Well Gosh
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 8:08 PM PDT
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But Griffey had all of those good years back in the '90s!
I mean, he’s a living legend, right? He’s fucking clutch! He saved baseball in Seattle, for chrissakes! How can you sub him out when there’s a lefty on the hill? He fucking crushes lefties!
Free Jeffie!
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
watching this team has ruined my optimism
and it will never recover.
A letter to Josh Hamilton
Dear Josh,
Your career has certainly been interesting to follow. Talk about a comeback, after all you went through in the Rays organisation it’s almost a miracle that you’re producing at a near-MVP level for the Texas Rangers. How does it feel to be leading the AL West and being one of the most feared bats in the league? I hope your rib isn’t bothering you and you’re able to give it your all each game without feeling pain.
Onto the point of my letter, then:
Brandon Morrow’s insulin is not heroin. Please refrain from stealing random things that look like they might get you high in future (especially from visiting teams). Diabetes is a severe, sometimes debilitating condition and those suffering from it could do without their medicines being pilfered by someone just looking for a quick hit. Have some care and respect for those battling through this disease.
Yours sincerely,
-Graham
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 24 recs
Idiot
I hope your nut sack falls off.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
Seriously though.
What the fuck is up with all this LSB trolling? They seem to collect around Hamilton hate comments like flies gather around shit.
Yeah I'm not quite sure why they take so much offense to it, why do they try to protect him from insults?
I mean, come on – he’s a coke head.
"Get up you crazy black man, I'm gonna make you drink my piss!" - Will Ferrell.
Seriously
They should grow a sense of humor. Its not like we would flip shit if their Mod was talking shit about Morrow. We would probably just agree with them.
I really didn't think me asking a question about it would cause such a shitstorm from both sides.
File that under “life lesson learned,” I guess.
It's good to run every once in awhile.
Make sure the batteries aren’t dead.
Wait. I get warned for making a joke about a LSB invasion, and these guys get off scott-free?
It’s not fair, I tellya.
by .Taylor on May 13, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite warning of all time was
“You shall be modded before Robert”
by JI on May 13, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My favorite banning message was
“Boxed, is lupus”
by JI on May 13, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I used to get boxed three times a week back in the golden era of LL
by JI on May 13, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's not true
I still think of ASUBoyd as ‘Angry Gomez’
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
Well not as much as the Goofus and Gallant at least.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Well your image got cut off on the right
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That works
Height is really the biggest concern of ours, though, so horizontal dimensions don’t need to be strictly regulated.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I have stated before that the general guideline is:
no more than 300 pixels tall and don’t make it wider than the screen. Also, always preview.
Coffee table book!
I actually would like to see my list
by JI on May 13, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good because formatting is an annoyance
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if I'll ever find the character limit in a warn message
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Responding to obvious baiting makes you seem sad.
...and now I'm here
I wonder how many LSB'ers I'll ban over this one
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Go ahead. Make my day
Do you feel lucky?
Well, do ya? Punk?
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 13, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
That’s one way to hide from your problems.
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
Another alternative would be doing cocaine
I’ve heard about a few baseball players involved in that lately
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
According to Google, cocaine + Hamilton don't register LL in the top 100 yet.
But he did kick nicotine apparently, that’s a tough bitch. The man might be a rock
That's not the first time Hamilton has been associated with rocks.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on May 13, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's easy to get a lot accomplished when you're high on cocaine.
...and now I'm here
F'nA's
Though he was just stupid.
Oh and the guy who said that HGH = steroids.
angels fan in seattle
Boyd!
He was convinced that I’m a bitter old man too
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
They weren't even trolls.
They just became belligerent after their participation was openly mocked. Funny as hell, though.
...and now I'm here
Didn't he start out well...
but then decided that Graham was his own personal enemy?
...and now I'm here
I miss PhilKenSebben
I know he wasn’t a troll here but he bombed the poor Blue Jays blog and that was that for him.
He had some good .gif moments.
Indeed.
More like a one man hailstorm. All we wanted to do was keep rincewind company but alas philken decided that was the day he was to go off the deep end.
Oh boy my radar is getting hot now, give me a rough estimate of the date so I can search this puppy?
I think it was Chris Benoit, who had recently killed his family and himself, flying head first into the world trade center.
Jose Lopez roxxorz my boxxorz.
51!
It's hilarious in that extremely uncomfortable "Oh my God I can't believe someone actually did that" way.
He absolutely lost his shit that day.
I'll be totally honest.
That makes me really sad. I mean, Bluebird Banter’s a deeecent blog. The poor guy.
by .Taylor on May 13, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I have felt this same burden myself
and it is indeed a weighty task.
He showed up in really annoying alternate accounts after he was banned.
There’s no reason to miss him.
They don't usually like to bring those out for a guy trolling one site
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean one that you guys could use.
So he could create accounts on other sites just not here. I could see how that could cause problems, though.
Who knew that Ranger fans were such sensitive skirt-wearing little girls
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
He didn't even have a drug problem as Ranger property
and I make Dany Heatley jokes.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He really shouldn't have practiced his wraparounds while driving
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Frequently I might add.
Though so far not at our secret lair.
Hey, you.
Yeah, you.
Graham.
Fuck you.
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 13, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
This could pass as a Cummings poem if it wasn't for the capitals
Well done
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
They're from Texas...keep in mind that they're all retarded
I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ
You know the best thing that ever came out of Texas?
Interstate 35
This has been said many times but that heart is delightful.
I can’t believe I used delightful in a sentence but there you go.
Whose cooler than AIDS? Graham, that's who...
I'm Ron Burgundy?
by Ryin A on May 13, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
AIDS is pretty fucking cool
What an interesting little virus
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, it doesn't even make sense.
Are you saying that Graham is cooler than something that’s pretty awful? I’m struggling to find the insult.
Maybe he was being clever and by saying I'm cooler than AIDS
meant I’m not cooler than AIDS!
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Either he mixed them up and meant to say that even AIDS is cooler than Graham.
Or he’s just an idiot.
He's pathetic. Let him go.
Like the little fish you caught, just throw him back in. Maybe he’lll grow up and you can catch him next season.
Waiting to spit out the "Doublemint Twins".
by Sinking Away on May 13, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
No harm. No foul. So not worth it.
Waiting to spit out the "Doublemint Twins".
by Sinking Away on May 13, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
My bad.
Waiting to spit out the "Doublemint Twins".
by Sinking Away on May 13, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn that one hurt.
I take pretty much nothing from this game outside of some nice flashes from Cedeno and Balentien.
Fuck you Brandon. You are nothing special in the closer’s role (so far). Get your shit together.
I was sure you guys had that one
Our reliever sucked it tonight. Our hitters couldn’t bat in the baserunners all game. I all but gave up.
Thanks for making it interesting Seattle!
She say she are the manager.
Well, same with the Rangers
Don’t ever think you are done if your team is down 12-1 against Texas. You will come back to win 23-12, I guarantee it
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 13, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Our offense is probably worse than your pitching
"Get up you crazy black man, I'm gonna make you drink my piss!" - Will Ferrell.
I would have argued with you last year
But, I think you may be right, at least for right now.
We’re headed to run out of gas sooner or later.
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 13, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Just honest. And I know how the Rangers tank after the ASB
She say she are the manager.
by rockin_rangers on May 13, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
There's the old adage the Ranger score 10 runs, and still lose by one.
Speaks as much to the ballpark as the pitching. I wonder what the M’s legacy will be, hacker hacker swing?
I was sooo pissed last night. There were multiple story lines for a sports writer though
Offense fails, only scores one run!
Pitching fails gives up seven runs!
Maybe something about infield defense, but I didn’t watch the game. I just hoped every thing went through Yuni’s wickets ‘cause fuck Yuni that’s why
I remember when he used to throw those bendy pitches.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
by JY on May 13, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me save you LSBers the trouble and just tell you how this goes
You sign up, you leave a comment, it probably sucks, it gets hidden, and you get banned. It’s really simple and people don’t really slip through the moderation cracks around here.
What if you have nothing to say but:
You don’t have anything inherantly against Mariners fans but kind of wish there was a civil Mariners blog on SBN to go to because your duties for other blogs take you to other teams’ sites?
Much like the common blowfish, we are civil unless provoked
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Trolling in the GT
Plus I wasn’t done with my Josh Hamilton did drugs! meme from yesterday
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that this thread is the crowning glory
And now it dies
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Numerous members from LSB coming over here to our game threads to troll.
Plus the same last night.
Plus it’s happened before.
Wouldn't the best response be just to ban trolls and not respond in turn?
That’s what I would hope the mods for any SBN blog I’m a part of do.
Or, if you’re going to post your own trash talk, deal with it when someone else responds. I’d prefer the former, but the latter, I would think, is better than posting some trash and then banning someone for firing back.
The responses are adorable and priceless though.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Trolls are banned, immediately.
Then we proceed to mock them.
I someone goes to an opposing team's blog to trash talk
What do you think is going to happen? Pretty much any blog is going to trash the troll and then ban them. This isn’t rocket science or something exclusive to Lookout Landing.
LSBers from yesterday and today
Show up with something reasonable to say and you’ll find that we can be quite nice. Two of the better posters here are Angel fans.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Eyebrows doesn't even like the Angels anymore
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually went out and bought a personalized Royals tshirt with that on it
I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ
If you don't take the bait laid out to catch the stupids I think you'll find it's entirely possible to have a civil conversation here
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
You sure about that?
I live in Kennewick and I love Washington. I’ve lived plenty of other places, as well, and the northwest is the LAST place I would expect to have comments sections — writers included — to top even an Eagles blog for off-putting content.
I don’t defend trolls of any team. I’m among a few others who have told people at LSB that coming over her to troll is pretty retarded. But do you really think the content here is by and large what you’d call respectable by SBN standards?
I wouldn’t mind being proven wrong. I’ve thought of posting here before and stayed back for a reason.
(BTW, I made the Epic Ibanez Maneuver gif. Yes, that is off-topic.)
There is a very distinct difference between the excellent front page content
and the sort of response that comes as a result of provocation after a tough game by a bunch of trolls.
Seems like a double standard.
Or at the very least pretty much in line with Fin. Except Fin targeted me specifically instead of an entire group of people.
I am sorry, that might've been harsh.
Basically what I was trying to say is the lighten up a little. What separates LL from the MSM is not only the usage of better stats, but also the non-PC commentary.
You took the words right out of my wozzle
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I'm desperately afraid I'll fail that particular test so I don't even bother
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
The content featured at Lookout Landing is some of the most in-depth analysis featured on all of SBN.
So, yes, it’s pretty damn respectable.
LL has a serious side and it has a goofy off-color side.
If you cannot separate the two in your mind, then that’s going to be an issue for you here. The serious side here cannot be topped for baseball analysis. The off-color side will offend many many people. That’s just the way we are, but we do realize that we offend many people with it and keep it to ourselves here.
It's possible to have a civil conversation
It’s not possible to look at this whole blog and think ‘what a civil place’
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
We are civil to people worth being civil to.
New people get respect when they arrive. How long you keep it is entirely up to the them.
Well you spend so much time calling the entirety of LSB garbage.
Take an honest step back: comparing LOL threads to LSB threads, do you think that sweeping generalization is warranted?
Readability is among our highest priorities and with that in mind I consider LL a rousing success
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Random huge pictures, chatspeak, +1s, no grammar or spelling requirements
Like I’ve said, I’m biased because people I find dumb don’t last long here, but there are just far more stupid people everywhere else, including LSB.
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Because seriously if you want good analysis and a completely different commenting culture that's the place for you
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I blame the USSM mods for the poor quality of the USSM comments
by JI on May 13, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I spend some time on USSM.
I have some issues with Dave I’ll leave out of this discussion.
But, full disclosure, I’m editing for another SBN site (anyone who posts there knows but I don’t think which is a big deal), and so I’m more interested in SBN sites.
How about outside of game day threads?
Don’t ask me to defend them. I’m a part of that to and have no issue with it.
I think you may also have a pretty high assessment of your group. At least you do admit bias.
A lot of it stems from the fact that it has been made clear
that this website is NOT a “message board”, and as such there’s not a lot of “anything goes” trash talking about/between people. J/M/G try to enforce a higher standard of discussion here. Does it always work? No. But most of us try most of the time.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
No.
This thread is an example of what happens when yesterday’s trollbombs happened. People have short fuses – as I explained last night, it’s just poor form to show up at your neighbor’s house and shit in their living room, and you can’t expect that we’d just take it with a smile and say “welcome trolls!”
Should we ignore trolls? Probably. Are we as bad as you seem to think? Not even close.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I agree.
And you’ll find plenty of LSB people over there who think the trolling is stupid as hell.
But I am pretty off-put by the writers — not just the commenters, the writers — trashing the entirety of other SBN blogs.
If AJM was shitting on Halos Heaven all the time, I’d be pretty annoyed by him, as well. He doesn’t. It’s part of why I really enjoy reading him.
Something tells me that if cornered, AJM's opinion if his own sites comments wouldn't be much different that ours.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.428 wOBA, 21 years old.
He's a fairly intelligent person, as evidenced by his writings over at LSB
and, as has been discussed in this thread, the readability and general comment quality of LSB is very poor. So an intelligent person, such as Adam Morris, would probably not be 100% pleased by what goes on there.
Of course, I could be mistaken. But I’d say it’s a pretty good bet.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.428 wOBA, 21 years old.
Have you ever read anything other than gameday threads?
That are by their nature not particularly analytical.
the preceding post was a great success.
well ignore this
I see this conversation is taking place in this thread and this question has already been asked. I don’t have time to read it all, but I do want to quickly sum up my thoughts on this and move along. Feel free to ignore me.
I’ll admit I’m guilty of the exact same thing and have had a grudge against LL from reading comments bashing Lonestarball (which again goes both ways Im sure), but its really not fair to judge Lonestarball’s commentators based on gameday threads that are pretty much a separate entity from the rest of the site. Given the nature of your gameday threads (not particularly analytical either) I think you can understand.
I also think its understandable how the kind of brash posts that go on here could draw the ire of a few posters from a community that has a different tone.
There is legitimate baseball discussion on Lonstarball. There are more than a handful of people participating in said discussion. I honestly do not think anyone rationally viewing the news/player discussion threads could disagree.
So uh.. don’t judge too quickly. I’ll try not to do so in the future.
the preceding post was a great success.
I'll read some of the diaries in the past along with gamethreads.
Though, I’ll readily admit that I pretty much stopped reading the comments altogether because of their lack of quality. So it may have changed since then. When it comes to LSB, I resign myself to AJM’s articles, because I like his work, and it’s among my daily reads.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.428 wOBA, 21 years old.
?
But I am pretty off-put by the writers — not just the commenters, the writers — trashing the entirety of other SBN blogs.
If AJM was shitting on Halos Heaven all the time, I’d be pretty annoyed by him, as well. He doesn’t. It’s part of why I really enjoy reading him.
Okay, if AJM did it ever. Often. Sometimes. More than once.
It was the word I threw out for him.
However, I did not at any point put a frequency in that statement on when it happens here.
Here:
“If AJM was shitting on Halos Heaven all the time, I’d be pretty annoyed by him, as well.”
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
The implication was there in your sentence
it’s like a reporter asking an athlete “so, when did you stop beating your wife?”
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Implied in this line:
“If AJM was shitting on Halos Heaven all the time, I’d be pretty annoyed by him, as well.”
Since crossover commenting has been enabled at the beginning of last season
LSB readers have trolled LL every series the Rangers and Mariners have played. And again, pretty sure Matthew was joking.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't defend the trolling.
So not sure why that keeps being brought up. I will easily agree that trolling is stupid.
So this has moved from 'ability to have a civil conversation' to complaining that Matthew called LSB'ers fags?
You are aware that he was metatrolling, correct?
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
At other sites.
You seem to have a different view of what we mean by the term trolling.
From my definition, and the definition used most often here?
No. I didn’t go over to LSB to post it, and it wasn’t unprovoked.
Here's why that happened
HH and LL have a, shall we say, contentious history – and a lot of it is because of trollbombing. Thus the trashing, and thus the aforementioned short fuse re: trolls. And I think your impression of the writers as perpetually trashing other SBN blogs is a bit off.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
(A) All the time?
(B) We hate the communities that send idiots over here. We hate them because we have to spend time moderating when we’d much rather be doing other things. Like writing. LSB has been a pain in the ass in that regard.
© I love AJM
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
you copyrighted this post?
do we have to pay royalties if we quote it now?
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Damn you SBN for shrinking and enveloping my capital c
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
It felt lonely and wanted a hug.
Like me.
I want a hug.
We ban the idiots.
I feel no remorse over disliking the community for not controlling their idiots though.
This hasn't been limited to LSB either.
DRB has had it’s share of people boxed this year as well. The beautiful thing about SBN is that each site has it’s own unique set of standards.
Who’s fault is it exactly if the poster decides not to read the forum guidelines?
I don't interact with LSB outside of gameday threads
So is the point that if I wanted to, I wouldn’t find you guys so bad?
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Other than people I would weed out if given the chance. . .
. . . yes. I find it to be probably the most reasonable and bright significantly active sports board specific to one team I’ve ever been a part of.
As a Cowboys fan my standards are a lot lower than they should be, but I’ve still been a lot of places.
I don’t see too many threads like this there.
But again, I don't see this thread as anything but amusing
I accept that this conversation is anything but civil, but I put it to you that we’re not incapable of having a civil conversation should we so chose.
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
So what about the banning trash talkers for responding to trash talk?
Again, not that I defend trolling, but it does seem like a double standard.
We ban people for trolling.
I, at least, am not going to ban LLers for defending LL on LL.
However, you do occasionally tell us to stop doing the moderators' jobs of explaining the rules.
I’d like to elucidate this a tad. If a troll comes over from another SBN blog, do I (or any other LLer) have the right to explain to him/her the etiquette of LL and nicely ask them to cut it out?
by .Taylor on May 13, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
One or two people may do that with our blessing
we just want to do what we can to prevent needless dogpiling. Which is difficult, I know, but it’s gotten a lot better.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
One or two people?
Understand that I respect you an inordinate amount, Jeff, but isn’t that picking favorites? I would say let either everyone do this, or just the mods.
by .Taylor on May 13, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Some people are better at it than other people
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I've often tried to earnestly explain to a new poster the error of their ways
And been subsequently shut down by a fellow regular or mod.
by .Taylor on May 13, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't mean one or two people that we hand select
I meant one or two people can do it, but we don’t want a whole bunch of users to pile on top of one another.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
What Jeff said.
Also, what Graham said, but that wasn’t really in response to the actual point.
There's always been a double standard
Having double standards doesn’t make us somehow force us to be complete bastards every waking hour.
I’m not very nice. This is freely admitted. I think winding up people I don’t like is funny. I’m also able to talk baseball rationally and in great detail. These are two independent things.
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, it's obviously your right to support jerks and have a double standard.
Back to my original point: it’s just disappointing. I would like a civil Mariners board on SBN. I’m willing to accept that I won’t get it.
On matters of actual relevance we might be the last place you'll find biased trash talk from the writers
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I can do that some other time perhaps.
Don’t think I started reading LOL yesterday. I’ve read this place since before I knew any other blog on SBN but Beyond the Boxscore existed.
Well then here we are
If that’s your stance then I guess you’re shit out of luck trying to find a Mariners community you like on SBN, because we’re not about to change anything.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Understood.
I never expected things to change. I expressed disappointment and then responded to the responses.
I will maintain that if you're looking for civil conversation, we are more than capable
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't enter a thread that's already been invaded by trolls.
That would be my suggestion.
Wait until someone else asks an honest question?
Or a real analysis post pops up? I dunno, it doesn’t seem that hard to me.
But again, I’m biased and I can get people to shut up and stay on topic if I need to
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
People post here all of the time and become regulars.
It’s clearly not as off-putting here as you seem to think.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
And I'm not being a dick.
What is uncivil about LL? The jokes? Ignore them. If you want to discuss baseball we’re more than capable of doing so. We’re not mouth-breathing 14 year old sex perverts or retarded puppy dogs. We are civil when it’s necessary, we just don’t feel the need to censor ourselves when it’s not.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
The only examples you've provided were perfectly civil.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Really, how did you expect people to react to a bunch of morons from LSB coming over here trolling?
This isn’t your house, so act like a good guest and you’ll be treated just fine. Be respectful and you’ll get treated with respect. If you don’t, you’ll get mocked into oblivion and banned, what’s so hard to understand?
You don’t see a bunch of Lookout Landing posters going over to LSB and trolling you every time we play a series do you? No, and I think that speaks volumes about the quality of the commenters at each respective blog.
It harms no one.
People that act like dicks deserve to be mocked.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure I got called a "fag" before I said anything.
That’s mocking a lot more than the trolls.
It's your own fault for taking that comment seriously
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Follows the same logic.
You’re bothered by trolls. I’m bothered by deragatory terms directed towards my sexuality.
If you insulting me is my fault, then perhaps the culture you cultivate is why you attract trolls.
Wait wait
If you taking his off the cuff ‘fags’ thing personally is your fault, then him getting trolled for making a reference to Josh Hamilton’s past problems is his fault?
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Why are you still going on about this man?
There is probably nothing to gain from arguing with J/M/G.
We don't actually mind the trolls
We find them amusing
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Although holy christ I would really like to make myself some dinner
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Pay no heed to this.
I very much mind the trolling. And my ban and warn record will prove this.
Oh I ban them but I find it funny
The trolls from here that go to other sites are much much more annoying
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I find it not funny at all.
I want them to just stay away.
Still with this, really?
For one, Matthew calls me a fag on at least a daily basis, and for two, it wasn’t intended in the way you have decided it was. It quite clearly was not.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
The joke is in direct response to comments from the LSB trolls.
You’re missing that part of the joke.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes that's what we do
And it’s very funny, especially when it is very clear from their comments that the people we’re dealing with are not terribly witty. Because not only are the stupid but they’re also belligerent and headstrong and walking into someone elses house telling them what to do. Those people deserve to be mocked and banned.
But also, when there are a large number of people from another blog collectively coming over here for the sole purpose of trolling unprovoked it doesn’t speak very well about that blog, either. I can understand why Adam would be mad.
In their defence my Hamilton letter was pretty clear bait
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
I have a great deal of respect for the fellow, but the reactions are too hilarious to pass up.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I was also trying to annoy the Brandon Morrow diabetes crowd
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
He posted here, guys, gosh.
Leave the poor man and his blood sugar alone.
by .Taylor on May 13, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
And again, if you don't think it's possible to have a civil conversation, I'm sorry
I’m 100% convinced that it is, because it happens here regularly.
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Ask an honest question and you will get a civil response
It’s really very simple. I wouldn’t devote so much of my time to a blog that just treated everyone like douchebags all the time.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
If I may say
There appears to be something specific about the mods, comments, or the overall environment of LL that you seem to simply not like. Whatever rubbed you in the wrong way, it’s just something that’s a part of the culture of LL, and it’s not likely to change.
Are we the most respectable, civil SBN blog ever? No, but we are more than capable of having civil conversations with people.
But it seems like you’re holding us to this standard of “civility” that we are clearly unable to reach. It’s unfair to continue to imply that we’re not capable of what we consider, amongst ourselves, civil conversation.
by JLC on May 13, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well obviously the game threads aren't very civil
but when it comes to the analysis pieces G/M/J put up, I don’t think there’s another SBN blog that comes close to LL in terms of objectivity and civility.
Hey yeah now that you mention it.
Do you have any links to what you’re reading about catcher defense that have helped to form you opinion? Or is it material that is not freely accessible?
It was mentioned in the original post.
I believe notably an article about catcher’s defense by Tom Tango in the 2009 THT Annual.
Ahhh thanks for the starting point.
I missed that one somehow.
Objectivity I somestimes question.
It’s not entirely unique to LOL, though. The intelligence on the front page is absolutely up there, I won’t disagree.
I have read this charge at LSB a lot, or similar ones.
I lurk at all of the AL West SBN sites fairly regularly. LSB’s readership seem to think we never talk about baseball here, that the baseball IQ level of the average poster here isn’t especially high, etc. I have no idea how this conclusion has been reached.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Or an honest understanding of his own abilities?
Who knows.
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Possibly.
I believe in allowing for multiple possibilities and avoiding an arrogant viewpoint of thinking anyone’s problem with me can’t possibly be my own doing.
Whenever people have a problem with me it's because I want them to
Pretending I’m not much brighter than the vast majority of humanity is pointless and I’m not going to do it.
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Even needing to bring it up is pretty disgusting.
I don’t find bloggers talking about how smart they are often.
Hey brother, maybe shoot me an email
I have an address listed in my profile. I’m just a run of the mill commenter here, but for shit’s and giggles sake do me a favor?
Again, you seem to be desiring humility.
It’s just not going to happen here.
And, again, that's disappointing.
Humility is a human trait I admire. A lot. And something I wish I had more of.
Then LL isn't going to be the place for you.
That pretty much wraps it up.
We are humble when faced with something we don't know much about
That doesn’t happen very often when we’re talking about the Mariners, so why play make believe?
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm liked by the people by whom I want to be liked
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I have yet to see Sky Kalkman or Adam J. Morris talk about how brilliant they are.
Even though they both know a ton about their chosen subjects.
Graham is Graham and some people get him and some people don't.
I love the little fellow and I feel bad for people that don’t get him.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Myself.
There’s no reason you should care what I think, but I figured this discussion began because you did. Otherwise, I imagine you would have just ignored me.
What difference does it make how often Sky or Adam talk about themselves?
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't talk about how brilliant we are either
but if someone brings it up, why deny that most of the time we know what we’re talking about?
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
And if you asked either of the two
if they thought they knew more about baseball analysis than the average person that posts on SBN, what do you think they’d honestly say?
I still don't see what's so great about humility
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Humility is great when called for
but confidence and pride are underrated as well.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It seems as though any time someone disagrees with you
you find a new way to make the argument about something else entirely. You asked a very simple question and you got an answer. Instead of refuting it you’re trying to make this about Matthew’s ego.
If you think such allegations are founded, give an example.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone that thinks the baseball discussion at LL is not intelligent is 100% wrong.
Coming to any other conclusion would have to be based on an insanely limited amount of evidence, which means such a belief can’t be well founded.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
It might seem that way.
I actually read every SBN blog, they’re all on my RSS feed back from the days that I had to cultivate worthwhile content to recommend at The Hardball Times. I know what other blogs write. We’re better than they are.
I also read every SBN baseball blog and plenty of other blogs.
I will absolutely grant your front page content as perhaps the most intelligent.
But to matter-of-factly and arrogantly declare your own blog as “better”. . . well, that’s just part of the problem.
I think that the people who write content on this blog should be confident in their work.
I wouldn’t read their content on a daily basis if they weren’t.
Let's put it this way
We like LL better than the other blogs. If we didn’t, we couldn’t put in nearly as much effort into it as we do.
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I would argue that it is in fact the opposite of a problem.
I enjoy the fact that I don’t have to wade through a bunch of chatspeak, pictures of boobs, political discussion and incomprehensible rambling to enjoy the discussion here. LL is better than most other blogs. It’s a value judgment, certainly, but that doesn’t make it arrogant.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
So we're possibly the best content wise
but saying we’re the best is a problem?
You seem to not be looking for civility, but rather humility. You’re not going to find much of that here.
Possibly.
Yes, arrogance is, in fact, a disappointing trait to find in someone who you want to read.
Especially when it comes to an area like statistical analysis, where accepting the possibility of being wrong is important.
