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What with the meltdown on Sunday, and the somewhat-less-meltdowny-but-still-dispiriting loss yesterday, I got to thinking.  Which is always dangerous, but anyway.  What is the most dispiriting loss you have seen in person, in any sport?  We've all seen a million of 'em on TV, but actually being there is something completely different.

Mine was in Cardiff, Wales.  The 2001 FA Cup final was a fantastic day - my friends and I made it to Cardiff from London in reasonably sober shape, the sun was out, and as soon as we got off the train we found the red half of the pubs in town (well, the Arsenal-red half anyway).  We had a couple beers, then I headed out to find a ticket from one of the many local touts.  I found a fantastic ticket - front row, second tier, section M19 - as it turns out, right above the goal Arsenal would be attacking in the second half.  I paid...a lot...of money for this.  But it was worth it.

For the 30 minutes I was in my seat before kickoff, I sat there terrified that a ticketholder with a ticket that would prove mine was a counterfeit would show up; nobody did, so once the match kicked off, I relaxed a bit.  Arsenal played really well in the first half, and the match went into the break scoreless but Arsenal were looking the most likely to score.

It all kicked off in the second half, though - Thierry Henry had a couple of fantastic chances that he didn't convert, but then with about 20 min left in the match Freddie Ljungberg scored for Arsenal.  GAME ON.  I turned to high-five the guy sitting next to me, who had no idea what a high-five was, so he grabbed me in a big bear hug and danced around like a madman.  It was awesome.

Then, disaster of disasters.  Michael Goddamned Thank Fuck His Team Was Relegated That Bunch Of Twats Owen scored, equalizing with under 10 mins to go.  Fine, whatever, Arsenal were more or less solid defensively so I was OK with extra time and penalties.

But NOOOOOOO.  That damned little midget did it again in the 87th minute, scoring low and wide past David Seaman to win the Cup for the Kop.  Or something.

And then what did I do?  I sat there and watched.  I listened to the transplanted Kop sing "You'll Never Walk Alone" for 10 solid minutes, which would have been awe-inspiring had I not been so angry; I watched Ljungberg and Tony Adams pick a sobbing Thierry Henry up off the Millenium Stadium pitch to collect his second-place medal.  I watched all the Arsenal players and staff collect their medals.  I watched Liverpool collect theirs, I watched them lift the Cup, and I watched them celebrate.  Why?  Because I may never get to a Cup final again in my life, and as much as it was a hot knife to the eyeballs, I wanted to take it all in.  My friends, all Arsenal season-ticket holders for years, couldn't believe I watched the whole thing, but I had to.

So that's my story.  What's yours?

 

 

 

 

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I have endured so many terrible sporting failures in my time that it is hard to choose but one.

I would say the most disappointing defeat as opposed to soul crushing was Manchester City 0 Southampton 1, probably back in 2003. It was our last ever game at Maine Road, our home for over 70 years and the scene of the biggest recorded attendance in British club football, 84000 back in 1934. It was a carnival atmosphere – it was nice and sunny, we had secured a nice mid table position, and everyone was looking forward to seeing off the old ground in style.

And then the team decided to take a giant, runny shit all over the assembled 34000 and turned in one of the most pathetic, dispirited snoorefests this side of Sunday’s meltdown. At the end of the game I was so angry, so upset that I stormed out without even bothering to take in the post-game festivities as they closed the old girl down.

OH SHIT! I FORGOT! HOW THE FUCK DID I FORGET THIS?!?!

1996. Euro 96. Germany Vs England, penalty shootout, sudden death, Gareth Southgate … oh shit.
1998. World Cup. Argentina Vs England, penalty shootout. David Batty … oh shit.
2004. Euro 04. Portugal Vs England, penalty shootout, sudden death. FUCK PORTUGAL … oh shit.
2006. World Cup. Portugal Vs England, penalty shootout, sudden death … SERIOUSLY, FUCK YOU CHRISTIANO RONALDO YOU FUCKING COCKMUNCH PIECE OF SHIT, I HOPE YOUR HOUSE CATCHES FIRE AND FALLS ON YOUR FUCKING SKULL.

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by EnglishMariner on Jun 2, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I should add though that I find losses in tight games by the Mariners to be just as soul crushing as close losses by Man City, but England defeats are probably the worst to stomach.

Although now I am 24, the pain is not quite as bad as when I was younger and I am now fully trained to expect not only defeat, but painful defeat.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jun 2, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was only young, but yeah ... ouch.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jun 2, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brutal.

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by pdb on Jun 2, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never seen so many grown men cry.

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by EnglishMariner on Jun 2, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet not.

I couldn’t even watch the penalties – I left the pub and went back to work, and by the time I got there it was over. I hate penalties.

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by pdb on Jun 2, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

UCLA vs. Memphis, 2008 Final Four

we came into the Final Four looking to finally get over the hump after losing to an undeniably great Florida team the past two years, and with our “great” coaching, looked to be a solid matchup for an incredibly talented but young Memphis squad.

Our strength lay on defense, with (undeserved, but still good) guard Russell Westbrook and amazing (and horrifically uncredited, ugh) forward Luc Richard Mbah a Moute. However, for all of our defensive strengths and team defensive play, it was also our greatest weakness – lead guard Darren Collison was a defensive disaster all the time (and made the Pac Ten all-defense team three years in a row!) and forward Josh Shipp… may have had trouble guarding me that year. Memphis countered our strength on defense with two fantastic scoring options, lead guard Derrick Rose and quirky swingman Chris Douglas-Roberts, both of whom had been key in leading the Tigers to a 1-loss season.

Collison’s problem all year was that opposing lead guards with good handles would wait for him to gamble, and then simply drive around him and create havoc in the lane. Bigger guards (and at 6-0, 155, they were ALL bigger than him) would just drive right through him. Derrick Rose was 6-3, 205 with a sick handle was a nightmare matchup for Collison, and 6-5, 200 lb guard Douglas-Roberts was a nightmare for Shipp, who simply could not contain opponents off the dribble, and "CDR"s favorite move was to simply drive straight at the rim and finish with a dazzling array of floaters and runners.

Thankfully, UCLA coach Ben Howland had answers waiting in Westbrook and Mbah a Moute – Westbrook, an athletic, physical defender was perfect to shut down Rose, and Mbah a Moute was noted for his ability to lock down any opponent, on or off the ball. Naturally, Howland exploited these matchups from the opening tip…

… oh wait, he played Collison on Rose and Shipp on Douglas-Roberts. Then the master of mid-game adjustments… left those two matchups alone while Westbrook and Mbah a Moute continued to dominate their individual matchups. He didn’t even change the matchups at halftime, and when he finally made the switch, it was far too late. The final nail was Collison’s final possession on Rose – Rose crossed over Collison, drove left from the top of the key, where Collison was able to force him baseline – Rose simply lowered his shoulder into Collison, bumping him back and nailed a 12-foot jumper that essentially sealed the game.

Memphis 78, UCLA 63 F
Rose – 25 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists
Douglas-Roberts – 28 points, 4 rebounds
Collison – 1-9 shooting, 2 points, 4 assists, 5 turnovers
sb – crying and screaming at TV over utter idiocy of not playing your two best defenders on their two best offensive players

The biggest kick in the nuts isn’t even that we lost the game – our opponents were an outstanding team. It’s that our curious coaching decisions gave us no chance to win at all, and wasted Kevin Love’s only appearance in the Final Four. If they take away Memphis’ Final Four banner, I am going to crush someone.

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't make me feel any better

yay! We were retroactive runners-up to Kansas instead of losing the semis!

Plus it’s absolutely retarded that Derrick Rose ever had to take the SAT in the first place when high school pretty clearly prepared him for his chosen career by it’s conclusion.

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How on earth is removing a record of a past game

any sort of punishment or deterrent from doing the same thing in the future? I really don’t understand the NCAA and how it runs itself.

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by pdb on Jun 2, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just FB-ed this to AC, so I might as well repost it here
I hope Memphis doesn’t forfeit the banners. Forfeiting games is the worst for everyone because not only do you guys lose those wins, but everyone else has to think “what if,” and that’s just as bad as having lost in the first place. Plus it’s just retarded anyway that he ever had to take the SAT.

Also, it just means you have to evade the rules better next time so you don’t get caught. God, I know the NCAA exists for a good reason, but some of its rules border on utter insanity.

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, to me forfeiting games played years ago is utterly useless

because it doesn’t punish anyone for anything – all it says is that a result that was achieved does not exist, when in fact it did exist, and to pretend it didn’t is just ostrich-like. Punish the school for fielding an ineligible player, sure – take away a scholarship, deny the school tournaments for two years, whatever – but don’t get all self-righteous years after the fact and say the games in question didn’t exist.

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by pdb on Jun 2, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Derrick Rose should be forced to take the SAT

once a week for 50 consecutive weeks as punishment.

Memphis should be required to field an all walk-on team for one season as punishment.

John Calipari should be required to return to the New Jersey Nets as punishment.

by Sec 108 on Jun 2, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or the NCAA should admit that they have no fucking proof

that Rose made his grades and stayed eligible while he was on the team, and that Calipari, despite the fact that they wanted to nail him the entire team he was at Memphis, runs a clean program and always has. Just let it the fuck go.

by acblue on Jun 2, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It just upsets me because of what you said, that you can't just arbitrarily take away an accomplishment

and it hurts other teams just as much as the one you’re trying to punish. If Derrick Rose was indeed ineligible and this gets caught before the game, does UCLA beat Memphis and Kansas to win a national title? Who knows?

And for Kansas, it cheapens their victory by making it seem like they beat a nameless opponent for the crown

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should hunt down violations on every team that made the tourney

because I’d bet most of them played with ineligible players at some point for some technicality or the $100 handshakes they get from boosters.

Norfolk State for national champs!

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh

We’ve all seen a million of ’em on TV, but actually being there is something completely different.

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by pdb on Jun 2, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm awful at reading

plus plane tickets were expensive =(

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's still a nutpunch

but for me I’ve seen so many games that break my heart on TV I’m somewhat inured to it. It’s always worse in person.

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by pdb on Jun 2, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watched the 2001 Mariners get absolutely dominated by Steve Sparks.

Which doesn’t sound like a big deal, but I was 18, still lived in Olympia and had never been to a game at Safeco before. I was working 70 hour weeks scrubbing toilets and cleaning carpets, usually seven days a week. I had to ask for the half day off weeks in advance and knowing I could go to that game was the only thing that kept me from drinking a bottle of floor stripper. So to have those expectations and then lose to the fucking Tigers, not only lose but watch Freddy give a leadoff HR and have that be enough, was a kick in the teeth.

by acblue on Jun 2, 2009 12:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hawks/Eagles in Husky Stadium, first game after 9/11gate

aka the game that exposed Chris McIntosh as a first-round bust. I had never seen a more clueless offense, totally bewildered by Philly’s blitzing scheme. Hass gets sacked like eleventy times. Dilfer chants by the third quarter. Most of the Seattle fans fled by the third quarter, so we were surrounded by rowdy Iggles fans who wanted to fight now that they outnumbered us. No beer (Husky Stadium). A thouroughly dispiriting game. I think this was also the game where Holmgren said the fans can go eff themselves.

by waldo rojas on Jun 2, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I haven't had any major heartbreak at a game

probably because I haven’t been to any postseason games. However, I did suffer a bit of heartbreak in screwing up a ticket order, thus causing me to miss game 5 of the 2005 ALDS versus the Yankees. When they went on sale, the site got slammed. I got in line for two decent tickets, and it said I had a 15 minute wait until I could get to the purchase screen due to the high volume. Thinking the nicer tickets might sell out in that time, I grab nosebleed seats in another tab as a backup. When time comes to purchase, Ticketmaster says that I’m trying to cheat the system and am only allowed to wait for one pair, fuck you. And so I get none.

I missed this:

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jun 2, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My only post-season game was the 2000 ALCS

a friend’s father had 4 season tickets in those days, and as game three was a matinee, two of his children couldn’t get off work, so I benefited….

by msb on Jun 2, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was at game 2 of the 2001 ALCS

And I don’t wanna talk about it.

by OlSalty on Jun 2, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Post running team in the Army, we trained like madmen for the Army Ten Miler in Washington, DC.

We were good, really good as in we had a shot at the title. At the last minute we get a new lieutenant, he makes us run in formation. Espris de corps and all that shit, I wanted to strangle him. Legitimate contenders to instant also rans, I didn’t bother picking up the t-shirt.

by Kermit. on Jun 2, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Also on the first base line

happy as an 11 year old attending a Mariners game at the shiny new stadium could be.

Jose Mesa is partially responsible for the cynicism that lasted over my entire teenage years.

I forgot how much that game sucked

by pmc47 on Jun 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel a stab in my chest whenever I look at the oversized memorial ticket stub I got from that game.

That made what should’ve been one of the greatest days in Mariner history (even a blowout loss would’ve preserved that) into one of the worst in Mariners history. It epitomized four years of bullpen pain.

by Decatur on Jun 2, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

October 21st, 2006 in Evanston, Illinois.

Michigan State takes the opening possession down the field for a field goal. Northwestern takes the kickoff, marches down the field, and scores. NU forces a punt, marches down the field and scores. MSU 3 and out, Northwestern field goal. 5 and out, Northwestern touchdown. This game continued in this fashion until the score stood at 38-3 with about 25 minutes of football left to play.

Then, this happened.

by abender20 on Jun 2, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I've never seen a more shellshocked group of fans.

We weren’t even that good in 2006, but come the fuck on.

by abender20 on Jun 2, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My friend punched the mirror off his car that night.

I was stunned to the point of paralysis; otherwise I would have found something to break in half.

by Teej on Jun 2, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always mix up '02 and '03

But if I recall the Huskies fucking blew that year and that game took us from National Title game hopeful to out of the BCS in one afternoon!

by Poochie on Jun 2, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that was '02.

We were No. 3 in the nation and UW was bad, but Gesser went down and then Kegel took a big dump over everything. Triple overtime and a questionable (but not terrible) call against the Cougs to pretty much end the game.

The next year I believe we were in the Top 10 again, but then this.

by Teej on Jun 2, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tough question.

What game in 2000 did Clemens shut us out in the ALCS? That one sticks out as does game 6 of the 1995 ALCS.

by Sec 108 on Jun 2, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The one that pissed me off was game '01. We start Sele and go to Halama.

Joel Piniero and Franklin had been lights out in long relief all year, and hadn’t hardly been touched that series. Why not three inning apiece, go to the bullpen. I really didn’t like either Sele or Halama. Maybe I’m thinking of Bread and Water, or was ’01 the year he fell apart?

by Kermit. on Jun 2, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My dad was at that game

I believe it was a 1 hitter

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by gregrabble on Jun 4, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

August 2003

The Mariners, up 3 games in the division over Oakland (and 4 games ahead of Boston), travel to play the Red Sox for a four-game set. As I was attending college in Boston at the time and almost never got to see the M’s play live, I managed to get tickets to all four games (this was when it was still possible to get decently priced Red Sox tickets).

As I’m sure everyone knows at this point, the Red Sox swept the four-game series, pushing the M’s down into a first-place tie for the division and the wildcard at a time when the A’s were in the midst of a ten-game winning streak and a 20-9 month of August. Needless to say, this was the last time the M’s were in first place that season, and they missed the playoffs with 93 wins for the second straight year, finishing 3 back of Oakland and 2 back of the Red Sox. And I watched it all fall apart.

by patsfan on Jun 2, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Go now before they are sold out

on top of all this, that might send you over the edge.

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by pdb on Jun 2, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, tell me about Chimay.

I saw some at my local store.

by msb on Jun 2, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is a delicious Belgian ale widely available in three varieties.

Red is nice Belgian strong, Blue is similar but darker and white is a Golden. Red is my favorite of the three.

by acblue on Jun 2, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm.

wonder if those bottles I saw in the cart are still there…

by msb on Jun 2, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check THIS price tag...

1997 Chimay 2

And then check the cork date…

Just cracked that baby open on Saturday. Deeeeeee. Liiiiiii. SHUUUUUUUS!!!

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by PositivePaul on Jun 2, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

1997

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jun 2, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That explains the price.

I don’t have the patience to wait 12 years for beer. Also, in 1997 I was 11, so there’s that.

by abender20 on Jun 2, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it was $10 back then, too...

And MUCH harder to find.

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by PositivePaul on Jun 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the last of my "decade" stash...

I’ve got a 2004 ale that I bought to celebrate Edgar’s HOF induction — bought it the last day he played. Hopefully I won’t have to age that one too much longer…

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by PositivePaul on Jun 2, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of nutpunches

Is there some sort of WE chart that lets us know who is more likely to win the cockpunch/mod bet?

by Poochie on Jun 2, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually considering doing this

but I’m a little confused as how to find the standard deviation for expected wins which would allow me to create a day-by-day probability chart

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When people bitch about the price of parking I want to stab them in the eye.

Also, if you go on a Grand Slam Family pack night you can get all of those things -parking for $40.

by acblue on Jun 2, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

People that bitch about the cost of parking would never dream of taking a train or bus to a game

so I really couldn’t give less of a shit if they’re stupid enough to pay $40 to park in the Home Plate garage.

by acblue on Jun 2, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free parking on Sundays is easy as pie to find.

If it’s that big of a deal drop the wife and kids off at the stadium, go park the car two blocks away and make the little fuckers walk after the game.

by acblue on Jun 2, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ding ding ding

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by pdb on Jun 2, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

retarded families need the most babies.

by johnbai on Jun 2, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He said he'd go a couple of times over the summer if it didn;t cost so much.

Are his kids really going to sit in their seats all game? Buy bleacher seats, bring lunch, go for the slightly more expensive parking is you don;t want to walk too far with the kids.

by msb on Jun 2, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or learn to love the 300 level seats right behind home that you can get for $20 a pop

also, you’re buying six tickets to a professional sporting event. What do you expect to happen?!

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love those seats.

There is also taking your family for a fun time to the Rainiers or AquaSox.

by msb on Jun 2, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is a fantastic idea

I have a friend who, even though he’s a self-professed big baseball fan, refuses to go to minor league games because “it’s not real baseball”. He apparently thinks major league ballplayers grow on vines somewhere in Kansas or something, and I firmly believe it’s because he never went to minor league games as a kid.

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by pdb on Jun 2, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a big minor-league game person either, even though I love baseball

it’s something about the exhibitionism of being at such a big stadium and taking it all in, all the people, etc. Of course, I also don’t complain about ticket prices, since I’m lucky enough just to be able to watch 10-12 games a year

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love them both for completely different reasons

but my family was somewhat poor for a good portion of my childhood so we went to a fair amount of Rainiers games.

by acblue on Jun 2, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's maybe a matter of perspective as well.

For little kids, they don’t know the difference. Plus the minors seem to focus on family involvement a bit more, and the costs are lower. Seems to be a pretty good way to get my kids interested in baseball for a lot less money.

by Kermit. on Jun 2, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's my thing

If I had little kids, I would take them to minor league ball a ton just because it’s a ton of fun for them – and when they get older, they’ll still appreciate the fun part and not feel that if they can’t get the $60 seats above the dugout the game’s not worth going to.

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by pdb on Jun 2, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is also why I would take kids to spring training

they don’t care that the autograph they just got was from some 19 year old who will never make it past short-season A ball. They got the autograph of a Mariner! That’s awesome.

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by pdb on Jun 2, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used to love going to Spokane Indians games.

Sure, there are more errors and the pitchers throw 89, but… oh that’s a lot like Mariners baseball.

by abender20 on Jun 2, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My first baseball game was a Boise Hawks game, and it's one of my earliest memories.

There’s something about minor league baseball that’s comforting. I need to get up to Adelanto.

by Teej on Jun 2, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes people's schedules dictate when they can/can't go to games

so I understand having to pay regular price for tickets.

Also, you can get tickets pretty cheap on StubHub

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Mariners are offering a way to get cheap tickets.

If he can’t get out of work to take them family to a game that’s not their fault. I understand that having a large family is hard but no one held a gun to his head and forced him to impregnate his wife four times.

by acblue on Jun 2, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah subthread closed maybe?

Veering into dangerous territory.

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by Eyebrows on Jun 2, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kids don't suck

Parents that don’t know how to raise kids suck.

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by pdb on Jun 2, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To steal from a wise man

My feeling is that kids are like any other group of people a few winners, a lot of losers.

by Poochie on Jun 2, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most kids suck.

Most people suck. Kids are little people with more annoying habits.

by acblue on Jun 2, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to exempt little kids from "people suck" though

because they don’t know any better. Which of course means it’s up to their parents to teach them how not to suck, and this is where the model falls apart.

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by pdb on Jun 2, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure I buy it either (having not really read any of the research)

it just seems that a kid is so dependent on his/her parents for cues that it can’t help but be a factor.

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by pdb on Jun 2, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's my point with it

I think a parent’s influence shapes the kid into being the type to choose a peer group that fits the child’s personality. If you do a shitty job raising your kid then he’ll pick other shitty kids to hang out with, and they’ll do shitty stuff.

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by tootthekazoo on Jun 2, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

These are the same people that complain about the price of concessions at movie theatres

and still buy a large popcorn, large soda and candy. But it’s worse because you can get better hot dogs outside for $3 and there are about a million bars within walking distance of Safeco.

by acblue on Jun 2, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We've had this discussion and agreed

The cost would be more like a hundred dollars if you weren’t spending you money like Tom Hicks on shore leave 10 years ago

by Poochie on Jun 2, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So assuming that parking is $20, and hot dogs are $5 each, thats $360 spent on six tickets or $60 a ticket

$60 tickets at Safeco are either Terrace or Lower Box.

Seriously, if you have enough money to afford those tickets for your family, you don’t get to complain about the costs of going to games.

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has this fucker never heard of Cheezburger Night?

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Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jun 2, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he says it in the article (too lazy to read)

but it’s unfair to point to those “what if” losses and neglect talking about unexpected wins.

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by Eyebrows on Jun 2, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right but he's not just talking about how they feel

but about how easily the Mariners could be in contention right now. A bloop single falls in against you, and you point to that and say if only. But you don’t subtract the bloop single that won the game for the Ms the next week?

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by Eyebrows on Jun 2, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

I guess, but I think it’s also fair to say that we’ve gotten kicked in the nuts more this year than truly unexpected victories

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or how about Shields throwing the ball away?

I’m sure there are a few more.

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by Eyebrows on Jun 2, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, that one!

seems like our miracles have happened against the Angels this year for some reason.

by seattlebruin on Jun 2, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How was that a miracle?

Otherwise it’s a runner on third one out with a run to win.

by Graham on Jun 2, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't calling it a miracle.

Just that the M’s have won a few games on lucky breaks, just like every MLB team.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Jun 2, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And besides this is the Mariners

runner on third, no out? No runs.

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by Eyebrows on Jun 2, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

JESUS CHRIST.

And it’s only June 2…

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Jun 2, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone following E3?

Sony and Microsoft have announced motion controlling peripherals.

It looks like Microsoft’s Natal allows for full-body tracking without the need for some kind of a tracking tag. Sony’s requires you to hold two light-up dildos.

by BrianL on Jun 2, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Full-game DLs!

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Jun 2, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just saw the Microsoft thing.

Interesting, but I’m not sure I want to spend $200 on an accessory that will let me dance around like an idiot. I’ll wait and see, because it could easily be fantastic, but chances are I won’t care.

by Teej on Jun 2, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the potential behind Microsoft's Natal is huge

but it’s going to take a ton of work from both the hardware and software devs to pull it off. They need to get someone other than Peter Molyneaux on board to make it happen.

by BrianL on Jun 2, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

More to the point re:Molyneux

They can’t use a (stunning and awesome) tech demo as the only thing to really push the hardware from jump. I also don’t think that pricing it at $200 would be a wise idea. I will reserve any judgment on actual use and application of the hardware until things get more fleshed out. Right now it’s just a proof of concept with prototype hardware, though with tons of promise

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Jun 2, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pffft

In other E3 news…

We can all buy The Secret of Monkey Island!

The original game is being re-tooled right on top of the original code, and will now include full audio dialog featuring the original voice actors from The Curse of Monkey Island, including Dominic Armato reprising his role as the voice of Guybrush Threepwood. This is so far my most anticipated game from E3

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Jun 2, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs