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Baker vs. Bloggers - a Tinge of Hypocrisy

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I'm sure everyone, by now, has read Geoff Baker's post "The Difference Between Real Journalists and Basement Bloggers".  If not, the short and the sweet is that Baker posits real journalists would never make an incendiary claim (such as Jared's) that a player may be using PED's unless he is prepared to back those statements up with hard facts and research.  In short, a journalist always does extensive background work before suggesting such a potentially damning reality.

I should come right out now and say that, in general, I agree with Baker's take here; I don't think anyone should make incendiary, defamatory claims about someone unless they have good, hard, facts to back it up. 

However, I feel obligated to point out an article that Geoff wrote back in February of this year in the wake of the A-Rod steroid scandal.

At the end of the article, Baker writes the following:

Then, along comes Bavasi to run the 2004 Mariners. All of a sudden, a 90-plus win playoff contender from 2003 plummets to a 99-loss season. The offense drops off a cliff. Is there a connection between those drops and the stiffer drug testing? We'll probably never know for certain. All I know is, Bavasi inherited a team that -- for whatever reason -- fell off the planet. I've never heard him complain about it. But I have heard other GMs talk about how much tougher it became to sign free agents and plan your team around the past performance of hitters starting with that spring of 2004.

Now, I may be misconstruing Geoff's words here, but I read that as accusing the entirety of the pre-2004 Mariners (or at least the starters) as being steroids users.  Again, I may be misconstruing, but that is it reads to me.  Even assuming that I am taking Geoff's quote out of context, from his article today I would  expect him to back up that claim, at the very very least, by substantiated reports and evidence beyond the mouth of Shane Monahan.

 

My point in writing this is not to continue the blogger/journalist vitriol, but rather to say that if there is a standard that the "legitimate" media expects bloggers to adhere to, they ought to be just as, if not more, cognizant of that standard.  And Geoff has not done that here.


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Wow

Baker’s accusation in February was much more of an actual accusation than the recent one against Ibanez.

by Rollo Tomasi on Jun 11, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions  

It's unfortunate that Baker can't see this for what it is

Which sports writer hasn’t written some version of the “now that we know some of them were doing it, we’ll never how many of them were doing it” line? They essentially all have—some of them repeatedly—and that’s more or less the same point that JRod was making w/r/t Ibanez.

For a much more reasonable take on this from a capital-J journalist, Joe Posnanski looks at the issue without resorting to any attacks on bloggers at large.

by ubelmann on Jun 11, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Good find but I have one minor semantic quibble

I don’t think anyone should make incendiary, defamatory claims about someone unless they have good, hard, facts to back it up

The blog post that started this whole shitstorm does not contain incendiary, defamatory claims about Raul Ibanez. If you or anybody else hasn’t read it yet, read it before weighing in. Money quote:

Thirdly, it’s time for me to begrudgingly acknowledge the elephant in the room: any aging hitter who puts up numbers this much better than his career averages is going to immediately generate suspicion that the numbers are not natural, that perhaps he is under the influence of some sort of performance enhancer.

That is neither incendiary nor defamatory.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 11, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I did read the post before I wrote this

And while the content of the article did not really make defamatory claims (especially the quote you cite) I think the original headline certainly did.

Also, I should clarify that my beef here is not with Jared, nor with Raul for getting pissed off (hell, I thought it was kind of refreshing to see a player stand up for himself, albeit a bit preemptively) but with journalists suddenly screaming about some code of conduct that they themselves (apparently) refuse to adhere to.

by Andersean on Jun 11, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would also humbly suggest to Geoff

that his case would be far easier to digest by the masses (myself included) if he did not hold himself up as the prime example of journalistic integrity. His self-oriented writing style makes his many valid points go down really rough. At least for me.

by TheBishop on Jun 11, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

I normally like to read Baker but the article struck me as uncharacteristically arrogant, which is why I went fishing for that February article in the first place.

by Andersean on Jun 11, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just stop.

Geoff was giving us a personal example of a moment he as a professional Journalist had to put his money where his mouth was in a situation where he accused someone of wrongdoing.

Disagreeing with Geoff is okay, lord knows I have, but saying he is a self promoter is ridiculous.

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on Jun 11, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Personal examples are great

Going off on a stupid tangent about how bloggers would have failed his journalism course (irrelevant) or how he thinks they need formal training and he might be willing to hold journalism classes for them absolutely, utterly reeks of arrogance. Also, he’s unwilling to name Morris in the blog entry, which strikes me as condescending.

by Milendriel on Jun 12, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Baker’s clearly being a bully.

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by PositivePaul on Jun 12, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh

There is always a risk for this sort of thing when journalists go editorial. I understand the point of this post, but but I also agree with Baker’s statement – if you’re reporting the news, report the news. I think the main problem with blogs is that when a journalist obtains the ability to write one professionally, something will eventually slip. Whether or not his statement was hypocritical can be in the eye of the beholder – just as many people rushed to the blogger’s defense (or agreed with Baker) as condemned him, so much like the steroid issue, this has a few different sides, and everyone has their own opinion.

This whole journalist/blogger thing is just silly, in my opinion.

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by section331 on Jun 11, 2009 9:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Geoff Baker telling you what Geoff Baker is all about.!

He really does so much great work but he can’t help himself when it comes to stuff like this.

If he was a player he’d be A-Rod.

"I do not buy numbers defensively. At all," Amaro said. "I look at fielding percentage. But that other business? I don’t buy it a lick."

by Big Jared on Jun 12, 2009 3:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Ironically, I think if Baker were a ball player he'd be Ibanez.

He works incredibly hard, puts in legwork stays up late, writes a ton of words. And in the end you have a real good but ultimately not great sportswriter. I know Baker reads this blog and I hope this does not hurt his feelings because I’m actually a fan.

"Even the stupidest of men, by some instinct of nature, is convinced on his own that with more observations his risk of failure is diminished."
-Jacques Bernoulli Ars conjectandi 1713

by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 12, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh! Oh! Now do Betancourt...

If Yuni was a ballplayer, who would he be?

by Lanky on Jun 12, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Betancourt was a sportswriter

He’d be me. :/

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by section331 on Jun 12, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is one difference between Baker's column and the blog.

Baker never names names. He gets all wink-wink, nudge-nudge, but he never comes out and says, “A-Rod, Edgar and Boone might have used steroids.”

Baker does it a lot – like when he cites unnamed sources and gives hints about who it is. I don’t like it when he does this. On a 25-man team, we’re talking about a small group of possibilities, and it’s not hard to narrow it down to one or two people. Same with the steroid accusation. There are only a handful of people he could possibly be talking about. Is that really any different from naming names?

What're ya gonna do with those pies, boys?

by rickpo on Jun 12, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Morris didn't really accuse Raul of using steroids, is the thing. Yes, he used Raul's name, but he didn't "name names" in the way of saying "this guy used"

He simply said that, in the case of a huge surge in a player’s career at age 37, you can’t completely rule it out.

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by BrettJMiller on Jun 12, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Baker's point, though,

is that this kind of individual speculation isn’t appropriate in “real journalism.”

I don’t really agree with him, but I think people are misrpresenting Baker’s posiition. He doesn’t have a problem with face-less speculation, but he does care about speculating with specific names attached.

What're ya gonna do with those pies, boys?

by rickpo on Jun 12, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you're right

but Baker’s own (and incorrect, in my opinion) point was clouded by his arrogance. He outright states that he thinks Jared wanted to link Ibanez to steroids but hid it behind a bit of statistical analysis (""issue’’ pieces some writers try to hide behind when they passive-aggressively go at a different topic "). Only the mighty journalists Baker and Rosenthal were able to sniff out the amateur blogger’s true intentions.

Baker read his own biases into the post, and then wrote a condescending screed highlighting his lack of reading comprehension skills. Jerod “claimed he really wasn’t pointing a finger at Ibanez” because he wasn’t accusing Ibanez, at all. I respect Jerod more for acknowledging the possibility of PED use (or at least the whispers he was already hearing), even if unlikely, rather than the mainstream trend of ignoring it altogether.

by serotonein on Jun 12, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

If Baker's entire argument rests on the semantic distinction

of saying that it’s not okay to name individual players but it is okay to name a team (comprised of players) when discussing steroid use, then I’ll call bullshit.

To be clear, I think it’s totally fine to raise the issue, though only if you’re prepared to back it up (which is Baker’s initial point). In this case, specifically, I think Jarod (sorry about prior misspellings) brought more to the discussion and tried to do a broader survey of the issue and, in fact, did a better job of supporting his position that big numbers like Raul’s raise eyebrows, than did Baker in his February article where he sort of offhandedly accuses the entire franchise of being on Roids.

If you’re going to be “holier than thou” you should begin by being somewhat holy in the first place.

by Andersean on Jun 12, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see it as a semantic distinction

The difference between “someone is a murderer” and “Bob is a murderer” is more than just semantic mumbo-jumbo, especially to Bob.

My complaint against Baker is that it’s too easy to turn a group accusation into an individual accusation, especially when the group is small, like a 25-man baseball team.

What're ya gonna do with those pies, boys?

by rickpo on Jun 13, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

In that case, I think you and I are in agreement here

even if I’m not doing a very good job of explaining how.

Using your example, I think Baker’s February article is more akin to “someone in Bob’s immediate family is a murderer” than “someone is a murderer”.

But even more so, my point was that he seemed to just be throwing the accusation out there without providing readers evidence as to why.

by Andersean on Jun 13, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great piece.

I was unaware of Raul’s hot streak when he was with the Royals. That article sheds a new light on this while situation.

Awaiting the day I catch a Russell Branyan foul ball. I will make love to it.
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by JLProck on Jun 13, 2009 3:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck.

Whole. Whole situation.

Awaiting the day I catch a Russell Branyan foul ball. I will make love to it.
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by JLProck on Jun 13, 2009 3:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

From THT

Woops!

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.422 wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jun 13, 2009 2:58 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

You will notice that mine is dated June 11,

while the THT article is dated June 12.

Unless I’m misunderstanding the meaning of your “whoops”.

by Andersean on Jun 15, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are. I was just commenting on THT's little blurb on the article.

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.422 wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jun 15, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, okay, apologies

With all the sarcasm here it’s hard to tell.

by Andersean on Jun 15, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Understandable.

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.422 wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jun 15, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't look now

But there is another one on the way…

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by section331 on Jun 15, 2009 6:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, for one, he talks about libel a lot.

… but doesn’t address the point that there is no accusation in Morris’ piece. And gives Reilly a pass because he’s been around a long time. At least, those are the points that jumped out to me.

by Lanky on Jun 15, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know if this is the time or place to point this out, but Rick Reilly is the worst sportswriter ever

either he puts absolutely no effort or thought into his stories, or he puts effort and thought into them and they still completely blow. There’s no analysis, only random vague accusations of how the sports world sucks and how Reilly could make it better, etc.

by seattlebruin on Jun 15, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here's the part of Baker's libel link that cleared it up for me:

Can my opinion be defamatory?
No—but merely labeling a statement as your “opinion” does not make it so. Courts look at whether a reasonable reader or listener could understand the statement as asserting a statement of verifiable fact. (A verifiable fact is one capable of being proven true or false.)"

I don’t see how Baker could read that and still have a problem with Morris’ work.

by Lanky on Jun 15, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously he has a different perspective on this than the rest of us

It’d be interesting to see whether it’d actually hold up in court. I’m not a lawyer, of course, but I’m inclined to think it wouldn’t.

by Graham MacAree on Jun 15, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I looked up some court cases involving slander last week when this went down.

All (meaning 3 because hey reading legal writs is some boring shit) the decisions stated there is a difference between insinuating and directly accusing. Which I thought was a rather interesting gray area. So for whatever that is worth.

by Kermit. on Jun 15, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The fact that Morris never 'directly accuses' is what makes the libel thing a non-starter.

It’s just ridiculous. In a UK court, eh, probably not. Here? No way.
Saying ‘I can’t rule this out, and it sucks that it’s even in the mix’ just isn’t libel. What a bizarre, bizarre line of argument, especially when paired with the ‘Rick Reilly’s been around the block’ one. Do the courts have different libel standards for folks with ‘experience’?

by marc w on Jun 15, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not interested in handling out trophies and congratulations

just for showing up and trying. This isn’t the Special Olympics.

by Matthew on Jun 15, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, obviously I'm not saying really stop him.

I mean calling him out when he’s wrong, that’s all.

by Lanky on Jun 15, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see how calling him out helps here.

I mean, this is what, the third iteration of this? Nobody’s mind is getting changed at this point and now we’re fighting for shits and giggles

by Graham MacAree on Jun 15, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Calling out rarely accomplishes anything productive

If anybody has a beef with Baker, email him directly. Engage in a one-on-one dialogue, get to the bottom of what he’s trying to….oh, never mind, that takes too much time and thought. EVERYBODY SHOUT!

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 15, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

What, am I the only one who enjoys fighting?

