Series Preview: Seattle Mariners @ Chicago White Sox
Seattle: 12-7
White Sox: 9-9
SUMMARY
| MARINERS | WHITE SOX |
EDGE | |
| HITTING (wOBA) |
-23.3 (29th) | -4.1 (20th) | CHW! |
| FIELDING (UZR) |
7.4 (4th) | -4.9 (21st) | SEA!! |
| ROTATION (pRAA) |
18.1 (2nd) | 6.3 (8th) | SEA |
| BULLPEN (pRAA) |
4.7 (6th) | 2.3 (13th) | SEA |
| OVERALL(RAA) |
6.9 | -0.4 | Seattle |
The lineup sees a little bounce back during the Anaheim series, gaining a run to average. However, the pitching loses about three runs, mostly from the bullpen as Roy Corcoran looks not long for the big team. If he has an option left then I have no problem with him heading down Tacoma way as soon as possible. However, if doing so would expose him to waivers, I would be a little more hesitant for the time being. His 2008 was too good for me to want to jettison him this early into 2009.
The team lost a run and three spots in UZR. Thanks, Yuni. You are now the worst qualified fielder in baseball and a third of a win below replacement level as a player. Astounding.
GAMES
Game 1: Chris Jakubauskus vs John Danks*
Game 2: Felix Hernandez vs Bartolo Colon
Game 1: Erik Bedard* vs. Gavin Floyd
It kind of sucks to be facing a tough lefty like John Danks, but hey, remember we could have been facing him a lot more often. Thanks, Jon Daniels! Danks has notched up another level on the missed bats so far this season but is also missing the strike zone more often as well. If this game actually gets played (weather forecast is not promising), it would be a nice opportunity for some of the team's right-handed hitters to finally get going.
Bartolo Colon has been quite not bad for the White Sox early into the season but he has just eight swinging strikes in 249 pitches. He also doesn't throw strikes all that often. His low tRA is based entirely off his batted ball profile which right now boasts a good ground ball rate and an incredibly not-going-to-sniff-lasting 7.3% line drive rate.
Gavin Floyd is consistently mediocre and for that he is to be, not congratulated exactly I guess, but something. He's certainly still one of the best baseball pitchers on the planet when you look at it from a percentile perspective. So, yeah, there's that, Gavin. He misses some bats and he misses the zone. The big knock on him has usually been home runs. He's going to love facing us.
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It's rare to see a Rock Bottom franchise with exemplary brews, but the one in Chicago really delivers. Chicago is a big time stout city as well, but going in a slightly different direction, I feel this barleywine really tells the story of how good this Rock Bottom is. Making a good barleywine takes more precision and aging than stouts and for a place to have a 90th percentile barleywine is a good indicator of quality brewing.
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Fucking Yuni.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Apr 27, 2009 8:55 AM PDT reply actions
Your signature goes perfectly with that comment.
Free Jeffie!
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
According to MLB.com...
Yuni has a lower on base percentage than batting average too. .262 OB .266 BA. It must be a typo, but still…
I had a good time watching the infield dirt near Yuni during yesterday's game.
Although it was hard to concentrate on the dirt with Jeff repeatedly screaming (warranted) obscenities at Griffey, I was enjoying seeing exactly where Yuni mussed up the neatly raked infield. His foot traffic patterns were routinely directly against the outfield grass, and he got within about 6-7 feet exactly once.
what about Griffey fat jokes?
it’s like two dead memes in one!
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'DFA! DFA! DFA!'
Is my current favourite Griffey chant. The crowd doesn’t notice though, assumedly because they have no idea what that means
by Graham MacAree on Apr 27, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
They probably think you're trying to find a vendor to sell you Dippin' Dots or something
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Would it be a bad idea to call up Shelton right now?
by .Taylor on Apr 27, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
DEEP FLY AWAY!
OMG you want him to hit a homerun too?!
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Apr 27, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
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I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Apr 27, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
And it needed a tan.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Apr 27, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
It scored from first on a routine double
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Apr 27, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
I think the accusation of Griffey/Silva fat jokes is becoming a dead meme.
by Fin on Apr 27, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's not a meme if your responding to one
(ironically or no)
by JI on Apr 27, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
That is the first and probably last Griffey fat joke I have ever made
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My hatred is renewed
this is v2.0 of the original
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 27, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Likewise. I just wish a mascot had ventured near enough to our section to test whether or not the rumors are true.
Not that I could blame you for assaulting a Zooperstar.
The red Petco dog stayed away from our section on Saturday
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 27, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder what he'd do
When confronted with Ryan Owland-Smith
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
by tootthekazoo on Apr 27, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
New Robert strikes again!
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/6/28/560636/29-50
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2007/8/7/62011/87754
by seattlebruin on Apr 27, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Brushes with greatness volume 1
a few of us went to a bar down the street to watch JJ Putz slam the door on the Red Sox (apologies to Robert, who wasn’t quite old enough to join)
To be fair to Yuni
if you adjust for playing time there are a few players who are worse fielders. But they are all dramatically better hitters so… yeah. When’s that Cedeno kid going to start cracking the starting lineup? I hear he can lay down a pretty good bunt.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Apr 27, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions
Hamstring still sore.
He was available in emergency situations only yesterday.
by appleshampoo on Apr 27, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Broncos
Orton and two first-rounders or we walk.
by waldo rojas on Apr 27, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Barleywines don't get enough attention, I think.
Good choice, Matthew.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
How the fuck is it even possible to be a third of a win below replacement right now?
It’s April 27th!!!
Too much time spent attempting to become an elephant.

by abender20 on Apr 27, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
WHAT THE FUCK?
Since when is blatant racism ok here?
by Robert on Apr 27, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's the African Anteater Ritual!
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Apr 27, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
My wife was in that movie, you know
it was filmed at her high school and she and her friends were all extras. And can all be seen on several occasions.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
One of the most underrated 80s movies, IMHO...
Loved that flick!
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Apr 27, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Xanadu?
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Apr 27, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
DEAR GOODNESS NOOOO!!!!!
Now I’ve got that friggin’ song stuck in my head!!!
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Apr 27, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Now we are heeeeerrrrree
This signature space for rent.
by PositivePaul on Apr 27, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Dandy mocking/loving stage adaptation last year ...
“Don’t Walk Away” here, complete with a Greek chorus, rollerskates and denim shortshorts.
My wife is going to forever regret not being able to get to see that
for some reason Xanadu is one of her favorite movies.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
You're welcome.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Apr 27, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of lessons learned from attending yesterday's game,
sb and I decided that Yuni has essentially been ordered to take the first two pitches. Either that, or he’s responded to a request for more patience by acting like a petulant little child and taking two pitches as an act of defiance before proceeding to swing like mad at everything else.
In both the 2nd and 7th innings, Yuni glowered at two passing pitches before promptly popping out to Brandon Wood in foul territory on the third pitch. PitchFX says all 4 of the pitches he took were either in the strike zone or just (and I do mean just) outside. Of course, he did ground into a fielders choice in the 4th on the first pitch.
Does anyone else here totally avoid anything baseball related the day after a loss?
I’ve been pretty pissed off all day after what happened yesterday. I haven’t felt like this since the Morrow game.
When the regression fully hits I’m going to have to be put on suicide watch!
Bah if only I could be logical and bask in being 3.5 games up on 2nd place!!
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Apr 27, 2009 12:53 PM PDT reply actions
Nope.
I don’t care about losses in April. I probably should, but it’s too long of a season to get that keyed up this early.
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Wow
Normally I agree wholeheartedly with your beer selections, but to knock Rock Bottom? Really? I don’t do the Seattle one hardly ever due to a bad experience, but the Bellevue Rock Bottom is consistently phenomenal, even going so far as to win the gold medal for best American-style strong pale at last year’s Great American Beer Festival. I know how you like your darker beers, and their brewmaster tends to lean towards IPAs, wheats and reds, but he does all 3 very well.
Admittedly, I’m a bit of a fanboy and the $2 mugs (22 oz) on Tuesdays and Sundays could have me thinking biased. But it’s one of my favorite places to drink beer.
RIP Nick Adenhart. You will be missed by baseball fans across all organizations.
Their beer sucks.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Apr 27, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I lived across the street from the downtown Seattle one.
It’s worth going to if you go there often enough to get a lot of free beer.
Fear the NPE
The downtown Seattle one sucks
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Apr 30, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, Portland's Rock Bottom sucks.
I haven’t been to the Seattle or Bellevue one.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Apr 27, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It's awesome if you like frat boys in circa-1999 trucker hats and douchey levels of Axe though so there's that
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Portland had one or two darker beers that stood out to me
I remember being impressed with a vanilla porter or stout, I think it was the beer of the month though. Other than that I was pretty bored with the overall lineup, and yeah, the atmosphere there sucked.
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Apr 30, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Their beer is relentlessly mediocre
there’s nothing really wrong with it, but there’s nothing really exceptional about it, at least to me.
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The only thing that's not mediocre is their prices.
$5 for a pint of middling beer.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Apr 27, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Ayup.
