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The Mariners have abandoned, for now, any plans to have former No. 1 draft pick Phillippe Aumont continue in a starting role.
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"We felt that this was a guy, who, if used in a relief role, could be on a real fast-track to the major leagues,'' he said. "And we're talking a real fast track.''

In the end, Zduriencik said, it came down to whether the team was willing to wait several more years for Aumont to develop as a potential front-end starter for the rotation -- never a guarantee -- or go the more likely route of becoming a top bullpen arm in a much shorter timeframe. (Baker)

Phillippe Aumont is 20 years old and just used his A-level heat and sharp breaking ball to sit down some excellent hitters in the WBC. Now, out of nowhere, it appears he's being moved from the rotation into the bullpen. After appearing in all of 15 minor league games.

This may not be permanent. Dave mentions that the front office has been talking about moving Aumont to the bullpen temporarily in an effort to manage his workload. But the way Zduriencik comes off in Baker's piece...I didn't hold the Morrow thing against the organization, because that was simply a matter of his body not being built for such a demanding role, but if this is true, and if this is permanent, then it's an unforgivably, unbelievably, irresponsibly short-sighted decision.

Phillippe Aumont is 20 years old. TWENTY YEARS OLD. There is absolutely no reason to do this.

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I may be jumping to conclusions, as I might be misreading Z's comments, but...

FUCK!

Throw the snacks in the bag and I'm ghost like Swayze!
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by JLProck on Apr 5, 2009 6:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCK THE WBC!

And did we not just experience a painful lesson about putting a dominant starting pitching prospect in the ‘pen before we’re forced to?

by PissedMick on Apr 5, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the fuck

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by Fett42 on Apr 5, 2009 6:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Crap.

There goes my high from the Good News!

by MFAN on Apr 5, 2009 6:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WTF

I am starting to really wonder about Z

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Apr 5, 2009 6:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WHAT THE FUCK

WhA% THE FUCKING HELL DO YOU FUSCKING H+HIUNK YOU’RE PLAYING AT YOU GOD DAMN CUNTING SON OF A BITCH.

I HOPE YOUR ANUS IS INFESTED BY RABID BAGERS AND EVERYONE YOU LOVE IS CHEESEGRATED TO DEATH IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES

by Graham on Apr 5, 2009 6:49 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

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by I'm NOT Corco on Apr 5, 2009 6:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Uh...

this post is four days late. Don’t play.

by PissedMick on Apr 5, 2009 6:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Zduriencik said that when you look at Aumont’s size, most notably his 6-foot-7 height, it lends itself to being a top-of-the-line reliever.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 5, 2009 6:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

THIS HAS TO BE A JOKE

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by I'm NOT Corco on Apr 5, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just saw that.

So, Randy Johnson should have been relegated to the ’pen as well, eh?

Throw the snacks in the bag and I'm ghost like Swayze!
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997

by JLProck on Apr 5, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WEEEEEEEEEEEEE WE'RE STUPID AGAIN!

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on Apr 5, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

PERFECT!

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by I'm NOT Corco on Apr 5, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Revolutionary!

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Apr 5, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand this at all

The whole offseason it seemed like Zdurenciek understood that a bullpen could be put together of low cost/high reward types with live arms. He seemed to get that spending a lot of money and/or draft picks on the bullpen was not a smart move. If this turns out to be true we will have 3 first round draft picks used exclusively for relief purposes in Morrow, Fields and now Aumont.

I hope something change with this otherwise I am going to be really upset. Our rotation is Olsen twin thin and it’d be nice to have an electric arm like Aumont’s waiting to join Felix in a few years. I know that Aumont becoming the SP we all hope he will become isn’t a sure thing but it doesn’t seem worth shirking that risk by lowering his potential value in making him a reliever.

"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson

by Willie Mays Haze on Apr 5, 2009 6:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCK EVERYLONE

WE’VE DRADFTED RELIEF PITCHERS IN THE FIRST FUCKING ROUND 3 FUCKING YEARS IN A CUNTING ROW.

