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15-13, Quick Notes

We let this happen. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel)

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We let this happen. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel)

It took us 26 days to assemble a three and a half game lead and five days to give it away. In consecutive games we've managed nine hits, 14 baserunners, and two runs against Vicente Padilla and Sidney Ponson, two unquestionably terrible starting pitchers, pitchers with a combined 5.60 tRA over their last 193 starts. Today we saw Carlos Silva get pulled after three innings while Ponson departed to a standing ovation. Try as I might to remain optimistic about where we stand a month into the season, this felt so much like last year that my calendar flipped backwards. I don't own a calendar. That doesn't even make sense.

Mark Lowe said a few weeks ago that even when the team's losing, the bullpen isn't the least bit concerned, because they know the offense will be able to come back. Funny thing about that. This team has gone from exuberant to troubled seemingly overnight, and now I suppose we get to see just how resilient this clubhouse really is, because this skid has only felt all too familiar. Yeah, it's only three games. But it's three games that've revealed a whole lot of flaws. If the Mariners want to stay in the hunt, they need to shape up now, because otherwise this whole thing could get away from them in a hurry.

  • With eight hits and six runs in three innings, Silva almost certainly pitched himself out of the rotation. Up next for him will either be a role in the bullpen to work on some things or a stint on the DL to let him clear his head. To be fair to him, though, he wasn't terrible today- he kept nine of 16 balls on the ground, missed a couple bats, and threw more changeups than he has in other starts. That said, he simply doesn't have much of a prayer against a lineup that's 5/9ths left-handed, and while the Royals grounded a few singles that a better shortstop would've picked up, they also hit enough balls hard to earn their runs. Just because it wasn't the worst Silva's ever looked doesn't mean it wasn't lousy.

    So now we'll probably get to see what this rotation looks like without Silva in the middle of it. Nobody wanted it to get this bad when we signed him, but at this point I think we can all agree that a demotion is in everyone's best interests. Silva needs some time to think things through and regain his self-confidence, and the team needs someone who can keep the game close. Be it Vargas, Olson, RRS when he's healthy, or even Batista, the team could use an alternative, and they have themselves enough options.

    What lies ahead for Silva? I'm not really sure. He could go on the DL for a while, or he could turn into a long reliever, but he's far too expensive for the team to just release, and what I imagine will happen is that he'll get another crack at starting down the road once everyone's pleased with his psychological progress. And honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if we saw him go all Jeff Weaver when he comes back. As a pitch-to-contact guy, he's not a real asset, but he's not this bad - not in terms of his true talent - and he's capable of putting together the same kind of run. It's just a matter of getting him to believe he can do it, and a little time off couldn't possibly hurt. We'll see. In the meantime, I'm looking forward to watching somebody else.

  • For years, people have been wondering what would happen if the Mariners got to play against Willie Ballgame, or Miguel Olivo, or Horacio Ramirez, or a whole team full of Mariner cast-offs. Now we have our answer. The Mariners would get the shit kicked out of them.

  • Garrett Olson made his 2009 Mariner debut today in relief of Carlos Silva, and the immediate results were holy-God awful; in his first inning of work, he allowed five hits, one walk, and required an outfield assist to register one of the outs. After that, though, he was able to settle down and put together a half-decent performance. In all, he only threw 60% strikes, but he did manage to miss eight bats and get his fastball up to 91 despite his relief appearance being more like a start. It's something. Though you don't want to read too much into someone's mop-up statistics, the thing that really stood out was the success of Olson's slurve. Of the 20 he threw, 18 were strikes and five missed bats. Six were put in play and five stayed on the ground. The slurve has always been Olson's best pitch, and today we got to see it in action. He's not that much of a value right now, but throw in a 5-10% command improvement and we've got a decent starting pitcher on our hands. 

  • I am ashamed of this offense. Just ashamed. I know a lot of people expected the offense to struggle this year, but it isn't struggling because the defense-first outfielders didn't come with useful bats; it's struggling because none of Jose Lopez, Adrian Beltre, Ken Griffey Jr., and to a lesser extent Ichiro are hitting like they're supposed to. We can talk about swapping bats all we want - and Dave's right, we could really use another lefty or two - but we need the guys we have to start stinging the ball more than once every other game. Ichiro looked all kinds of awful today, and both Beltre and Yuni should probably get a day or three off. Call up Clement yesterday.

Washburn and Bannister tomorrow morning. Come on, you idiots. Padilla, Ponson, and Bannister? It doesn't get much easier than this. You're pathetic.

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Lies survive by the truths they contain…

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by PositivePaul on May 7, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what's even MORE hilarious???

It took Baker, what, 3-4 hours to basically plagiarize the article…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on May 7, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In fairness to Baker,

while his article sucks, he’s also gotten to know Silva quite well over the past several years – it sucks to watch a guy you’ve gotten to know well fail so utterly. I don’t really begrudge him his lament for Silva. DMZ is right to rip apart writing like that, but it’s easier to think and write clearly when you don’t know the man in question. I hate Carlos Silva more than any player in baseball right now (except Yuni), but if it were my job to be friendly with him, I seriously doubt I would feel the same way.

by Decatur on May 7, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I don't know if anyone has noticed

but it’s batshit crazy that Guiterrez is hitting 8th.

Jose Lopez fucking sucks

by JI on May 7, 2009 12:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Our offense is all kinds of sad right now

Adrian Beltre is putting on his best Jose Vidro impersonation, Griffey’s got the two home runs and not a hell of a lot else. And for the most part, they’re about as patient as a gunshot wound victim in an emergency room waiting area. Aside from Branyan, we’ve got virtually nothing from the left-hand side. We’re currently near the bottom of the majors in offense, and that appears quite fair.

If Griffey and Beltre (our 3 and 5 hitters when righties start) can’t put it together, it’s going to be a long five more months.

by Gihyou on May 7, 2009 12:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Beltre is interesting.

He has not been that unlucky, with a 13% LD and .242 BABIP. He has just simply been bad (.204 wOBA). Compare that to Griffey – 18% LD and .224 BABIP, along with a .319 wOBA despite the bad luck and he still looks like at least an average productive player assuming the bad luck ends.

But I don’t think anyone has collapsed as bad as Beltre is without either injury or something mental, like Matthew’s post suggested. I would argue that Beltre is doing his best Silva impression, with something mentally getting in his way from being productive. But I don’t know what we’d do about it.

...and now I'm here

by Librocrat on May 7, 2009 3:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've really been surprised that Beltre has been this bad.

I don’t expect anything anymore when he comes up with anyone on base.

ignacio

by ignacio on May 7, 2009 2:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We need to stop batting Chavez 2nd, and Johnson 7th (when he plays)

And I’m glad somebody said something about Ichiro. Although the game was pretty much over at 8-0, his 3-1 swing/decision with the bases loaded and one out made me sick.

That pitch was so clearly a ball that I think everyone on the team except for Yuni would have let it go by, and that is saying something.

It was a ball that no big league hitter could do much with and to swing at it in a hitter’s count, when your team needs baserunners pissed me off to a great extent. Why can’t you just take the god damn walk Ichiro????

by Rudy4three on May 7, 2009 5:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's unacceptable there

Completely and totally unacceptable. He knew it was a ball and he knew the count, and he decides to gamble away a guaranteed run for… what, exactly? A single?

Any other time, sure. I trust him. But that was complete bullshit.

by Graham on May 7, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems like he'll always swing 3-1

probably assumes he’ll get a good pitch to hit. What’s ridiculous about it is that he’s got such amazing bat control that I can’t imagine there is much difference between 3-1 vs 3-2. He’s maybe 5% less likely to get a hit on 3-2 but when you factor in the chance of him walking on 3-1 it has to be well worth it to just take.

But I’m not sure I totally blame Ichiro – he’s been doing this his entire career. I just don’t understand why the coaching staff can’t just give him the dang take sign.

by Zack on May 7, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The result sucked, but I don't have a problem with the approach.

He assumes he’s getting a meaty fastball there and likely decides beforehand he was swinging at that pitch. Down eight runs with the offence in a malaise and the most talented hitter on the team, I’m ok with that.

by waldo rojas on May 7, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a 3-1 count with the bases loaded

Ichiro should be smart enough to realise that a 33% chance of getting a hit is much less useful than a 100% chance of drawing a walk.

by Graham on May 7, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carlos Silva & his huge, ridiculous contract

are a sunk cost.

The Mariners should just do whatever they would do if they were only paying him the league minimum. It is the only rational course of action.

by skijake1 on May 7, 2009 10:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Woohoo!

My hope is that Wak is slow to make decisions, but has seen enough… and that Cedeno getting the nod and Silva hitting the mental health DL will be long term changes. And frankly, that’s what a manager should do. If he went around benching and promoting people as often as we’d like, he’d be a terrible manager.

by johnbai on May 7, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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