I have never understood why people in Portland would go to either Rock Bottom or McMenamins when there’s Rogue, Deschutes, Lompoc, and all the rest – not to mention all the bars that have huge and varied beer selections. Why settle for mediocre when you can get stellar?
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Full Sail!
I know it’s not that close but…
by seattlebruin on Apr 27, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Full Sail's pretty good but I'll take Rogue over it any day
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Deeeeeeeaaaaad Guy...yum.
If I had my choice of a beer to drink exclusively until the end of time, it’d be Dead Guy.
I will smash your face into a jelly.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Apr 27, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
My wife's favorite beer
I’m not much for stouts usually – Hazelnut Brown’s what I normally drink at Rogue.
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The thing for me is that I don't have a whole lot of money right now, and I like good beer
so when I can get well above average beer for Bud Light w/ Lime prices, it makes me awfully attracted to that brewer.
I do love Rogue though. Mocha Porter & Hazelnut Brown =)
by seattlebruin on Apr 27, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, Full Sail's a good choice then
Rogue’s creeping up to the $10/six-pack price here, and if the new beer tax passes it’ll rocket past that pretty quick. Ugh.
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I'm willing to pay for good beer, because it's not as if I'm broke
but on a random day, if I have the choice between very good at a good price and outstanding at a get-what-you-pay-for price, I’ll take very good most of the time.
by seattlebruin on Apr 27, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Amazing beer, great choice
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Apr 30, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Check out the Deschutes Cinder Cone then, if you get it down there.
They have it up here for $6.50 a 6-pack, pretty decent for a red beer. Anytime I find a good micro for less than $2 a bottle, I consider that a pretty good deal.
Rogue's a little out of town
But totally worth the drive
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Apr 30, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
In the words of Ayn Rand,
“Mediocrity” doesn’t mean average intelligence, it means an average intelligence that resents and envies its betters.
Each one's different, I guess
The Bellevue one has $2 mugs until 9 on Tuesdays and after 6 on Sundays, as well as $3 mugs during happy hour 7 days a week (4-6 and 10-close weekdays, 4-6 and 11-close weekends IIRC). There’s no reason to ever pay $5 for a beer there.
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Apr 30, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Christ.
It’s rare to see a Rock Bottom franchise with exemplary brews
ex·em·pla·ry
Function:
adjective
Date:
circa 1507
1 a: serving as a pattern b: deserving imitation : commendable ; also : deserving imitation because of excellence
There are shades of gray in meaning and I actually choose my words for a reason.
Also, I’ve touted up beers of all styles in these previews, notably including many IPAs.
True, I forgot about the IPAs
But when I pulled together the list from last season it felt like it trended a bit towards the porters/stouts of the world.
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Apr 30, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I fully expect that ratio to shift as the Mariners continue to play well though
I could be wrong, but the M’s are actually giving us stuff to talk about this year so maybe as we get into the summer baseball will be a first conversational choice for more people?
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It's April.
Plenty of time to worry about that in July. Just enjoy what you’re watching right now.
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I don't know
At work we are already talking about how the Mariners should trade for offense if they are still competing by July.
At what position?
I’m all for more offense, but I do not want to hamstring what is turning into a pretty good run prevention squad.
In fact, I think Clement at C would be a fine offensive upgrade without killing our D.
Stupid 10 pin - Thingray
I'd really like to see a lineup ~like this
Ichiro
Chavez
Griffey
Beltre
Branyan
Lopez
Clement
Gutierrez
Cedeno
by Graham MacAree on Apr 27, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
That would probably be the most optimized lineup right now.
Of course, it would take a Johjima 60 day DL stint, an epiphany by the front office that Yuni sucks, and Rob Johnson going away. Also, it would require Griffey to progress to average DH numbers.
It's not optimal
Optimal is something like:
Ichiro
Beltre
Lopez
Branyan
Griffey
Gutierrez
Clement
Cedeno
Chavez
by Graham MacAree on Apr 27, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I wasn't taking the order into consideration
But yes, that would probably be a much better long term batting lineup. I might switch Clement and Gutz if Clement ever started hitting.
That'd force three lefties in a row
I also prefer OBP at #7 compared to #6
by Graham MacAree on Apr 27, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably at DH or SS
But that is my argument, that if anything, is that the pitching and defense would carry the team.
I think we could upgrade DH pretty easily.
I just do not see them doing that for obvious reasons.
Stupid 10 pin - Thingray
Well the series preview threads have traditionally been somewhat OT oriented anyway
I hope that doesn’t change as the season goes on – it’s not like last year when the OTs became a necessity – nowadays we do a good job limiting off-topicness to designated places
by seattlebruin on Apr 27, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Goodbye Mariners.
The good thing is I’m going back to work. Unemployment has its upside but it’s getting old.
The bad thing is it’s swing shift (3:30-12, M-F). That’s a shit ton of baseball I’m going to miss. Alas, Tivo-ing sports just doesn’t work for me.
"...But with the at-bats that Willie (Bloomquist) had tonight, I don't know that I'm immediately going to take him out of the lineup." -Trey Hillman
New stone blog
Comparison of Ms starts over the past 5 years
God I forgot how many games we won in ’07. But I definitely remember that late season sweep by the Angels at home…absolutely crushing that was.
and 2001?
15-4 — so the M’s are 3 games behind that pace.
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by PositivePaul on Apr 27, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That was completely heart breaking.
I am no longer in Spokane, but I think I'll keep the name anyway.
tRA question
You say of Colon: “His low tRA is based entirely off his batted ball profile which right now boasts a good ground ball rate and an incredibly not-going-to-sniff-lasting 7.3% line drive rate.”
You also say of Corcoran: “His 2008 was too good for me to want to jettison him this early into 2009.”
So a couple of things here…
1) Corcoran’s great 2008 was based in part on a great GB rate, but it was amazing due to a freakishly low LD rate. That is, his 2008 was in many ways similar to Colon’s fast start in 2009. Would you agree, or do you think Corcoran’s 2008 would have been very good even with league average or regressed LD rates? I see Corco’s tRA* is higher than I would’ve expected, but I’ll get to that in a minute.
2) tRA just uses the run values of each batted ball type, so yeah, Corcoran/Colon look great. tRA* regresses each component towards league average, which makes a lot of sense. tRA doesn’t take a pitcher’s career stats into account, however, so I’m guessing each component (BB%, K%, LD%, GB%, etc.) get a blanket regression? I say ‘blanket’ when it’s really more complicated, since y’all do park-specific averages and all that stuff. Is this right? I keep thinking that what you really need is something that regresses K rate much less than LD rate, or GB rate less than HR rate or something. But hey, maybe it already does that.
Corcoran’s tRA – after regressing his LD% towards average – was still under 4 last year. Very nice. But if he was ‘lucky’ on LDs, that pushed his GB up as well. When you regress an LD rate, what do you assume those batted balls become? Use that season’s GB/FB? Career numbers? 50/50?
tRA*
First, they don’t always get regressed toward league average. Some times, because of the order, they get regressed away from league average because after regressing the higher order variables, it can turn out that there’s less or more outcomes left over.
Each component is regressed in turn based on how much the component exhibits year to year correlation. Strikeouts looking get regressed much more toward league average than strikeouts swinging for instance. And that’s done after all the park adjustments.
To see where the regressed values move, just click on the tRA* value on the player pages, you’ll get a little widget that shows you all the values.
OK, great.
Still, if each component is regressed based on how much correlation there is, why was Corcoran’s regressed LD% so close to the original figure? Does it stabilize that quickly? Is it an artifact based on something else….his GB rates? I’d guess looking at his career numbers – or league ave. – that the change would be a hell of a lot greater, esp. given the fact that he didn’t pitch as many innings as Wash or Batista. But Wash and Batista’s tRA* both showed more movement to the mean.
The obvious answer is simply that their performance was even further from the mean than Corco’s LD%, but I’m still a bit confused. The amount of regression in Corcoran’s LD rate seems small given the variability in the component – it’s less than 8% or so, which is in the neighborhood of the adjustments starters with low rates (Webb/Saunders) saw (~5%). By itself that may not be that surprising, but it looked like the adjustment to his swinging K rate was greater. How can that be?
An easy example
Take a look at Bartolo Colon’s 2009 tRA*. His LD rate is absurdly low, and regression more than doubles it. Exactly what you’d expect. But then look at his kS%. That gets more than doubled too.
I realize there are very few expected outs, so you’d regress everything towards the mean, but I’d assume K/BB are the ‘higher order variables’ and thus it’s interesting that they’re moving roughly the same (again, I’m just eyeballing it, so it could be that regressions in other batted ball types or BBs or something produce this…).
2009 has an absurdly small sample.
Everything gets regressed very heavily. The amount of regression goes down as the sample size on the season goes up. That’s why Corcoran’s rate isn’t regressed as much as you expect.
Sure, but the point is that it seems to be regressing LD rate and swinging K rate the same.
The effect is more pronounced in the small sample, but it’s the same issue with Corcoran’s 2008.
The regression is actually LD/BIA
And it is subordinate to the GB/inPlay regression. Make sense?
by Graham MacAree on Apr 27, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, I suppose.
When does the K regression happen – before the GB/inPlay regression, yes?

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