20-24, Chart
by Matthew on May 23, 2009 10:11 PM PDT
in Seattle Mariners Game Recaps
Email
Print
The home run was really unneccesary.
154 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
A -69 for Lowe eh?
That’s how Sean Connery scored with your mom last night.
Any way in Lowe’s defense he was pitching 4/5 last days including a 2 inning stint yesterday. I knew when we put Lowe out there it was gonna be bad. He was overworked and they should’ve put Morrow in or something don’t blame Wak too much for using Lowe especially since he’s been pretty effective his last few outings but Mark Lowe shouldn’t had been on the mound tonight.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
That turned out pretty well.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
Home runs against us usually are, unnecessary.
Olson pitched a respectable game. The offense was, once again, offensive.
Waiting to spit out the "Doublemint Twins".
Redman and Carp!
I vote we just bring them up from Tacoma to play SS and 2B. It’s not like they can really be any worse defensively than the Blunder Twins.
Actually that would look worse I'm pretty sure.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
I would agree with this.
It might look worse at first, but we need to look forward, what we’ve got now clearly isn’t working and any experience we can give Carp and Redman might pay off for 2010, 2011…
Waiting to spit out the "Doublemint Twins".
by Sinking Away on May 23, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Do we not have any replacement infielders in the organization?
Waiting to spit out the "Doublemint Twins".
by Sinking Away on May 23, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Chris Woodward?
"You're so beautiful. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job."
...and is not Jose Lopez or Yuniesky Betancourt.
Just a thought.
"You're so beautiful. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably still have to keep your normal job."
Whoopdie goddamned doodle
People need to realize that even though Yuni and Lopez are bad they’re not the worst baseball players on the planet.
by Aaron Campeau on May 24, 2009 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
I’ve been out of town for a week. Did we really trade them and for what and why?
by Sinking Away on May 23, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't we have to work with what we've got?
In all seriousness, if we could get rid of the doublemint twins (who aren’t worth anything that I can see) and give Carp and Redman some experience, wouldn’t we be in a better boat?
by Sinking Away on May 23, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Carp would be a disaster in the middle infield. Prentice Redman is an outfielder who has played the infield one time in his career (from what I can tell).
I understand what you’re getting at, but it’s not a video game where you can just plug guys into any position. This would be a disaster.
FIRST BASEMEN AND CORNER OUTFIELDERS CAN'T PLAY THE MIDDLE INFIELD
IF THEY COULD BRIAN LAHAIR WOULD BE A STAR
by Aaron Campeau on May 24, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to give you credit.
You at least picked right-handed throwing OFers to convert into middle IFers. So while the idea’s still pretty dumb, it’s not as potentially dumb as it could be. LH throwing 2B and SS would be, um, amusing.
by eponymous_coward on May 24, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Not anyone who's going to help anytime soon.
If only Callix Crabbe were any good. :(
by Postureduck on May 23, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Redman isn't a prospect but
with the team struggling this badly I would willing to give him a shot. He does have an OPS of .1000.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on May 23, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
No not really.
Actually maybe… Just maybe if it’s tripping over their feet and falling on their faces every play then I guess yes it maybe be kinda funny.
You got slurved!
Free Tommy Hanson! Free Jeff Clement! Free Michael Saunders!
Friendly tip:
Using the reply button that’s below each comment helps a lot around here. Makes the conversations a lot easier to read. It nests each comment underneath the one it’s responding to. Pretty sweet feature.
Do we have a single legitimate All-Star?
Or are we the team that gets one because every team has to have at least one player? Who is it? Clearly, I’m in a mood tonight. Ichiro is always a good bet, but… We’ve got some great defensive players, but our offense sucks so much. Why can’t Beltre play like he wants a contract next year? Why do we continue to send Yuseless and Loafie out there every night, both in the field and at the plate? Griffrey gets a pass, his only job is to put butts in the seats. Branyan, Gutz and Endy are doing what we expected. Joh is Joh. I wish Felix was what he could be every night. Washburn is better than expected. Silva is Silva. The Ministry is the Ministry. Balentien probably needs more playing time. Wak still hasn’t figured out the best line-up (although without more LHBs he’s running uphill). Please, Z, make this season worth watching. It’s been so long or it seems like it’s been so long.
Waiting to spit out the "Doublemint Twins".
Actually, Branyan has a decent case
He’s certainly behind Cabrera and Morneau, but one could make a strong case for him over Pena and Texeira, were they inclined to look at only this year’s results.
Bedard is an interesting case – his production per inning is as strong as anyone after Greinke and Halladay (and maybe Verlander), but his lack of innings hurts his cause.
No and no
We don’t really have a legitimate All-Star if you’re simply going by merit and nothing less, but Ichiro will almost assuredly be elected to start the game again, meaning we won’t be one of those teams who has someone added to the reserves or the pitching staff just because they need a representative.
And he's still third best, at best, at his position in the AL
I’d be surprised if his defense is better than Cabrera’s or Morneau’s either.
Well if you go by the limited 2009 UZR data, Cabrera's better!
I have a feeling that might not be true all season.
Well, at least the Angels lost
Will Ferrell once said, "Get up you crazy black man, I'm gonna make you drink my piss!"
This is wonderful news.
I just CANNOT let them win this division again with a mediocre team. I don’t think I can take it. Something has to be done. Something.
The Rangers could win this sorry division, would that make it more palatable?
by Sinking Away on May 23, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd prefer the A's if it can't be us, but I'm OK with Texas.
At least they’re exciting to watch. I want to be inside Elvis Andrus.
I think it's not going to be the A's, I don't think they aren't going anywhere.
I totally agree that Elvis is impressively good, but we’ve got great outfield defense. If we could just upgrade the middle infield defense (even without adding much offensively) we could probably keep up with the Angels (yeah, I live in a glass half full world), I think we could have the pitching to keep us in this. I think Carp and Redman would not be any worse than Yuni and Lopez. Why do you think I’m wrong here?
by Sinking Away on May 23, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Because they cannot play the middle infield.
Mike Carp is playing the easiest position on the field, and he’s so-so by most accounts. Are you just going to move him to shortstop, the toughest spot on the field? Mike Carp playing shortstop is . . . I’m seriously laughing just thinking about it. Yuni sucks as a shortstop, but he’s miles beyond these guys as an infielder.
Are you really proposing that Carp and Redman should play middle infield for the Mariners?
Here’s the defensive spectrum.
You can’t take a player who is average at best at their respective position and move them way up the spectrum and expect anything resembling passable defense.
Defense matters.
Yet we trot out Yuni and Lopez out there most every game.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on May 23, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
In my head you're talking, the narrator voice is still up in the air though
I’ve been toying with James Earl Jones but it screws up the pace in a fast thread
At least it might be entertaining unlike
the isomnia curing crapfest that is going on right now.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on May 24, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
What is this based on?
Yuni and Lopez leaps and bounds better than what? They aren’t better than any replacement level player that I can figure.
by Sinking Away on May 24, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Well the Skip Schumaker experiment has been such a resounding success I can see why you might want to try this.
Why not give Cedeno a shot first?
Mike Carp's defense at 2nd would not be replacment level.
It would be an absolute disaster. I’d rather just play with 7 men if this was our last option.
Triunfel's probably still a couple years away
and not sure if he’ll ever play the MIF in the bigs
by seattlebruin on May 25, 2009 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I totally agree that defense matters.
I’ve read so much that Clement is the poster boy for what the Mariner’s need this year. I’m so sick of people wanting to see Clement. He isn’t a defensive catcher. Carp is not the best defensive 1B we have either. Redman is CF and not a middle infielder. But if people can beg for Clement, I would like to give Carp and Redman the chance to do better than Yuni and Lopez. It’s a chance. They’re cheap. No, neither one of them would be playing their given position, but Yuni and Lopez are playing their regular position in a substandard fashion. They are slackers on defense and hackers on offense. 2009 is time to find out what the Mariners can and will do. Lose the doublemint twins and try something that might work better. In balance, I don’t believe either Carp or Redman will be a minus when you balance out their defense and offense from what we are currently getting from Yuni and Lopez.
by Sinking Away on May 24, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
You have to remember.
When we say Lopez and Yuni suck at defense we are comparing them to other middle infielders, we’re not saying Jack Cust and Prince Fielder would be a better double-play duo. You can’t just take any player and say they are better at defense than Lopez and Yuni, putting Mike Carp at 2nd would kill any offensive value he would bring to the team.
Lopez and Yuni suck at defense compared to Jason Bartlett and Adam Everett, not Mike Carp and John Kruk.
I guess I disagree.
To me, Yuni and Lopez suck way more than you think they do. I think almost anybody would be better in their spots, especially, people who could add something with their bats.
by Sinking Away on May 24, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
You know how opinions aren't supposed to be wrong?
I think you have just invalidated that assumption.
by Mariner John on May 24, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I get what you're all saying. So why do you love Clement so much?
Why does the FO get so much heat for leaving him in Tacoma? He’s a crappy catcher. Maybe, and I mean maybe he can hit MLB pitching, but he’s still a miserable catcher. I’m just trying to figure out this site and I don’t mean to be obnoxious at all, but I’ve read nothing but “We love Clement and we need his bat right now” since spring training. I don’t see him as a better prospect against RHP than Carp, who may also be miserable at a middle infield position. I was just suggesting that he move from 1B to 2B and use his LHB to his advantage in a lineup that would seem to need that.
by Sinking Away on May 24, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You realize that Clement is only miserable compared to other catchers and no other random players who have never caught, right?
If you put Carp behind the plate Clement would quickly look like the greatest defensive player of all time.
Jeff Clement has actually caught in his career.
Mike Carp has never played 2nd plus catcher defense is kind of hard to judge, I think we’d all agree that Clement isn’t very good at defense but it’s still a hard position to judge nonetheless.
Also we have Rob Johnson on the team who can’t hit or play defense, so might as well replace him with someone who can at least hit.
I said nothing about Clement.
Your argument is simply dumb.
by Mariner John on May 24, 2009 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Or to actually answer your question
We do not want Clement to be called up to play somewhere where he’s never played. He has played catcher probably since he was 7. Mike Carp probably hasn’t been agile enough to play second base since Little League. Calling up Carp to play 2nd is like getting a chance to have George Carlin (ok, Mike Carp isn’t anywhere near as awesome at baseball as Carlin was at life but this makes more sense than your point) perform for a night and choosing to have him play jazz. At least he’ll be better than Kenny G!
by Mariner John on May 24, 2009 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Here is the thing.
Almost any middle infielder would be better in their spots not any player. They’re bad at their positions compared to people that play their positions, their not bad at it compared to DH’s and catchers.
Skip Schumaker is a player who's never played the infield professionally and he's something like 15 runs worse than Yuni projected over 162 games
and he has the prototyical body of a secondbaseman. Even though he is hitter reasonably well, he’s worse than replacement because of his defense
Carp or whoever would be much much worse on both sides of their game. You assumptions have no basis is reality.
What are you talking about? He has only one error in 32 games! Don't be drinkin' that Haterade!
The softest, surest hands you’ll ever see…with a -30 UZR/150 – and what the hell, he has a -122.25 UZR/150 in 47 innings in the OF this year? I’ve never seen any UZR/150 that bad, no matter how small the sample size.
No, I would put a pitcher at third base.
It would be a blow to the defense, but it would be worth it.
I'm so confused
Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org
No, not seriously.
But it sure might be more entertaining.
by Postureduck on May 24, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I know there aren't a lot of options but
something had got to be changed. The team as constructed right now just isn’t going to score.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
has*
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on May 23, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Ackley can't get here soon enough.
Hopefully he will erase the memory of Lopez..
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
This seems to be an odd prevailing thought.
Why does everybody assume Ackley ends up at second base?
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on May 24, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
They're assuming we'd have a logjam of OF players? Or something
by Graham MacAree on May 24, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I've heard lots of people saying it though.
Some in context to the Mariners and some not. Peter Gammons seems convinced he’s the next Chase Utley.
Fans are typically idiots.
by The Typical Idiot Fan on May 24, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
He just had TJ surgery. There are fears that his arm can't handle outfield play.
I don’t know how much concern is warrants, but that’s what it is.
How the heck did I get a warning
All I have done is lurk, this is my first post.
And for what its worth, I am digging this site…one of the best on SB Nation
Tommy Lasorda HATES GIANTSBOARD.COM
Cut and Pasted Blog redundancy can be a good thing
Say Hey! Say Who? Say Willie, that Giant Kid is Great!
Why do you hate the Mariners?
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on May 24, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Those are all ridiculous things to base that thought off of.
Will Ferrell once said, "Get up you crazy black man, I'm gonna make you drink my piss!"
Right, we aren't anywhere near the playoffs.
And this year, we never were.
by Sinking Away on May 24, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
There are some days when I'm glad when I get slammed at work and don't get to see the game.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.430 wOBA, 21 years old.
Report from Cheney
*RR-S didn’t look great but pitched 4 innings giving up only 1 run on a solo homer. He only threw 49 pitches. He was behind in the count a fair bit, but got a lot of soft flyball outs. No walks, 1 strikeout.
*Chris Shelton is kind of fat and really shouldn’t be playing 3B. LaHair didn’t really have a chance to look awful in RF.
*Jeff Clement looks short up close and personal. Mike Morse (2B tonight), on the other hand, looks like some kind of gangly giant.
*Saunders laid down a sexy bunt single and had a nice running catch in RF
Seriously people, taking stock of what the fuck is actually happening.
Last year’s team lost 101 games. We started Miguel Fucking Cairo at 1B. Our OF defense was a joke. Zduriencik came in and traded a broken closer for two thirds of our outfield, our fourth best starter and a middle infielder we’re all dying to see get more playing time. The Mariners are reasonable competitive and are moving in the right direction. Yes, our offense if bad, What the fuck were you expecting? Jesus Tapdancing Christ. Take this season for what it is. Calling for corner outfielders and first basemen to replace our middle infield? We’re way fucking smarter than that. I hope.
by Aaron Campeau on May 24, 2009 2:03 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Screw outfielders and first basemen.
We should be playing our pitchers as our 2B and SS. I think Carlos Silva would make an excellent 2B.
Uh…
You forgot Garret Olson
Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org
I wonder how many runs we will score between now and...
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
I can't stop laughing at this crap
It is so retarded it hurts.
by jimmylauderdale on May 24, 2009 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Fuck cheezburger night. Are they going to give away cats, cheesburgers, or just retarded lolcats memorabilia?
I vote for cats. I would take a free cat if it was handed to me.
I hope you die. I hope we BOTH die.
You Stupid Cat
Tommy Lasorda HATES GIANTSBOARD.COM
Cut and Pasted Blog redundancy can be a good thing
Say Hey! Say Who? Say Willie, that Giant Kid is Great!
Easy solution:
Since we’re the home team, change the rules so that if one of our middle infielders gets a glove on a ball, it’s an automatic three outs and ends the inning.
Voila, Prentice Redman and Mike Carp are now the best defensive middle infielders ever. All our problems are solved. I call this the F’n A’s-Sinking Away solution.
by eponymous_coward on May 24, 2009 7:48 AM PDT reply actions
A summary on the intelligent stance to offence and defence in player evaluation
We do not favour one over the other. All we do is allow both aspects of play to inform a decision.
Therefore playing a +20 bat/-60 glove player over a -10/-10 player would be dumb, but playing a +20/-20 player over a -20/-10 player would not be dumb. See how easy that is?
Ummm, what?
I think I just lost IQ points reading this thread. Mike Carp and Redman in the middle infield? Really?
Why not just trot out a whole lineup of little people and have the opposing pitchers walk them due to a miniscule strike zone. See, I can throw out a ridiculous idea based on an illogical thought too.
What happened to the quality posters? I have been here 4 plus years in various forms (thanks to the SBN switch I lost my username) and this thread wants to make me bake special brownies just to make it go away.
"The Lord spared the fitten and the rest he seen fitten to die."
Lincoln’s reference to growing up in Hardin County, Kentucky (now Larue County)
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- Marlins agree to unretire No. 5 for Logan Morrison, who will honor his father’s favorite player
- Weatherman Derek Holland does Dallas TV
- Ask Alex: Will Julio Teheran or Matt Moore win rookie of the year?
- Ku Klux Klan, umpires and bowling: Why the minor leagues tossed out Jim Evans academy
- The Cardinals Hall of Fame can now be found at Bill Clinton’s library in Arkansas (Huh?)
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
