The Article Behind Raul Ibanez's Righteous Indignation
Let's take a look at it, shall we? Here we have an author attempting to explain why Ibanez got off to such a torrid start. Things he considers and/or investigates:
- Recent track record
- Safeco and Citizens Bank park factors
- Road stadium park factors
- Quality of opposition
- Sample size and luck
- History of fast starts
- Lineup protection
- Anomalous career path
- Changes in preparation routine
- Performance enhancers
As for that last one - the unpleasant and volatile point that set off this whole explosion - why don't we see what the author actually says?
...it’s time for me to begrudgingly acknowledge the elephant in the room: any aging hitter who puts up numbers this much better than his career averages is going to immediately generate suspicion that the numbers are not natural, that perhaps he is under the influence of some sort of performance enhancer. And since I was not able to draw any absolute parallels between his prodigously [sic] improved HR rate and his new ballpark’s hitter-friendliness, it would be foolish to dismiss the possibility that "other" performance enhancers could be part of the equation.
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It will be a wonderful day when we can see a great start by a veteran like Ibanez and not immediately jump to speculating about whether steroids or PEDs are involved. We certainly are not at that point yet, however.
Notice that nowhere in there does the author ("JRod") accuse Raul Ibanez of using. He only acknowledges that it's a possibility, which, well, yeah. It is. Nobody wants to bring it up and nobody wants it to be true, but the fact of the matter is that Ibanez's start does look funny, and because he's 37 years old, that's going to raise some eyebrows. It's not the author's fault that Ibanez has to deal with this sort of speculation. It's the fault of all the players around him who decided to use, players whose chemical dependence and positive tests have given the world reason to be skeptical of unexpected performance spikes. Raul Ibanez has every right to defend himself against potentially damaging press, but fans also have every right to be a little suspicious. This is just a fact of the times that we live in. I, for one, would love to take every athlete at his word, but considering everything we've seen take place, that would be more than a little naive.
Both parties here are right, and both parties here are wrong. JRod is right for acknowledging the possibility, and wrong for writing what he did in such a way that it could be interpreted as an accusation. Ibanez, meanwhile, is right to defend himself and go on the offensive, but wrong to target this particular article, which didn't say anything unfair. In the end, all we're really left with is the realization that steroid speculation is to baseball players as basement speculation is to bloggers.
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I have a difficult time reading JRod's words as an accusation.
by Matthew on Jun 10, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Matthew should start doing steroids in his mom's basement?
/speculation
by PDXTai on Jun 10, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm. What are the side effects of using steroids does Ibanez display?
* infertility (maybe)
* breast development (doesn’t look like it)
* shrinking of the testicles (probably)
* male-pattern baldness
* severe acne and cysts
* oily scalp
* jaundice (could be my TV)
* fluid retention
* rage, aggression
* mania
* delusions
That’s 5-7 fer 11. You’re not convincing anyone, Raul.
"Even the stupidest of men, by some instinct of nature, is convinced on his own that with more observations his risk of failure is diminished."
-Jacques Bernoulli Ars conjectandi 1713
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 10, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm what are the side effects of being retarded?
Too many auxiliary verbs? Check.
"Even the stupidest of men, by some instinct of nature, is convinced on his own that with more observations his risk of failure is diminished."
-Jacques Bernoulli Ars conjectandi 1713
by Bearskin Rugburn on Jun 10, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel your pain, buddy.
I make the same sorts of typos all the time. It comes from revising and/or altering the shading & structure of a sentence halfway through writing it. And makes you look fucking illiterate if you don’t catch it.
I don't know how to stop.
by esoteric on Jun 10, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Delusions" and "mania" are proven a priori by the whole "takes pride in his defense" episode, I assume?
If so, fair enough.
I don't know how to stop.
by esoteric on Jun 10, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ever wonder what the phrase "The (person) doth protest too much," means?
See Ibanez, Raul, OF 2009 Phillies.
This is one that you’ve got to let roll off your back, or you risk giving credence to the suspicions of the cynical fan. Let’s face it…if Raul doesn’t sit down in front of cameras and make a statement about the post…we aren’t talking about it over here at LL.
The blogger may have walked too close to the line for some people’s taste, but clearly didn’t cross it into the realm of an accusation.
by short on Jun 10, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And who is this blogger?
It almost makes me think Raul is up all night reading what other people think of him.
by Teej on Jun 10, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is funny, because I got the impression that Raul didn't actually read the article at all
by Jeff on Jun 10, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I'm wondering how Raul got wind of this
I wonder if he even read the thing
by Zack on Jun 10, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a wherever version of Geoff Baker out there (beat writer that is also an online presence)
That basically made a paper story out of calling the blogger out, and that’s what started it outside of the online world.
Of course, that came from Buck Martinez, so who knows if that’s accurate.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Jun 10, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
William somebody a long time ago
“Much ado about ……. well, something”. Ballpark, opposition, and the early season goodness things would seem to me to be the telling factors. Look how Raul used to hit in Texas (ballpark and opposition). But you have a point – if this article caused him to fire back (?), since when does a player need to rush to denial of PED/s? I didn’t read it as an accusation.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Jun 10, 2009 2:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This really is John Gonzalez's fault, moreso than it is Raul's or JRod's
This made it all blow up
by Graham on Jun 10, 2009 2:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps what irks me most is that John Gonzalez essentially says the same thing that JRod said
Compare/contrast:
It was probably inevitable. When you’re 37 and you’re crushing the ball better than you did when you were 27 – when you’re having a career year and leading all National League outfielders in all-star votes – people are going to notice. That’s when the wondering and whispering starts.
with:
Any aging hitter who puts up numbers this much better than his career averages is going to immediately generate suspicion that the numbers are not natural, that perhaps he is under the influence of some sort of performance enhancer.
It was also pretty rich when he claims to worry about fairness and then ends the article by quoting JRod completely out of context.
by ubelmann on Jun 10, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It angers me that Raul resorted to the "mother's basement" attack.
I wish FJM was still around to poop on Raul’s blocky head.
Who is this guy?
by evanr on Jun 10, 2009 2:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It just continues....
I’m a little stunned by this, actually…
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jun 10, 2009 3:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is awesome
from the comment:
In his case, he’s just Latin American. He’s hitting well late into his career because he’s got a body and natural hitting ability like Julio Franco rather than because he’s using any aids.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Jun 10, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG RAUL HAS AIDS
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Jun 10, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're afraid of his Guatemalaness, his natural heat
by abender20 on Jun 10, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly explains why Beltre is SECOND HALF HITTER! Summer heat, why didn't anybody explain this to me?
And A-Rod sucking in October! We’re really on to something!
by Kermit. on Jun 10, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's easier than that, even.
In the second half, the Latino players have just aged less (thanks to their Latinosity) than the non-Latino players and have therefore gained less experience. The experience mismatch causes the perceived choking.
by abender20 on Jun 10, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but but but
That explains A-Rod, but by that same logic, Latino players should be much fresher in the second half of the season because they’re not as worn down from all that experience.
Who knew science was this hard? Damn.
Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.
by pdb on Jun 10, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh? Is the one comment ending by saying Rauls Latino heritage makes him age better?
Am I reading that correctly?
by Kermit. on Jun 10, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the Former Mariner Goes to NL Hypothesis
The hypothesis is easy to follow:
Former Mariners who are good become stars when they go to NL
Former Mariners who are useful become good
Former Mariners who are bad become useful
I give you: Piniero, Franklin, Aurelia, Soriano, Sandfrog, Cirillo and now Ibanez
It works in reverse as well: Cedeno, Beltre, Vidro, HRam
by Mr.Phelps on Jun 10, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And if I cared, I would give you a longer list of players that fail your hypothesis.
by Matthew on Jun 10, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Griffey?
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jun 10, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically, it just suggests the AL is the better league
Interleague wins from 2003-2008
2003: AL 115 NL: 137
2004: AL: 126 NL: 125
2005: AL: 136 NL: 116
2006: AL: 154 NL: 98
2007: AL: 137 NL: 115
2008: AL: 149 NL: 103
All Time record (thru 2008): AL 1,536 NL: 1,420
by Mr.Phelps on Jun 10, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A .519 winning percentage
DOMINATION
Who is this guy?
by evanr on Jun 10, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over the last 3 years
Most Definitely.
by Mr.Phelps on Jun 10, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Johnson and Mike Cameron
also did a little better. AL is just a tougher league.
by Rollo Tomasi on Jun 10, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And while we're looking at Ibanez...
2009 Cameron: currently a .900 OPS at age 36, UZR of 7.8 in CF. Dude’s a megastar.
by Mr.Phelps on Jun 10, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heresy!
I won’t believe it!
~The Official LookoutLanding Poster Who Dreams Of Doing Naughty Naughty Things To Russell Branyan~
by section331 on Jun 10, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
disagree
Ibanez is totally right to go after the journalist who brought up the possiblity.
Firstly it’s innocent until proven guilty.
Second, silence or hesitation on his part would give rise to further speculation.
Also, going after this particular guy for slander would be a good move. It would prevent further speculation.
You are biased because you are a sports reporter/blogger. However saying that the issue has to be addressed etc. and other misdirection does not change the fact that you are accusing the player of probably being on steroids.
"In baseball, even the best hitters fail seven of ten times, and of those seven failures there are different reasons why. Some are personal failures, others are losses to the pitcher. You just get beat. In those personal failures, I felt I could have done better." Source: Baseball Digest (November 2002 Issue)
by switch11 on Jun 10, 2009 5:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes it does
The guy at no point accused Raul Ibanez of using steroids and is in no way guilty of slander.
by Jeff on Jun 10, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, what this guy wrote did not amount to slander.
Rauuuuul can react however he wants, and he is innocent until proven guilty. He can’t control what anyone might specualate tomorrow or what anyone thought two days ago. He is a public sports figure, he needs to deal with it.
by Sinking Away on Jun 10, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am so tired of people using the line in your sig.
The best players in baseball only fail 6 out of 10 times. If you fail 7 out of 10 times your name is Yuniesky Fucking Betancourt.
by Sec 108 on Jun 11, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The guy who wrote the column in the paper was on ESPN
Along with the blogger and Ken Rosenthal. The blogger seemed very reasonable and the columnist and Rosenthal basically ganged up on the guy. Rosenthal especially came off as a total dick. They basically stated it wasn’t ok to state your thoughts as they pertain to somebody else.
by CKel on Jun 10, 2009 6:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They must be mistaking blogs for professional journalism
by Jeff on Jun 10, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just watched the OTL piece and had the same feelings as you did.
I seriously think the kind of aggression Ken Rosenthal displayed comes from the idea that accredited journalists feel threatened by new media sources. Rosenthal has spent many years to be where he is at in his profession and probably has grown a sense of entitlement to being a journalist. This was an opportunity for Rosenthal to take the blogger’s words out of context, scold him for “bad” journalism, and gain trust with MLB players for future articles.
Rosenthal was out of line, but I give credit to the blogger for not losing his cool as I probably would.
by Wilder. on Jun 10, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's obviously juicing
Explains the jump in defensive performance as well…
Formerly Mariners124M... Username was sorta bland, so I'm changin it up
by BQueezy on Jun 10, 2009 6:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This angers me a bit for a few reasons
The guy wrote an article exploring the possibilities for Raul’s hot start. He explored a variety of explanations, backed up with stats, and when these failed to fully explain Raul’s HR rate, he stated, truthfully, that it’s something we can’t quantify or explain (yet, anyway). He offered a variety of explanations for why, outside of the realm of statistical analysis, that Raul could be doing well. He also stated that a third of a season is not good evidence for any sort of assumption. And then he addressed the question of steroids, which was raised by a member of a forum (not him), and said, entirely truthfully, that it can’t be ruled out. He never accused Raul of anything, though he suggested it could be a possibility.
This guy certainly deserves a bit of blame. Writing articles on a clearly inflammatory subject can only lead to…this. In my opinion, the article was very informative outside of the steroid mention, and the much better route would have been to just leave it out altogether. Incidents like this are part of the reason that bloggers are viewed the way they are. Bloggers may not be journalists, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be held accountable. Even speculation should be based on some sort of evidence, and “it can’t be ruled out” or “other explanations don’t make sense” isn’t proper evidence.
Raul Ibanez heard there were steroid accusations about him. He was, rightfully, angered (if he’s clean anyway, which I’d be willing to bet he is). While work ethic is often overvalued by media, players, organizations, etc., in my view, Raul worked his butt off to go from a bit of an afterthought to a solid hitter. Having finally signed a big deal for a winning franchise, and riding a huge hot streak, it’s got to feel pretty damn good to have that effort validated. Even though Raul clearly didn’t have his facts straight, baseball is his job and his life, and I can clearly understand why he is angry.
Raul could have reacted better. He’s taken issue with bloggers before, and he definitely doesn’t buy into what a lot of bloggers do (using defensive metrics). However, his remark about the “42 year old living in his mother’s basement” is nonfactual and immature. Not to mention, comments like this are a kick in the gut to bloggers who spend their free time producing relevant and useful analysis because they love the game more than the average guy.
John Rodriguez is a complete and total douche.
by Fuckmikereilly on Jun 10, 2009 11:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The kind of annoying thing is that Raul has reacted at bloggers before, but in a way which showed he was aware what was being said about him
and tried to respond like a reasonable person would, e.g. about his defensive shortcomings. This just seems completely out of place, especially given that the guy never actually accused him of taking steroids.
by seattlebruin on Jun 11, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, now I'm upset...
Ultimately this is one guy with a small audience stating pretty much common sense — when a guy who’s at the age where performance generally trends downward suddenly has a spike in performance, it’s our gut-level reaction as MLB fans to speculate if PEDs are involved. That’s the entire summary of the guy’s blog entry. His conclusion after skimming some other possible factors is that it “would be foolish to dismiss the possibility.” It’s not like this was posted at Daily KOS or USSM or SOSH or some other big-time, high-traffic independent blog. That it was elevated to the level it was is completely the fault of the MSM, and it reeks of bullying to me. THAT’s what pisses me off…
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Jun 11, 2009 10:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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