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The Miguel Batista Memorial Book cLLub: Genesis

The Lookout Landing community is saturated with intellectual curiosity and a healthy quest for knowledge. As such, we are starting a book club. This will not be some shoddy assemblage of retired grandmothers sweatin' to the classics. Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the Miguel Batista Memorial Book cLLub.

While the rules aren't entirely set in stone yet, we plan to have moderated on-the-fly discussions covering our chosen books. The pace will be aggressively steady so as to move through books methodically while also allowing working people to stay on top of their reading. We of the MBMBC do not want for anyone to have to do without the other niceties in life, such as watching Brandon Morrow walk the world. The early plan is to have a rotating panel of discussion moderators with new books ideas coming from open suggestions (Fukushima 18785).

The first book: Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. Reading begins on Monday, May 18th. We'll figure out who will be modding the first set, although I imagine it will be seattlebruin, NOLA, and myself. We'll set some chapter guidelines/targets for P&P&Z by Monday. If you desire to be a member of the LLiterati, go forth and purchase copies of the book, as the reviews are wondrous.

Edit: Read the first 104 pages (through chapter 24) by Monday the 25th. We'll begin an open discussion thread starting on the 25th. Seeing as how the 25th is Memorial Day and I know I'm sure as hell not sitting inside discussing books via the internet on a beautiful day, let's start Tuesday. Go forth and enjoy the world. 

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BrianL –
26148 Posts/451 Days=57.98Posts/Day
Jeff –
65808/1565=42.05P/D

Given the 39660 difference in posts, and the 15.93P/D difference, BrianL will pass Jeff on Tuesday, March 8th, 2016.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on May 14, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

You're asking me this on a baseball stats based blog?

Also, it’s possible.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on May 14, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, we'll probably need to start suggestions for the next book at the start of each thread as well - that way people have ample time to obtain copies

something like Miguel Batista’s The Avenger of Blood, a chilling story that will force us to question everything we thought we knew about justice and the mysterious paths of faith.

by seattlebruin on May 11, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think I'm in on this

I have really fallen behind with reading. I used to read a couple books per week, but it has been way too long since I’ve picked up and finished a good book

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on May 11, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I broke down and just bought it.

Those 55 people ahead of me at the library can keep their darned copies.

by msb on May 11, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Other suggestions

Bringing Down the House
Moneyball
Twilight Saga
Harry Potter series
The Great Gatsby

by seattlebruin on May 11, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I strangely liked it in HS

I don’t know if I’d like it now that I’ve gotten over the whole unrequited love thing.

Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"

by bluemax on May 12, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question:

The opening line of Pride and Prejudice is: “It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife.” Did Jane Austen just do a comma splice?

by Decatur on May 11, 2009 3:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fortunately, the reworking is sans splice.
It is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains.

by abender20 on May 11, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really a comma splice

but you wouldn’t see, this kind of comma usage, nowadays.

What're ya gonna do with those pies, boys?

by rickpo on May 11, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yessir.

Not a comma splice, but some unfamiliar comma usage.

by Teej on May 11, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm way ahead of you guys

Got my copy of P&P&Z last Thursday and am about 45 pages in. I’ll slow down.

by appleshampoo on May 11, 2009 3:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A few (way too many) book suggestions for the future.

Criteria: no politics, no religion, awesome, stuff LL community wouldn’t be able to put down. I’ve read what I’m suggesting and they’re all among my favorite books.

a) Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurty

Strengths: Pulitzer Prize-winning epic novel, almost certainly the greatest Western (as in “Cowboys,” not “all of Western civilization”) novel ever written. 850-odd pages blazes by.

Weaknesses: Well, it’s 850 pages, and even if its a thrilling read, that’s a big commitment of time.

b) Blood and Thunder: An Epic of the America West, by Hampton Sides

Strengths: essentially a biography of Kit Carson, who was the most famous American hero I’d never of until I read this book last summer. Carson was involved in what seems like just about every important thing to happen west of Kansas City between the 1830s and 1868 or so. The book is amazingly written and the dialogue and correspondence are well documented, so it really comes alive. Tells about the settling of the west, the taking of California, the Mexican-American War, the history of New Mexico, the Navajos’ story, and the Civil War out west. A really great way for us from the Western U.S. to learn about the heritage of the region where we live or grew up in .

Weaknesses: Although there’s almost nothing about political parties in it, it might veer too close to politics or sensitive subjects simply by osmosis – Indian removal, the annexation of Mexico’s territory, etc. But I feel confident this wouldn’t happen, at least.

c) Memoirs of a Geisha by Arthur Golden

Strengths: An absorbing, powerful narrative and an interesting window on Japanese culture – might be especially interesting to hear the differing takes on the book from all the Japanese-speakers and other Japanophiles here.

Weaknesses: I have no idea how culturally accurate it is.

d) Master and Commander by Patrick O’Brien

Strengths: The first book in the 19-part Aubrey-Maturin novels, which follow two British men, a naval officer and a surgeon/naturalist/spy, during their adventures in the Napoleonic Wars. Magnificent writing (and also a magnificent audiobook version by Patrick Tull), and we can learn what life really was like “on a boat” this way.

Weaknesses: Might be a little off-base for a LL discussion.

e) Girl with a Pearl Earring by Tracy Chevalier

Strengths: quick, short, sparingly written but very absorbing and moving. You can read it in one sitting. I saw Tracy Chevalier speak at the main hall in the Seattle Central Library, where only the coolest people are allowed to speak!

Weaknesses: Also a little off-base, perhaps.

f) The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde

Strengths: It’s Oscar Bloody Wilde

Weaknesses: Dangerously awesome.

BASEBALL BOOKS:
I haven’t read any of these, but they’ve been on my Amazon wishlist for a while – anyone have any opinions on them?
Branch Rickey: Baseball’s Ferocious Gentleman By Lee Lowenfield
The hidden Language of Baseball by Paul Dickson
The Mental Game of Baseball By H A Dorfman
The Numbers Game: Baseball’s Lifelong Fascination with Statistics By Alan Schwartz
Clemente: the Passion and Grace of Baseball’s Last Hero by David Maraniss

Also, I think the Miguel Batista Memorial Book cLLub needs a good memorial slogan: I suggest this, from the Avenger of Blood’s back matter:

“In this thrilling debut, Miguel Batista will have readers questioning their faith in divine justice.”

by Decatur on May 11, 2009 5:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget The Soul of Baseball: A Road Trip Through Buck O'Neil's America by Joe Posnanski

I like the Maraniss book, but didn’t think I’d learned anything I hadn’t known from reading other Clemente bios. Nice photos, though. If one hadn’t been obsessed with Clemente since adolesence, however, it would be a good introduction :)

by msb on May 12, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I did actually read the Soul of Baseball.

It was really good. My mom actually met Buck O’Neill on an airplane about 6 or 7 years ago, and when the flight got delayed for a long time for mechanical reasons, he signed autographs for everyone who wanted them (my mom got me a business card) and he went up to the cockpit and told stories for a couple hours.

What’s your favorite Clemente book, by the way?

by Decatur on May 12, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably the Maranis, just for the completeness

The problem is that for me, none have them have been stand-outs as books, and of course you can’t watch him, which is one of the joys of Clemente. There are also Pride of Puerto Rico by Paul Robert Walker and the love-fest Roberto Clemente by Bruce Markusen.

Do you have Jonathan Eig’s Lou Gehrig & Jackie Robinson books on your list?

by msb on May 12, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did read Opening Day (Eig's Robinson book).

I haven’t read many baseball books (Ball Four, the Boys of Summer, Moneyball, Opening Day, and the Soul of Baseball are all that come to mind at the moment), but Jackie Robinson’s story is, obviously, much bigger than baseball, so I’m glad I read about it. It’s a little bit sad to read about how Jackie never really became friends with his teammates until the end of the 1947 season, although they respected him. Or how Pee Wee Reese’s famous arm around Jackie’s shoulder in Cincinnati probably never actually happened in 1947 (and is rather a conflated memory of other incidents) – I loved the childrens’ book I read about that when I was little. But it’s still really inspiring, and I still have tremendous respect for his teammates, even if the legends aren’t quite what the reality is. I loved hearing Robinson swearing like a sailor in Kahn’s book, though – he had some amazingly cool tirades about people he didn’t like.

by Decatur on May 12, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the subject of baseball books

There’s always Ball Four, but I’m also partial toVeeck—As In Wreck.

It is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains. -- P&P&Z

by Two Rs and Two Ls on May 12, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ball Four is one of my absolute favorite books of all time.

I’d be happy to moderate that, as I know most of the book from memory at this point.

by abender20 on May 12, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's been a couple years since I read it, but it was a pretty good read.

It is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains. -- P&P&Z

by Two Rs and Two Ls on May 12, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will partake in this nonsense.

Maybe P & P & Z is more interesting than Pride and Prejudice.

by Mariner John on May 11, 2009 7:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

From the reviews I read

it contains a vast majority of the original text.

Oh how I wish I had my Senior AP English teacher’s email. I’d love to see her reaction to me reading this.

Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"

by bluemax on May 12, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've read it twice in 3 years

Or I guess I should say “read”.

by Mariner John on May 12, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pride and Prejudice is a great book!

Of course, it could be that I like it because I’m female. I’ve met very few women that don’t love Pride and Prejudice.

How about The Zombie Survival Giude by Max Brooks? Supposed to be very good, very few bad reviews on Amazon.

by drm1125 on May 11, 2009 8:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh im in, definitely

I recommend The Crying of Lot 49.

Read it about a year ago, amazing.

Though there are political themes, but I wonder if they’re handled lightly enough to abide by the rules of LL? I hope so

by Karma Police on May 11, 2009 9:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Essentially, we can't read anything with heavy political/religious themes because it would kill the discussion

it’s totally OK to read whatever we want for the bookclub, but the point is to be able to discuss it on LL, where the no discussion of politics or religion rule applies

by seattlebruin on May 11, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

After I'm done with my course load for this quarter I'd love to join in.

As far as book ideas, I can’t recommend The Name of the Wind enough.

by BrianL on May 11, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fuck! You guys are reading Pride Predjudice and Zombies?

I’ve been interested in this book but too lazy to purchase it.

All right Amazon has it actually shipping properly (2 days).

I’m taking the plunge.

Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"

by bluemax on May 12, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And ordered

Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"

by bluemax on May 12, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it arrived today

Amazon Prime is the best thing ever.

Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"

by bluemax on May 13, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MIGUEL BATISTA HAS AN ESPN DEPORTES BLOG!

I found it courtesy of the Global Baseball blog (which you check it out because it’s sweet). I’ve just discovered a literary goldmine! Batista’s blog goes back all the way to June 2007, and he updates it at least once a month, usually more. Unfortunately I speak no Spanish, but maybe someone who does can find the choicest passages for the LLiterati to enjoy.

http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/blogs/index?name=miguel_batista

Also, I found an actual review of Batista’s book on a blog called GirlLovesSports.

This book is not about criminal insanity. You see, the premise isn’t really that the teenage serial killer might be insane. The premise is, the teenage serial killer is possessed by an angel who makes him kill bad people. Yes, literally possessed by an angel.

His publisher also has an excerpt of his book here.

Hmmm…

by Decatur on May 12, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Book suggestion

we should read American Gods (no religion honestly) by Neal Gaiman, mostly so I can finally finish it.

Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"

by bluemax on May 12, 2009 4:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll read that next

if I ever finish American Gods

Paris Hilton, Burberry plaid, reality TV, mullets, Zima, Dubya, and the Sonics being sold to Oklahoma City. - Yahoo Answer results for "7 Signs of the Apocalypse"

by bluemax on May 15, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As it is right now, I'm doubling over on Night by Elie Wiesel and To Kill a Mockingbird.

But, I think I will get right on this come next month.

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by qrsouther on May 14, 2009 7:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My Pride and Prejudice and Zombies has arrived!

Did we ever decide how far we were reading to?

by Decatur on May 15, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Do I really have to stop reading by a certain point?

’cause that was always a failing of mine in elementary school….

by msb on May 15, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK.

I just wrapped up the Percy Jackson series, so I’m ready to get going.

by msb on May 15, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just what exactly is involved with a structured group book reading anyway?

I’ve known people involved in book clubs, but never had the time for one and never thought to ask.

by Kermit. on May 15, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hooray.

I didn’t think I’d have time to participate in this, but I just bought the book, and I’m in meetings all weekend, soooo I’ll have time to start reading. I’m very pleased to be a part of this.

by katal on May 15, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay.

So I gather that we’re waiting til Monday to start reading? Just don’t want to screw up.

by royalcurve on May 15, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I almost bought P&P&Z before I left for work and didn't. Dammit, now I can't participate.

Unless there is a Kindle version? I’ll have to check.

Pride and Prejudice is possibly my favorite book of all time, so I was hesitant to read this. I mean, I F’ing love zombies, but when someone re-writes your favorite book as a zombie yarn it worries you. Can anyone who has actually started reading assure me the author treats the story with the respect I believe it deserves?

Fear the NPE

by thewyrm on May 15, 2009 3:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In the interest of playing this thing out, I'll post the email.

The mysterious masked defender of Miguel Batista sent both an email to Decatur and I yesterday.

Hi there,
I am using the same message, because we are friends and when we go into this was to defend our friends, we respect the work of them as altruistic people. You can attack Miguel as a baseballplayer, but as human being leave in peace.
Stephy and I are friends with Ms. Martinez, she is Miguel Batista’s advertising agent. I admire the work that they do not in baseball, writing or journalism, I admire them because of their humanitarian work in Latin American. By the way I think that building the web as a writer should not be a matter of cynical mockery. I don’t know a lot about baseball but Batista had a good year in 2007, and a very bad one in 2008, this year he goes better. It is not his fault that the manager does not use him. Blame the manager.
 
Regards,
Eileen and Stephy

by abender20 on May 18, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must acquire The Avenger of Blood now

as an aside, good for Miguel for doing lots of well-documented charity work in Latin America. Doesn’t make him any better at baseball or writing.

by seattlebruin on May 18, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry.

I’m not quite sure what to think of this.

by Taylor H on May 18, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHAT
Aron Bender to me show details 6:06 PM (1 hour ago)

You post this one. Good lord.
- Hide quoted text -

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Darlene Torres Bonnet <eileen369@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sirs,
I am sending to Trafford and the Washington State Library information about the use and abuse that you are doing with Miguel Batista’s covers. I am asking them to take legal action about it. I suggest removing this covers from your site.
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/5/11/872099/the-miguel-batista-memorial-book?login=1242161437
 
Eileen.

Sorry, Sexy People :(

by Decatur on May 18, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh dammit, I posted her name and email.

J/M/G and can you please hide the previous post.

by Decatur on May 18, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHAT
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM…wrote:
Dear Sirs,
I am sending to Trafford and the Washington State Library information about the use and abuse that you are doing with Miguel Batista’s covers. I am asking them to take legal action about it. I suggest removing this covers from your site.
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/5/11/872099/the-miguel-batista-memorial-book?login=1242161437
 
Eileen.

Sorry, Sexy People :(

by Decatur on May 18, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is hilarious.

How exactly is this related to the Washington state library?

by redwolf75 on May 18, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably hosting the image.

The site can request that the hotlink be removed, or change the picture or move it so nothing shows up. But the powers that be could just host it themselves, and in making fun of it, it falls under fair use as commentary.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on May 18, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, I pulled the image from Amazon

so trafford (the hosting site) must somehow be affiliated with a retailer. I don’t think they’re going to pull an image over a few folks on the internet making fun of the book. They’re probably hoping we get curious and buy it.

by seattlebruin on May 18, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, well, well.

Estefania (I’m assuming Stephy), had ‘similar’ things to say to on Yelp:

Estefania B. says:

Don’t worry Steve,
Eileen and I are friends with Ms. Martinez, she is Miguel Batista’s advertising agent. I admire the work that they do not in baseball, writing or journalism, I admire them because of their humanitarian work in Latin American. By the way I think that building the web as a writer should not be a matter of cynical mockery. I don’t know a lot about baseball but Batista had a good year in 2007, and a very bad one in 2008, this year he goes better. It is not his fault that the manager does not use him. Blame the manager.

by melenious on May 18, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHA, is this supposed to be an insult?
Posted by: Estefania
I wonder Mele, Did you fall in love with Miguel Batista? And he rejected you?. ha ha ha ha ahahahhaha

by redwolf75 on May 18, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh that?

I kind of forgot about that, until just now.

Don’t we have some sort of dumb wench filter around here?

by melenious on May 18, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dammit I wish the mods had left the part up where Eileen said:

“Ok so maybe Batista does flirt with ladies in every ballpark and there is no excuse for that…”

by Decatur on May 18, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding? She didn't want anything to do with me.

All she would say was “I love Bendy things!”

by Decatur on May 18, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

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