FIRE ZDURIENCIK AND FUCK BOB FONTAINE

by Graham on Apr 5, 2009 6:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCK THIS GODDAMN TEAM

WHAT THE HELL COULD POSSIBLY BE THE JUSTIFICATION FOR DOING THIS

by OlSalty on Apr 5, 2009 6:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's get Strasburg and put him in the 'pen, too.

He could probably throw 110 gajillion miles per hour from the bullpen. Let’s do it!

Throw the snacks in the bag and I'm ghost like Swayze!
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997

by JLProck on Apr 5, 2009 6:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NOW I'M GLAD WE WON'T BE GETTING HIM

AT LEAST WE WON’T BE ALLOWEd TO FUCK UP THE BEST PROSPECT TO COME ALONG IN YEARS.

by OlSalty on Apr 5, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

Capitals really don’t express just how loudly I shouted this

by Graham on Apr 5, 2009 6:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I really want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, but his comments in that article are mind-boggling.

I was really geared up to have a GM that got it, that understood what it meant to actually build a team, that understood that you can build a bullpen for cheap and that you can win without a team of superstars. This move is completely anti-that-train-of-thought.

Throw the snacks in the bag and I'm ghost like Swayze!
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997

by JLProck on Apr 5, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the record, I'm not giving up on the guy.

But this move sucks.

Throw the snacks in the bag and I'm ghost like Swayze!
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997

by JLProck on Apr 5, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morrow I get, but now GMZ has fucked up with Clement and Aumont.

I thought he was supposed to be good at this whole player development thing.

by BrianL on Apr 5, 2009 7:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah fuck that

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by I'm NOT Corco on Apr 5, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And even if there is some magical way we manage to snag Strasburg this year

This move still doesn’t make sense. Even with Strasburg it’d seem you’d want to keep Aumont as a starter to have to the potential Felix, Stras, Aumont triumvirate as opposed the the trident of bullpen arms in Morrow, Fields, Aumont.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that I feel like the lust victim in Seven.

"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson

by Willie Mays Haze on Apr 5, 2009 7:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel like Brad Pitt at the end of Seven.

And we all know what happens to Kevin Spacey at the end.

by PissedMick on Apr 5, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FIRE JACK Z!

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on Apr 5, 2009 7:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

BRANDON MORROW DOESN'T HAVE DIABETES

ZDURIENCIK JUST WANTS TO MASTURBATE OVER THE THOUGHT OF WAKA CALLING THE BULLPEN FOR HIM

by Graham on Apr 5, 2009 7:05 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

He better have diabetes.

Because this is fucking retarded.

by Teej on Apr 5, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I just don't get it.

We’re converting a first round pick to a reliever in hopes of what? He becomes the next Jeff Nelson?

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED!?

by BrianL on Apr 5, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Should have posted the Bad News first.

The the Good News could of calmed us all down.

by MFAN on Apr 5, 2009 7:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So ummm...

……..

We’ve got no awesome starting pitchers of the future.

Any ideas on how you’re going to rectify this, Zduriencik?

by ThundaPC on Apr 5, 2009 7:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is mind boggling

IF ANYTHING I THOUGHT PLAYER DEVELOPMENT WAS THE THING HE WAS GOOD AT

by BrianL on Apr 5, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just emailed Tango and asked him to talk some sense into GMZ

Now I am done. I will simply tell myself that reading this post was a bad dream.

by Decatur on Apr 5, 2009 7:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm NOT Corco

Hey man, M’s fan here in cheyenne. Your the 1st ive seen in Wyoming!

by surfdiego on Apr 5, 2009 7:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NOW IS NOT THE TIME

UNLESS YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE AUMONT NOT A CLOSER

Wyoming is awesome though

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by I'm NOT Corco on Apr 5, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GOD I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS SEASON TO BE OVER!

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on Apr 5, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OUR ROTATION NEXT SEASON

FELIX
SILVA
SHIT
FUCK
COCK

by BrianL on Apr 5, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

FUCK YOU GRIFFEY

I BLAME UR OLD DH’ING ASS.

by MFAN on Apr 5, 2009 7:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WOWWWWWWWWWW

Maybe, just maybe the idea is the get him the the MLB quicker

With the idea that the sooner he faces MLB hitting, the quicker he’ll improve

Maybe they think that going from an MLB pen to MLB rotation would be an easier adjustment than going from a AA/AAA rotation to an MLB rotation

I’m trying to have hope here…

by mariners124m on Apr 5, 2009 7:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Scariest Part
“We felt that this was a guy, who, if used in a relief role, could be on a real fast-track to the major leagues,‘’ he said. "And we’re talking a real fast track.’’

That sounds a helluva lot like Bavasi…

by tait644 on Apr 5, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who knows

Maybe they called Hargrove for his opinion…

by tait644 on Apr 5, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HOLY FUCK SHOOT ME

I’M WATCHING WRESTLEMANIA 25 YEARS LATER

by Tony S on Apr 5, 2009 7:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It could be worse, guys
The Mariners have abandoned, for now, any plans to have Felix Hernandez continue in a starting role.

“We felt that this was a guy, who, if used in a relief role, could be on a real fast-track to a Hall of Fame career,‘’ he said. "And we’re talking a real fast track.’’

In the end, Zduriencik said, it came down to whether the team was willing to wait several more years for Felix to develop as a potential Cy Young contender — never a guarantee — or go the more likely route of becoming an all star closer in a much shorter timeframe.

Dead Cat's Bounce.

by Gomez on Apr 5, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Heh.

Hahahahaha

by Kermit. on Apr 5, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fuck...

I thought Jeff was trolling us, I didn’t believe it until I clicked the link.

by ColeFitz88 on Apr 5, 2009 7:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You've got it backwards.

Your heart would probably get drafted as a starter, then downgraded to a closer 1-3 years post draft day.

Your vomit, on the other hand, might get awarded a 4 year $48mil FA contract to be a starter. So probably you should try the FA route, rather than entering the draft. More money, less loss of valuable materials.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Apr 6, 2009 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fuck me in the earhole

Z needs to be tea-bagged…soon.

by bilbo on Apr 5, 2009 7:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Gorilla masked with super glue

it’ll last longer.

"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson

by Willie Mays Haze on Apr 5, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What did you expect?

This is what happens when you hire a Scout with no front office experience. He can find talent but he doesn’t know how to handle it. I hope we stock up on SP from the Bedard/Beltre/Washburn/Yuni trades

Too close for missles, switching to guns.

by Paseman on Apr 5, 2009 7:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

This one I don’t get.

by taro on Apr 5, 2009 8:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It is such a short-sighted move it makes me sick.. this organization hasn't changed a bit..

What’s next, just drafting the best college pitcher available with the shortest path to the majors even if better long term talent is on the board?

by Rudy4three on Apr 5, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You fools! You don't understand Jack's genius!

He’s going to trade each closer for alot talent build an entire team that way!

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on Apr 5, 2009 8:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Omar Minaya isn't THAT stupid

There are only six or seven BP spots, you know…

by tait644 on Apr 5, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what I honestly think he's thinking

He wants to trade JJ Putz every year for the next 3 years

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by I'm NOT Corco on Apr 5, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody else really hoping for this to be a

Geoff Baker misunderstanding…I don’t think it is but man..

by marinerdan on Apr 5, 2009 8:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If it was, he needs to be burned alive.

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on Apr 5, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want Baker to be wrong

because I like Baker, I think he’s a brilliant beat writer, I’m just looking for anything to make this decision not true.

by marinerdan on Apr 5, 2009 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Baker retracts this, I will be so happy I won't care

Hear that, Geoff? Everything’s cool? Just tell us it was a misunderstanding and we’ll all chill out. No hard feelings. Really. Honest.

by Decatur on Apr 5, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

On a side note, a word of warning. If you are going to be doing a GIS for the above image, DO NOT misspell it as “Diabettus”. If you do, you will get the above image, and many other images you do not want.

What the fuck Google? Seriously. What the fuck?

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on Apr 5, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beat me to it.

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Apr 5, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy guacamole

ew

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by I'm NOT Corco on Apr 5, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh
He was throwing 97 mph at the WBC and we think he has a chance of duplicating that at the big league level.
“If he’s going to start, then he’ll have to learn a whole bunch of other pitches,‘’ Zduriencik said. "He’ll have to perfect a bunch of different pitches and that could take some time.
There’s no such thing, in the big leagues, as too much depth at any position,‘’ Zduriencik said. "You have to remember, the reason they call these guys prospects is because they’re just that. They’re prospects.

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on Apr 5, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy shit, did this guy not see the sinking fastball and disgusting slider this kid has?

His sinker is so filthy he could probably survive as a starter without throwing anything else…

But the crime is that he has a crazy slider to go with the sinker..

Z is acting like Aumont can’t throw anything but a 97mph fastball

by Rudy4three on Apr 5, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh
“There’s no such thing, in the big leagues, as too much depth at any position,‘’ Zduriencik said. "You have to remember, the reason they call these guys prospects is because they’re just that. They’re prospects. They’re not proven big league players. To annoint any prospect as your team’s future closer is, in my estimation, an awful big leap to be taking.

There is such a thing as two much depth at a position if it comes at the expense of too little depth at another, jackass.

by OlSalty on Apr 5, 2009 8:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

New Theory: Jack Zdurencik reads LL and wants to impress us.

But the only thread he read was the Chad Cordero signing thread. So he’s decided to give us more relievers!

by Matthew on Apr 5, 2009 8:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I THINK GMZ HAS DIABETES

AND WATCHES CARTOON PORN.

me so cool

by Humongo on Apr 5, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was getting a little concerned about GMZ's righty reliever stockpiling over the offseason

It seemed to be happening ad nauseum

I didn’t realize this is what gets him on

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by I'm NOT Corco on Apr 5, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hahahahahaha
“There’s no such thing, in the big leagues, as too much depth at any position,’’ Zduriencik said

BAHAHAHA

“You have to remember, the reason they call these guys prospects is because they’re just that. They’re prospects. They’re not proven big league players.

This from the guy who’s been excellent at drafting…

I…

just…

what?

What?

by Matthew on Apr 5, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I just don't see how or why Chuck and Howard would make that call.

It’s not a pig PR move (no one outside of knowledgeable fans will care that much) and it’s nothing thats really gonna hurt/help ticket sales.

by MFAN on Apr 5, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But seriously maybe he's listening to the wishes of his players entirely too much

Or going with some group consensus of retarded holdovers from the last organization instead of making his own decisions.

Because it doesn’t make sense for anyone to make this move, whether it be Z or Armstrong or Lincoln, anyone.

by OlSalty on Apr 5, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if Z and his scouts just don't see it happening.

This move pisses me off and I want to break things, but a part of me wants to say “Hey, he’s a professional scout with a hell of a track record. Maybe he doesn’t see a starting pitcher in Aumont.”

And I doubt he made this decision without his scouts’ input. This just doesn’t add up. We’re missing something.

Because fuck this makes no sense.

by Teej on Apr 5, 2009 8:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

On a team with no starting pitching depth close to the majors, gutting anyone with a chance at helping there makes no sense.

You can always turn him into a reliever later if the starting thing really isn’t working out.

by abender20 on Apr 5, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't the Jays have some fetish for white players?

We could add that and move the M’s to the deep south.

by MFAN on Apr 5, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Won't work.

Philipe Aumont is too french of a name.

by Fin on Apr 5, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny that the combined half should happen to be

the most fungible parts of roster construction – relief pitchers and outfielders.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Apr 6, 2009 2:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why oh why can't he be treated like Kerry Wood?

Of course he’d could be a lights out reliever. God how unbelievable would Tim Lincecum be as a reliever? Verlander could throw 100 for 15 pitches at a time. The philosophy SHOULD be “Hey kid, you’re a starter until you ain’t.”

by abender20 on Apr 5, 2009 8:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, that sounds plausible.

His delivery wouldn’t hold up to a single season, let alone the six years we care about.

There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

by misterjonez on Apr 6, 2009 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hold the phone.

Isn’t is possible that Z just wants Aumont to face big league pitching sooner, in relief, rather than later? Maybe he isn’t off his nut. Maybe he just wants to know what he has now rather than in 2010 or 11? (He’s got to get rid of Washburn and possibly Bedard in the next several months). He’s got to know what he has to replace that with. Aumont is a big guy with no stamina or diabetes issues. He could pitch in relief or start. He should start, but let’s see if he can, let’s see what he needs to work on over the winter. HE WILL BE A STARTING PITCHER. Z is not designating him to the bullpen, just letting him get some experience there. Didn’t hyphen start (sic) there? This is not the end of the world (Bavasi showed us what that looks like). Let’s give him a chance. Most of the other decisions he’s made have been quite good. We’re 0-0 tomorrow. Let’s give him a little more time.

"Jr. I need you to be a DH, not a LF, where you'd end up on the DL". W.

by Not Loving Batista on Apr 5, 2009 9:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But, he can't be this STUPID.

Surely, he knows he doesn’t need three closers in the pen. He’s got to think that Aumont is in his starting rotation once he’s seen what he needs to be there.

"Jr. I need you to be a DH, not a LF, where you'd end up on the DL". W.

by Not Loving Batista on Apr 5, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being good enough to get three or six guys out is completely different from starting.

You can’t look at how good a reliever is in MLB, then just plug those stats in as a starter. You need more pitches. You have to have something to get lefties out. You lose a few MPH on your fastball, so you have to have other pitches to complement it. You have to have durability - which you’re not going to have if you’ve been pitching in one or two-inning increments for three years. You have to know how to pace yourself. Etc. Etc. These are all things that don’t develop if you’re a full-time reliever.

It’s not like once he gets called up to the MLB bullpen, he’s passed the finish line and is now ready to be at the top of the rotation.

by Teej on Apr 5, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The SBN hyphen bug finally gets me.

I thought I had it figured out and it would never harm me. Oh how today blows.

by Teej on Apr 5, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah!

So I should probably NOT skip the strikeout lines when I’m reading here?

by d0nkey on Apr 6, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll give you the conversion, but he doesn't have time.

Washburn (hopefully) and Bedard are gone. He desparately needs a starter sooner rather than later. He needs to know what he’s got. Aumont is young and strong. He can adjust. He’s not Morrow or as fragile as Bedard.

"Jr. I need you to be a DH, not a LF, where you'd end up on the DL". W.

by Not Loving Batista on Apr 5, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do we know he's not fragile?

He’s thrown like 8 innings in his whole life. Dude didn’t even have a high school team to play on. We know nothing about him, other than he has the potential to be an incredible starter, but it’s going to take some time. He should be given that time to see how he develops. If we tell him, “hey, throw only the sinking fastball from now on, and you’ll pitch one inning every day,” how is he ever going to learn the things he needs to learn to be a starter in the majors?

by Teej on Apr 5, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A successful major league starting pitcher needs an entirely different repretoire then a successful major league reliever

A reliever can get by just fine with one or two pitches. A starter needs 3+ to be successful.

It’s awfully hard to develop your secondary pitches at the major league level.

It worked with RRS because he already had 3 pitches. Morrow kind of did. Aumont does not.

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by I'm NOT Corco on Apr 5, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't need three pitches if you have the type of power sinker that he does..

If he got to the point where he could command that thing, he could throw is 80 percent of the time and probably be very effective.

He also has a pretty filthy slider. If he spent the time in the minors getting his arm stretched out and working on command of only those two pitches, he’d be pretty damn good in the rotation.

by Rudy4three on Apr 5, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even the man who does this

also has a change, a slider, and a curveball. The man with the best sinker in the bigs throws something like 70-75% of the time. (I’m having trouble finding pitchFX data to confirm).

by abender20 on Apr 5, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Webb is a beast. My whole point is that he already has two above average pitches

that obviously need to be perfected and commanded through repetition and development.

They toss an average changeup in there and he’s a top of the rotation guy. Is he Webb? No, but Webb is an elite guy.

by Rudy4three on Apr 5, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be awesome if you were Z or some FO guy defending the decision.

I know its very hard to prove, since this is the internet, but I am just saying.

by Fin on Apr 5, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not Z or from the FO, but Z hasn't really f'd up yet, except for maybe Tui

and that’s only a two week mistake. Give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. Aumont can get another pitch. Aumont can see what he needs to develop in the bigs. Morrow was never going to be a starting pitcher. He doesn’t and never will never be able to sustain for 6 innings. Aumont is young and strong and I fully believe he can develop into a solid #2 starter. If he is forced to do that by 2010 that is a big positive for the M’s. I wish he didn’t have to be rushed, but that is sometimes the nature of things.

"Jr. I need you to be a DH, not a LF, where you'd end up on the DL". W.

by Not Loving Batista on Apr 5, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morrow almost threw a no hitter in his first ML start. I fail to see how he "can't sustain himself for six innings"

His move was BS too. Same deal as Aumont. Jack didn’t want to wait and gamble with Morrow when the bullpen was a disaster.

It’s all coming together now.

by Rudy4three on Apr 5, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The bullpen is a disaster because nobody in the bullpen can throw strikes..

Oh wait, more and more of them can throw strikes as more and more get added to the bullpen. Throwing strikes is important both in the starting rotation and in the bullpen. Z has to know how his prospects can both throw strikes and avoid bats. This is a rebuilding year.

"Jr. I need you to be a DH, not a LF, where you'd end up on the DL". W.

by Not Loving Batista on Apr 5, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. You don't need 3 closers in the bullpen.

One is enough. I think you’ve got that in Morrow. Aumont is going to be a STARTING PITCHER. And you can trade that other guy.

"Jr. I need you to be a DH, not a LF, where you'd end up on the DL". W.

by Not Loving Batista on Apr 5, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I give up. I'm trying so hard to believe that Z is really going to change things.

There has to be a good reason for him to do this. I cannot live with another x# of years of mismanagement. Tomorrow morning we’re tied for first in AL West., and that hasn’t been the case for a while.

"Jr. I need you to be a DH, not a LF, where you'd end up on the DL". W.

by Not Loving Batista on Apr 5, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In a rebuilding year...

there’s no reason to have a shutdown closer. It’s worth losing a couple more games if it means you have Morrow in the rotation for the next four years.

by PissedMick on Apr 6, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mariner's fandom.

Bread and water, icy showers, guards whomping your ass round the clock, and the only way out is suicide.

Hard work never killed nobody, but I won't take my chances.

by JAH on Apr 5, 2009 9:30 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeesh.

Damn you Seattle guys have it rough. You have my condolences.

It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.

by omnipotent grab on Apr 5, 2009 9:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Mine also

But man, this thread was entertaining. And I want to thank you for that.

White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.

by vince_ on Apr 6, 2009 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am still in shock about this

Hours later and i still cant believe the M’s have this quickly stepped back into the retardation that oozed out from the bavasi yeares.

I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

by wadswerth on Apr 5, 2009 11:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wow, worst overreactions ever

HE WILL BE A STARTER, JESUS H TAP DANCING SON OF HOLY BURRITO CHRIST! This is 100% to manage his workload and not rush him into becoming hurt like most of the other past SP draft pics

Who dat says they gonna beat dem Saints?

by Pebohead on Apr 6, 2009 12:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"Nothing is carved in stone,'' Zduriencik said. "This is an experiment we're doing to see if we can get him to the big leagues quicker.''

And besides, you know they are going to give up on this. They are way to smart not to. Or, all you you guys can continue down the “OH NOES Z IS BAVASI TIMES 2 ZOMG I WANT TO KILL MYSELF” path

Who dat says they gonna beat dem Saints?

by Pebohead on Apr 6, 2009 2:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why all y'all are trippin;.

Aumont’s Inverted Q is a huge risk factor.

by acblue on Apr 6, 2009 3:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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