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The 5/6 OT: A New Hope

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Because it seems you have a lot of pent-up OTness and the old one takes a while to load up.  A few well-thought out items for discussion:

What vegetables/fruit will you buy out-of-season because you love them so?

Pro sports team whose fans you feel the most pity for?

Band or artist you dislike that everyone else loves?

A word that makes you instantly hate the person who wrote/said it?

Most objectionable uniforms currently used by a pro team?

Items not to be discussed:

French Fry etiquette

mlbtv.com

Colon health

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Mines:

1. I bought nectarines last week. It was a bad idea and I paid the price.
2. Orioles. I mean, what’s the point? Plus you live in Baltimore.
3. I always hated Poison, even when they were cool.
4. Inchoate
5. OKC, not just because of the circumstances, but this is what all the litigation, money and ill will was for for? The Thunder? Really?

by waldo rojas on May 6, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

OK:

1: Berries (raspberries or blueberries… it’s quite awesome to straight up bake a fruit pie in January)
2: Texas Rangers, St. Mirren FC (wooo) or really anyone outside of the old firm in Scotland, Detroit Lions
3: Radiohead. TV on the Radio.
4: Irregardless (not a word, but it’s useful – the speaker instantly identifies him/herself as an ass)
5: Palermo. I ain’t down with pink sports uniforms.

by marc w on May 6, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't think I've ever seen a dictionary definition of something

where it specifically tells you to not use the word. That’s funny

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Widespread mis-use, I'd say

I’ve even caught myself saying it from time to time just from being around tons of people that used it commonly while selling cars. I always get mad at myself when I let it slip, and go out of my way to correct myself

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

It reminds me of Futurama, so I approve.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

That one drives me nuts

Another one I come across from every one of my fellow office workers here is “imput” (instead of input)

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh, my dad says "acrossed" and "peninshula" in stead of "peninsula"

And my mom pronounces “pamphlet” as “pam-plit”.

Argh.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 6, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Angels' "A" logo - it has devil horns growing out of it beneath the halo.

Not just because they’re the Angels, but from a design and symbolism point of view. Are they trying to convey that these are fallen angels whom God has cast down from heaven?

by Decatur on May 6, 2009 9:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Questions!

What vegetables/fruit will you buy out-of-season because you love them so?
I’d say nectarines or strawberries, but the truth is I almost always load up on them in season and don’t think about it otherwise.

Pro sports team whose fans you feel the most pity for?
A friend of mine recently overheard a joke he recounted to me, paraphrase “You’ve got to feel bad for the baseball fans in Pittsburgh. I mean, their team is the Indians!”

Band or artist you dislike that everyone else loves?
I can’t stand The Arcade Fire. I don’t know if it’s a reaction to their hype or just the fact that I view them as everything else in that scene watered down and forced to write ditties about the loss of childhood without being particularly clever about it.

A word that makes you instantly hate the person who wrote/said it?
I’m going to be a writer on this one and say “limpid”. I don’t think it’s a good word for what it means and I’d suggest that people who use it probably don’t know how to make things sound and are just rifling through thesauri. I’d cite other academic terms that one doesn’t encounter elsewhere, like “solipsism”, but those have their place, they’re just abused egregiously to make things sound thoughtful. There are plenty of words I’d lump into that category as dick moves in authorship. I’ll post more if they come to me.

Most objectionable uniforms currently used by a pro team?
Nngh… gonna go with the OKC Thunder for its connotations more than the actual uniform.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 9:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Good call on the Arcade Fire

Seriously, that girl cannot sing. At all. Any notes. And the band+win are just ok.

Solipsism isn’t too bad, and solipsistic is incredibly useful.

by marc w on May 6, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, it's not a bad word.

I used it in my last essay, and it was the right word to use in that situation, but I was doing a criticism paper once where I was reading analyses of The Stranger and Lolita and I couldn’t get through two paragraphs without tripping over some variation of it.

re: The Arcade Fire

I can come up with a better band that everyone adores that I really do not, but I have the feeling it would provoke an all-out flame war, as it’s akin to taking a shot at a religious prophet.

Still, really quite tempted to…

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I knew you'd get it.

Beatles are overrated, came late to the party on everything, and didn’t really do anything original until the ends of their careers. Their myth is a marvel of modern marketing.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm no Beatles apologist/huge fan, but

didn’t really do anything original until the ends of their careers

Really?

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Beatlles were many things but they were in no way original.

Which whatever because originality in music is generally overrated.

by Aaron Campeau on May 6, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

I’m on record saying as such.

What impresses me about the Beatles is they put out something like 20 years worth of quality music in a 9 year timespan.

by JI on May 6, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

They were definitely prodigious, I'll give you that.

A lot of things about the Beatles impress the hell out of me but their songs themselves (aside from Meet the Beatles which I still like) aren’t on that list.

by Aaron Campeau on May 6, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm

I’m not that into their pre-Help catalouge so take this for it’s worth, but I will grant their best albums are definitely more than the sum of their parts.

by JI on May 6, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I side with Piero Scaruffi.

The dude did his homework on this one. I don’t always agree with him on everything, but I know his biases and the level of scholarship he’s done is nothing short of insane.

Scaruffi on The Beatles

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeeeeeessssssss

They wrote some great hooks, I’ll give ‘em that. But it’s impossible now to untangle the band from the Global Phenomenon™!!! and two generations of hagiography.

by marc w on May 6, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which band?

If I can’t stand by and watch a huge argument about french fry ordering etiqutte then I want to at least be able to marvel at an argument about a band I probably have completely neutral feelings about

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I prefer mine deep fat fried in blubber taken from freshly clubbed baby seals.

And lightly sprinkled in salt distilled from tears milked from newborn babies.

by Kermit. on May 6, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now I want some French Fries

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

You get the babies, I'll get the seals!

Nannies are always bitchin’ at me, I’m tired of it plus I don’t speak Russian.

by Kermit. on May 6, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

Is spinach ever out of season? I never stop eating it.

Cubs fans, the real ones. Not the ones who started coming out in droves after 1998.

If I do not like the band then not everyone loves them.

Nothing can make me instantly hate anyone just because of using a word. However, the use of the phrase, “Yuniesky Betancourt is a great defensive shortstop” has been known to extract a string of expletives from me.

Indians logo, duh.

by Sec 108 on May 6, 2009 9:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Indeed.

I’m still trying to figure out how savory came to mean what it has meant recently.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

It seems like it's used mainly for foods that are traditionally sweet

and have been made in an unsweet fashion, as is the current trend (lavender and salt ice cream)

by waldo rojas on May 6, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still, the word doesn't lead anywhere.

You think savour, you think something you want to really draw out to prolong the enjoyment of.

It seems like we could have come up with a better term for it. Call it “umami” for all I care, not that I see that specifically gaining a lot of traction.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

In my case, it was reflex.

My aunt snapped at me over Thanksgiving because I said “curriculums” instead of “curricula”, so I get pretty cautious about Latin roots.

Actually, in retrospect, that was kind of cool.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

My cousin was a latin major.

in addition to visual arts and creative writing.

My aunt’s kind of an outlier in that she’s all into the high cultural thing while her brothers reject the very notion. It’s funny because in my generation, it’s flipped, with the majority of us being into the arts and my two half-brothers being more into the technical, mechanical things.

I’d give anecdotes, but I’m veering into LL LJ territory.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

My aunt is crack whore.

Just kidding.

Not really though. :(

by johnbai on May 6, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Especially when misspelled! I blame it on Torii Hunter, as I do most things.

But yeah. There’s obviously nothing wrong with thesauri, stadia, etc., but there’s also nothing wrong with thesauruses, stadiums, etc. Using the modern spellings isn’t “wrong” unless you’re strictly adhering to Latin standards, which American English pretty much doesn’t.

Now whether you accept “data” and “media” as singular nouns, that’s a different argument that will probably carry on for many more years.

by Teej on May 6, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Answers? Sure.

1.) Asparagus. Can’t not buy asparagus.
2.) I feel the most pity for the several fans of the LA Clippers. Not only will they never actually experience any success but the few times that the Clippers make the playoffs, so many douchebag LA fair-weather fans will drown them out that their fanhood will look silly. They can’t win.
3.) I can’t stand Arcade Fire, either.
4.) I am constantly disappointed in anyone that abuses corporate buzzwords.
5.)

by abender20 on May 6, 2009 9:54 AM PDT reply actions  

I cuss, you cuss, we all cuss for asparagus.

Corporate buzzwords also drive me mad.

The last place I worked, the higher-ups always were always referring abstractly to “the product”.

Our product was “pizza”. Get over yourselves.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Think outside of the [pizza] box.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Same here.

I miss Pagliacci. I know New York is supposed to be the Mecca of pizza making and all, but I haven’t been all that impressed yet. Maybe it’s because I don’t get out to Brooklyn all that much.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

All corporate buzzwords have an original and proper context for their usage.

They get out of hand when used to show affiliation with the corporate tribe. This isn’t to say that working for a large company is evil. It’s just obnoxious to try to use that as a status symbol.

by abender20 on May 6, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Answers:

1. Strawberries, pears.
2. I feel for no other team.
3. I mentioned this the other day, but I really don’t like Stevie Wonder, and Michael Jackson.
4. “guesstimate”
5. Oregon Ducks

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 6, 2009 9:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Answers ahoy!

1. Asparagus.
2. None. Sports fans know what they’re getting into when they start being a fan, and true fans are fans no matter what happens to their team, and can thus live with the bargain they make by becoming a fan.
3. The Decemberists. The Pixies. The Smiths.
4. Performant.
5. Seconding Palermo above.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

I think you need to give the Decemberists' new album a listen.

I HATED them before – I always felt that they sounded just as snobbish and shitty as the Arcade Fire until I heard a new track on KEXP. Holy shit – they have changed their sound. I couldn’t believe I was in line to buy it.

Illegible

by kevin_ess on May 6, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have done this and I am still not impressed

a large part of it is because i detest the sound of Colin Meloy’s voice, but they also violate my Precious Rule – they’re too precious by half for me to ever take them seriously. Affectation bothers me.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can buy The Decembrists.

I liked it when Pitchfork tried to passionately argue that they were nothing at all like Neutral Milk Hotel.

While we’re taking potshots at sacred cows, Pitchfork can also suck it.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think I underestimate the community here sometimes.

Which is a shame because every time I’ve gone off on one of these everyone has proven to be pretty reasonable and thoughtful about it.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who in this world thinks of Pitchfork as a sacred cow?

It’s a unifying force in that everyone claims to hate it, even as they trample each other to get ‘Clap Your Hands, Say Yeah’ or whatever. Fascinating, sure, but who – even amongst its staff – would seriously get offended by criticism of pitchfork?

by marc w on May 6, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not cool enough to like Pitchfork

They represent everything I hate about music culture. The whole exclusionary “you don’t understand it, therefore it’s awesome and you suck so go listen to the Foo Fighters” attitude of a lot of their reviewers is really irritating.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's part of what irritates me about them.

There are some rare instances when I’ve seen the reviewer really break out and put together something thoughtful, but their quality control can be astonishingly bad. I don’t ask that every article be written with a strong familiarity of the artist’s work, but I’ve seen some albums get horribly dismissive responses that just read like the author was bringing personal bullshit into the workplace.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just want a review to give me some modicum of idea as to whether the music has merit or not

A lot of their reviews are just writers writing oblique, circular things that only tenuously relate to the music being reviewed so that the writer sounds cool, which is great if you’re trying to get laid by the lit major you’re sitting next to as you write but for those of us who look to music criticism as a way to evaluate music it’s incredibly annoying.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Writing about music

necessarily lacks fundamental objectivity. Never trust a publication to give you a good review. But you can learn to trust particular writers to have similar taste to you.

by johnbai on May 6, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not looking for objectivity though

In a 1000-word music review, I’d like the music to be mentioned more than three times, though.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which rarely happens.

Most of the time it’s just an extended wankfest about how much it reminds them of x in their childhood, or something like that. Or this.

I’m not obsessive about innovation, some people do fairly derivative things quite well, but some perspective on it all is pretty nice.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

It could just be a product of the environment I'm in.

I have a friend whom I may or may not be in a band with whose list of favorite bands is Pitchfork-approved and who proudly displays their book of the best songs/acts/whatever on his coffee table. He drinks PBR too, although he’s one of the most unlikely hipsters I’ve met.

Around the college campus, Pitchfork still has some serious clout, their presence is unavoidable. I tried to get into a discussion of whether Sufjan Stevens’ work had merit with a classmate recently (I think it sounds like the soundtrack to a Peanuts movie licensed out to a manic depressive), and he brought in Pitchfork and that pretty much ended it for me.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm undecided about Sufjan Stevens

but I’d love to hear the soundtrack to a Peanuts movie licensed out to a manic depressive. That sounds awesome!

by johnbai on May 6, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like some Sufjan, but I will always hear a depressive-Peanuts soundtrack

whenever I hear him now.

Probably my favorite Sufjan song, “That was the Worst Christmas Ever,” would probably be even better if it had a video featuring depressed Peanuts characters.

by marc w on May 6, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good one on performant, seems to be the buzzy little word these days.

Where did that come from anyway, I’m guessing it was used in a commercial?

by Kermit. on May 6, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some answers

1. I don’t really eat fruits/vegetables (no wonder I’m in awful health), but satsumas
2. 99% of LA sports fans (includes Raiders fans). Talk about true idiots.
3. Not musically literate enough to answer this
4. eh
5. usc

by seattlebruin on May 6, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions  

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Oranges
Orioles
Cat Power
Addicting
Angels but the Rangers are getting there.

by Aaron Campeau on May 6, 2009 10:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Addicting is another good one.

Cat Power, I can buy, although I do like/respect her. I think in retrospect, I like some stuff in the middle part of her career, I think there are some standouts on What Would the Community Think?, Moon Pix, and You Are Free. The early stuff and the recent stuff, for entirely different reasons, just doesn’t engage me though, and even on the albums I like, I think there’s quite a bit of filler.

Her guest spot on that Handsome Boy Modeling School album was pretty awesome though…

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

As was Father Guido Sarducci

“Beauty is in the eye… of the tiger.”

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

All those poor fans having to put up with Peter Angelos

I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ

by Fuzz on May 6, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

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1) Granny Smith apples
2) Supersonics
3) Led Zeppelin & Pink Floyd
4) Root Cause
5) San Diego Chargers

by Jed MC on May 6, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions  

I feel you on Led Zeppelin.

I can’t stand Robert Plant’s voice, Jimmy Page’s reckless, derivative playing, or John Bonham’s squeaky bass pedal. He was a helluva player, though.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 6, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think LZ is one of the most surpremely talent rock acts ever

I just get tired of hearing about Robert Plant’s dick after a while.

by JI on May 6, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Jimmy Page is very talented at all.

Sure he can move his fingers, but he’s never had an original thought in his brain.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 6, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think they are good musicians, but

Plant’s voice drives me nuts, I’ve heard their songs way too many times, and they spawned an era of terrible rock & roll.

by Jed MC on May 6, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was talking baout his guitar playing

He deserves all the criticism in the world for outright ripping songs off and taking credit

by JI on May 6, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Led Zeppelin are right at the top

of my list of “bands I respect a lot more than I like”.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel you on this one JI

Led Zeppelin and Elvis have special seats in Hell for ripping off the blues community, making millions and never giving credit/money to the originators.

by johnbai on May 6, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because it's a massive misrepresentation of what actually happened.

Folk, blues and early rock music were all based almost entirely on standards and reinventions of story songs. Most of the songs Elvis is accused of “ripping off” had been around in one form or another for at least thirty years before he recorded his first single. And to say that Elvis never gave credit to the artists that inspired him is just a flat out untruth; he was a champion for Delta blues and outspoken in his love for the innovators of the styles from which he borrowed.

Zeppelin is a different sort of beast because they wrote new lyrics and slightly rearranged the songs and claimed them as original creations, but that’s not really different from what most rock bands of the era did.

I share your frustration that so many tremendous musicians never get the credit (artistically and creatively) that they so deserved, but your problem should be with American society of the 1950s and 60s. Hating Elvis (and probably Led Zeppelin, though to a lesser extent and I don’t really care because I don’t like them) is scapegoating.

by Aaron Campeau on May 6, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Accusing me of "scapegoating"

is much more agreeable than calling my comment “complete and total bullshit.” :)

I’m sure Elvis and Page/Plant all loved the blues and may have even been outspoken in their support. And perhaps from their mansions they occasionally did something to support the blues community… but mostly those old guys died penniless and never sniffed a royalty check for the songs they wrote that made other (whiter) people rich.

by johnbai on May 6, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

So you hate hip-hop artists that used samples from funk and soul songs by bands no one had ever heard of to get rich as well?

Because to me that’s far worse than what Elvis or any other artist of his era did.

I’m sorry if I offended you by my characterization, but I think that accusing musicians of being thieves worthy of a special place in hell for doing the exact same thing their predecessors (black and white, rich and poor) had been doing for generations is absurdly unfair. If you want to indict the music industry, racism in mainstream America and inequality in general I will be right there with you, but this particular line of argument is way, way, way off base.

by Aaron Campeau on May 6, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just sad whitey with the boot on their necks never gets credit for inspiring all that music.

Imagine all the music we’d have missed out on without the railroads, plantations, and coal mines. Bloooooows my mind.

by Kermit. on May 6, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was Page ripping off someone else?

I mean, I’ve listened to some of the original blues songs and heard the note for note copying being done on the first few Led Zeppelin releases. Are you talking about him ripping someone else off?

by johnbai on May 6, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm flattered that you think so

but I had no idea Page was ripping off Bert Jansch. I’m not nearly so much a “folk guy” as I sometimes pretend I am.

by johnbai on May 6, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

You guys seem really bothered by the phrase "special place in hell"

which I find hillarious, because it’s a pretty meaningless phrase to me. I don’t mean anything metaphysical by that. If I were God I would not condemn them to eternal torment.

But since I don’t believe in God, heaven or hell… I really just meant, I can’t listen to those guys without feeling an irritated sense of dislike.

by johnbai on May 6, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Torturing myself until 11:00 am

caller: “they need a bat, and whether that means packaging Washburn and Beltre to get one …”

by msb on May 6, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Heh heh.

caller: “We got to bring WIllie back, we got rid of him, like we got rid of Amaral”

by msb on May 6, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why is this talking about married couples?

I clicked the link on USSM to KIRO radio, and it’s a marriage conselor on the Dave Ross show – and on 770 am is Rush Limbaugh. Where’s Dave?

by Decatur on May 6, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

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Tom Morello. Certain artists more than bands bug me, he’s my usual suspect. Maybe if he had more foot pedals, or used the whammy bar a bit more. I doubt it.
Performant was pretty good. Also, moist.
Yuniesky Betancourt in an M’s uniform. Bad bad bad bad bad

by Kermit. on May 6, 2009 10:32 AM PDT reply actions  

He has some kind of talent, for sure

But I can’t listen to Audislave because of him. He completely ruins whatever there may have been there for me to like

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I almost wonder if he worked it into his contract with the group or something

The “Tom Morello gets to randomly freestyle a solo in every single song, regardless of whether Tom wants it to match the rest of the song or not” clause

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Totally

I thought one of the reasons Audioslave broke up was because after the first album, Cornell was writing most the songs but still had to split the credit four ways.

by JI on May 6, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't surprise me at all

Tom Morello strikes me as somebody with a huge ego, although I’ve never heard him speak or anything. I get that impression simply because of how he takes over and ruins every song he has performed in since the RATM days (I say since RATM because they only knew how to play one song and somehow stretched that over several albums worth of content)

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kudos to you, sir.

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by JY on May 6, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Although I wish there was a way to type with a raspy shout. Your comment is even better when read in De La Roca’s voice

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would be awesomer in De La Soul's voice

Q-Tip has one of the best voices ever.

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not that Q-Tip was ever in De La Soul

but it had to be mentioned.

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I saw De La Soul live at a Summer nights at the pier concert many years ago

De La Soul, Cake, and The Flaming Lips. Awesome live show, expecially considering that I’m not really a fan of Flaming Lips at all. Fun live, though

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

De La Soul are a whole lot of fun.

I’m not a Flaming Lips fan either.

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tribe and De La,

Poor Righteous Teachers, Pete Rock and CL Smooth, EPMD, 3rd Base (for a bit). Man – I miss the olden days!

Illegible

by kevin_ess on May 6, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Remember Black Box? Everybody everybody set me freeeeeeee

Had the super hot chick dancing in the video, turned out the singer was one of the Weather Girls or something and she wasn’t credited?

by Kermit. on May 6, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get out of my head! I was looking at them as well.

And Technotronix, whenever a band with one tune is mentioned I think of them. They had that one beat, it was like Chumbawumba over and over again.

by Kermit. on May 7, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was at that show

and I’ve argued this before… but De La Soul pissed me off at this show. The whole time they were saying stuff like Seattle doesn’t know hip-hop. But now we’ve been educated. Seattle doesn’t know funk… but now that we’ve heard them rip off the baseline to flashlight, apparently we do!

by johnbai on May 6, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

De La Soul

is at Bumbershoot this year!

Current listening enjoyments: Grizzly Bear, Andrew Bird, Parenthetical Girls

by Woodinville_12thMan on May 6, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're not Graham.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 6, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

PLEASE CONSIDER JOINING MY SUPPORT GROUP

I AM INTERESTED IN MEETING OTHER LOCAL PEOPLE THAT SHARE A LACK OF ABILITY TO MODULATE TONE AND VOLUME IN THEIR DISCOURSE. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE SUPPORT EACH OTHER THROUGH THIS DIFFICULT MALADY.

by johnbai on May 6, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

UPPERCASE IS NOT SHOUTING.

THIS IS A MYTH PERPETUATED BY HOUSEWIVES AND SEX OFFENDERS.

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by JY on May 6, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

YES

THANK YOU FOR HELPING DISCREDIT THAT COMMON MYTH. IT IS VERY HEARTENING TO SEE OTHERS SUPPORTING OUR CAUSE.

by johnbai on May 6, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lists.

How spoiled are we as a society when I can’t even think of when things go in and out of season — they’re always on the shelf, right?

Detroit Lions— when your recent high point was playing George Plimpton…

Band/singer? If I heard them, I could tell you that I hated them.

Not a word, but the phrase “if I put a gun to your head, and you had to choose”

I think I have to go with the 125,350 Oregon variants

by msb on May 6, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't know if it's any word inparticular,

but anyone who uses popular movie phrases as their sole or most prominent source of comedy (see: Napoleon Dynamite, Anchorman, etc.) really gets on my nerves. At least then I know who are the completely unoriginal assholes that I meet.

Band/Singer: The one that comes to mind first is U2, but also I could never really get into Bob Dylan or Sublime either. There are a ton more but those are the ones I can think of.

by Zwakamatsu on May 6, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

That would be the reason I don't really "get" Family Guy most of the time.

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by JY on May 6, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I get 99% of it

but I find 95% of that 99% to be incredibly lazy because all it is is regurgitated pop culture moments.

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

That would be what I was referring to.

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by JY on May 6, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like that time when...

And like that time when… Or like that time when…

God I dislike that show so much

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

There are other itmes when I just can't tell what they're trying to get at.

There was one instance I remember where Peter had finished buying, I think it was volcano insurance from that recurring sleazy guy, and then in the next scene, aforementioned sleazy guy was walking into the backdoor of a tattoo parlor he also supposedly owned and had this conversation with a biker.

Sleaze: Okay, so you wanted Kermit the Frog?
Biker: I want a skull.
Sleaze: Okay, well I’m just going to draw Kermit the Frog…

To this day, I can’t imagine any possible context for that minute or two. It just baffles me.

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by JY on May 6, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's because you didn't get stoned with the writers the night before

there’s a lot of things in FG that seem like in jokes; once in a while it’s fine but after a while you just wonder why they bother airing the show instead of just showing it to each other.

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with some level of that.

People have told me that Space Ghost Coast to Coast… actually, most of the adult swim block is like that and I still manage to like a good bunch of it. Or rather, I used to, with Birdman, Sealab, and early Aquateen and lost all interest roughly the second Tom Goes to the Mayor went on air.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't be talking shit about Tom Goes to the Mayor

That show was excellent

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Half an hour of people looking dumb and staring at the camera.

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by JY on May 6, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could do without the meta-parody though.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

TGttM made me laugh, so that's all I care about.

The style of the “animation” in the show was a large part of that, though.

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some of the lineups they ran out were incredible.

Michael Stipe, Lassie, and Sirajul and Mujibar.
Moby, Emo Phillips, and Shirley Manson
Bob Costas and Al Roker
Björk and Thom Yorke

The Stipe episode in particular gave me the opportunity to shout at people “We exist in a boundless time continuum. There is no weekend!”

It veered into the territory of making the interviewee as uncomfortable as possible, but it yielded quality returns:

Space Ghost: Mmmm. (finally finishes invisoing in) (sighs) Ah, there we are. Denis, are you a leprechaun?
Denis Leary: No, there’s no such thing as leprechauns. (sips water)
Space Ghost: Oh, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say.
Denis Leary: Mm hm.
Space Ghost: (looks at his card) Okay then… well, that’s all I got. We done here?

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by JY on May 6, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yes.

Space Ghost: Moltar, what’s our depth?
Moltar: (reading a book) Twenty thousand leagues, sir.
Space Ghost: Take her to twenty-one.
Moltar: Twenty-one?! But, why?
Space Ghost: Because it’s more fantastical.

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by JY on May 6, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a friend who's intelligence I respect

who still thinks Family Guy is funny because a lot of those WTF moments are the show going meta and making fun of itself. I totally disagree and think it’s the same fucking joke over and over again, but hey that’s one possible explanation.

by JI on May 6, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Family Guy can be enjoyable in small doses

But everytime I start to laugh I get reminded of the SP episode and have to change the channel

by Robert on May 6, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have a friend like that.

She may have forgotten more about poetic forms than I’ve already learned (and I know a lot more than most people), but she’s obsessed with Family Guy and vapid dance music. I don’t quite get it, but everybody has their own sense of things, I guess.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

The worst part is, it ruins the comedy for me.

My friends and I found Ali G in 2004 and absolutely loved it. As soon as Borat hit the theatres, all the magic was gone as every asshole with 7.50 in his pocket was walking around going " I liiiiiiiike" and “High five!”.

by abender20 on May 6, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

The two movies I hate to see quoted the most

Borat (really? That’s the best you can do?)
Napoleon Dynamite (and I like the movie!)

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Never saw Borat and have no plans to.

Napoleon Dynamite I enjoyed well enough but don’t remember most of the dialogue. I probably wouldn’t notice if someone was quoting it.

♥

by royalcurve on May 6, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it?

It appears to be one of those movies where some funny guy and the audience are all “in on it”, and a bunch of poor, unsuspecting boobs get made fun of, to their faces, without them knowing it, endlessly.

I could be wrong. But that sort of stuff makes me uncomfortable, that’s why I can’t watch most reality television.

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by royalcurve on May 6, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

THat's exactly what it is

I saw it in the theater, and I was on the verge of leaving a few times. There’s only so much “hey let’s laugh at the rubes who don’t know what’s going on” that I can take, before I go “wow, you’re just a douchebag”.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree about them deserving it though

It’s well known that people can be and are douchebags. Why does that need to be illustrated? Just so people who don’t think they’re douchebags can laugh at people they perceive to be beneath them? I tend to find smug superiority as douchey as anything Borat mocked in that movie.

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a member of society as a whole though

I find limited value in the verbal equivalent of dumping a can of soup over someone’s head and then laughing at them because they look stupid. But that’s just me.

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

to what end, though?

It’s not like something like that would make them change their behavior or re-evaluate their life choices. So why waste your energy when you could be using it for something positive, like making records or playing shows or something?

But kudos for using “bet your sweet bippy”.

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because sometimes other people need to see what assholes they are capable of being to change

and because watching people have fools made of them when they deserve it is entertaining.

by Aaron Campeau on May 6, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t think it was the greatest movie in the world, but it’s not like they didn’t having it coming.

by JI on May 6, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you on point A but not so much on point B

but again, that’s just me.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I haven't seen it

and part of the reason is that it seems to be getting close to shucking and jiving to mock the poor. (Baron-Cohen attended a string of fancy boarding schools and then studied at Cambridge before he decided to portray a dumb-ass inner-city kid).

There is so much rich, comedy gold to be mined by simply letting the rubes talk, or letting the prejudiced dig their own graves, but there’s something much, much safer and off-putting in the way he does it.

by marc w on May 6, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

It seems to be getting close to shucking and jiving to mock the poor.

Not true.

It’s totally unfair to criticize the picture without seeing it.

by JI on May 6, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Borat?

Not in the movie I saw, it wasn’t. I never saw the BBC show, so maybe that was different, but the Borat movie was all about making unsuspecting people look like idiots, which is not very entertaining.

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which is fair enough

But he wasn’t specifically targeting poor people

by JI on May 6, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, that's true

he goes after poor and rich alike.

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

It sucks because I saw Naoleon Dynamite, and had it not been for all the fuckers

saying every quote from that move every second, I think I would have laughed a lot.

by Zwakamatsu on May 6, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think either of those movies are particularly funny

so yeah

Big Lebowski is pretty quotable, but don’t overdo it

by JI on May 6, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

The nice thing about Lebowski is that for some reason there are tons of people who haven't seen it

If somebody clever slips in a quote from Lebowski I instantly like that person

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Woo!

I buy whatever looks good at the store. I don’t know what’s in season.

Pittsburgh Pirates, I guess. Though the older ones have good days to reminisce about.

Immortal Technique. Respect the talent, but can’t get into the music at all.

“comprised of,” though “(anything except Water)-gate” is far less forgivable.

Anything the Oregon football team wears

by Teej on May 6, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on May 6, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good lord.

What is with those hats?

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by JY on May 6, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I loved them when I was a kid

but then I was kind of a stupid kid so there’s that.

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I going to say.

What, did they buy them second hand from a Civil War recreation society?

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by JY on May 6, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I said logos, not unis.

Gotta love a baseball-playing pirate.

arrrrrrrrr.

by msb on May 6, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

*Strawberries if I’m in the mood for them

*Dallas Cowboys- It’s bad enough to rest your entire franchise on A QB that consistently crumbles under pressure but now God is trying to kill you. I truly feel for these guys.

*Mars Volta is the worst band in the history of the planet.

*Using Bomb as a adjective

*Nothing touches the Oregon Ducks in this category. The Redskins also deserve mention just based on their name.

by Robert on May 6, 2009 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

I hate you, enjoy the box you homotastic homo

I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ

by Fuzz on May 6, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm too busy at the moment to answer all of the questions

But as for annoying words, I would have to say “Flustrating/ed”

It’s FRUSTRATING, dammit. I just wanna choke the air out of people that say that so matter of factly that they’d end up surprised to find out they’re doing it wrong

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Ooh ooh!

I also hate when people mispronounce “mischievous” as “mis-CHEE-vee-us”. It’s “mis-chuh-vuhs”.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 6, 2009 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

What about the even worse offense of

“mis-chee-vee-us”

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

i'm confused

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

They add an "i" after the "v"

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

He probably thought Phil was talking about where to put the accent

because he used all-caps, which is a way of signifying “put the accent here”, rather than pointing out the inclusion of the extra “i”

by johnbai on May 6, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo

I will still hang my head in shame though.

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Winter is the only time I buy produce out of season because greens can only take me so far.

Pro sports team whose fans you feel the most pity for? Besides the Mariners?

Band or artist you dislike that everyone else loves? I don’t even know what artists everyone loves.

A word that makes you instantly hate the person who wrote/said it? Conversate

Most objectionable uniforms currently used by a pro team? Hull City no thanks

by Kirsten Schlewitz on May 6, 2009 11:42 AM PDT reply actions  

I remember when everyone thought Hull City was a good team

ah, good times. I still hope they stay up but wow. One win in 21 is not the way to ensure survival.

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

And now the questions:

Because it seems you have a lot of pent-up OTness and the old one takes a while to load up. A few well-thought out items for discussion:

What vegetables/fruit will you buy out-of-season because you love them so?

Vegetables are gross

Pro sports team whose fans you feel the most pity for?

Sonics? I don’t follow the NBA, but that seems like a royal screw job.

Band or artist you dislike that everyone else loves?

Guns n Roses, Aerosmith, most of the shit played on modern rock radio

A word that makes you instantly hate the person who wrote/said it?

Nothing specific, just people who repeat cliches over and over again, or have no vocabulary so everything they talk about bores me to tears.

Most objectionable uniforms currently used by a pro team?

Chief Wahoo. Also, everyone of those fuckers that has co-opted red in the last 10 or so years, The Angels, Astros, Nationals, and Diamondbacks (biggest offender): red is not your color and every single douchebag that wear their rebranded red gear can go fuck themselves.

by JI on May 6, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm very with you on GnR and Aerosmith

Can’t stand either of them

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Robert? Wanna go to Chechnya?

I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ

by Fuzz on May 6, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

I still think we lose this game

by Graham MacAree on May 6, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Especially if we keep getting denied penalties like that

Memo to the referee: When you drag someone down by their shirt in soccer it’s generally considered to be a foul

by Graham MacAree on May 6, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm new to soccer but if I am correct, Chelsea seems to be in position for a easy win

Scoring 2 goals in 49 minutes seems like it would be a impossible task for Barcelona.

by Robert on May 6, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boy do I have egg on my face here

Upon further research it appears that between Chelsea and AV, I was surprised to find that Villa has the lone Champions league title. But Chelsea does have a nice runners-up so they can rise their chin almost as high as them.

by Robert on May 6, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boy do I have egg on my face

What’s the difference between the CL and European Cup?

by Robert on May 6, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

UEFA euros, lots of them

The Champions League (NEVER call it the CL) contains the top several teams from many European countries, where the European Cup was limited to the league champions of each European domestic league. I hate the current Champions League format – why should the fourth-place team in any nation be eligible to play in a tournament to decide the best team in Europe?

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you

Do you have any suggestions on places to learn the European leagues? My current method to learning is to form opinions based on the Graham and NOLA make when different things happen and that leaves a lot to be desired.

by Robert on May 6, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uhhhh

I don’t know of any centralized resource as such, but what sort of things do you want to learn? If I know that I can maybe point you a few different places.

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh and my condolences

If only the Champions League had a third place game like the World Cup we could be treated to one of the most irrelevant matches of the year!

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not going to bitch about it too much

We were better than they were and they got lucky. So it goes.

Depressing week in sports so far though

by Graham MacAree on May 6, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

TEll me about it

at least Chelsea made a game out of their second leg. And their first, for that matter.

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by pdb on May 6, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, we beat the crap out of them just now

4 legit penalties all ignored and the one thing he does call for Chelsea is a bullshit sending off which puts Abidal out for the final. Horrible reffing for both sides.

Best of luck to Barca though. They fought hard.

by Graham MacAree on May 6, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't see it but I feel your pain

it read like a pretty good effort from Chelsea.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm proud of them

I only turned the banner at work around for like 10 minutes in mourning after Iniesta scored (which was a great goal).

by Graham MacAree on May 6, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I watched the match, and was supporting Chelsea for shits and giggles

but holy crap you cannot argue about the ref.
That sending off was ridiculous, and Drogba should be fucking shot. There’s diving, and then there’s making a complete mockery of the game.

by marc w on May 6, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I meant this

“Memo to the referee: When you drag someone down by their shirt in soccer it’s generally considered to be a foul”

And I see your comment about Drogba. You are a man of honor.

by marc w on May 6, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have trouble with shirt-pulling in general

So maybe I’m biased, but I still think that was a clear foul and a clear penalty. Although the Malouda foul and Pique handball were clearer.

by Graham MacAree on May 6, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Malouda foul was close

I think it’s a case of letter/spirit of the law. He may have been obstructed (though I hate that ‘fall backwards randomly once you’re in the box’ thing), and IF the ref calls it, I think there’s a case to be made that it’s a penalty.
But I don’t think it was a foul, and a case could be made that the contact was initiated outside of the box. I think nothing was the right call there (like the red card!).

The shirt-pull… I see the point, but there’s no case that he ‘dragged him down.’ There was shirt pulling, and then Drogba decided, as he is wont to do, to go to ground. Would’ve been an awfully soft penalty, though I’ve seen it given before.

by marc w on May 6, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyway, and I think we can all agree on this:

Barca are fucked in the final and we get to see United win a treble. Hooray.

by Graham MacAree on May 6, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling

that (despite my hope that every single United player does his knee in in training) this will actually be a ridiculously entertaining final.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's going to be a cakewalk

for the reason Graham mentioned.

Not thrilled about it, but Barca won’t have any healthy players who are allowed to play.

by marc w on May 6, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Answers

What vegetables/fruit will you buy out-of-season because you love them so?
Rhubarb. Holy moly rhubarb. Although by “buy out of season” I mean “buy in season and freeze in bulk.”

Pro sports team whose fans you feel the most pity for? Probably the Expos. Their team left and didn’t even become a good team.

Band or artist you dislike that everyone else loves? Sting. Anything and everything Sting.

A word that makes you instantly hate the person who wrote/said it? One of my ex-boyfriends used to say “it’s a mute point” when he meant a moot point. It killed me every time.

Most objectionable uniforms currently used by a pro team? Probably the lingerie football teams. There is no way those girls could take a large hit. Alternatively, I hate any professional sports team that takes the color orange seriously.

by themoose on May 6, 2009 12:12 PM PDT reply actions  

"moot point" in itself is a mangling of its original meaning.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines “moot” as “that can be argued; debatable; not decided, doubtful.” But it has come to mean the exact opposite of what it used to. Too late to fight it now, but I find it pretty interesting.

by Teej on May 6, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Important Answers

What vegetables/fruit will you buy out-of-season because you love them so?
Asparagus. I gotta hoard the few veggies I enjoy eating.

Pro sports team whose fans you feel the most pity for?
Seattle Sonics. Yes I have self pity.

Band or artist you dislike that everyone else loves?
Beyonce. I admit she has a good voice but she annoys the shit out of me.

A word that makes you instantly hate the person who wrote/said it?
tie between “liberals” and “conservatives”

Most objectionable uniforms currently used by a pro team?
OKC Thunder. Yeah I’m biased but the logo is laughable it’s so awful.

by SimpleEnigma on May 6, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions  

This could be a very inflammatory fancomment so I will nip it in the bud right now.

Beyonce is a once-in-a-lifetime singing talent and the natural evolution of Sarah Vaughan. Of this there can be no question.

by waldo rojas on May 6, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know, I know

but she’s so damn annoying. Plus the “Single Girls” song makes my ears bleed every time.

by SimpleEnigma on May 6, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll add another artist that I don't like: Sonic Youth.

I respect the hell out of ’em, but jesus I hate listening to their music.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 6, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Kim Gordon can't write songs.

She has single-handedly destroyed my enjoyment of certain albums.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not big into Sonic Youth

but the songs I like are tend to be the ones she sings

by JI on May 6, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

About 15% of their output is absolutely stellar

the rest is unbelievably wanky and annoying.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hardly related but reminded me...

Deftones.

I heard one of their songs and liked them. Bought their album and all their songs sounded exactly the same. I only buy albums now if I am a huge fan of the artist/band.

by SimpleEnigma on May 6, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

But records are only earned

how would one “buy” a record?
Unless you think Bonds steroid use is akin to him “buying” the all-time HR record… in the way that a politician might “buy” an election?

I’m very confused here.

by johnbai on May 6, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Surprisingly enough

this was before the days of Napster. And I wouldn’t call it a record because it definitely didn’t deserve to win anything except for “Most Repetitive Album of the Year”

by SimpleEnigma on May 6, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah we get it

you don’t buy records any more. But lots of people still do.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I buy nothing but.

I think the last single I bought was Danzig’s “Mother.” When it came out.

by Teej on May 6, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually

White Pony was what I bought

by SimpleEnigma on May 6, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Around the Fur and Adrenaline are very good

But most of their newer stuff sounds like an album-full of the same sound. That said, they can still put out a good/great song or 2 per album

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question:"Carry On" or "Euphoria Morning"?

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by Faux on May 6, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Neither.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 6, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Figured as much.

Thanks, both.

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by Faux on May 6, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

EM is a pretty good album

Carry On has decent enough songs but the arrangements and mixing are awful.

by JI on May 6, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holy shit, I had no idea.

One of my favorite albums of all time.

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by Faux on May 6, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looking at the two I have in front of me.

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by Faux on May 6, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem with those records

is that the music is too bland (this is much more of a problem on CC), Cornell’s voice is so dynamic that he needs a powerful band to sing against, or something really quiet (like a solo guitar or piano) to isolated it. Bland “full band” type of music is the worst way to go.

by JI on May 6, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why was there never a Groo video game?

that seems way more fun than a Conan video game.

by johnbai on May 6, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Close enough?

http://www.funagain.com/control/product/~product_id=006971

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by Faux on May 6, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay.

What vegetables/fruit will you buy out-of-season because you love them so?

Avocados

Pro sports team whose fans you feel the most pity for?

Tottenham Hotspur

Band or artist you dislike that everyone else loves?

I don’t know that everyone loves the Rolling Stones, but the Rolling Stones.

A word that makes you instantly hate the person who wrote/said it?

This has been covered well enough, I think.

♥

by royalcurve on May 6, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Exile on Main St. is a pretty solid album.

Although that’s most of what I know of them, which is just weird.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Satisfaction is a really good song

I’m by no means a Stones fan, but I do like some of their FM hits. Jagger has an terrible voice.

by JI on May 6, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

They have an SBN site!

You can be the second non-mod user even.

http://www.coysfutbol.com/

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by Faux on May 6, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Coming up very soon

Rhubarb (one of the only 2 perenials growing in your garden — the other is asparagus) is already shooting up as we speak. You ought to be able to get some good rhubarb in the farmer’s markets in a month or so.

by johnbai on May 6, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd forgotten that asparagus is a perennial.

That’s also something to add to my list of Things to Grow in my Garden Once I Own a House

by abender20 on May 6, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I wonder if/how they’ll implement live updating. It’ll be fun to give a try though

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Auto-refresh, I'd imagine.

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by Faux on May 6, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt they will

Mobile commenting will be like on LL 1.0

by Robert on May 6, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

So apparently mods can rec their own posts

I wonder what special powers you need to be able to do this

by seattlebruin on May 6, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions  

To add to the discourse:

A word that makes you instantly hate the person who wrote/said it?

“It’s all good”

I hate that statement. It just gets under my skin. I use to have a whole lecture on why I hated that phrase, but now I can not remember it.

by mark sobba on May 6, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

"It is what it is"

Then you don’t need to say it, fucker.

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by Faux on May 6, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ew. Ew. Ew.

I couldn’t agree with both of these more.

♥

by royalcurve on May 6, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I once had a discussion with a Dodgers fan

where the guy said that “it is what it is” is the dumbest phrase ever, but “Manny being Manny” made perfect sense

by seattlebruin on May 6, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate "my bad"

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 6, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I most certainly do not love Coldplay

I once described them to a friend as the most convincing argument for being deaf that I could come up with.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't like Coldplay but I don't really hate them either

I don’t really mind them but I wouldn’t spend $40 to see them in concert. Why do you dislike them so strongly?

by Dewey N on May 6, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because they are the living embodiment of mediocrity

they aren’t particularly creative, their lyrics are boring at best, trite at worst, and hackneyed always, and the level of success they’ve gotten out of such a small sliver of talent blows my mind.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Because they are the living embodiment of mediocrity"

Nickelback?

No, they’re probably worse than mediocre.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

True.

Mediocrity is a fucking hydra. Lop off one head and you’re going to get at least two more in its place.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 6, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

There will be no containing my joy if anything of this nature happens.

The San Diego LLers will experience what feels like an earthquake but will in actuality be the world’s most violent orgasm.

by abender20 on May 6, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

The heart in the sig really sells it.

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by Faux on May 6, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I ✈ NY?

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 5:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have one of those.

It involves a plane, 1 parachute, a Mexican, German, Frenchman, and a Texan. Terrible joke but I love it anyway.

by Kermit. on May 7, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

GENIUS!

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 7, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Animated Gifs

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hmm, I forgot you were a realative newbie.

Go to youtube and look up “Benny Hill 9/11” right now. I forget who posted it first, but it caused all of the Indians blog that holed up here for a game to leave.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Note: It was probably JI.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't open that at work.

Is the fresh prince gif in there? That’s the best by far.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on May 7, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed on both counts.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the Twins are having a problem with their current SS because he can't make fundamental plays, I have a hard time believing they'll bite on Yuni.

I like the Twins so I have a hard time believing they would be that stupid, but never say never. Whatever gets him off the team, I like the Twins but not that much.

by Kermit. on May 6, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anybody know anything about Manchester Orchestra?

A song of theirs is on NPR’s most recent All Songs Considered podcast, and it sounds pretty damn good. How’s the rest of their stuff?

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 6, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions  

They're neither from Manchester nor are they an orchestra

(I just this minute finished listening to that very podcast and would also be interested to know more)

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 6, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is a town south of Port Orchard called Manchester.

It was originally called Brooklyn to reflect its future importance as a deep-water port. The residents decided Brooklyn was too podunk so they renamed it Manchester. It has a stop sign and a post office. No stores though.

by waldo rojas on May 6, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Their new album is getting rave reviews.

The most recent one I read was in Paste and they gave it a 93….
Haven’t really heard them though.

Current listening enjoyments: Grizzly Bear, Andrew Bird, Parenthetical Girls

by Woodinville_12thMan on May 6, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Answers

What vegetables/fruit will you buy out-of-season because you love them so? Strawberries?

Pro sports team whose fans you feel the most pity for? Baltimore Orioles

Band or artist you dislike that everyone else loves? I don’t hang out with people that listen to “popular” stuff, so I can’t really say.

A word that makes you instantly hate the person who wrote/said it? “Synergy”

Most objectionable uniforms currently used by a pro team? Anything worn by the Oregon Ducks.

by BrianL on May 6, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions  

How in the world is that price justified?

Is the train made of diamonds and running on nuclear power?

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by tootthekazoo on May 6, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

You missed the word train.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

A comment on Baker's piece defending Silva

“George, what a beautiful, beautiful column on the Great Carlos Silva. It literally brought tears to my eyes and I am still crying as I am typing this post. My parents just walked into the basement to check on me and they saw me holding my Carlos Silva poster, T-shirt, bobblehead, and underwear and I was crying and crying and they were really worried about me but I said to them, “Mom, dad, if Silva can handle the pressure and unjust criticism from the fans and media and still pitch so at a Cy Young level…I can do anything!”

Thank you once again at this in-depth look at the wonderful man behind the pitcher. In my opinion he is worth every cent of his contract and so much more.

P.S.: bench Ichiro"

I like how he thinks his name is George.

by .Taylor on May 6, 2009 10:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Wak calling for the hit and run yesterday, with Sweeney on base and Beltre at the plate.

I can’t stop thinking about that. It’s all speculative and I’m probably reading way to much into the move, but like I said in the game thread when it happened, I’m used to Lou taking the bat out of the players hands. Thing is, he only used to do it when he didn’t trust the hitter anymore. I’m not sure that’s why Wak did it, but still. What the hell is going on with Beltre? His shoulder tight or weak from the surgery? Just a slow start and business as usual?

by Kermit. on May 6, 2009 11:18 PM PDT reply actions  

On Windows 7 RC:

So I’ve been messing around with it the last couple of days and I finally got it back to where I had the beta(as I did a clean install). And I must say, it’s still an excellent OS. If Microsoft announces an official release date of the finished product before March 1st(which is the expiration date of the RC), then I’ll be deleting my XP partition altogether.

All of my games work, which is great because there where a few I had problems with in the beta, like Call of Duty 4 and Need for Speed Most Wanted. And the only programs that still don’t work are Daemon Tools, Alcohol 120 and Peer Guardian 2. Daemon and Alcohol have known computability issues and will likely be fixed after the official release, so thats no big deal. Plus, I found a program called Power ISO which works and does the job of both. Peer Guardian just doesn’t wanna work on any non XP OS, hopefully they fix that.

There is one thing though, and maybe it’s something some of you other techies can help me with. When I installed the RC, I had to disable my video card(a NVIDIA 9800GTX+). because it kept freezing during the install when it tried to install the video drivers. After after I got the RC installed, I still can’t get any NVIDIA drivers that are higher than 178.24 to work. Each time I try to install them, they freeze halfway through.

I thought at first this was an OS issue. But since I hadn’t updated the drivers in XP for a while, I decided to take a look and found out they are also 178.24. And in XP, they would also freeze if I tried to upgrade to anything newer, so it’s obviously not a Windows 7 issue.

Any thoughts as to why I can’t upgrade past drivers 178.24?

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on May 7, 2009 4:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Sometimes Nvidia puts their drivers (or pieces at least) into protected memory in a way that circumvents MS protections,

and when they try to remove them it can cause a dump and a bsod/freeze.

The general method for getting around this is to uninstall the driver set entirely (manually or in safe mode if you have to), and after a reboot install the new drivers fresh.

I had to do this to get the 182.50 drivers on my 9800GX2 last month.

Interestingly enough, I’ve had no problems with anything drivers (XP, Vista or W7 Beta/RC) with my GTX285 machine.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 5:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tried that already.

After I install the new drivers fresh and reboot I get a BSOD before the Welcome Screen.

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on May 7, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like you aren't getting all of the old ones out.

Manual uninstall?

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tried that. Also tried to clean them with Driver Sweeper.

Still got the same results.

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on May 7, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

BIOS update?

Incompatible HW?

You’re making it tough on me here.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

BIOS is up to date.

And I don’t think it’s incompatible hardware, or else why would the 178.24 drivers and everything older work just fine?

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on May 7, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I meant with the new version.

Sometimes they take off older chipsets from compatibility lists to bring down the testing and coding time.

What’s the MB model#?

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

My specs fyi:
Asus P5N-D 750i SLI
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.0 Ghz
XION Supernova 800W
6 GB Corsair XMS2
NVIDIA GeForce 9800GTX+

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by Goose on May 7, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, that's definitely supported.

Start up a bug report. I’ve done it before, and they’re surprisingly responsive.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hahaha that's good.

In all fairness though, I don’t think this is a Windows 7 issue, since it’s happening with my XP partition as well.

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on May 7, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds lovely.

I was one of those unfortunate souls who bought a laptop from Dell after they decided to switch to Vista only and before they realized what a horrible idea that was. The specs on it aren’t bad at all, but it’s barely functional and seems to get worse all the time.

I’m going to get Windows 7 on this bitch as soon as I’m able.

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by JY on May 7, 2009 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ubuntu!

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

No.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 7, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

LL Bookclub

alright all, now that the M’s are starting to piss us off, who’s up for LL bookclub starting say, Monday with Pride, Prejudice and Zombies?

by seattlebruin on May 7, 2009 8:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Hmmm...

What else would we be looking at?

I have a whole stack of peculiar books lying around, staring at me, begging me to read them as is.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 7, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I got it in about 10 seconds with my Kindle!

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

My company dropped 2/3 of the coin for me.

And a Amazon GC left over from Xass paid for all but the shipping and cover.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

After playing with it for ~month, it's worth every penny.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Stupid SBN2.0

And if I had to spend my own money, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

They're releasing a widescreen Kindle this summer

so if you find the desire you should hold off a bit.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 7, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's such a steep cost up front, and doesn't really allow me to share books with my friends like I do.

Usually my friends and I will each buy up a couple of books, then swap like mad when we finish.

by abender20 on May 7, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

It helps to have friends.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't wait for the inevitable burst of outrage

from people that bought the Kindle 2 on release day only to see a widescreen version released two months later.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 7, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I looked it up, and the answer is no. While I dislike that superficially, it makes sense.

If you purchase a copy of a book, you can share it with one person at a time. If you are allowed to share an electronic copy, it would just spread like wildfire. They need to work out a way to only allow one user to possess a copy of a book at a time, so that it works the same way as normal books.

by abender20 on May 7, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just torrent e-books

and read them on my laptop – only problem is that battery life is blowtacular

by seattlebruin on May 7, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is how I get my technicial manuals and cert books.

Then I port them to the Kindle.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

How hard is it to port them to the Kindle?

Does it need to be in a special format, or will any old .pdf work?

by seattlebruin on May 7, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't say get the big one.

That’s made for textbooks and large format reading. The standard Kindle/2 work just fine for normal books.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Worth every penny.

I’ve already saved about 500$ in cert books that I downloaded instead of bought, plus about 2 dozen books at kindle prices = about 60 bucks in savings over getting the books.

If you can find the books you want in pdf or mobi for free, then you’re basically saving the cost of the book.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I use mobipocket reader.

Some of the table of contents I’ve had to fiddle with on occasion, but it’s been lights out in 90% of standard books I’ve put on it.

[Lots of|big] pictures kill it, though. Books with few pictures do best.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mobipocket Creator, sorry.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

There are rumors of a reselling/passing on function in the works,

that will add it to their kindle and take it off of yours, like passing them a book physically.

There’ll probably be a fee, of course, but the rumours are that it is more to cover wireless costs.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

But right now I'm reading:

Don’t Get Too Comfortable – Just started, about 2 chapters in and it still hasn’t talked about the title topic yet.
The Wisdom of Crowds – I’m about 3/4 of the way through, and it’s a good read so far
As They See ‘Em – Great book on Umpires, almost done.
Problem Solving 101 (Freebie, good quick read)
Wikinomics – Just started, don’t know if I like the writing style

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on May 7, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't hold your breath for Don't Get Too Comfortable

it doesn’t really ever talk about the title topic. It’s still kind of an interesting read, but it doesn’t tie his various essays together in a way that the title would suggest.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 7, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

It seems prudent.

Christ, at this pace I might not even have my book by Monday (despite ordering in early April)

by abender20 on May 7, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Try living with the craptastic Multnomah County Library System

“155 holds on first copy returned of 1 copy”

If I were on that list I’d get the book sometime around 2040. I hate the Multnomah County Library.

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by pdb on May 7, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are apparently several more on order

but they only currently have one. To be honest I’m surprised they have even one – maybe I just got spoiled by SPL, but the Mult Co Library leaves a lot to be desired as far as breadth of collection.

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by pdb on May 7, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not even close to being true

they’re evolving, but they’re not dying.

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by pdb on May 7, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you think massive holdings of hard copies of books will continue to last?

I can certainly see the continuation of electronic resources, but stacks are slowly becoming a thing of the past.

by abender20 on May 7, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we've had this debate before

I think that, outside of major metropolitan areas with better economic means and tax revenues, stacks will continue to exist – solely because the dollars to replace them don’t. In cities, sure, I can see stacks going away, but the effort to digitize books is not practical for anyone but the well-resourced at this point in time and unless and until that changes I think physical books will always have a place in the world.

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by pdb on May 7, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Completely agree.

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by pdb on May 7, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except for the Philadelphia mass turbulence of 1947

No human being would stack books like that

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by tootthekazoo on May 7, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Recc'd for reasons that should be obvious.

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by JY on May 7, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, I love libraries (and especially stacks).

It’s just that our culture is moving away from using them.

by abender20 on May 7, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think I understand how a book club works.

Does everyone have to read only a certain amount per session? Or do people read the whole book and then discuss?

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

The latter is how they work in the non-internet world.

There’s usually a deadline by which people should have the book read, and then there’s a meeting to discuss.

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by pdb on May 7, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I finally got to see the goals/highlights last night

that Iniesta goal is one of the best I’ve seen in years. But I really don’t see how the ref could not have seen/bothered to call that handball.

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by pdb on May 7, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

crap that is actually what I meant

I was talking to someone while I typed that comment and not paying attention to my fingers. Essien’s was absolutely breathtaking.

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by pdb on May 7, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

It has taken me 10 years

but I can finally watch Giggs’ goal in the 1999 FA Cup semi without feeling suicidal/homicidal. I would imagine that for a goal my team scored in a losing effort that timespan would be a bit shorter. So by 2014 you should be good.

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by pdb on May 7, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I watched the Best of TG on youtube the other night. God, that's incredible.

In addition to the always charming “Go count your dick!!!”, I had forgotten about the Colgate incident and his drive through ordering technique.

by abender20 on May 7, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Colgate one is probably my favorite

The whole thing is brilliant. I love when he’s waiting on hold and the music starts playing: “I hope this is the Puff Daddy version of this song and not that Sting PIECE OF SHIT.” *Listens to song; Every Breath you Take lyrics begin
“FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!”

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by tootthekazoo on May 7, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mental Floss presents

You Be The Ump!

(I got 7 of 10)

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by pdb on May 7, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions  

6/10. :(

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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 7, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I missed the ERA one because I don't do math

I also missed the ways-to-get-on-base one and the balk one.

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by pdb on May 7, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

8/10!

Missed the balk one and the ball hitting the runner on a bag.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on May 7, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

10/10!

But to be fair, I guessed on the # of ways to reach first.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

9 out of 10

Who cares about how many ways a runner can reach first?

by Sec 108 on May 7, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why that question, the ERA question, and the CG question were asked.

It’s about umps, not scorekeepers.

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by Faux on May 7, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

9/10

I missed ways to reach first base question.

by Graham MacAree on May 7, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well this is peculiar

Soderbergh’s going an…interesting route for casting the role of Bill James in the Moneyball movie.

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by pdb on May 7, 2009 10:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Wha...WHAT?

I’m having visions of the Judge from Pink Floyd’s The Wall.

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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 7, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know it's Scoop Jackson and it's ESPN

but how the fuck does this make it to print with no editor catching it?!

but one with a 39-2 (really 40-1 because that last loss shouldn’t of counted against them) record at home that almost guarantees them representation in this year’s NBA Finals.

by seattlebruin on May 7, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Bob Melvin----->Unemployment line.

Link

SAN DIEGO – Bob Melvin is no longer the manager of the Diamondbacks.

It’s unclear if the team has already fired its manager or if it is waiting to do so until the club returns home from San Diego, but Melvin will no longer have the job by the end of night, according to club sources.

Huh. I never thought Melvin was that bad. I thought he got shafted here in Seattle and probably doesn’t all the way deserve this firing either. It’s not his fault that Snyder,Young,Jackson, and Tracy haven’t hit at all and that Drew and Webb got injured. However somebody has to be blamed for a team that is already 9 games back when it was expected to compete for a division title.

It’s kinda sad really. This is a team that is built on drafts and trades. Built the “right way”. Tons of talent, but most of us hasn’t ended up near what it promised to be. Jackson hasn’t developed power, Young hasn’t figured out how to make better contact and get on base, Snyder and Reynolds are more role players than stars. The only one that looks to be developing as expected is Justin Upton(.294/.375/.365, 21 years old).

4 years ago when I became a fan of this team and the direction it was going in, I didn’t expect it to end up like this. Goddamnit.

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by Goose on May 7, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions  

AJ Hinch, who is the DBacks director of Player Development, will take over as manager.

Also, as figured, hitting coach Rick Schu has been fired and Brian Price has resigned. Which isn’t much of a surprise since him and Melvin were good friends.

Link

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by Goose on May 7, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I fucking hate Brian Price.

I believe him to be the downfall of way too many pitchers that were supposed to be great.

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by kevin_ess on May 7, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really? This surprises me, but maybe it shouldn't.

I always thought of Brian Price as the buffer between Lou and the pitching staff. That’s based solely on Lou being such a prick towards pitchers though.

by Kermit. on May 7, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

AJ Hinch?!?

I’d completely missed that he was in the FO

by msb on May 8, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

He benched Upton for 5 days

because he went 0 for 9 to start the season. He then put him 9th in the order and moved him up one slot at a time depending on his results. I’m guessing (not sarcastically) that punishing their future superstar for not having a hit in 3 games probably did something to affect the decision, as this article implies it has something to do with bringing out the skills of the younger players.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on May 7, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that seriously pissed me off.

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by Goose on May 7, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Signing Carlos Silva to a 4 year deal is an ouch.

Signing Jon Garland on a 1 year deal, for less money is a meh. Besides, he’s been decentish for a 4th starter.

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by Goose on May 8, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Holy fucking shit, it's motherfucking STAR TREK DAY!!!!!!

Anybody else going to see this movie today?

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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 8, 2009 8:02 AM PDT reply actions  

And?

AND?

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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 8, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

It isn't the Star Trek we grew up with

but I enjoyed it. However, there were more than a few Trekkies there who were disgusted by it.

Really, it’s kind of like Star Trek got the Casino Royale treatment with this movie.

by BrianL on May 8, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which is good because that means someone like me will probably love it

since I can’t stand most Star Trek incarnations.

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by pdb on May 8, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

?

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film

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by Faux on May 8, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was genius

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by pdb on May 8, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

All of their movies are.

The Macbook Wheel, Sony’s new stupid piece of shit that doesn’t fucking work…

by BrianL on May 8, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sadly, part of that I can kind of agree with.

In my mind, Star Trek is about the optimistic future of humanity. The line about going against Roddenberry’s vision kinda rings true a little. If this movie doesn’t at least somewhat stay true to that, then it isn’t a good Star Trek movie.

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by Goose on May 8, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I'm probably gonna be in the same boat as you.

It sounds like it’s almost impossible not to enjoy the movie, yet I may mourn for some of the subtleties that made the older movies and shows work so well.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 8, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

You'll definitely miss some of the subtleties and campy factor of the older movies

but I think we can all agree that this was one franchise in desperate need of a reboot.

by BrianL on May 8, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

Ugh, Nemesis and Insurrection were so shitty.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 8, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Reboot means you start at the beginning.

I find prequels to be incredibly lazy creatively, which is why I’m still against the whole premise of this movie. That said, it’s getting great reviews and I wanna go see it.l

by JI on May 8, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not that lazy, actually.

The premise (from what I understand) is that the main villain actually changes things int he past, which opens up a whole range of possibilities, since the future could be much different than we’ve scene.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 8, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's lazy because we've all seen Kirk, Spock etc

on the original Enterprise before. Several times. Do something new rather than try to cash in on nostaliga.

main villain actually changes things int he past, which opens up a whole range of possibilities, since the future could be much different than we’ve scene.

Hey that sounds like the premise to Enterprise! The rest of the movie must be fucking spectacular if they’re succeeding in spite ripping off ANOTHER time travel premise from their biggest embarrassment of a series.

Plus, I rather liked the first two spinoff shows, I don’t want some assholes trying to tell me they never happened just because everybody involved was too lazy think of an original premise.

by JI on May 8, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, if they ever make another series(and as a Trekkie, I really hope they wait at least 10 years or so)

It really needs to be set in a post Nemesis future with a whole new ship or station and a whole new crew.

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by Goose on May 8, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

because I’ve always actually found sequels to be somewhat lazy – prequels force you to imagine what got these iconic characters to the place where they are now, and that takes some work. Especially with something as well-known and encyclopedically documented as Star Trek. I see it as an origin story, which I think of differently as a “prequel”.

To bring something new to the table, as opposed to “let’s put these same six characters on a ship, 15 years after their last adventure, and have them fight aliens! Again! But this time with better effects!” really interests me.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on May 8, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Prequels lock the ending into one place and dramatically that's really really shitty

And if you liked the original you want to see the characters change and grow. The problem with the NextGen movies is that they were poorly written and didn’t have any character development

by JI on May 8, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

First Contact?

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by Goose on May 8, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I grew up with TNG and DS9 and that's what I consider the pinnacle of Trek.

I’m not gonna see this until Wednesday, but I’m pretty damn skeptical.

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by Goose on May 8, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

pdb, need your input:

“Kids Don’t Follow” by The Replacements is coming to Rock Band on Tuesday. Is it a good song?

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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 8, 2009 8:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Good but not one of their classics

It’s from Stink, which is from the early drunk-thrash-punk era of the Replacements; it’s therefore a little rougher and less polished than stuff off Tim or Pleased To Meet Me; that said, it’s probably one of the most melodic songs on Stink (although “Fuck School” would be a lot of fun to play in RB) so it would probably be a good choice.

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by pdb on May 8, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cool, thanks for the input. I guess I'll wait to hear it before buying it.

I do prefer their more melodic stuff.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 8, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can check out a sample on Amazon

but do so from the MP3 purchase page not the CD one because the CD purchase page sample is the first 30 seconds, which is a bunch of talking and stuff and only about 8 seconds of song. The MP3 sample is from the middle of the song and you get a sense for what the song’s like.

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by pdb on May 8, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ew.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 8, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

What the hell is the sea made out of?

The sausage? But isn’t that what’s in the inside of the boat?

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by Faux on May 8, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Was that on Stumbleupon?

I found it on metafilter. I tried to use Stumbleupon once but then realized I didn’t actually enjoy drinking from a sewer pipe so I stopped.

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by pdb on May 8, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. Can we somehow alert the collective internet masses and inform them that

not only is “totally shopped, I can tell by the pixels” is a dead meme, but responding angrily to it is… deader?

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by kevin_ess on May 8, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Barca's coming to Qwest!

The third of the off-season bonus games. It remains to be seen if all the first team will play, usually in preseason friendlies they run out for 10-15 min or so and then it’s Barca Juniors, but still.

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by pdb on May 8, 2009 9:35 AM PDT reply actions  

That's Blarghcelona

and I fully expect you to be in front of Qwest lighting an effigy of Keita in protest.

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by pdb on May 8, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love Arsene Wenger like my own father

but GOOD GOD THIS IS FRUSTRATING. I know he’s supposed to put the best face forward and all that, but he’s deluded if he thinks that his team is among the best in Europe, even given the appearance in the Champions League semifinal.

His stubbornness to even consider adding ONE player with some steel or some experience is going to be the downfall of this team – and I’m not even talking about the whole “haven’t won a trophy in four years” thing, just about the fact that in two years this team will probably be the kings of the UEFA Cup or whatever they’re calling it now.

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by pdb on May 8, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is true

and he will be a huge help next year in Europe when he’s not cup-tied. But watching the other three finalists play, even adding Arshavin to the mix won’t be enough to keep pace. Arsenal are turning back into what they were when Arsene showed up and inherited Graham’s players – a team with a phenomenal Plan A, but no Plan B and very little depth. When Plan A works, they’re unbeatable, but when it doesn’t, they’re a mess.

I had hoped they’d gotten away from that mode of team development, but they seem to be right back there, and that’s what frustrates me the most.

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by pdb on May 8, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

When they came over and played NY

they played the first team through the entire first half at least and then started doing subs. Ronaldinho for instance played a full 90. Eto’o came off at half for Messi (this was back in ’06 ) which was amazing to see.

by Matthew on May 8, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like a BOSS.

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 8, 2009 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Fun!

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on May 8, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Anybody in Portland wanna see a couple rehab starts?

Saturday’s Salt Lake Bees/Portland Beavers matchup features Ervin Santana going against Cha Sung Baek. Sunday is John Lackey v. Walter Silva.

We’re going Sunday, can’t make Saturday though. Supposed to be a gorgeous weekend here, too.

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by pdb on May 8, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Well...

I know what I’m doing this weekend instead of studying.

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by JY on May 8, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm paying a good portion of it.

I’m equally accountable in this.

The other day I was hanging out with a friend of mine, who was also trying to write a paper. I said I was going to start on mine as soon as I ran out of things I wanted to look at on the internet.

Not even I could say that with a straight face.

"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/

by JY on May 9, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Umm...

Sec108 – good luck on your quest to finally become a My Little Pony.

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by kevin_ess on May 10, 2009 6:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Reminds me of that one Charlie Sheen movie

The one with the aliens.

The Arrival was the name of it I think.

by OlSalty on May 11, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

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