2-2, Chart

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 9, 2009 1:50 PM PDT in Seattle Mariners Game Recaps

Biggest Contribution: Jarrod Washburn, +66.9%
Biggest Suckfest: Jose Lopez, -20.3%
Most Important AB: Johnson single, +9.4%
Most Important Pitch: Casilla groundout, +12.5%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): +77.0%
Total Contribution by Lineup: -27.0%
Total Contribution by Opposition: 0.0%
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Question Jeff

I feel like sometimes with the WE chart you make corrections to the FG data, on errors or defensive plays and the like…did you give Gutierrez (or Cedeno or Yuni) credit for any of the plays they made behind Washburn?

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Apr 9, 2009 1:57 PM PDT reply actions

Nope

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 9, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions

Someone should maybe take that upon himself as a project.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Apr 9, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions

Was this something you've done in the past

Or am I misremembering?

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Apr 9, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions

I used to do it a long time ago but decided it was entirely too subjective to continue

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 9, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions

Once Hit F/X comes around...

Couldn’t you use a system giving partial credit for plays based on the probability of that play being made (like advanced defensive metrics, if I’m not mistaken) and make a sexy fielding-inclusive WPA?

by Simon Phoenix on Apr 9, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions

ehh

Not worth the effort.

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 9, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions

I was just gonna ask this.

by SethGrandpa on Apr 9, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions

Biggest Contribution: Jarrod Washburn

It’s like Backwards Day at school!

the offseason sucks

by section331 on Apr 9, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions

Small sample and all that

but Yuni’s showing some agility in the field that just was not there last year. I know you’ve already made not of it (was it the Silva start?) but its worth reiterating.

If Yuni plays above average defense this year it’ll be worth an extra win for the team at least. The outfield was projected to be awesome and is so far as advertised. Beltre is still great, Lopez will be /-5 runs, Branyan/Sweeney/Shelton also. If Yuni can recapture some of that 0<x<10 magic we’re looking at a .500 true talent team (I’m assuming Clement is back with the big club come May).

by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 9, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions

If Yuni plays above average defense this year I will eat my hat.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 9, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions

You should buy a nacho hat

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 9, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs

Nacho nacho man...

I will smash your face into a jelly.

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Apr 9, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions

I want to be a nacho man.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 9, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions

It's not at all improbable

see Jeter, Derek.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 9, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions

When was the last time he played above average defense?

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 9, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions

He played average defense last year after posting a -18 season

by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 9, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions

Putting up average defensive numbers over the course of one season isn't the same as playing average defense.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 9, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions

same goes for putting up miiserable defensive numbers

and Yuni’s only got one season of that, to go with three seasons of average.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 9, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions

Sure, but Jeter still looked bad and Yuni looked bad in 2007 despite being only -2.8.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 9, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions

Yuni started airmailing throws to first in 07 but I don't remember him looking bad

he was also just a touch below average by PMR and RZR. Maybe your memory betrays you?

by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 9, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions

I remember him looking worse than I expected

however I expected greatness, so “worse” could’ve easily meant average.

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 9, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions

Yeah that was basically the year we realized that we didn't have

a magic Cuban baseball bunny hopping around every which way scooping up grounders but a pretty much normal player with a tendency to throw well wide of first. But he wasn’t bad. Specifically, I remember him ranging way out into left field to grab shallow flies Ibanez couldn’t get to.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 9, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions

I remember a noticable dropoff

but as Jeff said below he was so awesome before that it’s possible that a huge dropoff means below average.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 9, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions

The BIS based metrics don't think he was ever exceptional

and I think we may have been charmed by a handful of flashy plays. All the same, I think a slimmer, more focused, scared for his job Betancourt can possibly end up in the 0 – (+)10 range.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 9, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions

Yuni has looked bad since 2006.

by Sec 108 on Apr 9, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions

For what it's worth, PMR doesn't think Yuni was so awful last year

they have him at -10, which may seem bad at first but the range is 35 to -30.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 9, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions

SBN ate my plusses

wtf. And you had made a note, as opposed to a not, of Yuni’s defense.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 9, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions

Yuni did a fine job of making a not of his defense all by himself.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 9, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions

Damn, missed this game.

Wish I could have seen those stellar defensive plays that everyone is raving about.

by redwolf75 on Apr 9, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions

Jarrod Washburn +66.9

Holy shit…

You got slurved bitch.

by Slurvey on Apr 9, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions

It's gonna be funny as hell when

Jarrod and his 10-6, 3.13 ERA self gets traded for a top-50 prospect later this season.

by craig3410 on Apr 9, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions

Can't complain that we've got 6 games against the Angels this month

5 of those with Ichiro back, and three of them should be Felix/Bedard starts. Angels should have Saunders, Weaver and Loux pitching most of them. Here’s hoping we can go 5-1 in those series.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 9, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions

None of our games against the Angels next week feature Felix or Bedard

The best we can hope for is that they’ll both go against Anaheim in the latter series of this month.

by katal on Apr 9, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions

I realized after I posted that I miscalculated

It’d be nice to skip Wasburn or RRS after the day off Monday to shift things a bit but whatever.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 9, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm hoipng Jakubaukas starts on Saturday, EriKKKKKKKKK on Sunday then Felix Tuesday.

Or something along the lines just not Silva on the home opener please!

You got slurved bitch.

by Slurvey on Apr 9, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions

They'll pitch Silva for the home opener because they are almost guaranteed a sellout.

The games will not sellout and you want your biggest draws when attendance isn’t guaranteed.

by Wilder. on Apr 9, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions

The games after*

by Wilder. on Apr 9, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions

This would be fantastic =)

especially if Felix goes on Friday

by seattlebruin on Apr 9, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions

I was looking at the schedule

to see if I would get to see Felix or Bedard when the M’s are in town at the end of the month, and I think it comes out to being Bedard on Friday, Silva Saturday, Washburn Sunday. Or something worse.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Apr 9, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions