Well Gosh
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 8:08 PM PDT
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I just wish it were permissible for a manager to substitute one hitter in for another one.
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But Griffey had all of those good years back in the '90s!
I mean, he’s a living legend, right? He’s fucking clutch! He saved baseball in Seattle, for chrissakes! How can you sub him out when there’s a lefty on the hill? He fucking crushes lefties!
Free Jeffie!
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
by JLProck on May 13, 2009 8:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, we're currently not losing!
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.428 wOBA, 21 years old.
by Goose on May 13, 2009 8:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's it I quit.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on May 13, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
watching this team has ruined my optimism
and it will never recover.
by jtopps on May 13, 2009 8:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A letter to Josh Hamilton
Dear Josh,
Your career has certainly been interesting to follow. Talk about a comeback, after all you went through in the Rays organisation it’s almost a miracle that you’re producing at a near-MVP level for the Texas Rangers. How does it feel to be leading the AL West and being one of the most feared bats in the league? I hope your rib isn’t bothering you and you’re able to give it your all each game without feeling pain.
Onto the point of my letter, then:
Brandon Morrow’s insulin is not heroin. Please refrain from stealing random things that look like they might get you high in future (especially from visiting teams). Diabetes is a severe, sometimes debilitating condition and those suffering from it could do without their medicines being pilfered by someone just looking for a quick hit. Have some care and respect for those battling through this disease.
Yours sincerely,
-Graham
by Graham on May 13, 2009 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 24 recs
Idiot
I hope your nut sack falls off.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
by boomer1 on May 13, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously though.
What the fuck is up with all this LSB trolling? They seem to collect around Hamilton hate comments like flies gather around shit.
by Fin on May 13, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJM just babysits. He doesn't count as one of them.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.428 wOBA, 21 years old.
by Goose on May 13, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It happens everywhere if you aren't vigilant
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why LL has a strict policy on trolling
both by other fans coming here and by LLers at other blogs.
You troll, you’re banned. End of story.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whiiich is why I haven't been over to HH
in over a year.
by Coach Owens on May 13, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The majority of LSB's readership is way worse than HH but there are a few really smart posters there.
I’ve had really decent conversations there and I feel almost as bad for the two or three people that aren’t terrible as I do for Adam.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I'm not quite sure why they take so much offense to it, why do they try to protect him from insults?
I mean, come on – he’s a coke head.
"Get up you crazy black man, I'm gonna make you drink my piss!" - Will Ferrell.
by gregrabble on May 13, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
They should grow a sense of humor. Its not like we would flip shit if their Mod was talking shit about Morrow. We would probably just agree with them.
by Fin on May 13, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really didn't think me asking a question about it would cause such a shitstorm from both sides.
File that under “life lesson learned,” I guess.
by Inkara1 on May 13, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, we're pretty much doing nothing but laughing about it.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A shitstorm there and giving the ban cannon a workout here, then?
by Inkara1 on May 13, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's good to run every once in awhile.
Make sure the batteries aren’t dead.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait. I get warned for making a joke about a LSB invasion, and these guys get off scott-free?
It’s not fair, I tellya.
by Taylor H on May 13, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite warning of all time was
“You shall be modded before Robert”
by JI on May 13, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My favorite banning message was
“Boxed, is lupus”
by JI on May 13, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I used to get boxed three times a week back in the golden era of LL
by JI on May 13, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's not true
I still think of ASUBoyd as ‘Angry Gomez’
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
Thank god.
Now I can finally rec this.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well not as much as the Goofus and Gallant at least.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the rule was height=300 and I did that
What size should I have used?
by Inkara1 on May 13, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well your image got cut off on the right
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should we call the rule...
Height or width, whichever is bigger, limited to 300?
by Inkara1 on May 13, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That works
Height is really the biggest concern of ours, though, so horizontal dimensions don’t need to be strictly regulated.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have stated before that the general guideline is:
no more than 300 pixels tall and don’t make it wider than the screen. Also, always preview.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You better bet your bottom dollar!
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coffee table book!
I actually would like to see my list
by JI on May 13, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good because formatting is an annoyance
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if I'll ever find the character limit in a warn message
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a limit to flags and I've crashed the system before pushing it.
by Robert on May 13, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently if the warning is long enough you can't reach the OK button to dismiss it
I shall miss JI the most.
by Graham on May 13, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah! I'm here for this one!
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.428 wOBA, 21 years old.
by Goose on May 13, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
Free Jeffie!
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
by JLProck on May 14, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Responding to obvious baiting makes you seem sad.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on May 13, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
"Get up you crazy black man, I'm gonna make you drink my piss!" - Will Ferrell.
by gregrabble on May 13, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what else rises to the bait? BIG MOUTH BASS YEEEEHAAAAAAA
by Kermit. on May 13, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how many LSB'ers I'll ban over this one
by Graham on May 13, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go ahead. Make my day
Do you feel lucky?
Well, do ya? Punk?
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 13, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
That’s one way to hide from your problems.
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
by bioaggie on May 13, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another alternative would be doing cocaine
I’ve heard about a few baseball players involved in that lately
by Graham on May 13, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Google, cocaine + Hamilton don't register LL in the top 100 yet.
But he did kick nicotine apparently, that’s a tough bitch. The man might be a rock
by Kermit. on May 13, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not the first time Hamilton has been associated with rocks.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on May 13, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's a geologist too?!
He can do anything!
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on May 13, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a Street Geologist.
Went to the school of hard knocks.
by Fin on May 13, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like the school of hard....uh....Cocaine!
Crickets
by Coach Owens on May 13, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's easy to get a lot accomplished when you're high on cocaine.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on May 13, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Hamilton can crack rock with his bare hands, just like John Henry!
by Kermit. on May 13, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear his favourite pitch is the cutter
by Graham on May 13, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Check the rosin bag.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on May 13, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss having entertaining trolls.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.428 wOBA, 21 years old.
by Goose on May 13, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
F'nA's
Though he was just stupid.
Oh and the guy who said that HGH = steroids.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on May 13, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I liked FnA's
Manzell was humorous too.
But aren’t these guys all purported M’s fans?
by Omerta on May 13, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They weren't even trolls.
They just became belligerent after their participation was openly mocked. Funny as hell, though.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on May 13, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he start out well...
but then decided that Graham was his own personal enemy?
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on May 13, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just love yelling his name out loud like KHAAAN
SKOOOOOORBO!
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on May 13, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss PhilKenSebben
I know he wasn’t a troll here but he bombed the poor Blue Jays blog and that was that for him.
He had some good .gif moments.
by Omerta on May 13, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a clusterfuck that Bluebird Banter thing was.
by BrianL on May 13, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that the infamous Bluebird invasion I've heard so much about?
by Kermit. on May 13, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
More like a one man hailstorm. All we wanted to do was keep rincewind company but alas philken decided that was the day he was to go off the deep end.
by Omerta on May 13, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still kind of creeped out by what he did over there.
by BrianL on May 13, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy my radar is getting hot now, give me a rough estimate of the date so I can search this puppy?
by Kermit. on May 13, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it's gone.
(yes, I have gone looking for it before).
by Omerta on May 13, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that when he posted like 35 pictures of a pro wrestler flying into the WTC?
by Teej on May 13, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was the Fresh Prince gif
But maybe it was that.
by Fin on May 13, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was Chris Benoit, who had recently killed his family and himself, flying head first into the world trade center.
Jose Lopez roxxorz my boxxorz.
51!
by joof on May 14, 2009 3:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's right!
It was wrong on so many levels. And I’m still laughing.
by Teej on May 14, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was terrible, but I'm cracking up thinking about it.
Poor rincewind.
by Teej on May 13, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hilarious in that extremely uncomfortable "Oh my God I can't believe someone actually did that" way.
He absolutely lost his shit that day.
by BrianL on May 13, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't understand how that guy kept himself entertained by commenting to himself.
by Fin on May 13, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be totally honest.
That makes me really sad. I mean, Bluebird Banter’s a deeecent blog. The poor guy.
by Taylor H on May 13, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have felt this same burden myself
and it is indeed a weighty task.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That really did go pretty bad.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.428 wOBA, 21 years old.
by Goose on May 13, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He showed up in really annoying alternate accounts after he was banned.
There’s no reason to miss him.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he is still among us!
DUN DUN DUN
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on May 13, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably. I think I lost interest in continually banning him.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't usually like to bring those out for a guy trolling one site
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean one that you guys could use.
So he could create accounts on other sites just not here. I could see how that could cause problems, though.
by Coach Owens on May 13, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unforutantely for you he has his unlimited ammo cheat on and is firing away.
You got slurved bitch.
by Slurvey on May 13, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knew that Ranger fans were such sensitive skirt-wearing little girls
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't even have a drug problem as Ranger property
and I make Dany Heatley jokes.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He really shouldn't have practiced his wraparounds while driving
by Graham on May 13, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Frequently I might add.
Though so far not at our secret lair.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, you.
Yeah, you.
Graham.
Fuck you.
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 13, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This could pass as a Cummings poem if it wasn't for the capitals
Well done
by Graham on May 13, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
They're from Texas...keep in mind that they're all retarded
I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ
by Fuzz on May 13, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know the best thing that ever came out of Texas?
Interstate 35
by Kermit. on May 13, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, you.
Yeah, you.
Graham.
You’re delightful.
♥
by royalcurve on May 13, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This has been said many times but that heart is delightful.
I can’t believe I used delightful in a sentence but there you go.
by Kermit. on May 13, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whose cooler than AIDS? Graham, that's who...
I'm Ron Burgundy?
by Ryin A on May 13, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh, I like how all of the Ranger fans are
all of the Ranger fans are rising to the bait.
by Coach Owens on May 13, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AIDS is pretty fucking cool
What an interesting little virus
by Graham on May 13, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being trolled is already fun, but being trolled by dolts who don't understand basic contractions is particularly awesome.
by Teej on May 13, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, it doesn't even make sense.
Are you saying that Graham is cooler than something that’s pretty awful? I’m struggling to find the insult.
by Teej on May 13, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he was being clever and by saying I'm cooler than AIDS
meant I’m not cooler than AIDS!
by Graham on May 13, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He COULD care less!!!
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on May 13, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think too hard about it.
They didn’t.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on May 13, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either he mixed them up and meant to say that even AIDS is cooler than Graham.
Or he’s just an idiot.
by Coach Owens on May 13, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's pathetic. Let him go.
Like the little fish you caught, just throw him back in. Maybe he’lll grow up and you can catch him next season.
Waiting to spit out the "Doublemint Twins".
by Sinking Away on May 13, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No harm. No foul. So not worth it.
Waiting to spit out the "Doublemint Twins".
by Sinking Away on May 13, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad.
Waiting to spit out the "Doublemint Twins".
by Sinking Away on May 13, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn that one hurt.
I take pretty much nothing from this game outside of some nice flashes from Cedeno and Balentien.
Fuck you Brandon. You are nothing special in the closer’s role (so far). Get your shit together.
by Rudy4three on May 13, 2009 8:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was sure you guys had that one
Our reliever sucked it tonight. Our hitters couldn’t bat in the baserunners all game. I all but gave up.
Thanks for making it interesting Seattle!
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 13, 2009 8:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You should never give up when facing the Mariners.
by Teej on May 13, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, same with the Rangers
Don’t ever think you are done if your team is down 12-1 against Texas. You will come back to win 23-12, I guarantee it
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 13, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our offense is probably worse than your pitching
"Get up you crazy black man, I'm gonna make you drink my piss!" - Will Ferrell.
by gregrabble on May 13, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have argued with you last year
But, I think you may be right, at least for right now.
We’re headed to run out of gas sooner or later.
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 13, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just honest. And I know how the Rangers tank after the ASB
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 13, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's two months more than the Mariners.
They only give us a month of false hope.
by Fin on May 13, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's the old adage the Ranger score 10 runs, and still lose by one.
Speaks as much to the ballpark as the pitching. I wonder what the M’s legacy will be, hacker hacker swing?
by Kermit. on May 13, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like
It’s too bad pitchers or defense doesn’t score runs.
or
Opponent Scores! Game Over!
by Fin on May 13, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was sooo pissed last night. There were multiple story lines for a sports writer though
Offense fails, only scores one run!
Pitching fails gives up seven runs!
Maybe something about infield defense, but I didn’t watch the game. I just hoped every thing went through Yuni’s wickets ‘cause fuck Yuni that’s why
by Kermit. on May 13, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems that pitching one inning twice a week is a bad way to get used to where the fucking strike zone is.
by Teej on May 13, 2009 8:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This still beats 2008 by a mile.
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GOD DAMMIT!!!
Yes, we have a coupon.
by Crystal for DH on May 13, 2009 8:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember when he used to throw those bendy pitches.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on May 13, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me save you LSBers the trouble and just tell you how this goes
You sign up, you leave a comment, it probably sucks, it gets hidden, and you get banned. It’s really simple and people don’t really slip through the moderation cracks around here.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What if you have nothing to say but:
You don’t have anything inherantly against Mariners fans but kind of wish there was a civil Mariners blog on SBN to go to because your duties for other blogs take you to other teams’ sites?
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much like the common blowfish, we are civil unless provoked
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trolling in the GT
Plus I wasn’t done with my Josh Hamilton did drugs! meme from yesterday
by Graham on May 13, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will that be in the dead memes 2010 list?
Just curious.
by Inkara1 on May 13, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that this thread is the crowning glory
And now it dies
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Numerous members from LSB coming over here to our game threads to troll.
Plus the same last night.
Plus it’s happened before.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't the best response be just to ban trolls and not respond in turn?
That’s what I would hope the mods for any SBN blog I’m a part of do.
Or, if you’re going to post your own trash talk, deal with it when someone else responds. I’d prefer the former, but the latter, I would think, is better than posting some trash and then banning someone for firing back.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The responses are adorable and priceless though.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really, so good.
I love troll threads.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on May 13, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, I think Club LLs are a thing of the past.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on May 13, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe no one used popcorn.gif
I guess because JI isn’t here.
♥
by royalcurve on May 14, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am saddened that you have forgotten that popcorn gif was my import
by Matthew on May 14, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am ashamed of myself.
Also? YES!
♥
by royalcurve on May 14, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trolls are banned, immediately.
Then we proceed to mock them.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I someone goes to an opposing team's blog to trash talk
What do you think is going to happen? Pretty much any blog is going to trash the troll and then ban them. This isn’t rocket science or something exclusive to Lookout Landing.
by ThundaPC on May 13, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LSBers from yesterday and today
Show up with something reasonable to say and you’ll find that we can be quite nice. Two of the better posters here are Angel fans.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although I wonder about one of them
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eyebrows doesn't even like the Angels anymore
by Graham on May 13, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most people here don't like the Mariners most days.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on May 13, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're all rooting for the Pirates.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.428 wOBA, 21 years old.
by Goose on May 13, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am all for the Royals.
I am having my Ponson jersey overnighted.
by Fin on May 13, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strike-O-Matic
#03
I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ
by Fuzz on May 13, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buck was a fucking stud.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on May 13, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually went out and bought a personalized Royals tshirt with that on it
I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ
by Fuzz on May 13, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Matt Palmer complete game vs the Red Sox.
Hilarious.
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on May 13, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't take the bait laid out to catch the stupids I think you'll find it's entirely possible to have a civil conversation here
by Graham on May 13, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sure about that?
I live in Kennewick and I love Washington. I’ve lived plenty of other places, as well, and the northwest is the LAST place I would expect to have comments sections — writers included — to top even an Eagles blog for off-putting content.
I don’t defend trolls of any team. I’m among a few others who have told people at LSB that coming over her to troll is pretty retarded. But do you really think the content here is by and large what you’d call respectable by SBN standards?
I wouldn’t mind being proven wrong. I’ve thought of posting here before and stayed back for a reason.
(BTW, I made the Epic Ibanez Maneuver gif. Yes, that is off-topic.)
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a very distinct difference between the excellent front page content
and the sort of response that comes as a result of provocation after a tough game by a bunch of trolls.
by abender20 on May 13, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need to get your panties out of a bunch.
Its Mariners coverage with a hint of sarcasm.
by Fin on May 13, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a double standard.
Or at the very least pretty much in line with Fin. Except Fin targeted me specifically instead of an entire group of people.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sorry, that might've been harsh.
Basically what I was trying to say is the lighten up a little. What separates LL from the MSM is not only the usage of better stats, but also the non-PC commentary.
by Fin on May 13, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But don't you think you could stand to follow your own advice?
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You took the words right out of my wozzle
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm desperately afraid I'll fail that particular test so I don't even bother
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The content featured at Lookout Landing is some of the most in-depth analysis featured on all of SBN.
So, yes, it’s pretty damn respectable.
by BrianL on May 13, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LL has a serious side and it has a goofy off-color side.
If you cannot separate the two in your mind, then that’s going to be an issue for you here. The serious side here cannot be topped for baseball analysis. The off-color side will offend many many people. That’s just the way we are, but we do realize that we offend many people with it and keep it to ourselves here.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But how is that civil?
Especially when the writers themselves are trolling their own group.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible to have a civil conversation
It’s not possible to look at this whole blog and think ‘what a civil place’
by Graham on May 13, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are civil to people worth being civil to.
New people get respect when they arrive. How long you keep it is entirely up to the them.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you spend so much time calling the entirety of LSB garbage.
Take an honest step back: comparing LOL threads to LSB threads, do you think that sweeping generalization is warranted?
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Readability is among our highest priorities and with that in mind I consider LL a rousing success
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random huge pictures, chatspeak, +1s, no grammar or spelling requirements
Like I’ve said, I’m biased because people I find dumb don’t last long here, but there are just far more stupid people everywhere else, including LSB.
by Graham on May 13, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because seriously if you want good analysis and a completely different commenting culture that's the place for you
by Graham on May 13, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame the USSM mods for the poor quality of the USSM comments
by JI on May 13, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I spend some time on USSM.
I have some issues with Dave I’ll leave out of this discussion.
But, full disclosure, I’m editing for another SBN site (anyone who posts there knows but I don’t think which is a big deal), and so I’m more interested in SBN sites.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about outside of game day threads?
Don’t ask me to defend them. I’m a part of that to and have no issue with it.
I think you may also have a pretty high assessment of your group. At least you do admit bias.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of it stems from the fact that it has been made clear
that this website is NOT a “message board”, and as such there’s not a lot of “anything goes” trash talking about/between people. J/M/G try to enforce a higher standard of discussion here. Does it always work? No. But most of us try most of the time.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
This thread is an example of what happens when yesterday’s trollbombs happened. People have short fuses – as I explained last night, it’s just poor form to show up at your neighbor’s house and shit in their living room, and you can’t expect that we’d just take it with a smile and say “welcome trolls!”
Should we ignore trolls? Probably. Are we as bad as you seem to think? Not even close.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
And you’ll find plenty of LSB people over there who think the trolling is stupid as hell.
But I am pretty off-put by the writers — not just the commenters, the writers — trashing the entirety of other SBN blogs.
If AJM was shitting on Halos Heaven all the time, I’d be pretty annoyed by him, as well. He doesn’t. It’s part of why I really enjoy reading him.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something tells me that if cornered, AJM's opinion if his own sites comments wouldn't be much different that ours.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.428 wOBA, 21 years old.
by Goose on May 13, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a fairly intelligent person, as evidenced by his writings over at LSB
and, as has been discussed in this thread, the readability and general comment quality of LSB is very poor. So an intelligent person, such as Adam Morris, would probably not be 100% pleased by what goes on there.
Of course, I could be mistaken. But I’d say it’s a pretty good bet.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.428 wOBA, 21 years old.
by Goose on May 13, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever read anything other than gameday threads?
That are by their nature not particularly analytical.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on May 13, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well ignore this
I see this conversation is taking place in this thread and this question has already been asked. I don’t have time to read it all, but I do want to quickly sum up my thoughts on this and move along. Feel free to ignore me.
I’ll admit I’m guilty of the exact same thing and have had a grudge against LL from reading comments bashing Lonestarball (which again goes both ways Im sure), but its really not fair to judge Lonestarball’s commentators based on gameday threads that are pretty much a separate entity from the rest of the site. Given the nature of your gameday threads (not particularly analytical either) I think you can understand.
I also think its understandable how the kind of brash posts that go on here could draw the ire of a few posters from a community that has a different tone.
There is legitimate baseball discussion on Lonstarball. There are more than a handful of people participating in said discussion. I honestly do not think anyone rationally viewing the news/player discussion threads could disagree.
So uh.. don’t judge too quickly. I’ll try not to do so in the future.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on May 13, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll read some of the diaries in the past along with gamethreads.
Though, I’ll readily admit that I pretty much stopped reading the comments altogether because of their lack of quality. So it may have changed since then. When it comes to LSB, I resign myself to AJM’s articles, because I like his work, and it’s among my daily reads.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.428 wOBA, 21 years old.
by Goose on May 13, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There you go again, saying we do it all the time.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
But I am pretty off-put by the writers — not just the commenters, the writers — trashing the entirety of other SBN blogs.
If AJM was shitting on Halos Heaven all the time, I’d be pretty annoyed by him, as well. He doesn’t. It’s part of why I really enjoy reading him.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, if AJM did it ever. Often. Sometimes. More than once.
It was the word I threw out for him.
However, I did not at any point put a frequency in that statement on when it happens here.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here:
“If AJM was shitting on Halos Heaven all the time, I’d be pretty annoyed by him, as well.”
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where in that did I say y'all do it all the time?
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The implication was there in your sentence
it’s like a reporter asking an athlete “so, when did you stop beating your wife?”
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Implied in this line:
“If AJM was shitting on Halos Heaven all the time, I’d be pretty annoyed by him, as well.”
by BrianL on May 13, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since crossover commenting has been enabled at the beginning of last season
LSB readers have trolled LL every series the Rangers and Mariners have played. And again, pretty sure Matthew was joking.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't defend the trolling.
So not sure why that keeps being brought up. I will easily agree that trolling is stupid.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably because
The trolls came HERE and you’re spending your time HERE talking to us about it.
by ThundaPC on May 13, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So this has moved from 'ability to have a civil conversation' to complaining that Matthew called LSB'ers fags?
You are aware that he was metatrolling, correct?
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At other sites.
You seem to have a different view of what we mean by the term trolling.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were you trolling with your derogatory statements directed towards my sexuality?
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From my definition, and the definition used most often here?
No. I didn’t go over to LSB to post it, and it wasn’t unprovoked.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's why that happened
HH and LL have a, shall we say, contentious history – and a lot of it is because of trollbombing. Thus the trashing, and thus the aforementioned short fuse re: trolls. And I think your impression of the writers as perpetually trashing other SBN blogs is a bit off.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(A) All the time?
(B) We hate the communities that send idiots over here. We hate them because we have to spend time moderating when we’d much rather be doing other things. Like writing. LSB has been a pain in the ass in that regard.
© I love AJM
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you copyrighted this post?
do we have to pay royalties if we quote it now?
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn you SBN for shrinking and enveloping my capital c
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It felt lonely and wanted a hug.
Like me.
I want a hug.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't you hate the idiots?
Instead of the community?
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We ban the idiots.
I feel no remorse over disliking the community for not controlling their idiots though.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This hasn't been limited to LSB either.
DRB has had it’s share of people boxed this year as well. The beautiful thing about SBN is that each site has it’s own unique set of standards.
Who’s fault is it exactly if the poster decides not to read the forum guidelines?
by Omerta on May 13, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't interact with LSB outside of gameday threads
So is the point that if I wanted to, I wouldn’t find you guys so bad?
by Graham on May 13, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other than people I would weed out if given the chance. . .
. . . yes. I find it to be probably the most reasonable and bright significantly active sports board specific to one team I’ve ever been a part of.
As a Cowboys fan my standards are a lot lower than they should be, but I’ve still been a lot of places.
I don’t see too many threads like this there.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But again, I don't see this thread as anything but amusing
I accept that this conversation is anything but civil, but I put it to you that we’re not incapable of having a civil conversation should we so chose.
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what about the banning trash talkers for responding to trash talk?
Again, not that I defend trolling, but it does seem like a double standard.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We ban people for trolling.
I, at least, am not going to ban LLers for defending LL on LL.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
However, you do occasionally tell us to stop doing the moderators' jobs of explaining the rules.
I’d like to elucidate this a tad. If a troll comes over from another SBN blog, do I (or any other LLer) have the right to explain to him/her the etiquette of LL and nicely ask them to cut it out?
by Taylor H on May 13, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One or two people may do that with our blessing
we just want to do what we can to prevent needless dogpiling. Which is difficult, I know, but it’s gotten a lot better.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One or two people?
Understand that I respect you an inordinate amount, Jeff, but isn’t that picking favorites? I would say let either everyone do this, or just the mods.
by Taylor H on May 13, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some people are better at it than other people
by Graham on May 13, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've often tried to earnestly explain to a new poster the error of their ways
And been subsequently shut down by a fellow regular or mod.
by Taylor H on May 13, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean one or two people that we hand select
I meant one or two people can do it, but we don’t want a whole bunch of users to pile on top of one another.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Jeff said.
Also, what Graham said, but that wasn’t really in response to the actual point.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's always been a double standard
Having double standards doesn’t make us somehow force us to be complete bastards every waking hour.
I’m not very nice. This is freely admitted. I think winding up people I don’t like is funny. I’m also able to talk baseball rationally and in great detail. These are two independent things.
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it's obviously your right to support jerks and have a double standard.
Back to my original point: it’s just disappointing. I would like a civil Mariners board on SBN. I’m willing to accept that I won’t get it.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not finding biased trash talk from the writers would be tops on my list.
Among other things.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On matters of actual relevance we might be the last place you'll find biased trash talk from the writers
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can do that some other time perhaps.
Don’t think I started reading LOL yesterday. I’ve read this place since before I knew any other blog on SBN but Beyond the Boxscore existed.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then here we are
If that’s your stance then I guess you’re shit out of luck trying to find a Mariners community you like on SBN, because we’re not about to change anything.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understood.
I never expected things to change. I expressed disappointment and then responded to the responses.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will maintain that if you're looking for civil conversation, we are more than capable
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if I'm hoping to find one before I start talking?
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't enter a thread that's already been invaded by trolls.
That would be my suggestion.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait until someone else asks an honest question?
Or a real analysis post pops up? I dunno, it doesn’t seem that hard to me.
But again, I’m biased and I can get people to shut up and stay on topic if I need to
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People post here all of the time and become regulars.
It’s clearly not as off-putting here as you seem to think.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm not being a dick.
What is uncivil about LL? The jokes? Ignore them. If you want to discuss baseball we’re more than capable of doing so. We’re not mouth-breathing 14 year old sex perverts or retarded puppy dogs. We are civil when it’s necessary, we just don’t feel the need to censor ourselves when it’s not.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've gotten a largely civil conversation out of this subthread.
by BrianL on May 13, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And large portions of it are exactly not that.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only examples you've provided were perfectly civil.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And to be fair
I apologized for the harshness of my comment.
by Fin on May 13, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really, how did you expect people to react to a bunch of morons from LSB coming over here trolling?
This isn’t your house, so act like a good guest and you’ll be treated just fine. Be respectful and you’ll get treated with respect. If you don’t, you’ll get mocked into oblivion and banned, what’s so hard to understand?
You don’t see a bunch of Lookout Landing posters going over to LSB and trolling you every time we play a series do you? No, and I think that speaks volumes about the quality of the commenters at each respective blog.
by OlSalty on May 13, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ban them and then mock the individuals?
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It harms no one.
People that act like dicks deserve to be mocked.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure I got called a "fag" before I said anything.
That’s mocking a lot more than the trolls.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's your own fault for taking that comment seriously
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Then it's your own fault for getting trolls.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Follows the same logic.
You’re bothered by trolls. I’m bothered by deragatory terms directed towards my sexuality.
If you insulting me is my fault, then perhaps the culture you cultivate is why you attract trolls.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you still going on about this man?
There is probably nothing to gain from arguing with J/M/G.
by Fin on May 13, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't actually mind the trolls
We find them amusing
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although holy christ I would really like to make myself some dinner
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My dinner was Victory Wild Devil IPA
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pay no heed to this.
I very much mind the trolling. And my ban and warn record will prove this.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I ban them but I find it funny
The trolls from here that go to other sites are much much more annoying
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find it not funny at all.
I want them to just stay away.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still with this, really?
For one, Matthew calls me a fag on at least a daily basis, and for two, it wasn’t intended in the way you have decided it was. It quite clearly was not.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it the only example of attacking an entire site instead of just the trolls?
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The joke is in direct response to comments from the LSB trolls.
You’re missing that part of the joke.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes that's what we do
And it’s very funny, especially when it is very clear from their comments that the people we’re dealing with are not terribly witty. Because not only are the stupid but they’re also belligerent and headstrong and walking into someone elses house telling them what to do. Those people deserve to be mocked and banned.
But also, when there are a large number of people from another blog collectively coming over here for the sole purpose of trolling unprovoked it doesn’t speak very well about that blog, either. I can understand why Adam would be mad.
by OlSalty on May 13, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In their defence my Hamilton letter was pretty clear bait
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which made it hilarious.
Making fun of Josh Hamilton in itself isn’t funny. Baiting is.
by Teej on May 13, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was also trying to annoy the Brandon Morrow diabetes crowd
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He posted here, guys, gosh.
Leave the poor man and his blood sugar alone.
by Taylor H on May 13, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like
You’ve been forcefully trying to prove this point all along.
by ThundaPC on May 13, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And again, if you don't think it's possible to have a civil conversation, I'm sorry
I’m 100% convinced that it is, because it happens here regularly.
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask an honest question and you will get a civil response
It’s really very simple. I wouldn’t devote so much of my time to a blog that just treated everyone like douchebags all the time.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I may say
There appears to be something specific about the mods, comments, or the overall environment of LL that you seem to simply not like. Whatever rubbed you in the wrong way, it’s just something that’s a part of the culture of LL, and it’s not likely to change.
Are we the most respectable, civil SBN blog ever? No, but we are more than capable of having civil conversations with people.
But it seems like you’re holding us to this standard of “civility” that we are clearly unable to reach. It’s unfair to continue to imply that we’re not capable of what we consider, amongst ourselves, civil conversation.
by JLC on May 13, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well obviously the game threads aren't very civil
but when it comes to the analysis pieces G/M/J put up, I don’t think there’s another SBN blog that comes close to LL in terms of objectivity and civility.
by BrianL on May 13, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to see what you'll post if Jeffie gets called up.
by BrianL on May 13, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey yeah now that you mention it.
Do you have any links to what you’re reading about catcher defense that have helped to form you opinion? Or is it material that is not freely accessible?
by Kermit. on May 13, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was mentioned in the original post.
I believe notably an article about catcher’s defense by Tom Tango in the 2009 THT Annual.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh thanks for the starting point.
I missed that one somehow.
by Kermit. on May 13, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Objectivity I somestimes question.
It’s not entirely unique to LOL, though. The intelligence on the front page is absolutely up there, I won’t disagree.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have read this charge at LSB a lot, or similar ones.
I lurk at all of the AL West SBN sites fairly regularly. LSB’s readership seem to think we never talk about baseball here, that the baseball IQ level of the average poster here isn’t especially high, etc. I have no idea how this conclusion has been reached.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may be off base.
But would you even accept for a second that it may be founded?
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems like rejection of personal falibility.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or an honest understanding of his own abilities?
Who knows.
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly.
I believe in allowing for multiple possibilities and avoiding an arrogant viewpoint of thinking anyone’s problem with me can’t possibly be my own doing.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whenever people have a problem with me it's because I want them to
Pretending I’m not much brighter than the vast majority of humanity is pointless and I’m not going to do it.
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even needing to bring it up is pretty disgusting.
I don’t find bloggers talking about how smart they are often.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey brother, maybe shoot me an email
I have an address listed in my profile. I’m just a run of the mill commenter here, but for shit’s and giggles sake do me a favor?
by Kermit. on May 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, you seem to be desiring humility.
It’s just not going to happen here.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, again, that's disappointing.
Humility is a human trait I admire. A lot. And something I wish I had more of.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then LL isn't going to be the place for you.
That pretty much wraps it up.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are humble when faced with something we don't know much about
That doesn’t happen very often when we’re talking about the Mariners, so why play make believe?
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because then other people will like us more?
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm liked by the people by whom I want to be liked
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Liking is for the weak.
You should aim to be feared!
angels fan in seattle
by Eyebrows on May 13, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have yet to see Sky Kalkman or Adam J. Morris talk about how brilliant they are.
Even though they both know a ton about their chosen subjects.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Graham is Graham and some people get him and some people don't.
I love the little fellow and I feel bad for people that don’t get him.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Myself.
There’s no reason you should care what I think, but I figured this discussion began because you did. Otherwise, I imagine you would have just ignored me.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that's not at all what I meant
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What difference does it make how often Sky or Adam talk about themselves?
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was using two examples of people I find to be both bright and humble.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't talk about how brilliant we are either
but if someone brings it up, why deny that most of the time we know what we’re talking about?
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if you asked either of the two
if they thought they knew more about baseball analysis than the average person that posts on SBN, what do you think they’d honestly say?
by JLC on May 13, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't see what's so great about humility
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Humility is great when called for
but confidence and pride are underrated as well.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps I should've said "I still don't see what's so great about false humility"
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes lesser people feel better about themselves.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems as though any time someone disagrees with you
you find a new way to make the argument about something else entirely. You asked a very simple question and you got an answer. Instead of refuting it you’re trying to make this about Matthew’s ego.
If you think such allegations are founded, give an example.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't necessarily think they are founded.
I’m not going to rule out any possibilities.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone that thinks the baseball discussion at LL is not intelligent is 100% wrong.
Coming to any other conclusion would have to be based on an insanely limited amount of evidence, which means such a belief can’t be well founded.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It might seem that way.
I actually read every SBN blog, they’re all on my RSS feed back from the days that I had to cultivate worthwhile content to recommend at The Hardball Times. I know what other blogs write. We’re better than they are.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also read every SBN baseball blog and plenty of other blogs.
I will absolutely grant your front page content as perhaps the most intelligent.
But to matter-of-factly and arrogantly declare your own blog as “better”. . . well, that’s just part of the problem.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that the people who write content on this blog should be confident in their work.
I wouldn’t read their content on a daily basis if they weren’t.
by Fin on May 13, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's put it this way
We like LL better than the other blogs. If we didn’t, we couldn’t put in nearly as much effort into it as we do.
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue that it is in fact the opposite of a problem.
I enjoy the fact that I don’t have to wade through a bunch of chatspeak, pictures of boobs, political discussion and incomprehensible rambling to enjoy the discussion here. LL is better than most other blogs. It’s a value judgment, certainly, but that doesn’t make it arrogant.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we're possibly the best content wise
but saying we’re the best is a problem?
You seem to not be looking for civility, but rather humility. You’re not going to find much of that here.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly.
Yes, arrogance is, in fact, a disappointing trait to find in someone who you want to read.
Especially when it comes to an area like statistical analysis, where accepting the possibility of being wrong is important.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very rarely will you find us arrive at a conclusion with 100% certainty
We always entertain the possibility that we’re wrong because we’re not in the clubhouse talking to these guys.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we didn't accept the possibility of being wrong
we wouldn’t be as good of analysts as we are.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When have we not accepted the possibility that we're wrong, ever?
It’s way more interesting to be wrong than be right. You never learn anything from being right.
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand how having an excessive amount of pride and ego in one's self can be bad
But LL isn’t about being humble or accepting every viewpoint of every single person. If we think someone is being stupid, we’ll call them an idiot. The fact is that there are dumb people and smart people, just as there are good blogs and bad blogs.
We don’t purport LL to be gospel, but it’s really fucking good baseball analysis.
by JLC on May 13, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand it's the way LL is.
I get that. My original statement was not trying to change LL. It was a statement of being disappointed by the way things are.
I prefer blogs that find a way to be intelligent and also not douchey. That’s just me. And as a resident of Washington — with some of the nicest people in general of anywhere I’ve been — I’m also surprised, but then, of course: it’s the internet. I readily admit that places I have no respect for I’m a lot more antagonistic than I am otherwise.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're douchey to douches
I don’t understand how we’re still on this. Either you haven’t read LL often enough or you have unusually high standards for civility.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The latter cannot be the case considering the examples put forth at LSB and BtB
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you are turning a blind eye to your own.
Because I have read both of those sites plenty of times and come across several instances of regulars defying the common definition of civility.
by Omerta on May 13, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure as hell don't think LSB is perfect.
If that’s what you think.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but you seem to imply
with your comments that there is a higher standard of civility (read: courtesy or politeness) at BtB and LSB than one would find here. I just don’t see how you can argue that without turning a blind eye to actual events that have occurred at said blogs within the past year (not to mention the past week).
Basically it seems to me that you’re holding our Mariners blog to a higher standard then you are holding your Rangers and BtB blogs to, respectively.
by Omerta on May 13, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well. . .
I just don’t see how you can argue they are not more civil without turning a blind eye to actual events that have occurred on this blog within the past year.
I don’t think I’m holding LL to a higher standard. But, yes, my sample size of experience here is smaller than yours, and yours is smaller than mine at those sites.
One of us may be turning a blind eye. It may, of course, be me. I don’t think it is but it’s entirely possible. Since we have no way to actually prove who’s right, we probably have to move on.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone is arguing that we're more civil than anywhere else
All we’re saying is that we’re capable of being civil, and to deny that assertion is pretty weird.
by Graham on May 13, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Capable yes.
To the level I personally wish there was, no.
I get that doesn’t bother you. Nor should it.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will grant that LSB may very well be more civil than we are
But with worse readability, I can’t be assed to investigate very thoroughly.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People are absolutely horrible to each other at LSB.
There are vitriolic political discussions, insanely long flame threads, etc. Those things don’t happen here. When we do have arguments they’re usually quite civil and devoid of ad hominems.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are a couple people I can pick out I'll agree with.
Thank heavens for the troll script and Z key.
In general, I disagree with you, nor is it particularly what bothers me most (though it does).
But most importantly, I see civility from the writer.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has one because someone created it.
And I have yet to spend any time in an online community that couldn’t use one.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Save for egregious idiots. . .
. . . I would prefer to be able to ignore who I want, rather than have the mods choose for me.
A few of the people I would ignore if I used the troll script others are fine with. I don’t necessarily want them banned, I just wouldn’t mind if they stopped posting.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you could use it for here to block all the comments from people who aren't nice
by Graham on May 13, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the fact that you even need one speaks volumes
by Graham on May 13, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's a need.
I dont’ use it, so is it a need?
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't work here.
Nevermind the obvious issue with that. . .
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will bring up the White Sox fan again
from LSB just last week. Several of your regulars wished cancer upon Hawk Harrelson. The White Sox fan was offended. The regulars told him in essence to lighten up.
The same dynamic seems to be in play here. Rangers fans didn’t really want Hawk to get cancer. We don’t think Hamilton still uses cocaine.
The internet is not a place where one will find Victorian era manners in effect, and sports blogs are amongst the last places one should anticipate that level of “civility.” If one is to frequent places such as these, one needs to be able to differentiate between something which is intended as harmless humor and that which is not. Personally, I find this community (as a whole) to be exceptionally good at that.
by Omerta on May 13, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see that.
Nor do I think it sounds particularly defensible.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually...
did want Hawk to get cancer.
by ghostofErikThompson on May 14, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as turning a blind eye. . .
. . . I’ll have you know I place the Cowboys well above the Rangers, but I’d say Blogging the Boys (for some different reasons) is far more insufferable for me than just about any other blog I’ve been to on SBN.
I definitely place LL ahead of it, even though I would smile (no offense) if the Mariners died in a fire, and I would personally murder every Ranger if it would deliver the Cowboys a few more championships.
by philkid3 on May 14, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you're getting it!
So what you seek is some respect for your favorite blog…you’re insulted not because this place can be crass at times, but because the subject matter involves LSB commenters and you feel the need to stick up for the place.
I think it’s been amply displayed in this thread that both the writers and the community can engage in civil discourse, but if you still feel the need to generalize this place as uncivil to counterbalence Matthew’s statement about gender roles on LSB (something that was clearly a joke)…more power to you I guess.
by Omerta on May 14, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think LL is incapable of civil, non-douchey discussion
I have to think that you really haven’t taken the time to read the material posted here.
There have been many, many threads like this that illustrate just how helpful this community is.
by BrianL on May 13, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A problem for whom?
Simply because the writers and the commenters believe this to be amongst the best sports blogs out there doesn’t preclude us from providing an environment for civil conversation…and even in the case where some might feel the environment isn’t civil there are both guidelines and warnings which caution the new or visiting poster before entering the premises. Basically, the expectations one should have are laid out before one gets here…and if they don’t find them “acceptable,” there are alternatives to Mariner coverage.
I think, however, you’d be dissapointed in what you would find there, particularly in terms of “civil” discussion.
by Omerta on May 13, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely not.
The baseball knowledge of the average LL reader is off the map. The baseball discussion here is better than anywhere else.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even the members here that don't have a grasp of the more detailed metric analysis
are leaps and bounds brighter than most posters on other blogs.
by BrianL on May 13, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two THT writers, one fangraphs writer, and the guy who invented tRA?
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe some people are dumb enough to do two things at once
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about my not-writing and drinking
It’s hard work man
by Graham on May 13, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
J/M/G and put a shit ton of work into LL and they receive very, very little material benefit for doing so.
They have every right to moderate it in a way that makes it reflect the kind of community they wish to create and I am frankly baffled as to why more SBN mods don’t do the same thing.
by acblue on May 13, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You should get into PR
Because you are really good at explaining these things.
by Fin on May 13, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is probably the biggest point of all
LL is what we want it to be because if it weren’t, we wouldn’t want to spend as much time here as we do. It’s not for everybody. We don’t want it to be for everybody. We’re not AN, and I hope we never are.
LL is intelligent, readable, and out-and-out crass, and that’s exactly how we like it. If some people get offended, then that’s not a concern of mine. If I’m going to spend dozens of hours on this site every week, I don’t really want to spend them dealing with the oversensitive.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And that's well within your rights.
But AN is one of my favorite blogs (at least the community) and I would like an SBN blog like that for the Mariners. You don’t have to want that.
I expressed my disappointment is all.
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you also like LSB to be like AN?
Or would you keep it just the way it is?
by ThundaPC on May 13, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are things I would like to change about LSB, of course.
But not much. For one, it has one of the best bloggers out there whose attitude in general is the example I want from someone writing for the community I choose to be a part of.
What I would change there would probably be banning a few specific people, but I understand the idea of letting somewhere “police itself.”
by philkid3 on May 13, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs