What I think the lineup should be.
- Ichiro RF
- Gutierrez CF
- Beltre 3B
- Branyan 1B
- Lopez 2B
- Sweeney DH / Clement DH
- Griffey LF
- Johjima C / Clement C
- Betancourt SS
Bench: 4th OF Chavez, UIF Cedeno, 3rd C Burke
This lineup gives the Mariners the best chance to score runs although the defense in left field suffers. The catcher DH timeshare works thusly, Sweeney always DH's against southpaws, Clement always starts versus righties either at C or DH and Clement catches against lefties occasionally.
I understand that many in the Mariners universe believe Clement is not a catcher. I strongly disagree. Jeff Clement has terrible footwork when it comes to throwing out runners and he also has below average arm strength. He is equal to Kenji at blocking balls in the dirt and both are far superior to Rob "Passed Ball" Johnson. (The best defensive catcher the Mariners have is Jamie Burke. He is far superior in every way defensively to Johjima, Clement, Johnson, Quiroz and Moore. If Burke was capable of being a league average hitter I would say start him five times a week, sadly he is not.) The base stealing dilemma presented by Clement as a catcher can be somewhat mitigated by having Clement catch on days that one of the LHP is starting, as lefties are better at holding runners on first base and the throw to third is more about accuracy than arm strength.
In this scenario Balentien is the odd man out. Until the Mariners are prepared to give Balentien 500 PA in a season he should not be on the major league roster as a part time player. Since the only scenario that allows for the Mariners to give Wlad that kind of opportunity would most likely involve trading Ichiro it is probably time to cut bait and give Wlad away to a team that plays in a park more suited to his skill set.
Another complaint about this lineup will be the bench. That argument is moot considering the Mariners play in the AL The only player in the lineup I would pinch hit for is Yuni, Chavez hits for Yuni and stays in the game as the LF in a close and late situation while Cedeno moves in at SS.
The final problem I foresee coming up with this lineup is Griffey playing all games against lefties. My response is to suggest any Griffey doubters look up who is leading the team in SLG% against LHP. Griffey can no longer catch up to a major league fastball, that much is clear. However, lefties are more likely to throw him breaking pitches and whether it is a slider that does not slide or a hanging curveball, as a guess hitter Griffey can still punish mistakes. Obviously as an outfielder Griffey cannot play everday, I would sit him 1-2 times per week in favor of Chavez. The types of pitchers I would try to sit Griffey against are righties with above average change-ups, these are the type of pitchers that have had the most luck fooling Griffey throughout his career and this season.
As an aside, I remember when Griffey could turn on anyones fastball. A particular game comes to mind when looking back. During a visit to Toronto in 1997or8 I remember Griffey turning on three Clemens Steroid Specials that were all clocked at around 98MPH and depositing them in the right field seats. So it is very sad to me that Griffey has now become Jeremy Reed when it comes to hitting a fastball, oh he can still get lucky from time to time but the best way to get Griffey out now is to pound him with fastballs on the inner half from the knees to the belt. Those are pitches I grew up watching the Kid turn around into the right field bleachers at the Kingdome and I feel honored to have seen it and saddened that those days are gone.
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yay rosterbation!
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by pdb on Jun 17, 2009 6:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally like the idea of just giving Wlad away because he doesn't fit on our 25-man
God forbid we get rid of Griffey and/or Sweeney to make room for our better, younger players
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by tootthekazoo on Jun 17, 2009 9:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who's your RH Clubhouse Leader if you dump Sweeney?
by Lanky on Jun 17, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Morse
he’s got the steroid hookups
by seattlebruin on Jun 17, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought this was going to be some actual news
Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"
by bluemax on Jun 17, 2009 9:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it's easier to Save Baseball In Seattle from there
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by pdb on Jun 17, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, I laughed out loud.
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by qrsouther on Jun 22, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griffey in left is a fabulous idea at Safeco Field.
Oh wait. Griffey playing the outfield regularly makes him the

by BrianL on Jun 17, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Griffey cannot be a worse outfielder than Raul Ibanez.
"Where's my doctor?"
by mw3 on Jun 17, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's like saying a six-month-dead corpse is less dead than a three-month-dead corpse
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by pdb on Jun 17, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or more dead, whatever
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by pdb on Jun 17, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that according to UZR Griffey is actually a worse defender than Raul Ibanez.
And according to wOBA he’s a much worse hitter. But yeah, other than for those two things you’re right.
by Vatinius on Jun 17, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While all this is true you must admit...
…that this is the best possible offensive lineup the Mariners could hope to put on the field over the course of the next month and a half. Also I’d like to hear thoughts on the catcher situation. I watched the Mariners give up on a premium college catcher after some tough adjustment were slow in coming, that catcher led the Red Sox to two titles. And yes your catcher must be a team leader which is why the Johjima experiment has been a failure and why the Mariners have not won since the glory days of Dan “The Man” Wilson.
"Where's my doctor?"
by mw3 on Jun 17, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wait what
And yes your catcher must be a team leader which is why the Johjima experiment has been a failure and why the Mariners have not won since the glory days of Dan "The Man" Wilson.
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by pdb on Jun 17, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interestingly enough I do not agree with that in any way!
by acblue on Jun 17, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surely you must agree that Dan Wilson, biologically speaking, is a man
he’s got all the markers – Adam’s apple, heavy forearm hair, deep voice.
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by pdb on Jun 17, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True enough.
Dan Wilson could in fact have been a little girl at one point.
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by pdb on Jun 17, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Where's my doctor?"
He’s chasing after you with a butterfly net.
by abender20 on Jun 17, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cue Wackety Sax!
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by pdb on Jun 17, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The authorites have failed to catch me for years.
Including my doctors.
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by mw3 on Jun 17, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, I'd respond to this, but I just can't seem to stop laughing.
Oh, I’ll try. Hey! Why don’t we sew a nice big “C” onto Johjima’s jersey—instant leadership!
by Liebkartoffel on Jun 17, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should sew a big red A on Gutierrez's jersey.
by acblue on Jun 17, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
"Bisexual" starts with a "b," Aaron.
by seattlebruin on Jun 17, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So does "bruised anus."
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Jun 17, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAVEN'T ANY OF YOU GODDAMNED PHILISTINES READ HAWTHORNE
by acblue on Jun 17, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should all sew scarlet letters onto our clothing
because we all look at Gutierrez with lustful intent and commit adultery with him in our hearts when he patrols centerfield.
by Decatur on Jun 17, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Ruiz and Chris Coste are true leaders
by Graham on Jun 17, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And where would this team be without Rob Johnson?
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by pdb on Jun 17, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd think with all these catchers the M's would be the most leadershippy team in baseball
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by pdb on Jun 17, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hah
St. Louis relievers... defying win expectancy since 2008
http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/
by vivaelpujols on Jun 17, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Wilson's mom?
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by pdb on Jun 17, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope his mommy doesn't call him "The Man"
by NOLAmarinergirl on Jun 17, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
She's proud of her widdle Dannykins though
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by pdb on Jun 17, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Washburn
we’re being trolled by Jarrod Fucking Washburn
by seattlebruin on Jun 17, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You realize that Clement just keeps hurting his knees when he catches, right?
by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 17, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Of everything, THIS is what bothers you?
by abender20 on Jun 17, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's trying to elevate the tone
quick somebody make a fart joke
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by pdb on Jun 17, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since we're trying to keep the level of Philistinism to a minimum here:
“Flatulence in Shakespeare’s Hamlet”
I argue that Hamlet is concerned with what lies within the "body" of the ghost, and that what he finds there—and my hope is that by the end of this essay this will sound slightly less preposterous—is a fart.
Attempting to make my admittedly bizarre argument more plausible, I will first touch upon a few instances of the word fart in canonical literature, including another of Shakespeare’s plays. Then I will raise the contention that in Hamlet a fart—the purgation of air of a sulfurous odor from the body—is a metaphor for the "sulph’rous and tormenting flames" (1.5.3) of the purgatory the ghost describes. In this connection, I will call attention to what I consider to be fart tropes in the text.
by Decatur on Jun 17, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just love the phrase "fart tropes"
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by pdb on Jun 18, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's that he's trying to catch while finishing his swing from three innings previous.
It puts terrible pressure on his knee.
50!
by joof on Jun 18, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is,
When Clement catches his knees make an inverted ‘W’, putting tremendous stress on the joints. If he keeps doing this he is sure to tear his ACL sooner than later. He just needs to work with his coaches on tweaking his squatting mechanics and he will be fine.
"Even the stupidest of men, by some instinct of nature, is convinced on his own that with more observations his risk of failure is diminished."
-Jacques Bernoulli Ars conjectandi 1713
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 18, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

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