16-19, Chart
by Jeff Sullivan on May 14, 2009 1:50 PM PDT
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Biggest Contribution: King Felix, +51.0%
Biggest Suckfest: Brandon Morrow, -87.1%
Most Important AB: Balentien double, +9.5%
Most Important Pitch: Davis homer, -69.1%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): -24.3%
Total Contribution by Lineup: -25.7%
Total Contribution by Opposition: 0.0%
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I was just going to lie in the fetal position and suffocate
but soda water seems easier.
and less suffocatey
but potentially more drowney. Pick your poison, I guess.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I was amazed that it even worked yesterday
by Graham MacAree on May 14, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
it's like the river, it just keeps on flowing
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Let's see if this works again
Everyone on that site is a fag.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 14, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I do!
oh wait, that wasn’t a question
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
All the LSB commenters are bigger faggots than Mike Young and Mike Young takes it up the butt and likes to dress up as a twelve year old girl and blow Vietnamese buisnessmen and pays to preform such a service.
by Poochie on May 14, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your self-righteousness upsets me as it disrupts the harmonious fabric of my inner peace
by Graham MacAree on May 14, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I bring a conciliatory offer of goodwill
by Matthew on May 14, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you for the humility you have shown in this gesture of goodwill
by Graham MacAree on May 14, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I can't see this thread any more through my tears of happiness
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 14, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, that one is totally true though.
How is that baiting?
Some of the students at the Baylor College of Medicine smell bad
by Jeff Sullivan on May 14, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Arlington is the Tacoma to Dallas' Seattle
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Or the East St Louis to St Louis', uh, St Louis
this is more challenging than it seems it should be.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Umm...we all agree on this.
But Arlington also happens to be in between Ft. Worth and Dallas (and close to a few other city/suburbs)
by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That's more like Ft. Worth.
Arlington is more like Everett.
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm...
…that is good to know. Thanks for the heads up!
by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
That sounds like...
…either a great Greek snack or a cause for lots of deodorant.
by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Mmm, but the beer still tasted amazing out of the Stanley Cup!
by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, yes you did.
Not that I really want to get into a flame war, but I figure I can at least force you to be more creative/effective with your baiting.
by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll be more creative when I get home from work
Right now I have to come up with something witty in between supervisor fly-bys.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 14, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Shiner Bock is a better cheap beer...
…than Budweiser and Coors.
But St. Arnolds is the best Texas beer anyways…
by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Who on earth drinks Budweiser and Coors?
by Graham MacAree on May 14, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Well...Amuhricans?
Also, people with a need for large volume of beer and not a lot of dollars?
Not all of us are lucky enough to have Newcastle be the local swill.
by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Shiner Bock for a buck a bottle in Austin bars? When usually the dollar beer is something like PBR or something else nearly as undrinkable (basically, drink it while it’s cold and hold your nose)? Sign me up, please.
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
It took me a while to understand why people would drink Bud Light or Coors Light…you WANT to water down that “flavor”.
by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
There could be an opportunity here
Someone should try and get Hamilton, Morrow, and a baggy of caster sugar in the same room and see what happens
Wheeeeeeee.
Mariners win expectancy charts would make the most awesome roller coasters ever.
I want a loop
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on May 14, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Player BB sucks.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on May 14, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I checked the score in the 8th, when it was 2-0
and I thought, ok, Felix is due, this should be in the bag now. Boy, was I wrong.
Jesus catfucking Christ, I didn't even realize there was a game on.
And now, I’m thrilled to have missed it.
Brandon Morrow to the salt mines, please.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
Apparently Diabeetus leads to suckitis.
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
and less
dude from walker, texas ranger
by kevinkinsler on May 14, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
So, you prefer losing the game in the 3rd inning as opposed to the 9th?
I suppose there’s merit in no hope as opposed to false hope.
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Good thing that the one thing all our suckass hitters are good at is hitting mediocre LHP.
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
He did just throw a complete game shutout aginst the CHW his previous start
but I understand the logic
Let's put it this way...
Jarrod Washburn also is pitching well over his last several starts.
…
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
And yet I am fairly sure I would keep Harrison
over Washburn
Right before 3 starts ago the Ranger pitching coach finally got him to change his approach and dramatically quicken his pace in game. He was on the verge to losing his rotation spot to Derek Holland. Looks like it worked. The difference is night and day.
That's because Harrison isn't going to cost anyone millions of dollars.
89-91 MPH mediocre heat, fast worker, flyballer, left hander? Hi, meet Jarrod Washburn, or any other number of finesse lefties.
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
you do realize he is 6th in
Average FB velocity for LH SP this season right?
91.2 vs. 88.3
pretty huge difference for a lefty. I don’t think he totally falls into the finesse category. That would mean Johan Santana, Erick Beddard, Wandy Rodriquez and Scott Kazmir all fall in the “finesse lefties” catergory since they have a lower average FB velocity than Harrison.
Does Harrison actually have any secondary stuff?
I haven’t paid him any attention at all
by Graham MacAree on May 14, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
change is OK, slider is getting there
He is a guy that tops out a #3 starter initially based on scouting reports, but it seems like he has finally figured how to use both sides of the plate and more importantly is willing to throw inside.
That Texiera deal was an absolutely fleecing.
I'm not sure you should get your hopes up until he faces a real offence
by Graham MacAree on May 14, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
CG SO of CHW the game before...
and a 5 innings of SO ball before that…
Not entirely for sure what happened. He went for being Dr. Jeckel/Mr. Hyde last year to looking like he got some thing figured out.
Most of it it hink has to do with really learning to pitch
Harrison had an ERA around 3 last year in his W and an ERA around 13 in his losses and ND.
It is not like the kid doesn’t have the stuff, being consistent has always been problem. The 4th inning was a pretty good example of what would happen last year as a whole. He would bust guys in for most of the game and then fall in love with trying to get guys to chase away and stop throwing inside.
ERA is not a good stat for judging pitchers
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
you would be really suprised how the spread between
wins and loss ERA’s fall.
2 runs, 3 runs feasible or even 5 runs but 10 runs is not. I am having a hard time finding guys that have a spread over 5 or 6.
Roy Halladay about 2 runs difference. Washburn in his horrbile season las year had a 5, Bedard last year a 3.5, Felix a 3.3. Washburn’s rookie year was a 4.2 spread
But a number around 10?
The best examples I have found with a sample size of 15 or more starts as a rookie have been Fransico Lirano, (10+), Kershaw (7+), Phillip Hughes 6.5, J. Saunders (22!), Rich Harden (10) …
Humm, this might be a real interesting large scale study. I am having a hard time finding guys that had such dramatic splits that have totally disappeared.
Well trchinally all of the current metrics have thier flaws
tERA, FIP, ERA, all have their detractors, and the funny part, they all fall along the same lines this kid.
he is almost like Wandy Rodriquez in his ability to be absolutely frustrating at times and then other times amazingly brilliant. More than anything else, he is a guy that needs or maybe needed to learn hiw to really pitch and not throw.
Wasburn is well past that part of his pitching education. Trying to compare the 2 is asinine.
So Jarrod Washburn burst forth upon the earth fully formed in 2009? Or 2005?
Jarrod Washburn had a career BEFORE he became a Seattle Mariner. As a matter of fact, he even had a better fastball in his 20’s than he does now, as I recall.
You’re trying to turn a guy who was striking out 6-7 guys per 9 IP in the minors into a top-of-rotation starter. Erik Bedard, as a minor league pitcher, and one of your comps, struck out 11 guys per game through HIS minor league career, and has a MLB strikeout rate per 9 IP of 8-9.
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
It has nothing to do with K rates
and I am not trying to turn the guy into a top of the rotation pitcher. You are the one who said he was a finesse lefty. He is not. He has above average FB velocity for a LH SP. Thats it.
He is a pitch to contact guy. That doesn’t make him a finesse pitcher, or an extreme GB guy, or a strike out guy. He pitches to contact. He doesn’t live off of his off speed stuff, he doesn’t try to strike everyone out, his goal is to get you to get yourself out.
The fact that the other guys named had a slower average velocity doesn’t make them finesse lefties either. It is more to prove the point that thinking his velocity and Washburn’s are anything close to being similar.
Forgetting velocity for a moment
Matt Harrison throws fewer than 60% strikes and misses fewer than 5% bats. He might have some potential in there, but to date, he’s been awful.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 14, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
And yes I understand that this means our offense is worse than awful but hey, no shit
by Jeff Sullivan on May 14, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The unbridled Harrison optimism
is coming from a nice stretch of pitching by him that follows a terrible, terrible stretch. Rangers colored glasses show that he turned a corner, skeptics say it’s just luck, I’m assuming/hoping that it’s somewhere in between.
I don’t think anyone is claiming Harrison is a solid “no. 2 starter”, there’s just giddiness from him not being a flaming pile of suck.
by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
If he turned into Jarrod Washburn, that's not too bad.
Really, a career where you get a couple of pretty good seasons when you play behind a good defense and over 100 MLB decisions is pretty damned good. I think we’d be quite happy if Ryan Rowland-Smith had that kind of career (and even more so because unlike Washburn, RRS isn’t mostly an unlikeable douche).
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Especially considering the pricetag.
by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Against shitty offenses!
Wow, no fucking wonder.
So, this is a guy who struck out 6.5-ish guys a game in the minors, walked 2.5ish
He IS getting more grounders right now. (Then again, so is Washburn).
I still am not buying he’s particularly awesome. You can’t gauge how good someone is by how they perform against a struggling offense like ours.
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey look! I see the cellar approaching!
Worst to first! First to worst!
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.429 wOBA, 21 years old.
Having gotten up to speed here, I'm just amused now.
Grimly amused. Once again, I root for two terrible teams.
The Nationals would be happy to trade Proven Closer Kip Wells to the M’s if they want someone to replace Morrow!
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
Over the past 2 games...
Morrow is -1.5 win expectancy.
WOW.
Also:
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): -24.3%
Total Contribution by Lineup: -25.7%
Total Contribution by Opposition: 0.0%
The rangers did not win this game…we lost this game.
I think you're misunderstanding what those numbers mean
All that means is that the Rangers didn’t commit any errors that helped us along.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 14, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
And we have an easy homestand coming right up to help!
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on May 14, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
So I've given it some thought
and after everything that’s happened since March, I am about 90% sure that the clubhouse hates Brandon Morrow by now.
I cannot tell if I am angry or sad by all this.
...and now I'm here
=(
Big news out of camp. Moments ago, I spoke to Brandon Morrow after he’d thrown a bullpen session and he told me (and Shannon Drayer and Tim Booth of AP) that he plans to be a full-time closer from now on. Not just this month, not just this season. For good.
"I feel good about it,‘’ he said. "I feel back home.’’
...and now I'm here
Sweeney pies his face.
With real pie.
...and now I'm here
You can't walk people if you're dead.
Or give up game-losing walkoff HRs.
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Good.
I am currently drawing up plans for a gun that shoots Skittles. I’m going for enough velocity to penetrate the flesh, but not so hard that they pass straight through.
There are no tastebuds there!
How can I taste the rainbow?
by GhettoBear04 on May 14, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't get to see the game today..
But can anyone tell me how many innings Felix pitched?
And I hope to god the answer isnt 8..
Was his pitch count high?
I don’t see why, if he is pitching so well, they wouldn’t just let him earn his own win..
Of course it probably is better to bring in an 8th and 9th inning reliever.
Stop it
I will get confused. IU already have a hard enough time telling myself from seattlesundevil and seattlecougar
by seattlebruin on May 15, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, wait, it's all Wak's fault.
because he is calling every pitch from the dugout.
I’ve got to change the channel.
You motherfucker you just crashed my browser
by Graham MacAree on May 14, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
That was the perfect blend of happy and sad giffing
by Jeff Sullivan on May 14, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
The sad thing is, that's not slow motion.
He really is that slow.
...and now I'm here
Wow I don't remember this
Which year did this happen?
by appleshampoo on May 14, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
2005 or 2006 but really you should ask Robert
by Jeff Sullivan on May 14, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I do certainly hope he cried over this.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on May 14, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm wondering how many LL readers we've lost to seizures.
A moment of silence for our fallen epileptic comrades.
...and now I'm here
In my head, enjoying this and the gremlin gifs are mandatory for anyone who wants to thrive on LL
by Jeff Sullivan on May 14, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, the epilepsy-inducing factor here is... uh, whoa
Ian Curtis-esque.
Is it still baseball season here? I can’t watch these fuckers right now. Because why?
ignacio
I think LL gives Jeff migraines every day.
...and now I'm here
From the Yahoo (AP) recap:
Brandon Morrow: "I’ve got to start mixing pitches. I’m acting like a pitching machine out there."
Pitching machines usually throw strikes
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on May 14, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Shannon Drayer asked Felix about his velocity after the game
First off, I was right. Felix’s velocity being down was game plan. I flat out asked him, why not throw 96-97 to these guys today. Okay, so I set him up a little, but good answer anyway.
“A couple years ago I was a thrower, not a pitcher. Now I am a pitcher. I located all of my pitches today. I don’t want to throw 97 in the middle. I just want to go at the corners and throw my two seamers. They have a pretty good line up and you have to locate your pitches. Michael Young is a great hitter, you see that, two hits against me but if you get the other guys out it will be fine.”
Just finished watching the 9th inning.
The funny thing is I am apathetic to this recent skid. I guess it must be because I haven’t watched a game in a week. If I invested more time, I am sure I would be more frustrated.
The only person I feel sorry for is Felix. And Bedard. And Vargas. And Washburn. Seriously, the starting pitching has been great this season. The offense and the bullpen are annoying.
Is it okay to root for Morrow to continue to fail in the hopes it reverses this whole asinine closer idea.
Fear the NPE
I guess but you'd think the closer would be the last guy you'd want to see fail
by Jeff Sullivan on May 14, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me put it to you this way.
When JJ failed as a starter, he was able to be converted into a great reliever.
When Bobby Ayala failed as a reliever, he… well, got released.
by eponymous_coward on May 14, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
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