Wak apparantly not much for arguing

by SimpleEnigma on May 5, 2009 7:31 PM PDT

I'm not sure what to make of this. He has a point about no matter how much you argue the call isn't going to change. However given the horrendous strike zones so far, do you think Wak arguing and getting ejected would have improved anything? I would be curious to see if there's any study on the effect a manager's ejection has on the umpires and their team.

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No. No improvement whatsoever.

by ThundaPC on May 5, 2009 7:49 PM PDT reply actions

The only thing I can think of

Is the possibility that after the argument is made, the umpire changes the zone or possibly makes a call later in the game that makes up for the previously erred call. Other than that, I do not think arguing changes anything.

That is why I am a full on supporter of instant replay in baseball.

by Fin on May 5, 2009 8:09 PM PDT reply actions

Yeah that's what I was curious about

If a manager argues balls and strikes, is there a history of the strike zone changing?

by SimpleEnigma on May 6, 2009 4:20 AM PDT up reply actions

That would be an intersting study

and one that would be almost impossible to do unfortunately.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 6, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions

With pitch f/x

I think it would be entirely possible.

by SimpleEnigma on May 7, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions

Yeah

but it would be hard to find a record of every manager who was ejected for calling strikes, and what innings they were injected in.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 7, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions

I'd really like to know what effect a manager like Lou Piniella has on the game, not so much for his outbursts.

For his managing style with the hitters, especially in the late innings. He is really hands on with some hitters in certain situations, especially ones that are probably considered high leverage. He’s the only manager I’ve ever seen that will signal a hitter to take or swing from one pitch to the next. Same situation, nearly impossible to research. You’d have to have some seriously detailed game logs.

by Kermit. on May 7, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions

Oooh, nice typo!

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on May 8, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions

crap

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 8, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions

Interesting.....managers on steroids juicing during games.....interesting....

by .Taylor on May 8, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions

Wakamatsu needs to read DMZ's book.

The guide on umpire manipulation was a particularly good and frightening read.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on May 6, 2009 1:20 AM PDT reply actions

I was wondering what the Cheaters Guide had to say about tipping pitches....

by msb on May 6, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions

Glancing at the index

it mainly talks about stealing signs, or the batter trying to pick up on signs from the catcher, or high tech methods of sign-stealing (including, oddly enough, one that used Bernie Brewer)

On another note, I just read The Long Season by Jim Bronsan, and it’s interesting because he describes a conversation he had with Ernie Broglio. Bronsan had been traded from the Cardinals to the Reds, and when the two teams played again, Broglio and Bronsan were starting against each other. Before the game, they met up, and they agreed to allow each other to get hits. Bronsan asks Broglio to throw him a high slider, Broglio asks for another pitch. The game winds up being close, and Broglio double-crosses Bronsan.

by abelard on May 7, 2009 11:27 PM PDT reply actions