (in case you're actually being serious)
by .Taylor on Jun 7, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
This seems to come up in every thread recently.
But I always have to wonder just slightly if it’s just a clever ruse.
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jun 7, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
So it's ok to be critical of Poochie for being an enthusiastic commenter, but not JI?
Wow this place is full of terrible double standards
I just hate how blowers actually thinks they make a difference in the game
“Lets see if these can get the boys some runs”
I think we need to have rules for the rally fries.
Only to be given out in certain situations. Not when we are ahead or on defense, just for starters.
Or we can take them out back and shoot them.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 7, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
They're fucking retarded and I am tired of half an hour of every broadcast being dedicated to the stupid signs people make.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 7, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Would you rather have a dancing monkey?
Things like rally fries are never going away. It’s best to just accept it for your own sanity.
Fear the NPE
Wow!
Adrian hits a line drive that DOESN’T go right at somebody!
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by Two Rs and Two Ls on Jun 7, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions
GOSH I can't get over the fact that he's a Mariner again
I mean really how cool is it that 10 years later we get to watch him again
He needs to undergo the Cruel Tutelage of Pai Mei
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by tootthekazoo on Jun 7, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Too late >:(
I should have slept in until 2pm today and then I could contribute down thread
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THANKS FOR THE REPLAY WITH THE BEHIND THE PLATE ANGLE, FSN
THAT CERTAINLY CLEARED UP JUST HOW THE UMP MAKES HIS STRIKE CALL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is it just me or are like a lot of Twins doing the high socks look today?
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If only it were Joh
French, English, Japanese, Spanish
Plus Sweeney speaking some bastardized portmanteau of all those.
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I love this feature.
Because I can’t tell the can’s cold by feeling it.
I actually bought a Betancourt t-shirt.
I'm wondering if I misread/heard...
Did Erik Bedard really not learn English until like college? Because he speaks with no accent, whatsoever.
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Am I the only person who finds this astonishing?
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Those interviews with him by Angie or whatever.
He speaks a substantial amount and he speaks with an authentic American “drawl”, if you will.
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No. I honestly think it's incredible.
He speaks English so perfectly and so easily, it makes me feel like a retard for not learning another language.
It is harder than spanish, though, mind you.
If you speak Spanish, you cover the entire Southwest US and you can pick up Italian easily.
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It's not so much that he mastered it, it's that there's almost no trace of foreign or second language in it.
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I can feel the love in this game thread.
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Sad but true.
On the pregame they were talking about how they couldn’t wait to get Johnson back and all I could think is “Why?”
by Mariner Melee on Jun 7, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember when Jamie hit that homer that one time?
That was awesome.
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I love how amped up Washburn gets.
Even if he sucks sometimes its hard not to like the guy as a competitor.
Caption:
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by Matthew on Jun 7, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nice, but
And similarly over the pixel limit.
What it really needs is a photoshopping. Sand castle, tops, fighting scorpions, something has to be between them there.
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by JY on Jun 7, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Some fans at Petco are hanging Q's instead of K's for "Quick Outs."
Their sign says:
We eschew the “K”
They take all day
Efficient outs
Are what we’re about
I like how Gutz has been better than Sizemore so far this season.
Yeah, Sizemore has been battling injury problems, but still. Neat.
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Hi, I'm new to this thread
I’m actually a Yankee fan and just watched a thrilling comeback by the Bronx bombers against the Rays.
Can I ask an honest question for you Mariners fans:
Why is your best hitter hitting 2nd?
Ichiro gets on = more chance for run production
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 7, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, but what does that have to do with putting Branyan behind him?
If anyone could benefit from Branyan’s protection, it’s Beltre, and Branyan would hit with more runners on base in the 3rd and cleanup position…not trying to be adversarial, I’m on an opposing team’s fanbase. Just seems like a waste to have Branyan behind Ichiro.
The notion of protection does not exist.
A hitter does not get better from being “protected” by other players. Or at least thats what I understand.
In The Book, Tom Tango found that the maximum difference lineup order can make is about 10-15 runs per year.
About 1-1.5 wins of difference seperates the worst ordered lineup (Ichiro batting 9th! Yuniesky Betancourt cleanup!) vs. the most optimal ordered lineup – and in practice the difference is even less.
He seems to be a fairly well-qualifed guy.
I’ll let him make the calls.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 7, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Ichiro on base opens up the left side of the infield, which is a boon for left handed hitters.
Also, lineup protection doesn’t really exist.
Well, I don't think opening up the hole is enough of a plus to lose out on Branyan's at-bats in run-productive situations.
I believe protection does exist, Ask any Yankee fan about how Texiera did with and without Arod in the lineup.
Try this:
Texiera, one of the best offenssive first basemen in the game was hitting below 200 while Arod was out of the lineup.
Since Arod got back, he’s been hitting 400 and homers like there’s no tomorrow.
Again, I’m not a Mariner fan, but Arod and Tex are the Bombers’ best hitters.
I just can’t imagine hitting Arod or Tex in the two-hole position the way the Mariners do, that’s all, that’s all.
Is Branyan hitting #2 a quirky thing or does he usually hit 3 and 4?
Seriously
that’s a terrible thing to draw a conclusion from. You are convincing yourself something is true based on anecdotal, at best, evidence.
All statistics are in a sense anecdotal because they can never tell the whole story
But it’s a fact that pitchers will pitch around in certain situations if they have that kind of leeway in a given lineup; pitching to weaker hitters to avoid the stronger ones.
It’s one of the reasons Pujols has been considered among the finsest hitters if not the finest hitter in the game; not just because of his run-production but because he hits in a weak lineup with no protection.
You are arguing with a statistician.
Just so you know.
You are arguing with an engineer
Your job is to give us the statistics and we draw practical considerations from them for real-world application.
I don’t want to fight, but please don’t use status; just argue on merits, I’ll recognize them for what they are.
Actually, I'm an engineer too!
I am not appealing to status. I am just trying to inform you that your basis for deciding what constitutes statistical evidence is, to put it bluntly, laughable.
Laughable? Not exactly a cordial dialogue we're having.
Not all engineering is based on statistical evidence. You look at the datasheets and specifications and an experienced engineer can make roundabout estimations on what could and should work. But that still can’t compare with what actually happens in the field with your product because, as any engineer understands: Statistics lie.
That is an iron-clad law in engineering.
You’ve heard of the engineer who was too busy looking at average windspeeds while building a bridge to notice that the data didn’t include PEAK windspeeds for possible hurricanes that had never occurred before right?
Not everything is in the statistical Nyquist plot.
Well, I tried.
I did. I honestly put a good forth effort here.
You must be a really shitty engineer if you don't understand causation != correlation
by Graham MacAree on Jun 7, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I used to think it does.
Then I took a statistics class.
There are varying degrees of anecdotal-ness
At best saying “Look, Texeira hit .200 without A-Rod and .400 with him!” is a very weak correlation. There are a lot of reasons Texeira could’ve started the season slowly which are much more likely to be true than anything having to do with “protection”. Bad luck, for one.
Other people have
and those are the studies to which we are referring.
If it were true, we'd see it in larger sample sizes than a two-month span for one player.
And that player has always hit far worse in April than he does the rest of the season, anyway.
He feels comfortable there, I guess.
Here’s the story. This is his first seaons playing full-time – no one’s really given him a chance until now.
Of course, your three best hitters should be hitting 1, 2, and 4, so there’s nothing wrong with putting Branyan there in terms of lineup optimization.
It's our latest lineup plan. Ichiro, Branyan, pray.
Got really tired of Ichiro getting a hit, then getting left on base.
I'd prefer to see him cleanup or 3rd
5th was just ridiculous, 2nd seems a bit extreme in the other direction. But hey, I’m not a major league manager.
He's the second best hitter on the team and walks a lot.
I’m cool with him getting the second most PAs on the team.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 7, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to see him at cleanup too, but I'm OK with the #2 hole experiment.
Can’t hurt, plus it gets him more at bats.
Tommy Hanson gave up 7 runs in 6 innings today.
Welcome to the bigs kid.
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I caught Dustin Ackley's final at-bat in today's game.
It was almost surely his last at-bat at UNC’s stadium, and the crowd gave him a big ovation. He came out immediately and waved to the crowd. It made me happy. Please be a Mariner soon.
On Brock and Salk, Bedard said he throws his curveball at 3 different speeds - including one that's faster and sharper and more slider-like, a big bender, and a get-me-over.
Also, I don’t think Gameday’s all that accurate at figuring out pitch type (it’s great for pitch f/x data, but Jeff, for one, doesn’t think it’s all that reliable for pitch type)
Yeah that one is pretty slider-like. A lot different angle of break than his sweeping curve.
Thanks for the link, by the way.
That looked exactly like the ball Mauer went for earlier
Except Mauer stopped short of trying to fall into the dugout. Because Mauer isn’t as gritty as Burke or whatever
Well, at least you guys have Bedard behind the mound
Might not need too much run support early on, but how’s your bullpen Mariners fans?
Don’t know too much about the 2009 team, but used to live in Everett in the early 200s
That to me is the real problem with rally fries. People are getting too greedy.
Rally fries for 40 people? really?
Fear the NPE
I wonder if they'll give out rally cheezburgers in July.
by Matthew on Jun 7, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think all the signs will just read "I can haz rally friez?
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 7, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Well that works.
"You're so beautiful. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job."
Blowers doesn't remember Roberto Petagine being with the M's?!
That was… that was just a few years ago.
I'll never forget Petagine's bomb against K-Rod.
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What? I evidently seem to have! When was this?
by .Taylor on Jun 7, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope, we still lost.
But it was still awesome.
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Interesting, I recall it all quite differently.
Is it possible he went deep again a few days later or something for at least a go-ahead?
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Considering his HR total with the Ms is 1
I think it unlikely.
?
He hit another one later, but everyone forgot about it.
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I think the biggest strength anyone can have to be a valued LL poster
is a good sense of what is sarcasm.
Uhh... sorry?
So did he have >1 Mariner homer or not?
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Alright, that's what I was crossed up about. My bad.
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Sorry, I'm not meaning to sound rude.
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Up walks disappointment
Ronny must miss having his fan at the game.
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 7, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions
Lopez has been showing some power the other way. Didn't he actually hit a ball to the track
in right field the other night?
I will cherish the days when 6-9 in the batting order
don’t have me getting up to leave the room.
I was thinking of doing the same thing. Put a tally mark by each one.
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He strikes me as the type who walks around the dugout whispering to the other players
“I don’t care, I get paid now to do nothing!!! Hahahahaha!”
Given our middle infield play. And the fact we got Saunders and probably Ackley
who could play at least average CF. I’m beginning to wish we kept Valbuena instead of getting Gutz.
Umm...
we could almost certainly trade Gutz for something better than Valbuena.
At least Blowers has his occasional voice crack anomalies.
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Jason Kubel looks like a bearcub.
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Hey screw you man I have a friend whose face was mauled by a bear
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Was an excellent film though, did you see it?
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I kind of always pictured Coach being like that guy in real life.
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The real puzzler was him having a girlfriend.
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It was actually one of the most bizarre relationships I'd ever seen.
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Grizzly Man or Into the WIld?
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Interestingly you are the first Alaskan I have met that didn't like it.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 7, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you the poster formerly known as 'Alaskan'?
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Huh
Ichiro walked to a guy who throws nothing but strikes
Coming into this game, Kevin Slowey had issued seven walks all season.
Today he has allowed two walks.
To the Mariners.
One of them to Ichiro.
We really need a different spot for Branyan
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 7, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions
I think so too
But whatever you Mariners fans want, you get.
Apparently, there are alot of Mariners fans who want him hitting behind Ichiro.
"But whatever you Mariners fans want, you get."
This is the least true thing I have heard in a long long time
Utter sarcasm failure?
Our offense is horrific, as has been stated.
Our lineup needed a shakeup.
It seems to be working. Anecdotal, I’m sure, though
by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 7, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Being that he still has some millions
I bet he’s managing okay.
Ichiro-Branyan-Beltre
Now that Beltre’s actually hitting, I absolutely love our 1-3.
Well, Beltre certainly is getting alot of production at-bats according to your guys' stats.
But your lineup is pretty thin with Griffey behind him…not much of a chance he’ll get….well, he does get hit; hit by the ball.
I don't mean to sound like a jerk but I have no idea what you are talking about
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 7, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, Griffey was once one of the best, he was slated to break the homerun record; but he's not that kind of a threat now.
With a runner in scoring position, you want Branyan there, not Beltre or Griffey.
With Griffey behind Beltre, there's no threat to slowy if he doesn't want to give Beltre something to hit strike-throwing machine or not.
I’m still having trouble fathoming this lineup with a cleanup hitter hitting 2nd.
You've established that you're perplexed by Branyan hitting second. This is clear.
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Put your best hitters high in the order because they're going to get more at-bats.
Worrying about protection this much is ridiculous. Good hitters hit, and if the pitcher doesn’t want to pitch to him, then he gets on base and is productive anyway.
But with a singles hitter in front of Branyan,
he has nothing to drive in and you can’t rely on your 7-9 hitters to get on base all that often;
You don’t have the lineup that our Yankees do with threats up and down the hitting order….
It makes little sense to have Branyan hitting second and getting about 66% of the production chances that Beltre gets in the # 3 position.
This is the third time I've linked this for you to read:
Because we care, [Beyond the Boxscore] would like to remind everyone that lineups are pretty overrated. Believe it or not, the difference between an optimized lineup and a typical, mildly foolish one you’ll see MLB teams use is only about one win over 162 games. It’s obviously worth getting right, but not any more than realizing Troy Percival shouldn’t be your closer…
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by .Taylor on Jun 7, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
As has been stated before the concept of protection in a lineup has been debunked
and I personally am not really a big believer in traditional lineup roles.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 7, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
How about a chance to hit directly being Ichiro.
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I think it's the effect of having speed on speed if him and Ichiro get on, with Branyan behind them.
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This is the stated reasoning
but it’s not a good reason to give Rob Johnson more PAs than Gutierrez.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 7, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
You have mid 350 OBAs on your team;
granted you don’t ahve as many of them as we do, but Gutierrez is a good candidate it seems.
Center Fielder?
I guess he has speed.
One of you guys mentioned you wanted the hole opened for a left-hander: ok, so drop Ichiro to #2 and make Gutierrez leadoff (that breaks up the lefties of Branyan and Ichiro).
Gutierrez, Ichiro, Beltre and Branyan.
That’s one alternative.
Why would a Yankees fan give a shit about our lineup anyway?
Is Russell Branyan on his fantasy team?
by Graham MacAree on Jun 7, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It doesn't
I’m a Yankee fan who can’t stand good assets going to waste.
You’re a big-cap team.
But your management could be better.
Traditional lineup roles like cleanup, #3, etc are dumb.
He is the second best hitter on the team and is getting the second most PAs. This arrangement is good.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 7, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
It would only make sense to drop him to cleanup if we had more consistent guys to precede him.
If we had Randy Winn and John Olerud 2001 to put in front of him, be my guest.
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You guys used to do fine with traditional roles during the Martinez-Buhner-Olerud-Boone era.
What happened?
Interestingly enough we here at Lookout Landing do not fill out the lineup cards
and I can say with a fair amount of certainty that this was true in the 1990s as well.
by Aaron Campeau on Jun 7, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Obviously there's old logic in it, it's just not significant.
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This was quite a sentence or three.
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Once again:
Lineup order makes at most 10 to 15 runs of difference over the course of a season – the difference between, say, 750 and 760-65 runs – and almost always much less in practical terms.
This ump sucks
I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.
It's first pitch pop-up time.
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They've got their Dickey up when Griffey bats.
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He's pretty bad too. But my vote still goes to Buckner.
by Mariner Melee on Jun 7, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
But Dickey just leaves a bad taste in my mouth
by .Taylor on Jun 7, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I realize you've already been told something about photos
But please use the subject line so they can be collapsed.
thanks
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