I guess the way I see it, he’s developing his argument. There’s no reason the counterargument shouldn’t be developed as well.

And I know it’s naive, but I just can’t embrace the defeatist “nobody’s mind is getting changed.” If you and I have a debate about something, it’s entirely possible that you could change my mind. It’s happened to me many times. Surely I’m not the only one.

by Lanky on Jun 15, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think minds might be changed in the initial volleys, but everyone's position has been laid out fairly clearly now

I don’t see further argument as productive, and most people over on Geoff’s blog are conducting it in a way that damages the credibility of whatever side they’re arguing for.

Essentially, what I’m saying is that this seems to be descending into dogma, and that’s good for nobody, and while most of you are much better than that, we seem to be beating a dead horse.

by Graham MacAree on Jun 15, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, clearly Baker disagrees about how dead the horse is.

But I certainly understand your point. I thought getting into the whole “what is libel” debate was a little different than the ‘initial volleys’, though, and that’s why I discussed it here.

by Lanky on Jun 15, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two camps:

People who think that Morris was saying ‘In Raul Ibanez’s case, you can’t rule out PEDs’

People who think that Morris was saying ‘Raul Ibanez is on PEDs’

I don’t think anything’s changed since this first broke.

by Graham MacAree on Jun 15, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except that based on people's comments to Baker's post, there are other arguments out there:

People who think standards are different for bloggers and journalists.
People who think Morris is not a real man, unlike Geoff Baker.
People who think Reilly is a fuckwad.

There’s a lot of layers to this.

by Lanky on Jun 15, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who doesn't think this?
People who think Reilly is a fuckwad.

by seattlebruin on Jun 15, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know anyone personally.

But someone’s reading that crap, right?

by Lanky on Jun 15, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's at least one more camp.

People that think he’s insinuating, not accusing.

by Kermit. on Jun 15, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly?

Ask a random sample of a statistically significant number of American born-and-breds over, say, age 18, give them those two statements and ask if they say the same thing or something different. I’d be willing to bet that the majority of them would respond that those two statements say the exact same thing. I think THAT’S the issue that Baker is trying, in a round about manner, to assert. And that’s why he believes it’s treading in the libel territory.

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jun 15, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am only going to respond to points brought up by Baker because his role and access as a beat writer

means I am interested in the quality of his analysis and how he forms his opinions. This particular issue, no, is not that important, but it is a microcosm of how Baker approaches all stories and offers valuable insight into his thought process.

by Matthew on Jun 15, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

re: "everyone's position has been laid out fairly clearly now"

I can’t agree with this.
Baker’s first post went hard at the difference in experience between REAL journalists and bloggers, and noted that no Real Journalist would ever post something so slimy.
The responses, including this diary, pointed out that several instances where real journalists (even Baker) implied or outright stated that players juiced or that a specific player juiced.
So now we get a primer on US libel law, with the admonition that players have better lawyers. Setting aside the hilarity that a Real Journalist™ is urging people not to even insinuate things against people with more money or better lawyers, the fact of the matter is that this is an entirely new line of argument.
Others, including Posnanski, just want an acknowledgment that Morris’s post was never an accusation of Raul in the first place (so Baker goes with the ‘headlines matter, except personally I just got screwed by a rogue copy editor’ tack), and was more a case of the media getting to do a holier-than-thou story about evil bloggers.
I think the back and forth has been very illuminating, and it continues to be so, but at this point it’s got nothing to do with Morris.

by marc w on Jun 15, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

If nothing else these arguments raise a few peoples' understandings of the situation in general

Because of all the back an forth here, I like to think that this whole issue will cause a few people on both sides of the old media/new media equator to think a little more before they push the “post” button.

by Andersean on Jun 15, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I seriously doubt that as an outcome

The idealist in me says you’re right but the realist in me says it won’t make a damn bit of difference.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on Jun 15, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder...

Can you sue someone for libel who’s accusing you of being a libel-er?

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jun 15, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you can.

But you have to prove your reputation was damaged with a dollar amount attached.

by Wilder. on Jun 15, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

No he's not.

He’s a really excellent writer with some blind spots. Baker is really fucking good.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 16, 2009 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Being an excellent writer in no way precludes one from being a douche

Baker may write well, he may be very good at and committed to his job, but because of his writing I still strongly dislike him on a personal level

by Simon Phoenix on Jun 16, 2009 2:25 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

As do I more or less.

I stopped reading Baker a while ago mainly because of his douchebaggness. This whole saga really doesn’t surprise me coming from him.

The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.422 wOBA, 21 years old.

by Goose on Jun 16, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've had my spats with Baker, but generally we get along.

Baker is indeed good at his job, but he does think quite highly of himself, and regularly crosses from “confident” to “cocky”. I’d have a beer with the man, but while I generally respect his writing, I wouldn’t want to be somewhere with him for more than an hour or so. He’s good at his job most of the time, but he is a bit of a douche.

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Jun 17, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d like to thank you all for your insights and comments, from the journalism grads and students applauding the piece, to the authors and proponents of blogs with questions, concerns and beefs.

I want to be a journalist, am a journalism student and have often been a Baker defender, but that piece he wrote was the shittiest thing I’ve ever seen published on his blog. Seriously. Some day I want to be doing what he does, but if I ever write a piece like that, I want someone from LL to find me and kill me. That’s not a group I wanted to be lumped into, Geoff. Thanks!

Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Jun 17, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a blogger on a site that has a draconian "no steroids insinuation" policy

I’d just like to say that this topic sucks and I want it to go away.

by davidcameron on Jun 15, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions   7 recs

This.

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by section331 on Jun 15, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, cause not talking about things you don't like

always makes things better.

“I can’t hear you, I can’t hear you!”

by Scottie44 on Jun 15, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I ignored everything I didn't like, my life would be worse

If I ignored everything that was stupid, my life would be better.

This is a case of the latter.

by seattlebruin on Jun 16, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Amen to that, brotha!

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by section331 on Jun 16, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Career years should always be sources of hollow speculation.

This is so stupid it makes my brain hurt.

My favorite example:

Player X’s career line:
.260/.345 /.476 Averaged 30 HR per season, but only hit 40 once. Actually topped 30 HR only three times.

His career year:
.269 /.372 /.620 63 HR

What more evidence is needed! Clearly we need to strip Mr. Maris of his 1961 AL MVP and give it to Mantle.
Where are you Rick Reilly?

"I do not buy numbers defensively. At all," Amaro said. "I look at fielding percentage. But that other business? I don’t buy it a lick."

by Big Jared on Jun 15, 2009 4:37 PM PDT reply actions  

So more fun trivia questions playing with the all-time single season leaderboard

there were some awful base-stealers who kept running before 1920. In 1914, someone named Doc Cook ran 58 times and was thrown out 32, so 26/58 successful.

Not to be outdone, someone named Duffy Lewis ran 53 times and was gunned down 31, or 22/53 successful. Over 50 attempts each and not terribly close to even stealing 50%… – Lewis erased himself 15% of the time he reached in that season.

by seattlebruin on Jun 15, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

*61

Somehow the 61 MVP transcribed itself. I’m not dyslexic but I do dyslexic things from time to time.

"I do not buy numbers defensively. At all," Amaro said. "I look at fielding percentage. But that other business? I don’t buy it a lick."

by Big Jared on Jun 15, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

The funny thing about Baker is he ignores the time he failed his own standards

when he wrote the “White Jays” article for the Toronto Star years ago. He had little ground to stand on with what he was alleging in the article, though he did not go out and directly accuse the Jays(very similar to his issues with the Ibanez article ironically). I also very well doubt that he went up to Ricciardi’s ,Law’s, or any of the jays face and told them what he was going to write. The article caused quite a stir in Canada for basically saying the Jays “Sabremetric” approach to player signings and prefering safer college draft picks was a convenient excues to acquire exclusively white players.

by tdot mariner fan on Jun 15, 2009 10:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I just want this to stop because it's retarded and who cares and it makes stupid people hate Baker for stupid reasons.

And I have no problem with Matthew’s post because valid points were made, but it should have ended there.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 16, 2009 12:53 AM PDT reply actions  

This is the worst thing he has ever written.

He not only again takes a petty poke at Morris (while missing the entire point) over the Raul Ibanez blowup, not only does do so in a condescending matter, but he also brings up chemistry as a key part of performance AND hints at the “Ichiro is bad for the clubhouse” thing.

by abender20 on Jun 16, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

.

Hmmm…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Jun 18, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Hmm..
“It is tough, because he means so much for our lineup and he does so much in our lineup, not only offensively but defensively,” first baseman Ryan Howard said.

"Why should I stretch? Does a cheetah stretch before it chases its prey?"
-Griffey

by Big Jared on Jun 18, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

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