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Strip Club Cleared to Open Near Safeco Field

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Need a way to kill the hours between your planned Sounders and Mariners double header?

There's a solution coming

A King County Superior Court judge cleared the way today for a strip club to open within a home run's distance of Safeco Field, rejecting arguments by the Seattle Mariners that the City of Seattle improperly issued a business permit to the club's operators.

The Déjà Vu club, sought by longtime Seattle adult-entertainment figure Roger Forbes, would operate at 1530 First Ave. S., about 400 feet south of Safeco Field's main entrance in the Sodo area.

So who do you think will be the first Mariner to patron the establishment?

Also, typical Seattle:

No alcohol or food will be served, but a juice bar is planned.

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So I've never been to a strip club, but no alcohol?

How are they going to make the strippers look attractive?

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 26, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

You know it would be pretty dark in there?

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by Fin on Jun 26, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

The booze is not to make the strippers look good

it’s to make the customer think the stripper is actually interested in them.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

A lot of strip clubs don't serve booze, actually.

Depends on city laws, but many cities only serve alcohol at places where full nudity is barred. So basically you get nipples or beer, but not both.

by Teej on Jun 26, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Couldn't you just go to the bar, get buzzed, then go to the club?

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by Fin on Jun 26, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

When I went to a couple bachelor parties at Deja Vu on Lake City

we’d bring a bunch of beer in the trunk, go in for a while, then come out and drink in the car. Bribing the doorman with a beer usually helps him to look the other way.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Cecil is not an excellent strip club.

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by Llewdor on Jun 26, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've been to strip club six times in my life. Three of those visits were to the Cecil.

So . . . SSS, I guess. I don’t really like strip clubs, honestly, but when you’re 19, the Cecil is pretty fun.

by Teej on Jun 26, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's really gone downhill.

It’s a hole.

Might I recommend Brandy’s for the next time you’re in town?

It’s owned by the Hell’s Angels – keep your nose clean.

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by Llewdor on Jun 28, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

They even do that in Vegas

you can get all the booze you want at some of the best strip bars in the city, as long as you don’t mind your strippers not being fully nude. The two full-nude ones there don’t serve booze. And are thus generally deserted.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

They absolutely do not

and a lot of them have really good food as well.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Acropolis.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Incorrect sir

I find the crowd to be a bit douchey at times but the place, the food, and the dancers are all top notch. There’s a couple that are better but the Acrop is a pretty good place.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I had a blast there,

but like most things in life that may have had more to do with the fun group that I went with.

by Sec 108 on Jun 26, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Acrop is nice, but has a few issues that keep me from loving it.

As pdb said, the crowd can be dicey, a lot of first-timers and douchey-types I think because it is the most famous. Too much silicone and Limp Bizkit. It’s also kind of deep, so you need a cab ride if you tire of the Acrop. Also, I hate to say it but the steaks are terrible. That said, a great time can be had there.

by waldo rojas on Jun 26, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think the doughnuts are a regular feature

There was a box of Hostess ones sitting on top of the salad bar. After many beers/shots, this was enticing.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

This seems retarded

I take back my request to go to a strip show

Ronny, TAKE

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 26, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Second best one in the city!

Casa Diablo’s better. And it’s vegan. Portland is awesome. Vegan strip club?

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree

just fits with the overall vibe. The Acrop is a great place.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Penthouse club in NYC!!!

The steaks are reportedly some of the best in town. Haven’t been myself.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 26, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sir,

you are implying that there are things in New York that are not ridiculously overpriced. It is merely a question of degree and whether or not that thousand dollar martini that has been shaken with miniature diamonds is really worth it to impress that girl.

[Manhattan is quite depressing at times]

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jeff, come to an Atlanta strip club

the baseball might suck but the strip clubs don’t . . . not only do they serve alcohol and have full nudity, but if you go on a weekend you’re also likely to run into a full breakfast buffet in the wee hours of the night.

by wilymo on Jun 26, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean to tell me...

The same state where it’s a felony to bring alcohol from out of state, the same state that requires beer to only be sold in beer stores that are closed on Sundays, the same state that only within the last few years started allowing beer with more than 3.whatever percent alcohol, allows titties and beer in the same strip clubs?

by Inkara1 on Jun 26, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

If they don't serve booze, can they lower the age requirement to 18?

Or is it already?

Where I grew up, you didn’t count as a strip club unless the dancers were fully nude (and I can’t think of any that weren’t).

Laws governing lap dances are actually set by municipalities, so it’s easy to shop around for what you like.

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by Llewdor on Jun 26, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perfect.

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am not seeing the difference.

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by Fin on Jun 26, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am sure regular whores just love being called that, though.

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by Fin on Jun 26, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would give them an extra $20 or something if they knew who that was.

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by Fin on Jun 26, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't really say I have.

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by Fin on Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am sorry.

I was simply joking around, I didn’t realize people would take offense to it here.

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by Fin on Jun 26, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not offended

I just like to challenge assumptions that are based on nothing but stereotypes. Plus, what ac says below.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say I agree with what both of you guys have to say.

I do find it ironic that selling sex is the oldest profession, but yet it isn’t legal. From what I have read, it seems like a victimless crime and tons of taxpayer’s money is wasted by trying to crackdown on something that would never go away.

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by Fin on Jun 26, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, there are victims

But it seems like something that both parties agree to, and nobody in the transaction gets hurt. That is not to say that family members could get hurt.

I think I am digging myself a hole, I should probably stop now.

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by Fin on Jun 26, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

In theory you are correct but in practice the sex workers themselves are victims

of indentured servitude, physical abuse, rape, murder, etc. Largely because our society is appallingly hypocritical.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 26, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

BRING IT

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have the energy right now.

It basically ties in with my hatred of Seattle’s nanny laws.

by Matthew on Jun 26, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got a jaywalking ticket at Broadway and John at 1.30AM on a Tuesday once

when there was not a soul – car nor pedestrian – anywhere near the intersection. Portland’s more like NY, people jaywalk all the time and the cops don’t really care about it unless you’re really close to getting hit or something. It’s refreshing.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Broadway and John?

That can be a somewhat busy intersection at times, and I’ve seen a pedestrian or two get taken out by a car that wasn’t paying attention, but at 1:30 am? That’s silly.

When I was back in Seattle in May, I was crossing around Seattle Center during a Don’t Walk sign and there were some people behind me who followed suit. I heard a bunch of muttering of “oh, he’s JAYWALKING, we can’t go.” Pedestrian dynamics in Seattle are nothing like NYC.

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

`

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNzNjbrsUb8

(Re-watching this, the Seattle PI dig is funny)

by Matthew on Jun 26, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I remember when Almost Live! was on Comedy Central

They edited out all the Seattle references.

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

What exactly were they left with?

Ten seconds of bumpers and the closing credits?

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank god for Almost Live.

So when anyone asks what I mean by Old Seattle, I just point to that.

What would Almost Live be today? I have a hard time fathoming it.

by Matthew on Jun 26, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it could exist

because it’d be a lot slicker, more high-budget, and wouldn’t have anything unique to make fun of.

Joking about the number of Starbucks in town is about the comedic equivalent of joking about airplane food.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

They were still showing the Ballard Driving School clip when I was in Driver's Ed.

It was awesome.

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was close to it.

I remember the commercial breaks dragging.

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course for those that exist outside the infrastructure

it is a victimless crime. Sadly there aren’t nearly enough of them.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 26, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

But, if you legalize prostitution

then you would change the entire infrastructure. It could be regulated and monitored, the conditions would be much more sanitary, businesses would have to be (somewhat) legit, documentation of workers, at-will employment, mandatory disease testing, etc. While the despicable existing infrastructure wouldn’t go away entirely (there will always be an underground black market for it) it would be significantly diminished.

It’s similar to the argument for legalizing marijuana – taxes, regulation, cuts down on shady/underground gang activity, etc.

by Terminator X on Jun 27, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with offensive humor obviously

but generally it needs to be ironic in nature or pertaining to something society has moved past.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 26, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

No worries

A couple of my friends are dancers. One is getting her masters, the other’s made a successful documentary on Haitian poverty relief.

It’s a weird business down here.

by Garces on Jun 26, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right.

After I made the comment I felt pretty stupid myself for saying it.

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by Fin on Jun 26, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sex is a commodity and sex work is still work.

Plenty of intelligent people are perfectly happy doing it and the fact that our society celebrates sex and financial success as much as it does and simultaneously marginalizes people that are able to achieve said financial success by selling sex is ridiculous.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 26, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Certainly.

I know a few people who work in the field to pay the bills, and they’re definitely not lacking in smarts.

[Some of them are classmates. I love it here sometimes]

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not in this town they don't.

It is very difficult for dancers to make good money here because of touching and drinking rules. Top dancers go to PDX and Vancouver BC if they stay in the NW.

by Sec 108 on Jun 26, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I used to live on Aurora across for the PCC

Two large black women worked there every night hollering all night long at passersby. When it went quiet I would say a thank you to the John who took them away for a while.

by Sec 108 on Jun 26, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I live near there now

And it seems pretty devoid of prostitutes for at least a couple of blocks in each direction from the PCC. Or at least there aren’t any prostitutes yelling at passersby.

by ubelmann on Jun 26, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blue Video

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

That must have sucked.

Being a drummer I would hate living above me.

by Kirk on Jun 30, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually it was great.

Our drummer got an amazing hand made kit for cheap. Our whole band lived in the house and we had a studio in there too, so I’m sure we made more noise than the drum shop did.

by Sec 108 on Jun 30, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Strip work depends on the day of the month/time of day.

From the friends I had who worked in Seattle told me they could make 3000$ in 3 hours or they could take home about 20$ for 5 hours. It just depends.

by mark sobba on Jun 26, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely.

A friend of mine works as a gogo dancer on Wednesdays and it pays for drinks for the whole week. Mind you, I don’t know how much she drinks, but the tradeoff sounds good enough.

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it organic juice?

I would believe that there is a market for a strip club that served only vegan and organic food. In fact, I’m nearly certain it’s already been done.

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Better question,

Who will be the first Mariner to marry a Deju Vu stripper?

by Sec 108 on Jun 26, 2009 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Niehaus

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ronny Cedeno.

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by Fin on Jun 26, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

That reminds of a story I read many years ago.

It was all about Sweeney and he spent half the article saying how he hated it when visiting players would get to first base and ask him which strip club in town to go to. He would instead suggest they go to church.

by Sec 108 on Jun 26, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

He should've given them the address and name of a church while giving them the impression that it was a strip club.

Baserunner: “Where’s the best place to see some tits.”
Sweeney: “Mt. Zion, just south of 19th and Madison, is great.”
Baserunner: “Mt. Zion? Really?”
Sweeney: “Yeah. It’s got a Reggae/Bob Marley theme to it.”
Baserunner: “Killer.”

by Decatur on Jun 26, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He has to be just the most wholesomest man ever.

They really ought to waive that being dead requirement and make him a saint now.

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by Big Jared on Jun 26, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are some crazy whores at church.

I can totally see Sweeney being the type of guy to say something like that.

by mark sobba on Jun 26, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok just my experiances from going to a lot of different churches over a 15 year period.

Most people are nice, kind, good hearted folks. I have spent time in all the major religions and have found this too be true. But there are also people there because someone dragged them there. Girls and Guys with wandering eyes.
And I can see someone like Sweeney bring a guy to church and the guy finds not the 30 nice girls but the 3 girls dragged there by a friend.

by mark sobba on Jun 26, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Player A

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by Llewdor on Jun 26, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hooters Hooters, yum yum yum

Hooters Hooters, on a girl that’s dumb.

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by Goose on Jun 26, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

The real question here:

which area will be become Seattle’s most vibrant cultural nucleus: the Safeco Field/Deja Vu area or the Lusty Lady/Seattle Art Museum area?

by Decatur on Jun 26, 2009 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

The former represents New Seattle well

and likewise with the latter and Seattle As It Once Was.

I miss the latter.

by Matthew on Jun 26, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jim Bouton wrote this in Ball Four:
I enjoyed living in the Great Northwest for most of a season and I’m sad that Seattle didn’t keep its franchise. A city that seems to care more for its art museums than its ballpark can’t be all bad (397).

by Decatur on Jun 26, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was too harsh.

We have some good ones, and the proliferation of small ones in the psquare/CBD area is cool, but SAM is pretty lame for a flagship

by Matthew on Jun 26, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree.

For a city of its size and level of education Seattle’s museums as a whole are pretty lame.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Symphony's not half-bad either

although it’s been years since I’ve been.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Top-notch strippers are phenomenal dancers

(and I mean that without irony)

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just call me The Dude's Rug

I tie the room together.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I went to the ballet a few years ago.

It was really cool.
The middle piece they actually did this take on one of my favorite parts from one of my favorite books. It was really cool.

by mark sobba on Jun 26, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seattle Ballet kicks ass.

I really enjoy ballet, and Seattle’s is top notch.

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by Llewdor on Jun 26, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The opera won the international Wagner award about 3 or 4 years ago for their Ring Cycle

I forget what it’s (the award) called, but they’re becoming really well-known in the opera world. A nice West-coast counterpoint to the San Fran opera.

And the Seattle Symphony is pretty good, but tons of management/player problems. Like razor blades in mailboxes! Wheeeee.

by Robert Lintott on Jun 27, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

SAM is better since the remodel but still a tremendous disappointment as museums go

at least since the remodel it doesn’t feel like IKEA where you have to walk a specific path in a specific direction.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

MOHAI should be the size of SAM.

Given the region’s industry history.

by Matthew on Jun 26, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I love its location

but that’s because everyone else hates it.

by Matthew on Jun 26, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do too. I always love it when museums are near arboretums.

I wish it were even closer. Denver’s Museum of Nature and Science is amazing.

by Decatur on Jun 26, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus nobody goes there and it's right next to UW and the Portage

so it’s gorgeous and largely untrampled upon by moronic natives.

by Matthew on Jun 26, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suspect that's true for the most pleasent areas in many cities.

How the nicest areas are often almost deserted for some quirky reason or another.

by Decatur on Jun 26, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

they're directly related I think

the easier it is to access an area, the more people access it. The more people access an area, the more crowded it becomes, and the more it changes and becomes less and less like it was when it was unspoiled.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Especially here

where we’d pave a bunch of it, put in benches, etc and then overhaul it 10 years later for $30 million to make it look for nature-y

by Matthew on Jun 26, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh

I think I may have played frisbee there back in 1997 while ridiculously hungover…

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by section331 on Jun 27, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love the park next to it.

It is just a difficult spot for many to get to and in and out of.

by Sec 108 on Jun 26, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know. I just felt like jumping on that bandwagon now while I'm still young

so I have more street cred in 20 years when I’m still bitching about it.

by Matthew on Jun 26, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Store up your favorite establishments now

so when they’re gentrified out of existence in 20 years you can sound like a more authentic crank.

God I miss the Frontier Room. (see?)

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

All the best poems are.

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by Llewdor on Jun 26, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

*Wilfred

And yes, British WWI poetry kicks much ass.

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by JY on Jun 27, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whoops. Dammit, and he's my favorite poet too.

And yeah, there is something so haunting in British WWI poetry that I’ve never seen anywhere else.

by Robert Lintott on Jun 27, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

They're regentrifying Broadway over the past few years.

It’s really rather astonishing.

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know it

I’m really happy to see it come back – in the late 80’s/early 90’s it was really vibrant, and then it fell apart. My fear is that, like all the other regentrified neighborhoods in the city, the only people that will be able to afford to live anywhere near it are white people with money.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm curious...

as to how the new light rail outpost by the Seattle Central campus will affect things. The campus itself has had a shifting demographic over the years too.

That housing up the street has changed the look of things, but every other business in the area seems to be in and out, except maybe Everyday Music, which has really thrived over the past few years.

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

To tell you the truth the best thing that could have happened for the long term health of Capitol Hill

(and I mean in terms of it being the kind of place one wants to hang out) was the housing crash. Because there’s no hurry to get anything built, development companies are being way more thoughtful with their designs and intended market. The light rail station has a lot to do with that. Some of the projects coming down the pipe are going to be awesome.

Assuming they get built.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 26, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of the most stunning things I've heard recently

was from a guy that was building a new house about a block from our place. I was walking around the other night, and I stopped to shoot the shit with him a little bit. I was asking about how many houses he’s built, how things are with the market being down, and all that, and we got to the subject of the actual construction. This particular house went from level ground to fully finished in just under two months, and I was marveling at that. We started talking about how hard it would be to sell his house in this market, and he said that where two years ago it would have sold in three days now it’ll probably take four months.

Then he said something that blew me away: “But the upside to the slower market is that now I can take my time and build houses like they’re supposed to be built because I’m not under time pressure from the developer.”

The fact that he would admit that he just slapped up houses as fast as he could to a complete stranger kinda boggled my mind.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

I’m a bit happy for the housing crisis, definitely, because the places that used to be out there that I could drive to remain out there and retain that charm.

But Capitol Hill? I don’t know. My dad used to tell me stories about living up there in the mid-‘60s and said that the Hill never really grows up. There are some great places around there that I still try to frequent whenever I’m in these days, but those big complexes on the north end caught me by surprise. They sort of had a feel of what Kirkland has become over the past decade.

Some of it’s trending positive, but I’m a little concerned that the character is being bled away.

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is a very valid concern

Seattle as a whole has seemed to define “gentrification” as “four stories of condos over a ground story of retail/upscale coffee/wine bar”, which is fine in limited doses but that’s all that seems to be springing up around the city, and Broadway’s no exception.

I will say, however, that the big blank wall that was the Broadway side of QFC will not be missed.

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by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

That has been a problem everywhere though.

In times of affluence, cookie-cutter urban planning dominates because it provides the biggest immediate return. Neighborhoods aren’t shaped during good times, they’re shaped during bad times. Unless of course they’re irrevocably damaged, like Ballard seems to have been.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 26, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sunset Bowl :(

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pagliacci used to have their Christmas parties there

back when I still worked for them, so it’s a bit of a sore spot still.

There aren’t really that many bowling alleys remaining. I remember Tech City or whatever it is in Bridle Trails back when it was Totem Bowl (I think), but I haven’t been in since. It’s pretty much Kenmore Lanes or nothing, but that’s also proximity talking there.

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right, it was Totem Bowl

Boy, that takes me back a bit

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by tootthekazoo on Jun 26, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I like the new Broadway QFC, or the north end one, not to be confused with the one closer to Madison. That place has character in it’s own odd way.

That four story condo thing pretty much encapsulates the west side of Juanita these days. That’s another place that really changed.

It’s not horrible, as you said, it’s just nearly impossible to get a feel for a place from one to the next when it’s all superficially identical.

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

That stretch of Broadway is actually quite neat, and the QFC reflects that nicely.

A lot of that probably has to do with the community in that direct vicinity.

by abender20 on Jun 26, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will point out that Club Lagoon lasted about three months before it closed.

Capitol Hill will change with the times because it is the cultural epicenter of the city, but I think that its place in Seattle will stay fairly constant.

Look at the apartment complexes on the hill as an example; every era of housing-boom architecture is represented. It looks different and the people that live there look different, but I’m unconvinced that it’s ever going to be all that different in terms of the role it plays in the city.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 26, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a good point.

Club Lagoon was gone pretty quickly, but I think the Neumo’s-like institutions will likely continue on in some capacity. Same with the old manufacturing buildings that have been repurposed as studios.

I’d find it hard to imagine any other part of the city playing the Capitol Hill role.

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by JY on Jun 26, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of my favorite lines from a customer when I tended on the hill.
We came along and made this hill a place to be and then the breeders showed up and made it suck again.

by Sec 108 on Jun 26, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Olsen's is closing

because no one in the family wanted to buy it. That kind of sucks. Supposedly business was good to the bitter end. (Source Myballard.com)

by greg briley on Jul 2, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Recommended reading, Lusty Lady by Erika Langley.

She wanted to write the backstage story and to do so became a stripper there. If memory serves she stayed on after publishing. I think it was the early ’90’s.

by Kermit. on Jun 26, 2009 7:12 PM PDT reply actions  

This thread is hilarious

Mostly because I’m from Portland, where liquor and fully naked women can be sought out in the same building, so I’m of the opinion that juice bars and half-naked women is not really worth the money or time spent. How strippers make money in this city, I have no idea.

I’ve attended with friends and played in strip clubs, so I don’t have an issue with strippers or people who want to be involved in sex work; live and let live, whatever. But it’s amazing that this city reacts to nude dancers (that aren’t actually nude) the way it does, especially with the proximity to Portland, and the fact that some of the largest strip clubs are downtown. I mean, isn’t there some big complex right across from Pike Place market? And there can’t be one by SafeCo? Give me a break!

So, to sum up, thread = funny, strip clubs = ok.
Oh, and I’m willing to bet that Mark Lowe will be the first one in there. Just a feeling.

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by section331 on Jun 27, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions  

In the state of WA?

Having known at least 3 people that work at the other Vu locations, I have been told repeatedly that it’s not. All I know is what I’ve heard from friends, since without booze or a band, there’s really no reason for me to go to one here.
Also, I already have a pair of tits, so̷