Very rarely will you find us arrive at a conclusion with 100% certainty
We always entertain the possibility that we’re wrong because we’re not in the clubhouse talking to these guys.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
If we didn't accept the possibility of being wrong
we wouldn’t be as good of analysts as we are.
When have we not accepted the possibility that we're wrong, ever?
It’s way more interesting to be wrong than be right. You never learn anything from being right.
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I can understand how having an excessive amount of pride and ego in one's self can be bad
But LL isn’t about being humble or accepting every viewpoint of every single person. If we think someone is being stupid, we’ll call them an idiot. The fact is that there are dumb people and smart people, just as there are good blogs and bad blogs.
We don’t purport LL to be gospel, but it’s really fucking good baseball analysis.
I understand it's the way LL is.
I get that. My original statement was not trying to change LL. It was a statement of being disappointed by the way things are.
I prefer blogs that find a way to be intelligent and also not douchey. That’s just me. And as a resident of Washington — with some of the nicest people in general of anywhere I’ve been — I’m also surprised, but then, of course: it’s the internet. I readily admit that places I have no respect for I’m a lot more antagonistic than I am otherwise.
We're douchey to douches
I don’t understand how we’re still on this. Either you haven’t read LL often enough or you have unusually high standards for civility.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Then you are turning a blind eye to your own.
Because I have read both of those sites plenty of times and come across several instances of regulars defying the common definition of civility.
No, but you seem to imply
with your comments that there is a higher standard of civility (read: courtesy or politeness) at BtB and LSB than one would find here. I just don’t see how you can argue that without turning a blind eye to actual events that have occurred at said blogs within the past year (not to mention the past week).
Basically it seems to me that you’re holding our Mariners blog to a higher standard then you are holding your Rangers and BtB blogs to, respectively.
Well. . .
I just don’t see how you can argue they are not more civil without turning a blind eye to actual events that have occurred on this blog within the past year.
I don’t think I’m holding LL to a higher standard. But, yes, my sample size of experience here is smaller than yours, and yours is smaller than mine at those sites.
One of us may be turning a blind eye. It may, of course, be me. I don’t think it is but it’s entirely possible. Since we have no way to actually prove who’s right, we probably have to move on.
I don't think anyone is arguing that we're more civil than anywhere else
All we’re saying is that we’re capable of being civil, and to deny that assertion is pretty weird.
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Capable yes.
To the level I personally wish there was, no.
I get that doesn’t bother you. Nor should it.
I will grant that LSB may very well be more civil than we are
But with worse readability, I can’t be assed to investigate very thoroughly.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
People are absolutely horrible to each other at LSB.
There are vitriolic political discussions, insanely long flame threads, etc. Those things don’t happen here. When we do have arguments they’re usually quite civil and devoid of ad hominems.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
There are a couple people I can pick out I'll agree with.
Thank heavens for the troll script and Z key.
In general, I disagree with you, nor is it particularly what bothers me most (though it does).
But most importantly, I see civility from the writer.
It has one because someone created it.
And I have yet to spend any time in an online community that couldn’t use one.
Save for egregious idiots. . .
. . . I would prefer to be able to ignore who I want, rather than have the mods choose for me.
A few of the people I would ignore if I used the troll script others are fine with. I don’t necessarily want them banned, I just wouldn’t mind if they stopped posting.
Well you could use it for here to block all the comments from people who aren't nice
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
But the fact that you even need one speaks volumes
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I will bring up the White Sox fan again
from LSB just last week. Several of your regulars wished cancer upon Hawk Harrelson. The White Sox fan was offended. The regulars told him in essence to lighten up.
The same dynamic seems to be in play here. Rangers fans didn’t really want Hawk to get cancer. We don’t think Hamilton still uses cocaine.
The internet is not a place where one will find Victorian era manners in effect, and sports blogs are amongst the last places one should anticipate that level of “civility.” If one is to frequent places such as these, one needs to be able to differentiate between something which is intended as harmless humor and that which is not. Personally, I find this community (as a whole) to be exceptionally good at that.
I actually...
did want Hawk to get cancer.
by ghostofErikThompson on May 14, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
As far as turning a blind eye. . .
. . . I’ll have you know I place the Cowboys well above the Rangers, but I’d say Blogging the Boys (for some different reasons) is far more insufferable for me than just about any other blog I’ve been to on SBN.
I definitely place LL ahead of it, even though I would smile (no offense) if the Mariners died in a fire, and I would personally murder every Ranger if it would deliver the Cowboys a few more championships.
Now you're getting it!
So what you seek is some respect for your favorite blog…you’re insulted not because this place can be crass at times, but because the subject matter involves LSB commenters and you feel the need to stick up for the place.
I think it’s been amply displayed in this thread that both the writers and the community can engage in civil discourse, but if you still feel the need to generalize this place as uncivil to counterbalence Matthew’s statement about gender roles on LSB (something that was clearly a joke)…more power to you I guess.
If you think LL is incapable of civil, non-douchey discussion
I have to think that you really haven’t taken the time to read the material posted here.
There have been many, many threads like this that illustrate just how helpful this community is.
A problem for whom?
Simply because the writers and the commenters believe this to be amongst the best sports blogs out there doesn’t preclude us from providing an environment for civil conversation…and even in the case where some might feel the environment isn’t civil there are both guidelines and warnings which caution the new or visiting poster before entering the premises. Basically, the expectations one should have are laid out before one gets here…and if they don’t find them “acceptable,” there are alternatives to Mariner coverage.
I think, however, you’d be dissapointed in what you would find there, particularly in terms of “civil” discussion.
Absolutely not.
The baseball knowledge of the average LL reader is off the map. The baseball discussion here is better than anywhere else.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Even the members here that don't have a grasp of the more detailed metric analysis
are leaps and bounds brighter than most posters on other blogs.
Two THT writers, one fangraphs writer, and the guy who invented tRA?
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
J/M/G and put a shit ton of work into LL and they receive very, very little material benefit for doing so.
They have every right to moderate it in a way that makes it reflect the kind of community they wish to create and I am frankly baffled as to why more SBN mods don’t do the same thing.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is probably the biggest point of all
LL is what we want it to be because if it weren’t, we wouldn’t want to spend as much time here as we do. It’s not for everybody. We don’t want it to be for everybody. We’re not AN, and I hope we never are.
LL is intelligent, readable, and out-and-out crass, and that’s exactly how we like it. If some people get offended, then that’s not a concern of mine. If I’m going to spend dozens of hours on this site every week, I don’t really want to spend them dealing with the oversensitive.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And that's well within your rights.
But AN is one of my favorite blogs (at least the community) and I would like an SBN blog like that for the Mariners. You don’t have to want that.
I expressed my disappointment is all.
There are things I would like to change about LSB, of course.
But not much. For one, it has one of the best bloggers out there whose attitude in general is the example I want from someone writing for the community I choose to be a part of.
What I would change there would probably be banning a few specific people, but I understand the idea of letting somewhere “police itself.”
There's way more Texas than people!
But yeah you’re right, I’m just being a smart ass.
The people or the state physically?
Because the state is something that can’t be matched in physical beauty, but the people there are almost as bad as those from New York
I don't care how well he does for the M's...FUCK ENDY CHAVEZ
This subthread is the last thing that needs to happen
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
As an Austinite
I would like you to please remind everyone that yes, a lot of stupid conservative texans are unbareable, but us Austinites consider ourselves the Seattle of Texas… And as a proud almost student of University of Seattle and former resident of Seattle, I would like to respectfully disagree with your insinuation that all Texans are like the fuckers above you refer to and remind you to please be more specific in the future.
This is our year.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/1/29/739765/the-socket-joint-rotator-c
by FormerLSBUser on May 13, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I have lived in both Texas and Washington.
I have a lot of trouble anyone who didn’t just have blind state pride (which I understand) could think Texas is even close to the state we have here.
That said, I think hating on Texas got kind of old several decades ago. It’s still a state with a lot ot offer (good and bad).
Yes
But we ban everyone who we think is dumb so there’s an obvious bias in there
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
That would only be possible if everyone on this site stopped drinking.
And you know that won’t happen. In fact, I feel like cracking open a Fat Tire right now.
I can't stop recommending Cinder Cone, 'tis but a seasonal. So jump on it!
Price went up at the local grocer however.
Nice!
You know, for my birthday next year, I want to tour all the microbreweries in the Northwest. I think that might be fun.
Deschutes product out of Bend, Oregon. Every spring like clockwork.
Didn’t have the pizzaz it had last year, but my pallet is notoriously bad. Takes a sledgehammer to register, seriously. Still most brewers hold over hops from last season to the next to mix in, supposed to get a better continuity and all.
Absolutely.
And nice touch with the hypocritical subject line.
You twist the use of sarcasm pretty far.
And I believe my original point was that having a civil place for the Mariners on LSB would be nice. I don’t think I said that you’re necessarily doing anything wrong. So I fail to see the hypocrisy.
If you actually feel like reading the thoughts of a couple of my friends and find the discourse to be a turn-off, I would definitely take that to heart. I don’t intend on talking trash towards fan bases.
The problem is a lot of your LSB friends do seem to intend just that
so that tends to raise the collective hackles.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
Hypocrisy.
You said: “Well you spend so much time calling the entirety of LSB garbage.”
followed by talking about sweeping generalizations.
We don’t spend much time at all discussing LSB. Outside of LSB members coming here to troll us, we pay LSB no heed at all.
As for your other comments.
I have no interested in any kind of blog war between LL and LSB. There’s a reason I’ve been sticking around this thread issuing four warning to any member of LL going over to LSB tonight.
I would LOVE for LL members to come over, personally.
I would just hope we were accepting of them, I would hope they weren’t trolls, and I would hope they’re sensitive towards losses (even when logical about those losses, it’s best to just stay away).
Why to which part?
If it’s loving for them to come over, because I think cross-pollination is a good thing. Some reasonable Mariners perspectives I, personally, wouldn’t mind seeing when relevent.
When not relevent, well. . . the more the merrier, I guess.
I'm pretty sure that this wouldn't work at all during game threads.
by .Taylor on May 13, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose we could trade analysis of the AL West. Might work.
by .Taylor on May 13, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
But we don't really want to so there's that problem
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
True.
LSB posters can just read LL stuff on LL.
by .Taylor on May 13, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant the little people of this blog.
Not the writers who don’t want to stoop to other teams levels, I mean having those from other teams in the comment sections.
And my comment wasn’t trying to get people over. It was saying I’d enjoy it. I’m not really sure that needed a condescending attitude to come along.
My statement was simply: I wouldn’t mind talking to Mariners fans, as well.
That's like exactly what we've been talking about for hours
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Was that my point?
Or was my point that I would like (and not mind) if they came to LSB, but if they don’t big deal?
Your point seems to keep jumping around.
Because for a long while your point seemed to be wanting a Mariner blog on SBN that you could comment at.
Or at least enjoy reading.
Yes, that was one of my points at some point in this thread.
Not in this subset of comments, though.
The trick to solving an argument is to determine what exactly the question is.
Your question seems to be “is there a way for fans/posters from various teams to communicate and discuss their respective teams amongst each other?”
The answer would be “yes.” Roundtable chats. Post reasonably and respectfully on other blogs. Ask questions at other blogs. Read their content. There are plenty of ways.
by .Taylor on May 14, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Frankly, I find it impressive that J/M/G
have taken the time to respond to your comments. That in itself should tell you a lot about the “civility” of LL.
Learn to lighten up and not take everything on the internet at face value. I really hope you’re not taking the fag and cocaine comments seriously.
Or the panties in a bunch comment.
But yes, I am surprised this went on as long as it did. J/M/G must’ve had nothing better to do tonight.
I'm still debating whether I should write something about this game
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I would only want you to write about it because you write such good content.
That game seriously sucked, I don’t know if it is worth being revisited.
Or a photo recap.
I think Jeff should have experimented a bit more with that.
Actually, on second thought, a lot of photoshopping ensued.
It's hard to do that without seeming like I'm just recycling material
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeff should save the Recap in Pictures idea for the day the Ms win the World Series.
…We’re never going to see a Recap in Pictures again in our lifetime.
Yeah Jeff.
You should bring that back. That’d be a great idea.
...and now I'm here
I think it was soon after the "recap in pictures" that Jeff started hating me.
...and now I'm here
Once the Mariners turn bad I hate everybody
by Jeff Sullivan on May 14, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude...
That’s a lot of hate.
...and now I'm here
Jeff needs more humility and learn how to be accepting of other people
like the person he claims to be.
Not seriously to the point that I'm crying or angry.
I do find them distasteful, though. As do I find blog wars to be. And I’m sure I’m going to have a response “that’s LL, learn to deal or get out,” and I understand that.
We're really much more pleasant when we're not playing the Rangers
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Why does a nearly irrelevant team get you all up in arms?
And, from having cruised here on and off over close to a year or so, I believe you.
Because commenters from their blog came here and trolled.
How are you not getting this?
The Rangers themselves don't get me all up in arms
Playing them actually used to put me to sleep when MLB.tv had the Texas broadcast (not intended as an insult, that’s just how it worked).
It’s when we start getting LSB trolls that people get irritated, and we tend to get a lot of them.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I get the trolls.
I think the trolls are stupid and should be banned. Definitely not my issue, nor do I defend them.
Admittedly, I have found it hard not to troll here in the past. Of all the blogs I ever go to, it’s the only one that compells me to do so. You guys do write some inciting stuff.
You can defend that, but I hope at least you can understand it.
For what it's worth I think we've gotten a lot better at being pleasant on the main page and putting the inciting stuff in the comments
I think we’re maturing.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
If people are offended by common curse words then I'm not even going to bother trying to appease them
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I say things like gosh fucking darnit.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I have never said this to anyone before
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose in the technical sense.
But you should just go say it to someone now to get it out of the way
yep
Click on the profile of the people who have trolled lookout landing and I think you will find that most of them have never trolled any other SBN site. Its not some deep character trait.
This site has a specific tone quite unique among SBN and sports pages in general. You post a joke thats meant for your crowd, but this being the internet our crowd sees it. Most people have the restraint to at least keep the responses on lonestarball, a few don’t. And not everyone has been around long enough to know whats typical around here.
Thus everyone here then sees a couple trolls from lonestarball, bash them and lonestarball in general. Then lonestarball sees that, and now everyone thinks everyone else is an idiot… when in reality if you back out of these specific threads that ignited bashing eachother you will find intelligent baseball discussion on both.
As I said in my previous comment, I completely admit guilt to doing the same thing. I saw Jeff call us all idiots, and thus I drop some rationality and insult lookout landing out of spite.
Nice vicious cycle we’ve got going. Start the healing!
the preceding post was a great success.
And you are going to tell me straight up
That the actual baseball discussion threads have very little intelligent discussion and only a few decent posters?
the preceding post was a great success.
So.. thats a no?
Feel free to say what you think so I can reply to your actual words.
That is clearly the overall feeling on this website that philkid was addressing.
the preceding post was a great success.
Honestly?
I don’t care. Just keep your trolls off our blog.
..then why are you replying?
i didn’t beg you to get involved.
the preceding post was a great success.
Because you directly asked me a question.
So I replied.
Who the fuck cares?
Why do you care so much about what we think of you? I’m pretty sure most of us don’t give a shit what you think about us, we just don’t want a bunch of you coming over and making a bunch of dumbass comments every time we play each other, which has been happening for years.
Well
I’ve seen comments from LSB posted over here many many times.
Who would enjoy a group of people bashing their community? If you all have such think skin this debate wouldn’t have gotten past the deletion of a couple troll posts.
the preceding post was a great success.
Sure it would
Because, as has been explained previously, y’all being so sensitive is funny to us and we want to keep it going for the humor of it all.
sure, thats it.
I know what I’ve seen and I didn’t come over here to try to take more potshots.
This has taken a turn for the worse, goodbye.
the preceding post was a great success.
Perhaps we should just agree that we like our respective communities and that it's probably quite unfair to judge them by their game threads
The majority of LSB wouldn’t like LL, and the majority of LL wouldn’t like LSB. That much is pretty clear. So all that’s left to do is make sure that idiots don’t start flaming the other website. Put that to an end and we’ll all be peaches.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 14, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course it does
In fact, using memes out of context is one of the biggest humor-killers of all, so I’d say it’s an even bigger issue for the native posters than for the visitors.
heh
Can you not see that I just explained the context of lonestarball posts that I think you are ignoring?
the preceding post was a great success.
How about this conversation you are having right now?
I’d call this pretty civil. If J/M/G wanted too, they could of just banned you too along with the rest of them and been pretty justified about it.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.428 wOBA, 21 years old.
I disagree on it being pretty civil.
My standard for civil would probably be Beyond the Boxscore, Lone Star Ball and Coug Center, where I spend most of my time. With some notable exceptions, they don’t have a whole lot of garbage getting thrown around.
At the very least I would imagine those who revel in their debauchery wouldn’t be bothered by similar response.
We are generally civil unless not shown civility in return
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I find it a little bit odd that someone who has ever used tRA can think we're incapable of a civil conversation here
How do you think we developed it? Calling each other faggots until it worked?
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
shut up buttpirate
GOD
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on May 13, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't necessarily think you're entirely incapable.
If I’ve said so, it was a mistake. More accurate would be not at the level I PERSONALLY would wish for.
You don’t want that, I understand.
I don't see how #1 isn't civil.
And while you could make an argument for #2, it’s not exactly false(neither is #1).
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.428 wOBA, 21 years old.
BtB's comments are horrifically uncivil and I rarely comment there anymore for that very reason.
The mods aren’t willing to do what it would take to make it a less acidic place to comment and that’s fine because it’s their show; I adore R.J., I’ve had plenty of great discussions with Sky and I think the rest of y’all do a bang up job on the content. But to call the commenting environment civil is a massive stretch.
I’m not even going to comment upon LSB being a model of civility other than to say that my experience reading comment threads generally makes me want to jump off of a bridge.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I'd have to sat BtB is far from civil
by JI on May 13, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much everything larry has ever said ever, for one.
I don’t feel like searching the archives for specific examples, but there are a few posters that are routinely face-meltingly acerbic to people with whom they disagree on things which are clearly matters of opinion, and they’re given pretty much free reign.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I would actually like if SBN had a private message system.
Because I thank you for this response and wouldn’t mind talking about it, but for privately discussed reasons, it shouldn’t be public.
It's called warning and flagging
Play with your admin abilities more
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I do
I assume you’re referring to comment content, as opposed to written front-page content. The comment content is often civil and reasonably insightful, with game threads being the exception, but even there people are simply feeding off their emotions, and I don’t see the point in censoring them. Crassness is only a problem to the oversensitive.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus there's a warning about game threads right there on the front page
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I understand the Game Day Threads.
But one of your fellow mods used the GDT of LSB as his only evidence for the problems there.
Well my main piece of evidence is really that some of your commenters feel the need to post here
We have no desire to integrate into the greater community of blogdom.
by Graham MacAree on May 13, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
People that aren't interested in LL's standards are the issue.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I get that.
I certainly understand my being an issue. BUt it should be because I don’t like the way you do things, not because I’m a fan of another team. If you hate me for thinking you’re annoying, that’s just fine.
Fans of other teams are always welcome here.
As long as they behave.
Basically what this comes down to is you guys talking shit in your own house and LSB being offended by the bad language
This has gotten ridiculous
Is LSB really offended by bad language
Because some of the posters that trolled here had no problems using it.
I understand that they would have a man crush on Hamilton and all.
But I don’t understand how they could be so sensitive to some jokes.
The entire Pacific Northwest's cultural notoriety is based on that in fact.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I was actually just explaining this to a friend at night.
I’m primarily a Dallas sports fan, but I’ve lived her long enough to know what’s up.
Real team; fake sport.
Personally, I’m hoping the Seattle Mist can carry us to our city’s first title since 1917.
Which strikes me as silly
because you’d think LSB would know not to take any of the jokes we make seriously. Robert aside I don’t think any of the males among us actually want to let Felix finish on their face.
by Jeff Sullivan on May 13, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't necessarily know how offended people are by them.
If they were ,though, I wouldn’t necessarily just shrug if off as silly.
I offend people all the time and often times it’s probably their own lameness, but I’m still willing to think I may have gone over the line.
I may not have been in this discussion
But I read the whole thing. And you definately came across that way.
I'm attempting to present an opinion as measured as I can.
That’s all. I don’t mean to seem like Captain Moral Highground, because I’m not. I certainly have not claimed to be, nor will I.
my favorite part of the internet
is when you go into an insecurity rage.
the preceding post was a great success.
Let's not start this between you two on another blog
at least keep it localized.
"Hustle doesn't cost a dime and it looks good." - Pete Rose as Channeled by Marcus Lemon
I wonder how long we can keep this thread active
by Jeff Sullivan on May 14, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
What am I going to do, hide every subthread?
by Jeff Sullivan on May 14, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
horse moWell you sure have been on your highst of this thread to be honest
I mean, most of what I’ve read has been a passive aggressive snipes about how much you value the virtue of humility and are upset by the lack of it from the moderators.
What the hell
That’s supposed to read “You sure have been on your high horse most of this thread to be honest”
I have found entirely new ways to make typos
That’s just how innovative and brilliant I am.
This is the most disgusting comment in LL history
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
That wasn't disgusting, that was fucking hilarious.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
You're right.
In fact, you’re so right, I think it’s giving me a rash.
by Matthew on May 13, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So we tell our own players to go die in a horrible fire we all laugh and agree.
WE say Hamilton does crack and we get trolls.
Ummmmmmmm?!?
You got slurved bitch.
The Rangers fans around here have been just bloody terrible.
I never thought any team could supplant the Angels for most hated, but these guys are doing a lot to raise my disgust of all things Texas. Although, being an Alaskan I was born with a pretty shitty opinion of the state of Texas.
Fear the NPE
The HH folk do us the service of sticking to their own blog
I think all of this winning is so foreign for the modern day Rangers fan that they don’t know how to comport themselves.
It's annoying that I don't feel like I can post at LSB or HH because of a couple of fucking retards.
Sometimes I have questions about specific things that a team specific blog would be the best place to ask, but the only AL West blog I would consider posting at at this point is AN.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
At the risk of entering the gray area and having people misinterpret what I write here as permission to go troll,
you can go over there and ask questions. Just be aware of the current state of affairs. In other words, there’s a severe travel advisory under effect for LL to LSB
No, I don't feel like I can post there any more.
For more than one specific reason.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
This.
There are idiots there just like there are here and everywhere. I personally encourage you to continue, but having been to enemy territories myself, I get how unpleasent it can be.
I read LL all the time.
You guys are damn witty and it’s fun to read. And while I consider the M’s to be division rivals I have all the respect for M’s fans and baseball fans as a whole (minus Red Sox fans).
Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!
That seems actually easy to do.
Do you not have thumbs or something?
dunno but i do love your gifs
and even in defeat LL is awesomely entertaining. finding humor in a tough loss is hard to come up with but it always happens here.
Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!
Thanks.
We’re not exactly lovable losers, but we certainly make do.
by .Taylor on May 14, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah, back to the important things in life.
You know, ironically, a White Sox fan about a week ago went over to LoneStarBall and proceeded to get offended over LSB comments that Hawk Harrelson should get cancer.
Naturally, the commenters over there defended their right to say whatever the hell they wanted on their blog. Hell, I even jumped in and told the White Sox fan he was being too sensitive.
And yet here we are facing the same issue…
(BTW, just so it’s clear for the sexy people, I’m done going over there. Let it not be said that Omerta stooped to that level…)
Shannon Drayer had an interesting interview with Yuni, for what it's worth.
English also, he sounded suitably humbled yet completely clueless about his plate discipline issues with Wakamatsu.
I saw some dugout shots of him tonight.
Reminded me of a puppy who just got smacked on the nose for pooping on the carpet. Equal parts repentant and ignorant.
I figured it out and now I think it's easy.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
But it wasn't easy up until the point you were trained to do it?
by JI on May 13, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The difficult part was finding a program that worked and was free.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
What are you using?
I’ve been using Handbrake to convert my video files into an AVI format, then I use VirtualDub to crop and convert the video to gif.
GIMP with the GAP plugin is pretty handy.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I've had a few people recommend GIMP.
I might have to take a look at that.
It's an opensource Photoshop.
Not as powerful, somewhat wonky, but free! and the GAP plugin makes gifs of a fairly decent quality. By far the best I’ve found for free.
by Aaron Campeau on May 13, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Fascinating.
I’ll have to play with that tomorrow.
Broke mine, apparently it's a resource hog.
iMovie has been highly recommended but I have yet to give it a shot. GIMP takes a bit of tweaking, it comes with very explicit instruction. I’m using a G-5 which might have been part of my problem.
Also you should know that I'm not in anyway shape or form computer literate.
Typing class was great, but no computer experience to speak of.
YES I WAS WAITING FOR THIS GIF
After I saw that happen live, I just knew one day…
I was hoping someone would get around to giffing this
It’s a little bit terrifying, actually, it’s like he’s possessed or something.
He's not a puppy. He a MLB player. If only he could act like one.
He isn’t coachable. He needs to go. To another team to triple A, wherever, he needs to go. Oh, and he should probably take Loafie with him.
Waiting to spit out the "Doublemint Twins".
by Sinking Away on May 13, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Relating to an earlier comment/question about catcher defense that I can't seem to locate.
I found this post by Tango. It may have been linked previously, if so my apologies. Pretty interesting read.
Hay guys
do you think the Ms should trade Washburn for Pujols? The Cards really need pitching.
by JI on May 14, 2009 12:01 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Dontrelle Willis was my lesson that I shouldn't try to argue baseball stats with people who know ALOT more about them than I do.
I can’t remember if it was you or Dave Cameron, or DMZ, or whatever, but I remember back in the 2005 offseason that one of you guys was saying that Dontrelle Willis was gonna be bad pretty soon and likely out of baseball by the time he was 30. I remember calling bullshit and arguing about it, even though I clearly had no idea what I was talking about.
So so wrong.
The Rise of a Superstar:Justin Upton-.428 wOBA, 21 years old.
I am not considered a regular poster here.
I’m not an analyst. I simply enjoy reading intelligent comments about the team I am a fan of. But I only read LL and consider myself a regular reader. Not a “regular” by conventional means, but I consider myself a member. I try to obey the rules set forth, although I have pushed it a couple times with .jpgs.
With that said, I would never take it upon myself to troll LSB. I would expect to be flamed (which happens to EVERY troll on any other blog/forum/messageboard). I would also expect my comments to make LL look bad if I did that, and I would expect LSB to ban me and I would expect the mods here to piss in my cereal before giving me the ban-stick.
I don’t understand how this isn’t common sense.
Thanks for the laughs though. It definately made this loss a little easier to take.
It should be common sense.
Thanks for not trolling, and I believe any Rangers trolls should be flamed and banned here.
And I would also hope they aren’t used as representatives of LSB.
(I am not a representative of LSB, either. These comments do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or opinions of Adam J. Morris, Brett Perryman, Lone Star Ball or Sports Blog Nation.)
But you are a representative of LSB.
That’s my point. I’m not saying your comments reflect the beliefs of the mods, but you still represent LSB. As even I would be representing LL even though I’m nothing to these guys.
Where are they at on achievements these days?
I quit just before they added scout achievements.
sniper achievements are being posted on their website
Huntsman to replace the sniper rifle
Driven into right-center field, Erstad says he has it...the Angels, world champions!
Yay I'm a pawn!
And to think, I was just getting comfortable being the time clock.
I hear people who do cocaine get angry
...and now I'm here
Actually the people I've met who have been on cocaine have been quite pleasant
See where stereotypes get you? On a bus to Bigrotyville that’s where. For shame.
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