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OFFTOP 6/24 - The Last One Is Imploding Edition

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I'm short on time but we need a new one. Here, folks, are some suggested topics.


In your humble opinion, what was the worst cover song ever recorded? How about Celine Dion doing "You Shook Me All Night Long"?

What is your favorite Roller Derby name? Mine is Betty Ford Galaxy.

I used this one last time and enjoyed it.... what did the last text message you sent or received say?

Who is your favorite local band?

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Oh - my last received text says

“Thank you for everything! I will get you $ this afternoon. xoxo”

by royalcurve on Jun 24, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions  

My last text.

“It’s a shot in teh dark for doubles, but I’m available if you want to take the chance.”

by abender20 on Jun 24, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Hm

1) My least favorite cover ever? Alien Ant Farm’s cover of Smooth Criminal.
2) Don’t follow Roller Derby
3) I don’t text
4) The Jazz Police

by BrianL on Jun 24, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

`

Unfortunately, yes.

Stripped down to 4 1/2 minutes and stripped of all meaning.

by BrianL on Jun 24, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holy shit!

My dad drummed for the Jazz Police for a long time in the 90’s/early 2000’s before going back to school! He’s on quite a few of their recordings.

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 24, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's one of my favorite local venues to play at.

I try to stop in to catch the Cutler Orchestra and the Jazz Police at least once a month.

The jazz band I’m with typically opens for Cutler once a quarter.

by BrianL on Jun 24, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same here.

Their fries are top notch as well.

by .Taylor on Jun 24, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, yeah, I'm sure you did.

They played there all the time. Small world.
He also still plays there every once in a while with some smaller bands.
Do you still play sax?

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 24, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Edmonds Community College

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Jun 24, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally stole your thunder there

Next gig you’re doing though, give me enough notice so I can make it up there to see it. I miss being in Jazz, so I’ll live vicariously through you

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Jun 24, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I miss Toby Hanson

he used to post in the old asbs-m days, but he’s been swept away by the success of the Smilin’ Scandinavians

by msb on Jun 25, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice.

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 25, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Answers:
  • I cannot think of a song I hate more than the Thong Song.
  • It is though for me to pick just one; my friend Macy’s name is Mae C. Stars which I love. Rollin Bayou, Ann R. Kissed, Jo DiSmashio, Andromeda Sprain and Interplanet Janet are all favorites. Also, despite skating for the hated Sockit Wenches and being the dirtiest rollergirl I have ever seen, Drew Blood is a fantastic name.
  • Received: “Kinda busy so I’ll tell you @ home <3”
  • Arbitron

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 24, 2009 1:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Wait so un-rec'd

that’s 25,000 SBN comments, not 25,000 LL comments.

That’s like counting your hits in AAA towards 3,000 hits

by seattlebruin on Jun 24, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pussy

You didnt even crash the thread

by Robert on Jun 24, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most recent text which came from my wife who is a Vikings fan.

“THEY FUCKING SIGNED FAVRE!!!” And no those are not happy all caps.

My favorite text received today was from a friend who played a gig last night and woke up around 11am hungover. He thought he sent this to his wife. “Good Morning honey. I love you.” I was concerned for a couple of minutes.

by Sec 108 on Jun 24, 2009 1:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Mostly tearing from limb to limb.

She takes her Vikings more seriously than I do any of my teams and I don’t think her hatred for Favre can be measured.

by Sec 108 on Jun 24, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

If that happens it will definitely subside,

But you and I both know there isn’t a chance in hell of that happening.

by Sec 108 on Jun 25, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Favre

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 25, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

So who is so much better than the Vikings in the NFC?

The Arizona Cardinals went to the Superbowl last year. Read that sentance again.

by waldo rojas on Jun 25, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Almost all of the East,

plus the Saints certainly.
Other teams have the potential to be better like the Falcons and Hawks.

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 27, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I watch all their games because the wife is a huge fan.

Adrian Peterson cannot be counted on to show up every game. He is the new Barry Sanders. One amazing game for two painfully mediocre ones.

Their wide receivers are average at best. Same with their O-line.

On defense their best players are starting to get older and are not as dominant as they were just two years ago.

Add that all up and you have a team good enough to make the playoffs and do nothing once they get there.

by Sec 108 on Jun 25, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was never a fan.

Every year he led the league in runs for negative yards.

I have a close friend who is a life long football coach and he loves this new blocking scheme the Seahawks will use this year because it is designed to eliminate negative runs.

I am no football expert so I tend to defer to his knowledge, but he always says a negative run play on 1st or 2nd down is the most damaging thing that can happen beyond a turnover because it allows the defense to pin their ears back and rush full boar.

by Sec 108 on Jun 25, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Running for 30 yards on the next play tends to counteract that.

His style was different, but there’s no way in hell Barry Sanders hurt his team.

by Teej on Jun 25, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

The offensive lines on those Lions teams were terrible too.

He is my favorite player to watch play the game. I don’t think I’m the only one who wishes he played on those good Cowboys teams of the 90’s instead of Smith.

by Jed MC on Jun 25, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could be wrong,

but I seriously doubt he would have been as successful as Emmitt.

by Sec 108 on Jun 25, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

He may not have been.

I just think it would have been neat to see him run two or three yards past the line of scrimmage before having to make any cuts. It seemed like the Lions plan was to give him the ball and hope he could dodge enough guys to gain yards.

by Jed MC on Jun 25, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not that I know anything about football

But last night BIll Krueger was advocating that only losing teams have good hitting catchers, so I take any “expert” opinion with a grain of salt.

by Poochie on Jun 25, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm the furthest thing from a football expert.

I just enjoyed watching Barry run the ball more than I’ve enjoyed watching any other football player.

by Jed MC on Jun 25, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do too, but football is much different than baseball.

It is more about can you dominate the guy opposite you for 10 seconds max.

I find ex football players understand their game far better than ex baseball players do.

by Sec 108 on Jun 25, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

WHAT?

He WAS as successful as Emmitt, despite playing for a half-decent community college line.

Emmitt scored more TDs, period. That’s his ‘edge.’ Which is basically like ranking baseball players based on RBIs.

by marc w on Jun 25, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not refferring to TD's.

I could use help here, but where do I find first downs made per attempt?

I also know that it goes against common knowledge, but the Lions line was unfairly ripped on in those years. Barry did not NEED to dance before hitting the hole. Rather he chose to because he always looked for the home run.

His lineman never knew where to block because he always did his own thing and ignored the actual play called.

by Sec 108 on Jun 25, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

According to this coach who played pro O-line himself,

those long plays do not counteract it. The whole basis of the West Coast offense was to always get positive plays to extend drives.

The more times a drive fizzles out because of a bad 1st down play you end up stressing your defense.

This is why the whole Raiders stretch the field offense died on the vine years ago.

by Sec 108 on Jun 25, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

But the Lions didn't run that offense.

And Sanders was the best RB I’ve ever seen.

I’m… wow. You really didn’t like watching Barry Fucking Sanders?

by marc w on Jun 25, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I loved watching him,

but I do not think his style was conducive to winning.

I was not saying they ran that offense, but rather the reason that offense has been so successful is because it avoids negative plays. Getting 5 or more runs of negative yards a game hurt his team badly.

by Sec 108 on Jun 25, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I.... this is like arguing with someone about strikeouts.

Emmitt Smith couldn’t have gotten a negative play if he tried. I think the Cowboys gained 2 yards on every late-game kneel-down.
From 1992-1997, no fewer than 2 (and often 4) members of the Cowboys offensive line made the pro-bowl. In that time the Lions had… Lomas Brown (not bad).
Emmitt had Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin, Sanders had Rodney Peete/Scott Mitchell/Charlie Batch and Herman Moore.

by marc w on Jun 25, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, the late 80's -early 90's Lions D was atrocious

so they played from behind a lot forcing Mitchell et. al to pass. The Cowboys were blowing people out and ran the hell out of the ball.

by waldo rojas on Jun 25, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am not saying Barry was bad.

I am saying he was nowhere near Emmitt.

I will not name names, but a certain UW defensive lineman played in the same division as Barry and he said their line was very underrated.

Yes the Cowboys were stacked, but I truly believe Emmitt made his teammates better.

by Sec 108 on Jun 25, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am seriously having flashbacks to early 90s debates about the Cy Young

Sure Randy Johnson struck all those people out, but
1: He played in a small market and couldn’t handle the pressure of playing in front of a hungry Chicago/NY crowd.
2: Walks and Ks are the worst thing, because they take the defense out of the game and actually make them play worse.
3: He didn’t put his team on his back and will them to the playoffs.
And that’s why Jack McDowell/Jimmy Key deserved the 1993 Cy Young over RJ.

You’re picking Jack McDowell over Randy Johnson. I can’t understand, so I’ll just back away slowly.

by marc w on Jun 25, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that is unfair, but so be it.

I am willing to be proven wrong, but just because he was fun to watch and you believe his line sucked is not a good enough argument for me.

He was a far better athlete than Emmitt. I just think he used his skills in a less efficient manner.

by Sec 108 on Jun 25, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously there is some subjectivity here,

but go check out their career statistics and see if you have the same opinion of the two.

by waldo rojas on Jun 25, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is not something I came up with today,

but I am comfortable being in the minority on this one.

by Sec 108 on Jun 25, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure this is something that can be proven one way or another

because the argument isn’t about stats. And since football is not nearly as easily quantifiable as baseball, there’s a reasonable argument to be made. I don’t agree with it, but it’s still reasonable.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Overall, I agree, but the "efficiency" argument is just flat-out wrong.

Assuming efficiency equals YPC, Sanders averaged 5.0 YPC for his career (6.1 YPC in 1997! six point one!!). Emmitt was at 4.2, and only broke 5.0 once (1993).

by waldo rojas on Jun 25, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am willing,

and I have sat in on smarter football people than I having this very argument. After hearing both sides this is where I am at.

Nothing said today has changed my mind.

And for marc, Jack McDowell was a lucky punk bitch.

by Sec 108 on Jun 25, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand what you're saying, and I even agree with you to some extent

but not your overall point. If Sanders and Smith were closer in terms of production maybe, but Sanders’ numbers blow Emmitt’s out of the water. And while you might be correct that Sanders might have been less efficient than Smith, would he have been the same running back if he’d played differently?

To me it almost seems analogous to saying that Ichiro would be better if he walked more; sure, extra OBP would be nice, but if he’s not the same hitter because of a changed approach it’s not worth it.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think his team would have been better

while his overall stats would have suffered.

I just think a player who average 4YPC but almost never loses yardage is better than a player at 5YPC who loses ground on 10% of his carries.

by Sec 108 on Jun 25, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because football is a game of

wearing the opponent out. If you are able to sustain drives you make the opposition less effective.

An 80 yard touchdown run while it may put points on the board it also puts your defense right back on the field.

It is counter intuitive and I fought it for years, but my friends who coach the game have won me over.

by Sec 108 on Jun 25, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's an interesting aspect of the game.

My uncle coaches football, and he’s never happier than when his guys attain 4 or 5 first downs -- EVEN if they don’t score.

by .Taylor on Jun 25, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

But if he drastically changed his running style

he might not be the same running back, and so he might not have been nearly as productive. He was a little dude (even smaller than Emmitt) and evasion was clearly his game.

And even if Detroit’s line was underrated it still wasn’t anywhere close to good, while the Cowboy’s line was clearly one of the best ever.

I’m willing to accept that Barry wasn’t the greatest running back of all-time, but he’s certainly in the conversation while I don’t think Emmitt Smith really is. I guess that’s why this particular argument seems weird to me.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it’s more analogous to two outfielders

One who plays every ball like there it’s a tie game with a runner on third in the bottom of the ninth, and one who plays like, well, Ichiro. The former may turn a few more balls into outs, but he will also play a whole lot more singles into doubles or triples.

by justcougit on Jun 25, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

My least favorite cover ever? That's a tough one.

1. I’d have to go with Duran Duran’s cover of White Lines, just off the top of my head. Or Motley Crue’s cover of Anarchy in the UK.
2. I haven’t been to the roller derby in a couple years so I’m not sure of their names at this point. But roller derby is awesome.
3. It was a photo text of a giant beer stein sent from my wife, with the caption HOFBRAUHOUSE. Considering that I received this text 10 minutes ago, while I’m still at work, that’s basically spousal abuse.
4. The Thermals.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 24, 2009 1:57 PM PDT reply actions  

I love the Thermals so much.

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 24, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well let's see...

1.) Limp Bizkit’s cover of Faith. Combines a band I abhor with a song that sucked in the first place.
2.) No clue.
3.) “I’m so bored right now and I still have like 2 more hours of class.” From my girlfriend. Yeah, not exciting.
4.) Akimbo. If you’re a fan of rock and roll that will crush your skull in I would check them out.

by Zwakamatsu on Jun 24, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Opened for Minus the Bear.

Rocked the place so hard, oh my goodness.

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 24, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, reading thought the tags

Ryan Franklin and Joel Pineiro have been the complete opposite of last season and could approach Spiezio territory.

by Poochie on Jun 24, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Other suggested topics

- Would you have sex with Timmy Howard? a) yes b) hell yes
- Will Landon Donovan transfer to Real Madrid, Arsenal, or just start playing teams all by himself and winning
- HOLY FUCK WE BEAT SPAIN HAHAHAHHAHAHA

by Nick S on Jun 24, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions  

While it is indeed awesome that the US beat Spain

I want Landon Donovan nowhere near Arsenal. He couldn’t even crack Bayern’s reserves.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 24, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone know how to lift the individual tracks off of a DVD?

This isn’t a protected one or anything. Just a DVD of my band playing a set that a friend made for me. I just have no idea how to turn these files into something uploadable (is that a word?) to facebook for example

by coolguyrob on Jun 24, 2009 2:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Mine is Billie AnnihilateHer.

I was sort of hoping for Ivana Tripabitch.

by royalcurve on Jun 24, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're too tall to be a jammer.

Jammers are usually 5’3" at the tallest.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 24, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

At the tallest.

You’d have to be one hell of a fast, agile skater to be a jammer.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 24, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I tried all three.

Angry Burn, Smasher Burnout or AssWhuppin’ Destruction.

by msb on Jun 24, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a Jammer and my name is...

Vicious Pestilential

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Jun 24, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blocker

BendOver BackstabHer

……That’s what….she…..

by OlSalty on Jun 24, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aggro DisintegrateHer

Well that’s heartily disappointing.

by Robert Lintott on Jun 25, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did anyone happen to catch Colin Cowherd's show today?

I usually hate his guts but they had this USA soccer “intro” song about the US getting smoked by Spain that nearly made me shit my pants laughing.

by Zwakamatsu on Jun 24, 2009 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

ok.

1. I just keep thinking of odd ones I like.
2. Shenita Stretcher
3. rec’d. “sounds like a good idea”
4. Current?

by msb on Jun 24, 2009 2:17 PM PDT reply actions  

OK....

1: ‘American Woman’ by Lenny Kravits. Big ‘thanks’ to Kermit for reminding me.
2: Hot Carla
3: “YEEEEAAAAAAHHHH!”
4: Hmmm…. Primate 5, Girl Trouble, Chinese, plenty of others. Can’t decide right now; depends what I’m in the mood for.

by marc w on Jun 24, 2009 2:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Stupid song is stuck in my head now.

Best method to remove ear worms, quick! This is worse than hiccups by far

by Kermit. on Jun 24, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

IT'S A WORLD OF LAUGHTER A WORLD OF TEARS

IT’S A WORLD OF HOPE AND A WORLD OF FEARS
THERE’S SO MUCH THAT WE SHARE
THAT IT’S TIME WE’RE AWARE
IT’S A SMALL WORLD AFTER ALL

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 24, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

THIS IS THE SONG THAT NEVER ENDS

YES IT GOES ON AND ON MY FRIEND
SOME PEOPLE STARTED SINGING IT
NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS
AND THEY’LL CONTINUE SINGING IT
FOREVER JUST BECAUSE…

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jun 24, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

GOD I LOVE BRAK

Brak rules.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 24, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd for Brak.

I didn’t know it could get more and more annoying, but he pulled it off.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jun 24, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Donavan's hilarious.

Absolutely taken out of the game by the likes of Osvaldo Navarro and Brad fucking Evans, but hey, sure, I’ll abuse Xabi Alonso for a day. Why not?

by marc w on Jun 24, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well Osvaldo Alonso is quite a good holding midfielder

Being marked out of a soccer match by a crappy middle infielder would be a little embarrassing though

by Graham MacAree on Jun 24, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

HAHA!

I fucking knew I’d do that one of these days. My stars.

by marc w on Jun 24, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

While we're on the subject of soccer...

Would someone be kind enough to give me a brief little rundown on the positions on the field? There are times I kind of understand what’s going on, but most of the time I’m watching a game and just see a bunch of guys going after the ball and I have no idea who is responsible for what.

by BrianL on Jun 24, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are forwards (strikers), midfielders, and defenders

arrayed in different formations, depending on the team’s players’ strengths. For a long time, the “standard” formation was 4-4-2; four defenders in a line, four midfielders in a line, and two forwards. In recent years, a 3-5-2 has become common, as has a 4-3-3. The reason for this is that it’s become more common for a midfielder to drift forward into more of a goalscoring role, thus turning the midfield into three holding players and one guy that sorta roves up forward to get the ball either in the net or to the striker in front of the goal.

Cristiano Ronaldo, twat that he is, is a great example of a modern midfielder who excels at getting forward and scoring goals.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 24, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Looking at Wikipedia I see there are a bunch of different classifications for midfielders.

by BrianL on Jun 24, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Fredy actually plays midfield too.

I can’t find confirmation of this as he used to be a striker.

Ronny, TAKE

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 24, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another question

The Sounders typically play in a 4-4-2, correct?

by BrianL on Jun 24, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Riley/Hurtado/Marshall/(Wahl/Sturgis/Scott) in the back.
Zakuani/Ljungberg/Alonso/(Evans/Le Toux)
then Fredy and Jaqua.

As Graham says, Jaqua’s more of the true center forward/tall guy that’s supposed to head the ball down to the fast guys, but I’d still call Fredy a forward.

by marc w on Jun 24, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

that seems to be the position that’s evolved the most over the last 20 years or so. They used to be thought of purely as links from the defense to the scorers, but nowadays you really want at least one midfielder that can get the ball in the net on a fairly regular basis. As teams get away from the strategy of “kick the ball from the back all the way over everyone’s head down the field and hope for the best”, they start leaning more on multiple quick, short passes to get the ball upfield; Barcelona, Arsenal, and Man United are all really good at this (to varying degrees of success). To play like that you have to have a midfielder that’s capable of controlling the ball well.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 24, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that could be right

they just don’t get all the attention that flashy midfielders do.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 24, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you can make a damn good (unbiased) case

You have wing midfielders in the Beckham role, but so many teams from the Sounders to Chelsea utilize defenders to push up the wings and actually put the crosses in. Works really well if you’ve got good defensive midfielders.

by marc w on Jun 24, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

As wingers have turned into goalscoring menaces the fullbacks have transformed

It seems like it used to be a much more tackling position than it is, and now the defensive requirements are a lot more like pushing attacked to low-impact field areas (i.e. positional rather than possession defence), and the attacking requirements are really similar to outside midfielders minus the ability to actually score.

by Graham MacAree on Jun 24, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ironically, the shift from being a pure tackling position to an attacking one

has resulted in tackling being perhaps more important. They’re out of position so often that they need to be able to make really technical tackles at some point to stop counters.
Or, if you play for the Sounders, just say ‘fuck it’ and let Keller stop the shot.

It’s actually fascinating how wary of attempting to tackle the Sounders wingbacks are. Riley’s ‘defense’ of a man with the ball in the corner is just to move backwards until the guy shoots or passes.

by marc w on Jun 24, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate that a lot

I don’t think tacking is really that important as a wingback, but what is crucial is the ability to push the ball carrier outside and stop the momentum of an attack or even poke the ball out for a throw in. The harrying part of the defence is what that position is supposed to do in order to allow the defensive midfielders to crash backwards and the centrebacks to get into position.

And Riley doesn’t harass the ball carrier, but hey, at least he’s in the neighbourhood most of the time. More than can be said of Scott.

by Graham MacAree on Jun 24, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't have a big problem with Riley. He adds something in attack

and is 100% inept in defense. He’s a guy that makes something out of his minimal aptitude for defending.
Scott is bad, but Scott hasn’t played in a while, and the defense is still occasionally hilarious. I’ve actually thought Wahl’s been OK. Maybe that’s the low expectations talking.

by marc w on Jun 24, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have transferred my mocking to Tyrone Marshall and Le Toux

Le Toux would be awesome if his decision making skills didn’t lead him to consistently exactly the wrong conclusion at ever opportunity.

by Graham MacAree on Jun 24, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

So how long until we start hearing that because the US beat Spain they're capable of winning the World Cup?

I, for one, am looking forward to a year of the media fellating the national team, because I didn’t already read enough absurdly unrealistic expectations while following England.

by Graham MacAree on Jun 24, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Give it a day or so

and you’ll also start seeing a lot of articles about Jozy Altidore’s suitability for (insert top European team here).

Then on page 4 there will be an article called “Where Are They Now: Freddy Adu” with no trace of irony whatsoever.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 24, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, he's a good player all right

but because he scored a goal against Spain the US media will now bleat about how he should be showcasing his talents on the world stage, when he’s probably not quite at that level yet.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 24, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh and to follow up

were you in the US in 1998? There were so many articles/stories about “this is FINALLY the year the US makes a splash on the world stage!” followed promptly by three losses in three group games. So I guess they did in fact make a splash.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 24, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes and it really pissed me off

The US is a team capable of pulling off an upset against a top club every now and then but it gets woefully overrated near every big tournament (like England!) due to collective wishful thinking.

by Graham MacAree on Jun 24, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

But at least England is historically a reasonably good team so there's some slight basis for it

the US has never even sniffed that level of success, with the exception of 2002, and yet this win will serve to create a huge amount of undeserved “THEY CAN DO IT” hype.

Note: if they can in fact do it I will fly to their training ground and apologize to each member of the team and coaching staff individually.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 24, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

England's fascinating.

They’re woefully overrated near any big tournament, then, when they inevitably lose, the media overcorrects and blames the players, the managers, even themselves for creating false expectations, a culture of mediocrity, etc.
They’re nowhere near as good as many think, and nowhere near as shameful and pathetic as the print media says they are following a loss.

by marc w on Jun 24, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think I've ever seen a big tournament knock-out game that England have actually deserved to lose in.

1996 Euros: Penalties
1998 WC: Penalties
2000 Euros: Didn’t watch
2002 WC: Asleep
2004 Euros: Penalties
2006 WC: Penalties
2008 Euros: ahahahahahahahaha what

by Graham MacAree on Jun 24, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe they could learn to take penalties better?

And yes, this is only counting the ones they got to. They were totally outplayed by a ten-man Brazil in 2002 and were outplayed by Argentina in 1998. They showed a lot of heart in that Argentina game, but I think they lost focus after a fast start.
Not really sure who ‘deserved’ to win that game in 2006, and going out when you go 120 scoreless followed by missing three of four penalties seems fair.
2004 – yeah, absolutely. They deserved that one.
2008 – AT HOME. This was basically a tournament knock-out game.

by marc w on Jun 24, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

As soon as a match gets to penalties the result is completely divorced from the game before

I wasn’t saying that they deserved to win those games, but once it gets to PKs who the hell knows.

Let’s not talk about the clusterfuck that was that Croatia game. I’m so so so glad I didn’t take the tickets when I was offered them

by Graham MacAree on Jun 24, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that the result is divorced from the game and that deciding the game based on a little

mini-contest on one little skill is bizarre, but it’s how they do things. So…. practice them!

by marc w on Jun 24, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I assume they do now

Fabio does not look like a man you want to miss a penalty for

by Graham MacAree on Jun 24, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

And for people who say 'you can't replicate the stress'

Kidnap random players in the middle of the night along with their families. Tell them that they need to take a penalty and score otherwise their loved ones will be executed.

From then on, the World Cup will seem totally laid back.

by Graham MacAree on Jun 24, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, then people would pull a Cruyff and just not play for England.

I still can’t see why stress is a valid excuse. What part of the game isn’t stressful in extra time of a WC quarterfinal?

Their struggles in PKs may also be a function of England’s keepers. Peter Shilton’s been gone a loooong time.

by marc w on Jun 24, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seaman was alright at pens

How many shootouts do goalies actually decide? I can’t actually think of one where I thought ‘that goalie won it’ rather that ‘what the fuck Southgate/Terry/etc’

by Graham MacAree on Jun 24, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus his nickname was Spunky which is awesome.

The 2006 FA Cup final was pretty much won by Reina, he saved three penalties.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 24, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

His name is 'Seaman' and he had a wispy little moustache and a pony tail.

I didn’t know his nickname was ‘spunky’ but I have to say it fits the pattern.

There is nothing awesome about that creepy, creepy man.

by marc w on Jun 24, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except his goaltending

but yeah, I definitely found him creepy to look at. And the ’stache was less wispy than porn-starish, I think:
Photobucket
Either way, not an attractive person.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 24, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, I meant going forward.

The tough losses that DIDN’T go to pens often featured howlers from the keepers. If England’s in more shoot-outs, they may give someone like David James the opportunity to really take his game to a new, even lower, level.

by marc w on Jun 24, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Worst cover--Last Kiss as done by Pearl Jam

My roller derby friend Chessa is named Chesstosterone.
I am waiting for a text that does not incriminate
Chinese, of course

Ronny, TAKE

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 24, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Ok ok

G is Great, R is for return of the kid, I is idol, F is for fantastic F is feeling the excitement, E is for Extra special player, Y is for you never want him to retire.

Ronny, TAKE

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 24, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions  

"God jose lopez sucks".

David Fukushima – 5/29/09

by abender20 on Jun 24, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Since we're sharing time-wasting links

I think this is one of the coolest tools ever. It lets you search flickr photos by color combinations. I bookmarked this a while back, so most people may know about this, but if not, click around a bit. Multicolr Search Lab

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jun 24, 2009 3:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Local bands

I’ll try to stick to somewhat smaller names, but a few are: Dave Bazan, Rocky Votolato, Slender Means, The Half Brothers, Awesome!

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by Eyebrows on Jun 24, 2009 3:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I met David Bazan at Wherehouse Music in Silverdale when I worked there.

He’s probably the most famous person I’ve ever met…and that’s so very very sad.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jun 24, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Will he be able to keep the funny leg twitch he uses during his stride?

I hope so. It looks really distinctive and cool and reminds me of many Japanese players’ strides (which are way more entertaining than anything in MLB). It changes a bit from swing to swing in the Power Showcase videos (see 7:00 here versus this swing here), but I hope that is not a huge deal.

by Decatur on Jun 24, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Strippers beware!

Awaiting the day I catch a Russell Branyan foul ball. I will make love to it.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997

by JLProck on Jun 26, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Couple of Questions

1. Anyone know where to find major league totals for all players for a given season for things like AB/H/2b/3b/HR/BB/HBP/K?

2. League average BABIP ~.305?

I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.

by andrewgolfsalot on Jun 24, 2009 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd try here

baseball reference

Seems like you can just change the year to whatever you want in the URL. Also, that’s MLB overall. You can also look at league totals.

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by Eyebrows on Jun 24, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure, why not.

Our average offense is worse than our offensive average. See? Maybe? No?

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Jun 24, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you!

I know it was somewhere on BR, but couldn’t find it.

I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.

by andrewgolfsalot on Jun 24, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

How did that send so quickly? I did not mean to send it.

ANYWAY, my last text message reads “US beat spain 2 nil.”

I couldn’t name my favorite local band without embarrassing myself. I’m years removed from the local music scene. =(

by katal on Jun 24, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked those guys!

They used to play with Engine 54 all the time at the Theatre.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I used to really like Engine 54.

Just came across an old Engine 54 t-shirt the other day.

by marc w on Jun 25, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

In retrospect they weren't very good (just listened to their second album a few months ago)

but at the time I thought they were the best band in the world. And they put on a very good live show.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

They did.

And none of that stuff really aged well at all.

by marc w on Jun 25, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hepcat!

I wonder why that could be…

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly the ska band from Tacoma!

Despite actually trying when I was in my early-20s, I was probably most keyed into local music when I was 15. It probably came from all the Harvey Danger shows I went to. =/

by katal on Jun 25, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

My last text is from my fiancee

“I’m gonna slap the shit out of you, smartass”

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Jun 24, 2009 4:43 PM PDT reply actions  

"Yupppp! Me too. Plus the senior DVD of course."

As for the others, I heard The Cab cover Disturbia. Considering neither artist is good to begin with….

Favorite local band that still exists? I guess Death Cab or Fleet Foxes. I am not up on the local music scene though.

by Mariner John on Jun 24, 2009 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

MODEST MOUSE!!!
Pretty much all we did for the six months we were trying to write the record (Good News for People Who Love Bad News) was play ‘Dance Hall’ for about two hours a day….and get really drunk

—Issac Brock, lead singer of Modest Mouse

by JamMasterJesus on Jun 24, 2009 6:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Beautiful.

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 24, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can believe that.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on Jun 25, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

.

In your humble opinion, what was the worst cover song ever recorded?
There are a MILLION horrible versions of Guns and Roses patience

…the last text message you sent or received say? WOW. I will NOT be sharing that, very OT.

Who is your favorite local band? I use to have so many … now I would say Jason Webley. The Drinking Song is a nice start if you have not seen him before.

by mark sobba on Jun 24, 2009 7:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Worst cover?

There seems to be a lot of bad Sgt. Pepper’s song covers.

Last text message was my girlfriend asking me to pick her up some diet coke on my way home. I obliged.

Not sure about favorite local band. I definitely do not enjoy “Sleepy Eyes of Death.”

I never really liked the old tagline.

CougCenter

by Craig Powers on Jun 24, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Local bands:

Minus the Bear, The Thermals, Aqueduct, Quasi

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 24, 2009 8:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Worst cover: the Kid Rock "Summer Song" or whatever it was from last summer.

I’m not sure if it really counts, but every time I heard it I just wanted to listen to Werewolves of London.

As to the others:
Derby Name: no clue
Last Text: Received “Griffey! 5000th hr in mariners history!”
Local Band: Jukebox the Ghost (local out here in DC), Fleet Foxes (Local to Seattle)

by Robert Lintott on Jun 25, 2009 7:15 AM PDT reply actions  

So we just got an email that said someone at our company got H1N1

in the email, it both said not to worry and provided instructions on how to panic effectively…er, how to protect yourself. Given the advent of the KILLER EVIL VIRUS FLU here, I’m not sure what to do first:

1. Panic
2. Run around screaming “IT’S ARMAGEDDON, PEOPLE” (could be tied to #1, thus saving time)
3. Loot/ransack
4. Blindly accuse random people of spreading it and hinting they might be terrorists

Who knew there was so much involved in being sick?

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 25, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

My sister got an e-mail last week telling her that eight of the ten kids she had been locked in a room with had H1N1

and that they were aware they were sick and had been exposed to it before putting her in the room with them. Which, since she has serious asthma, did not make her too happy.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 25, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

To go along with pdb's reply fail

I can’t wait til everyone dies of colds due to the county public health offices telling us to use antibacterial hand sanitizer all the fucking time. Yay for me surviving the coming plague!

Ronny, TAKE

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions  

No shit!

Also, people with pets have a much higher chance of surviving the next plague.

by Sec 108 on Jun 25, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

NOLA!

Hooray for rational fears! The antibacterial hand soaps, dish soaps, lotions, etc. drive me up the wall. I don’t understand how so many people can be afraid of things like flying and not care about all the superbugs that are evolving because we’re a retarded species.

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by Eyebrows on Jun 25, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is the straight-alcohol sanitizer also bad?

I don’t use it often, but I have some lying around.

by Teej on Jun 25, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aaaaaand one of my first ever childhood crushes has died

RIP Farrah Fawcett. My bedroom wall wouldn’t have been the same without you.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 25, 2009 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow, that sucks.

She was only 62.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jun 25, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

She'd had cancer for years though

so on balance it may be a better thing that her fight is over.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 25, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Recommendations for good bars in San Fran? I'm headed up for the 4th of July weekend.

So far, we’re going to get to Toronado and an Irish Pub that apparently serves excellent South Indian food as bar food. Swoooon.

by abender20 on Jun 25, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

The Owl Tree

on Post. Apparently it’s been remodeled, and I haven’t been there since the remodel, but it was a crusty old bar with awesome staff; Yelp seems to think that it hasn’t changed that much. Which is awesome.

Also, Murio’s Trophy Room, on Haight (right by Amoeba!); it’s gotten a bit duller since they took down all the Anton LaVey art (he used to drink there and was broke so he’d draw them pictures in exchange for drinks) but it’s still a pretty cool place.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 25, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you like Irish bars

Ireland’s 32 (3rd/Geary) is a pretty good place. It’s not faux-Irish, there are a few plastic Paddys around but by and large it’s run by, staffed by, and attended by….shall we say, people that adhere to a certain view of Irish sovereignty implied by the name of the establishment. It’s an awesome place.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 25, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ask royalcurve about how awesome Amoeba is

it’s pretty much the best record store in the world.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 25, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was just there last weekend. Albeit the one in Berkeley.

I want to know what I need to do to get one in Seattle.

by marc w on Jun 25, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

In order of Amoeba location awesomeness

it goes

Sunset Strip
SF
Berkeley

but that being said it’s like trying to identify which of the three $100 bills in front of you is the best one. They’re all awesome stores, but the Sunset one is a mind-boggling sight to behold.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 25, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

My jaw dropped when I walked in to it the first time

I couldn’t believe how amazing and huge it was.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 25, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haven't been. And I think Berkeley gets something of a bonus

for being down the street from Rasputin, which has its sizeable vinyl basement.

In a town where Sonic Boom closes the vinyl annex, couldn’t Amoeba make decent money here? Do they need someone to run it? :raises hand:

by marc w on Jun 25, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amoeba is terrible.

The store is so vast and incredible, it’s absolutely overwhelming. I’ll enter with a mental list of what albums I want to look for, and will leave with a stack that’s everything but.

by katal on Jun 25, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, yay.

Today’s Softy topic.

Ichiro should steal more.

by msb on Jun 25, 2009 10:16 AM PDT reply actions  

LL topic:

Softy should talk less.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jun 25, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

He should also walk more. Or bat third.

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 25, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

And hit more homeruns!

He totally can, you know! Just watch him in batting practice. He’s holding out because he’s greedy for singles.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jun 25, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why Ichiro doesn't bat leadoff, third, cleanup AND eighth

that way he can utilize his speed, power, ability to hit to all fields, and average.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 25, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

KIRO

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 25, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

But he isn't on until 11, and I cannot listen Cowherd.

When KJR is preferable, well, you know it has to be baad.

by msb on Jun 25, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I usually have the Mariners game on while driving home from work at night.

So when I get in the car the next morning, 710 is still on my dial. So far this week, in the approximately five minutes I’ve heard Mr. Cowherd before plugging in my iPod, I’ve heard him bitch about golfers, compare Shaq to a 57-year old man (in a good way), and insist that soccer is a suburban sport, and that’s why America doesn’t produce good soccer players. There are about eight things wrong with that last point, especially.
Screw that guy, he epitomizes what’s wrong with sports radio.

by katal on Jun 25, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh.

He needs to steal more because he needs to score more runs.

by msb on Jun 25, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nexdef is ridiculously awesome.

Fantastic quality. I only wish it didn’t have the minute delay.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jun 25, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

If I can get nexdef quality picture without the time delay or the lag

through a glitch with nexdef turned off, I think it’s safe to say you don’t actually need nexdef to deliver HQ picture

by Poochie on Jun 25, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

George Vecsey is awesome

From his article about the US-Spain game:

The Spanish players are regulars for Barcelona and Liverpool in the richest leagues of Europe. The Americans play in the earnest Major League Soccer or are mostly role players and reserves in Europe.

damning with faint praise is fantastic. It’s a really good article, though, and avoids a lot of the OMG WE’RE SO AWESOME hype people were afraid would happen.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 25, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions  

The only part of this that makes sense
will the nation develop its own Jordan, its own Pujols, its own Crosby or Malkin, its own Maradona

Is the Maradona part. Hasn’t the nation developed those other players, and hence wouldn’t it make more sense to reference more footballers?

Ronny, TAKE

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 25, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just got Seahawks season tickets!

Finally off the waiting list!!

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 25, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

SO pumped!!!

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 25, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

238 Row C

Wells Fargo Club at the 10 yard line
Ducks to avoid Robert’s wrath

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 25, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

(Ducks to avoid Robert's wrath)

*

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 25, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a news headline

The lede:
“Robert’s path of destruction due to waiting for Seahawks tickets has spared only one thing: ducks.”

by Robert Lintott on Jun 26, 2009 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha,

Well done.

Currently listening to: Grizzly Bear, Manchester Orchestra, The Morning Benders

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jun 26, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

So I just found out that Books on Cassette in the Snohomish County Library system (Sno-Isle) will soon go the way of the dodo.

Does this make anyone else terribly sad? I have an iPod and an audible.com subscription, which are both beyond awesome, but books on cassette have a better selection. You can go jogging with a $15 walkman, but with a CD player, not so much. Sno-Isle’s mp3 books selection is pretty weak at this point, too. The Seattle Library system still carries the cassettes, but it probably won’t for much longer. Plus, I’ve found that a walkman can be a great conversation piece ("WHOA! A walkman! Awesome! I haven’t seen one of those in like 10 years!). But all good things come to an end, I guess. What are your guys’ preferences for audiobook/music listening?

by Decatur on Jun 25, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Jim Dale co-write the song Georgy Girl.

And was the only watchable part of Pete’s dragon.

by msb on Jun 25, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not so great.

Helen Reddy is not really an actress, the dragon is danged goofy— the old pros (Rooney & Buttons) are old pros, and Dale overacts a storm (but enjoyably) as the Evil Villain.

by msb on Jun 25, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just watched it a few months ago again...

Still awesome in it’s own way, but didn’t really survive the tests of time as much as I’d hoped.

Apple Dumpling Gang, OTOH…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jun 26, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is pretty interesting

I wasn’t ever sure why ESPN dumped their dead-center camera angle a few years back, and this article about the benefits of that angle explains why. And there’s video!

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 25, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I still prefer the "old-school" camera angle.

When the M’s play at the Metrodome, I get frustrated watching the game.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jun 25, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

And yet another thing I don't miss about car sales

“I know you’re selling that car with no power windows or locks for X, but I want this nicer car. And I only want to pay X. If you can sell one for that price, then you can sell any for that price”

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Jun 25, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

My last text message (sent):

HOLY SHIT MICHAEL JACKSON, TOO???!?

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jun 25, 2009 3:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow, anybody heard Alaska in Winter?

Damn fine band.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Jun 25, 2009 4:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I can't tell you when I had that moment about Of Montreal.

You might try and steal my Social Security checks.

But yes, there’s a lot to mine there.

by royalcurve on Jun 25, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

New York.

I’m going to be in a musical. (sorry to be OT)

by .Taylor on Jun 25, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too many.

here’s a quick first pass through…. Sondheim (Follies, Merrily, Sweeney, ALNM, Company, Forum, Gypsy) and Bernstein (WSS, Wonderful Town, On the Town, Candide)
… Tenderloin & Fiorello, Damn Yankees & Pajama game, Charity … Kern, Gershwin, Arlen …

by msb on Jun 25, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Arrrrgh. spacing, re: Sondheim-- Assassins. SITPWG. Into the woods.

Loesser- Guys & Dolls, Most happy fella, How to succeed, even Greenwillow at times

Rodgers and Hart, Rodgers and Hammerstein, Hammerstein & Kern & Friml & Romberg, Berlin & Porter

by msb on Jun 26, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Urinetown.

And it’s not particularly close.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 25, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only the one with Michael Jackson in it

and I will admit for a certain fondness for Grease. Otherwise I’m not a musicals guy.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 25, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can understand why some people don't like them.

Musicals are essentially vocal shows with filler. So, being a singer, I like them a lot.

by .Taylor on Jun 25, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do. =(

And suspend your disbelief!

50!

by joof on Jun 26, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

I can’t explain it properly but the suspension of disbelief required to watch a film is different to me than the suspension I’d have to practice to watch a musical. It may be a stupid bias but it keeps me warm at night.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is absolutely awesome

because it’s a musical that faithfully follows all the forms of classic Broadway musicals, but it spends the whole time making fun of every convention that a musical has ever employed – and it’s about rationing bathroom use! There’s no way that could be bad!

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

That is what is so entertaining about the stage reboot of Xanadu (currently floating in my player)

the happy mocking of the movie as well as the trend of overblown musicals, and basing musicals on movies…

by msb on Jun 26, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

That actually sounds like it would interest me

and since it’s one of my wife’s favorite movies and she’s already planning to go see the stage play when it comes to PDX next fall (like fall 2010…that’s how much she loves it) she may in fact be able to talk me into it if that’s the tone it takes.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Les Mis

Though Rent, Guys and Dolls, Brigadoon, and Bye Bye Birdie are all in the top.

And does Pirates of Penzance count, or are we drawing the line before operetta?

by Robert Lintott on Jun 26, 2009 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Paint Your Wagon

I’m not sure if it’s ever graced the stage, but I love that movie

by Kermit. on Jun 26, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huh, what?!

What one? How? Where?

by msb on Jun 25, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm not sure what it's going to be yet.

But later this year I’m going to be in a production of the Putnam County Annual Spelling Bee – just got off broadway.

by .Taylor on Jun 25, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I loved Brad.

It cracked me up that they used what was going on in reality and used it for more Paris fodder.

by msb on Jun 26, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

After spending a number of days in my car,

I’ve found that local bands suck, and Canadians make much better music than Americans do, and are in fact better in every way.
Lately I’ve been on a Novaks/Arkells/Son of Dave kick. (Yes, I know SoD is UK, but then just throw in the Weakerthans)

Also, driving 10+ hours daily for 6 out of the last 10 days is bullshit. At least I have Kevin Kennedy and Rob Dibble to keep me company…(shudder)

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jun 25, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions  

I find Dibble and Kennedy to be somewhat amusing though

Note that I didn’t say “informative”, but they are definitely better to listen to than most.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

They split them up and put them with people even more retarded than they are.

That and Baseball This Morning makes me want to rape myself with a Tony Gwynn bobblehead. Mark Patrick leaving was the worst thing to happen to that show (if you don’t count not taking Buck Martinez out back and shooting him).

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jun 26, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't that more of a drafting potential thing?

Also, Hawes and Brockman in the NBA together? That worked real well in college so what the hell.

by Sec 108 on Jun 26, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't wait until Daye faces Maxiell in practice.

I ran into a guy who coached against him in high school who was telling me how even in high school, Daye had all the talent in the world, but had poor work ethic and no real desire to get his hands dirty. Nothing has changed since then. Most of the time, fans want players to stay in school for selfish reasons. I think Daye should have stayed for his own benefit.

by abender20 on Jun 26, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well he's getting paid isn't he?

I just find it funny he could declare and go so high and not even be the best player on his team.

by Poochie on Jun 26, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's hard to say if he would have improved his position by staying in school

I thought the same thing about Pargo last year and it sure didn’t work out for him. As long as Detroit doesn’t expect anything from Daye for a couple of years, it might work out but I just don’t like him much as a player. I’m guessing that Detroit put more stock in Daye’s workouts and “length” than on what he did in the games, which is kind of crazy.

I previously posted as "Man From Nantucket"

by mem on Jun 26, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you like ridiculously drunken singing Irishmen -

And really, who doesn’t – the Pogues are coming to town. With the complete original lineup. Oct 10 at Showbox Sodo, Oct 11 at Roseland in PDX.

I don’t know how Shane MacGowan pulls it off, but somehow this legendary drunkard always manages to put on a good show. I’ve never seen the Pogues, but I’ve seen the Popes a couple times, and it’s a good time.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 9:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Did you get the gun attachment?

They just updated it to work with the entirety of The Orange Box, so hopefully it can catch on now. I’ve heard nothing but great things about it

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Jun 26, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

For someone that only drinks Session and lighter lagers

“dark beer” is probably anything that’s not Session – IPA’s, traditional ales, anything like that.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, it's a dark lager.

Similar to Port’s Midnight Session or Sam Adams dark lager.

I’m really excited for this; seems like it could be good.

by marc w on Jun 26, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

You and I know that

but people that only ever drink light lagers are afraid of beers called “dark” because they are used to “dark” meaning “hoppy”. Even though it doesn’t. Beer novices are cute.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 26, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I miss Oly Dark.

Weinhard Dark isn’t bad either.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 26, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

YES! Oly Dark!

Weinhard Dark is indeed quite decent. As a rabid Session drinker, I too am intrigued by the Session Dark…

I miss Oly Stubbies!

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jun 26, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice shout out to USSM there. Cool.

I can’t wait for his starts against the Dodgers and yankees.

by katal on Jun 26, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Batista, on Felix:

“He let the emotions take him out of his rhythm and concentration,” Batista says. “But you also can’t take the emotions out of a guy. It’s like taking the hump out of a camel: He might never be a camel anymore. But I believe he’s using his emotion as a fuel, to make him try harder.”

by Teej on Jun 26, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man, what a guy.

He should try poetry or writing.

50!

by joof on Jun 26, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

A while back somebody here, and I can't remember who, introduced me to a band called

Alestorm. And I would like to thank that person for introducing me to the unparrelled awesomness that is Scottish Pirate Metal. Also, it has come to my attention, that they have come out with their 2nd album a few weeks ago. It’s just as awesome as the first album.

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.425 wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jun 27, 2009 1:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Good eats in Seattle?

I have some friends that will be spending time in the city and they want to know where to eat. I haven’t spent enough time there to know the good places to eat. Could you all fill me in?

Awaiting the day I catch a Russell Branyan foul ball. I will make love to it.
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997

by JLProck on Jun 28, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions  

If you like jazz I always recommend Tula's on Second and Bell.

Good food and good entertainment. I’d go on a Sunday night to catch the Cutler orchestra.

by BrianL on Jun 28, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

A couple ones I like:

Vietnamese: Saigon Bistro and the Tamarind Tree on Jackson Street just east of I-5.
Cambodian: Phnom Penh Noodle House pm on 6th and King.

by Decatur on Jun 28, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay.

Skillet
IMusashi
Cafe Presse
Shanghai Garden (get the hand shaved noodles)
Green Leaf (amazing and cheap Vietnamese)
Salumi

There are a million little holes in the wall around here with amazing food.

by royalcurve on Jun 28, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

What type of food are they looking for?

Cheap, a nice meal out, seasonal, Northwestern, seafood, Asian, what?

Ronny, TAKE

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Jun 29, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

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