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I guess the Mariners are playing today, but it's irrelevant, because today Thierry Henry gets his second crack at the Champions League medal that he deserved to get a few years ago.  Damn you Jens Lehmann.  Anyway, I don't have access to TV or a reliable stream right now so I'm following it here.  Anybody that doesn't want to pollute the M's game thread with CL stuff should hang out over here - it's not like the M's are going to do anything interesting today anyway, right?

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It seems like Ryan Giggs should be about 600 years old

he’s been playing for United so damn long.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on May 27, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought I was going to be able to stream this at work. But:
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I’ll go talk to my boss about getting a new ISP for the building.

by Teej on May 27, 2009 11:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you have Verizon at home?

I use my home verizon account to watch ESPN 360 at work.

Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"

by bluemax on May 27, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah

well that is unfortunate.

Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"

by bluemax on May 27, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually that's his second greatest skill

Moaning loudly about perceived injustice is his greatest skill.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on May 27, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where does looking/acting/being..

..a giant douchetool make the list? Surely top 5?

by GhettoBear04 on May 27, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just fired up ESPN 360. Awesome!

I don’t know much about European soccer beyond the biggest stars, but I take it this the best soccer I’ll see until South Africa 2010. Who are the players to watch beyond Rooney, Henry, and He-Who-Flops? Also, this color commentator isn’t Tommy Smyth, is it? I’ve never actually heard him call a game.

by Decatur on May 27, 2009 12:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If it's an aggressive fake Oirish accent and if he's talking complete bollocks it's Smyth.

Messi for Barca is one of if not the best player in the game right now, Eto’o for Barca is also awesome.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on May 27, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN 360 is my only source of international Soccer

now that I don’t get the FSC anymore.

Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"

by bluemax on May 27, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well the thing is

I think FSC is part of the extended sports package on DirecTV and I cancelled that to save money. I’ll probably reup it during College Football but cancel again after.

Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"

by bluemax on May 27, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. It's Smyth.

Incidentally, I’ve actually met him.

by Matthew on May 27, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No. He was very pleasant

and talked to me and a friend for 10 minutes even though he had vastly much more important things to be doing.

by Matthew on May 27, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's good to hear

because his shtick is reeeeeally irritating.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on May 27, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I desperately miss Wynalda.

Too bad you’re not allowed to be an asshole on TV unless you’re over the age of 50

by Matthew on May 27, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yahoo! updates are pleasantly racist.
Dancing run from Messi and he finds Eto’o but workaholic Park gets back to nick the ball off him.

by abender20 on May 27, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I must be missing something.

Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"

by bluemax on May 27, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kind of figured he might be Korean

but I wasn’t sure.

Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"

by bluemax on May 27, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, nice first half.

After watching the shitfest in Stamford and the latest Sounders games, it was pleasing to watch a talented and mostly foul free 45 minutes.

by Matthew on May 27, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't be Drogba, Messi.

You’re better than that.

by Matthew on May 27, 2009 12:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It does seem ominous

Barca really really need to sneak a second goal in the next few minutes to put it away

by Nick S on May 27, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always wondered

how do the referees communicate with the players when it is such an international sport? Especially in the World Cup and other international competitions it seems like there would be problems communicating. I guess a lot of the communication is using their hands, but things like notifying the ref a player seems to be holding a jersey, or explanation on a call need to be done verbally. Personally I kind of hope when the refs and players are arguing they are just blindly screaming profanities in their home language at each other.

by Zwakamatsu on May 27, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL

MESSSSSSSSSSSIIIIIIIII I LOVE YOU YOU LITTLE PERSON

by Nick S on May 27, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

MESSI!

What a pretty ball, and maybe even a prettier header. That was amazing.

by Zwakamatsu on May 27, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

GOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA---

-OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL

by Decatur on May 27, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That was gorgeous

Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"

by bluemax on May 27, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Billy Beane is working on it.

Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"

by bluemax on May 27, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Billy Beane more or less runs an MLS team.

I would be shocked if he didn’t keep whatever he develops propriety and off-limits to the public (unless he’s already contractually obligated to make it public).

by Decatur on May 27, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also works with Spurs

but I guess that’s what you meant by “MLS team”.

ZING

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by pdb on May 27, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fear not

If this off season goes as the last few have, Arsenal will be down in Spurs’ neighborhood by December.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on May 28, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And one of these years, Spurs will get the memo that they don't just measure results starting in January.

That whole fall schedule thing? NOT exhibition games, apparently.

Some continuity at coach/director of football might be nice, too.

by marc w on May 28, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Henry just needs to get one and this will have everything I want from Barcelona.

Though if someone were to kick Ronaldo and Rooney in the nuts, I would take that as well.

by Matthew on May 27, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, Puyol

don’t get fancy there, just fire it on.

by Matthew on May 27, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

THAT WAS AWESOME

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on May 27, 2009 1:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Barca!!!

Although, running into another person wearing a Barca jersey today was jarring, I’m glad we don’t look like fools now.

by GhettoBear04 on May 27, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCK UNITED

CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP

by Graham on May 27, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCK RONALDO

CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP

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by pdb on May 27, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love you guys. It shows how smart you all are with your universal hatred of The Greatest Team In The Galaxy, EVAR.

I was in Manchester last night at the cinema [refused to watch the game after the pain of last years final] and you cannot imagine how hard it was to hide my grin when walking past their ugly, pathetic, SUPER-AIDS infested rat-like faces when walking back to my car just after the game. Life would be insufferable today if they would have won. Instead, I am gaining great joy from the pain of others.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on May 28, 2009 2:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sippin on that Haterade eh?

Especially the guy who called Ronaldo “He-Who-Flops” then asked for the rest of the starting team. Unreal.

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 9:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

your point?

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on May 28, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure

you got the point. That’s why you responded.

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

United and all their fans are rat-faced twats who deserve plague.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on May 28, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

11 got arrested in Manchester for fighting after the defeat.

Fighting with one another, that is.

Retards.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on May 28, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Texting that to my rag friends right now.

Kudos.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on May 28, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahaha

well done. The ManU midfield was disgusting last night. Why Tevez, Berbatov and Scholes weren’t starting is beyond me.

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

UNITED MISSED 'BIG GAME' FLETCHER!

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on May 28, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And also, I was being partly tongue in cheek about "He-who-flops",

But the Italians made the 2006 World Cup Final a horrible experience to watch with all their flopping – I may not know a ton about soccer, but I know that excessive flopping makes a game really shitty to watch, whatever the legality or morality of it.

by Decatur on May 28, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Owned?

I got owned? I don’t think, in any rational persons world, that having someone disagree with you over the internet is getting “owned”. I read an article by Dave, read the exact same article two minutes later and thought it was fishy. Sure, I could have gone about it in a better way but I certainly don’t apologize for looking out for a writer I respect the shit out of.

by TheTank123 on May 29, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fine, I admit I was being a bit hasty.

I have no interest in a flame war, Tank, so I say we just let bygones be bygones. But you’re really gonna rub people the wrong way if you go around calling people haters like you did to me and pdb – it’s not all that far from trolling. You’re not a troll, obviously, as you’re clearly contributing some valuable things to the discussion here. But if you have a problem with what someone says, be clear, straightforward, and respectful in your first response – only go for the mockery and sarcasm if you get continuously met with disrespect. It makes for a much more pleasant environment.

by Decatur on May 29, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, but there are plenty of ways to defend your team without insulting the other people in the thread.

Especially when it’s the first comment you make on the thread. Or am I misunderstanding your point, ac?

by Decatur on May 29, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A little.

I’m not defending Tank but to ask someone to be the picture of civility when there’s an entire thread bashing their team seems unlikely.

by acblue on May 29, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Respect

And no, that was not a sarcastic respect in relation to your last sentence. Actual respect :-)

by TheTank123 on May 29, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

 I said the guy who called Ronaldo “He-Who-Flops” yet can’t name more than three players on either team “unreal”. A) Calling someone out in soccer for flopping is absurd. Every single player on the damn field flops. It’s part of the game. B) How in the world is Ronaldo “He-Who-Flops”? Has anyone here seen Drogba play? Flopping might be his single greatest offensive attribute.

And yeah, I think the “hate” for ManU is pretty funny. It’s just like hating on the Yankees for being good.

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 10:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Be serious here Graham

Diving is absolutely part of the game. You may not like it but it’s part of it (I certainly would like it gone, but what I want is irrelevant)

 It’s just like watching Paul Pierce throw one of those ugly head fakes to get a guy in the air and then jumping into him. It may not be the classiest way to go about it, but its part of the game.

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Diving is cheating in my books, and far more obnoxious than PEDs in baseball

But I’ve been a defender my whole life, so I’m pretty heavily biased towards wanting strikers to beat defenders fair and square.

And I have no idea what on earth you mean about Paul Pierce so I’m going to assume it’s a basketball thing.

by Graham on May 28, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If Pierce is able to get a defender to bite on a headfake, that's the defender's fault.

If a striker goes down without being touched, that’s cheating. It’s no different than the flopping that Reggie Evans used to do. Exaggerating contact to beg for an unwarranted call is classless cheating.

by abender20 on May 28, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So here's my question:

Does it work? It is not pretty to see as a fan but it is effective in propelling your team to victory. There’s a reason people do it. Whether or not we “like” it is irrelevant.

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So is time wasting

No one had a problem with Eto’o laying on the ground for 10 minutes after he scored. The referee dealt with the situation properly by telling him to hurry his ass up, not throwing around yellows.

You play/played. You should know as well as anyone that soccer isn’t a cut and dry type sport.

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. 10 minutes?

That’s amazing that he was allowed to get away with that!

by Matthew on May 28, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excessive celebrations are not the same as trying to hoodwink the referee

Players have been sent off and suspended due to having divers throw themselves to the floor when brushed. Celebrations cost what, 30 seconds of time (and since United tend to get an extra 4 minutes when behind doesn’t it all even out?).

Diving also makes it much harder for referees to call real fouls for penalties. Play the ball, play each other, don’t screw around with the referee.

by Graham on May 28, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Graham...

I mean I don’t really know how else I can say it. I know it’s illegal. We all know its illegal. That doesn’t change the fact that it happens and will continue to happen. Just because it’s technically illegal doesn’t mean it’s effect on the game can be ignored, for good or bad.

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And sorry

I’m not sure what argument I’m changing. If you mean about the Paul pierce example, then yeah, you owned me.

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh,

You pretty much went from “there’s nothing wrong with cheating if you’re not going to get in trouble” to “cheating happens.” Nobody’s disputing the latter.

by Teej on May 28, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Errr

Is there anything wrong with cheating (IN the game) if you don’t get caught? Morally? Absolutely. In sports? Absolutely not. Morals get thrown out the window when you are playing the most popular sport in the world on the biggest stage. Those guys fight and claw every single day to be that much better than their opponent. If FIFA is going to turn a blind eye or only make half ass attempt to curtail something, are you really telling me that a player shouldn’t take advantage of it?

I do make the distinction when the introduction of foreign substances occurs (PED, Spitballs, PAM spraying football jerseys) but it would be like getting all up in arms because an Offensive Tackle is holding all game. It happens, people accept it as part of the game, and they get past it.

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

That is absolutely not what I’m saying and you know that.

Answer a question for me: M’s win the World Series and it turns out they were stealing signs. MLB knows about it, everyone reports on it, absolutely nothing comes of it. Do you not consider them to be World Series champions?

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is what you said though

Morals get thrown out the window when you are playing the most popular sport in the world on the biggest stage.

Morals = playing by the rules. If there were no rules there wIf the M’s win the World Series by blatantly stealing signs, they still technically won the World Series, but it would be tainted in the same way that McGwire’s 70 and Bonds’ 72 are. Does that matter? I don’t know. But still.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on May 28, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah man

But it can’t end with “but still”. In an idealistic world where everyone did everything the “right” way it would be abhorrent. But that’s not the world we live in. Reality is that you do what you can to win. Michael Jordan is notorious for being one of the scummiest basketball players on the planet, yet he’s revered as the greatest of all time.

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

That pushoff against Russel on his most iconic shot wasn’t against the rules?

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You do what you can to win within the rules, though

which is Graham’s whole point, and one with which I agree. Diving is not within the rules.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on May 28, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It'd be pretty easy to make diving go away forever.

Just suspend everyone who does it. Don’t leave it up to the referee. Have league officials watch each game afterwards and if a player goes down without contact looking to draw a foul, he’s done for a game.

Ta-da!

by Graham on May 28, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ok...?

But that hasn’t happened and it’s been a problem for years. Until it does, flopping is a darn good way to get an easy advantage.

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not disputing that

I just happen to have a different definition of ‘part of the game’ than you do. Meta-gaming the sport is something that deeply offends me, whether it benefits my team (hi Didier) or not.

by Graham on May 28, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Does the concept of a sports rivalry mean nothing to you?

As an Arsenal fan, I have several legitimate reasons to hate Man Utd, going back to the 1999 FA Cup semi-final and Ryan Goddamn Giggs.

Don’t assume motivations from people unless you get to know them first. Thanks.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on May 28, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

Assume motivations? I simply said you were drinking haterade. And, in fact, you admit to being a hater.

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I dislike Man Utd for many reasons arising from matches over the years

none of which include “they’re like the Yankees”.

Haterade? Really?

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on May 28, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

If you feel the need to scold me, please do it through PM. I understand this is your website but there’s no need to speak to me like a child. I am not doing anything uncivil.

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh...

ok.

Nice Guys Finish Third - My semantics are a waste of time.

by pdb on May 28, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had a very nice journey home from work tonight since the United victory parade, which had already been planned earlier in the week, was cancelled.

You know what that’s called you arrogant rat faced retards? That’s right – hubris. Fuck you all.

I hope City’s owners buy United, and utterly destroy them and turn Old Trafford into the worlds biggest toaster.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on May 28, 2009 10:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

On a semi-related subject...

does anyone know anything about collegiate soccer? Are UCLA and Santa Clara quality programs?

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

My nephew played in the Development Academy showcase over Memorial Day and his coach was contacted by UCLA and Santa Clara. He’s very excited.

by TheTank123 on May 28, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I mean, their RPI this year was 30 or 33 or 35, out of what, a few hundred?

That’s good, but it’s just odd how the balance of power has shifted to the ACC and other eastern schools at the moment.

by marc w on May 28, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I took a look at the top 15 and saw a lot of East Coast schools there. From what my nephew tells me, there’s a huge amount of talent coming out of Florida. A lot of the athletes down there are going for soccer instead of football. Not necessarily the most touch or skill, but athletically freakish.

by TheTank123 on May 29, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

squeeeeeee

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