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OT 4/22/'09 Your Mother For $1000, Alex!

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OT ideas for the day?  I don't know but EVERYTHING HAS TO BE IN THE FORM OF A QUESTION!  And if you don't?  You will single handedly be responsible for jinxing the M's into a ten game losing streak!!!!!

Holy crap I'm enthused by the M's this year!  Optimistic even, it's fun to watch.  The things stand out when I think of last year?   Bedard refusing the money quote, the constant wondering/bitching about whether or not Vidro's option was ever going to vest (I don't even know what this is and the explanation was everywhere, and I love you Mike Sweeney!), and lastly  Ichiro being selfish.  What a difference a record makes, and a defense.  So those of you who are waiting for the doom and gloom stuff it!  Stop taking a piss on my happiness!  Go find the guy who took the jelly out of your donut, and chew on his ear thank you very much! 

How about this little exercise, you're only allowed to talk about the upside for today, and today only!  Everybody sees the downsides, all the ways things can fall apart- not everybody chooses to talk about them.  I've always called the long shot chance Threading The Needle, and the M's just might thread the needle this year. Enough with the 75 word filler!

 

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Which statement best describes you as a baseball fan in relation to advanced baseball statistics?
Not very important, and the next guy that mentions BAPIP gets cracked in the face.
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Advanced statistics enhance my enjoyment of the game (I'm NOT a fantasy league player).
38 votes
Advanced statistics enhance my enjoyment of the game (I AM a fantasy league player).
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They are quite a bit of fun and I enjoy talking about them frequently.
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26 votes
Stop talking about stats, please. Really, you are so retarded you don't even realize how retarded you are. Have a Bud and STFU.
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The upside?

This season turns out like 2002/3, when the M’s stay in the race until September and then tail off at the end. That’s my upside, and I would be deliriously happy if that were to be the case.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 10:40 AM PDT reply actions  

No rain here but I want 80 degrees back

Or I’d even split the difference and settle for 70.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm glad for the rain, I needed it to water in the moss killer I spread on my lawn.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Moss has it's place, just not in my lawn.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

How could you tell?

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sent to me via text message last night, figured I'd let JMG wallow in a Devil fan's misery.
FUCK YOU REFS I HOPE YOU ALL CHOKE TO DEATH ON DICKS
NOT BECAUSE IT’S BAD TO BE GAY IF YOU’RE INTO THAT SORT OF THING IT’S COOL.
I DON’T CARE IF HOW THIS DICK FINDS ITS WAY INTO YOUR MOUTH IS CONSENSUAL OR BY A GIANT REDNECK NAMED BUBBA RAPING YOUR FACE.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Given the rest of the calls from that game and the series it was.

And given your bias, I would expect this answer out of you.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would dispute this case based on past commentary.

But I think I’ve been pretty good at keeping my rage at the NHLs overall inconsistent and shitty officiating the last couple weeks of the season and playoffs off of LL, and I’d rather just leave that text where it is.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Accidental light contact outside of the crease

Brodeur recovered (no fall or anything) but didn’t set up very well from a shot at the point, which beat him at his near post.

by Graham MacAree on Apr 22, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Remember when goalies were just another player outside of the crease?

When did goalies stop being Ron Hextall and all turn into pussies?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Apr 22, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Per Rule 69.1
Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease

by Matthew on Apr 22, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Expanding
Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.

He just happened to be closing backwards while on a drive into the offensive zone. This is my real problem, he knows a goaltender is going to come out to cut the angle, then move back, just as much as the tender knows that the attacker is coming back to set up a screen. He then moves directly towards the crease. Whether his back is turned or not, he wasn’t surprised by it.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clauses are of less importance than the main point.

That goal is 100% on Marty and it is 100% by the rules.

by Matthew on Apr 22, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

They don't?

Well ok then, I guess it’s free reign on goalies now, as long as you skate in backwards.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see the difference between that bump and a good number of others that were called throughout the season.

Player skates backwards, goalie coming out, contact, call.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would argue, as he did, that he didn't have time to recover to get over and find the puck, and dropped when he heard the shot.

I’ve seen goals overturned for less, and in the regular season. You don’t end the game on that, when you have 5v5 OT less than a second away.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know if you were being serious,

but I strongly disagree with the idea that refs should change the way they call a game based on the circumstances of the game.

by ningwers on Apr 22, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I was more saying is there precedent on disallowing the goal, but not having the penalty.

With a bit of “how do you let that goal count when there’s such a borderline penalty in front of you” homerism.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I figured that was probably the case.

I haven’t seen the goal either, so I can’t really say much else about it.

by ningwers on Apr 22, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Matthew

I can see why there’s a question of goaltender interference, Faux, but the contact was pretty minimal and Brodeur was way outside of the crease. I think the screen had more to do with the goal than the contact. This is the kind of goal that would have been barely mentioned if it had happened early the game.

by ningwers on Apr 22, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

There was a (LaRose?? I'm not up on the Canes) goal that was much worse.

But the timing was a big part of it.

He argued in the postgame that he never saw the puck after the bump, and he went down when he heard the shot. I would have to say that is quite plausible.

You’ll have to forgive me a rooting interest and the fact that every single asshole that called that goal good last night also found no problem with the Crosby goal and the Fleury “trip”.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not a problem, man.

If this was the Sens we were talking about, there’s a good chance that I’d be pretty damn pissed too.

I actually despise the Pens and Crosby in particular, so I’m sure I’d be right there with you on those calls.

by ningwers on Apr 22, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

The NHL sucks.

I have been a fan for my whole life, but the officiating and Bettman et al suck. I was hoping that they would not be douches in the playoffs but hey fuck me right?

Also a hearty fuck the Penguins. The Flyers probably aren’t going to knock them out but +1000 recs to the team that sends those crybaby pussies home

Go Nova

by dbroncos31 on Apr 22, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have an anti-Devils bias

It’s overruled by my ‘call everything goalie interference you bastards’ bias in this case.

by Graham MacAree on Apr 22, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would imagine you went apeshit at the Crosby goal around the same time I did, then.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I saw that and was thinking "five different types of illegal"

Then again it is Sidney Crosby… seems like the league will let him do whatever he wants except an A-Rod type photo shoot.

"What is Jumanji?" --Jason Owens

by GoodKeith on Apr 22, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

FIFA Ultimate Team

Is anyone playing/started a team?

by TheTank123 on Apr 22, 2009 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Seriously?

No one on LL has started a team? Does anyone even play FIFA?

by TheTank123 on Apr 22, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

But they aren’t as girly or wussy in video games. Even Berbatov’s hair looks more manly.

by TheTank123 on Apr 22, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

West Ham?

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh

How do you guys watch most of the Premiership games? I have fox soccer channel and obviously watch the champions league stuff on ESPN2/Classic but good premiership games are hard to come by…apparently there are some websites out there that stream games for free but I’ve yet to find a working one.

by TheTank123 on Apr 22, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I mostly use Fox Soccer/ESPN

I’m not the right guy to ask, though, because if it doesn’t involve Arsenal I really don’t care that much.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I stopped watching regularly when I moved back from the UK last summer

Now I just follow along the BBC text updates and watch highlights on footytube. You can always go to the George and Dragon to pick up some and I know there are TV packages that let you watch more.

by Graham MacAree on Apr 22, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

WH huh?

How did that happen? I became a Man U. fan because my youth soccer coach played for their youth team and always had me watching game films of Cantona. I even wore my collar popped.

by TheTank123 on Apr 22, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was giving Graham shit

He’s a Chelsea supporter.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, Chelsea.

It happened because Milton Keynes didn’t have a football team when I was little and I like dark blue.

by Graham MacAree on Apr 22, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Respect the S out of them

Watching Drogba and Lampard play is always a treat. I do hate Ballack though…just seems like a world class talent with a shit attitude.

by TheTank123 on Apr 22, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shame you didn't choose Wimbledon

well, almost a shame… would have been funny to pick the future home town team though

by Indigo_Satellite on Apr 22, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I fucking hate you now.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Apr 22, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any developers out there reading this

I will buy the next version of FIFA if it has this feature. And I don’t even own a game console that can support it.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me neither

That’s the beauty of the Ultimate Team. The only online interaction necessary is buying, selling and trading your players. If you want to play every game offline, that choice is yours.

I love soccer and soccer games but a huge part of sports games for me is “Franchise Mode” type stuff. Most soccer titles’ “franchise mode” are so archaic that it becomes a pain. Ultimate Team takes team creation to the next level. It’s absurdly addicting.

by TheTank123 on Apr 22, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Upside for today!

Sports Bar I go to has a half-priced wing night TONITEEEEEEEE11221!232

That’s exciting. Downside for today? Physical Therapy.

"What is Jumanji?" --Jason Owens

by GoodKeith on Apr 22, 2009 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Physical therapy for what?

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can sprain a jaw muscle that way.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ahhh.

The dreaded “hot sauce elbow”.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Knee injury

Got hurt at work three and a half weeks ago, worked on it for a week, saw a doctor who told me not to do that. He said Physical Therapy 2x/week for four weeks. I go see THAT doctor Monday for a re-assessment and to see if surgery is needed.

Wings upside: Many flavors.

"What is Jumanji?" --Jason Owens

by GoodKeith on Apr 22, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also

I am not sitting home from work doing nothing… I was instructed to keep on working BUT instead of throwing freight I now sample food products. This week: Crunch Cakes.

"What is Jumanji?" --Jason Owens

by GoodKeith on Apr 22, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not like we care if you're sitting home from work doing nothing

I, in fact, am sitting at work doing next to nothing.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey! I'm doing the same thing!!

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Has anyone heard the new Art Brut album?

Is anyone going to see My Bloody Valentine next week?

by marc w on Apr 22, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions  

I've heard bits of the Art Brut

and it’s….Art Brut. I like them, so I’m predisposed to like the new stuff, but if you’re not a fan you probably won’t find anything interesting in it as it’s just the same style of stuff with different lyrics. It’s pretty good, from what little I’ve heard.

My wife wanted to go see MBV but couldn’t get the time off work. I was never a fan.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was listening to Chickenfoot last night.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seem to.

It’s nothing groundbreaking, but it’s some good ol’ fashioned R&R.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it good?

I’m a fan of the It’s A Bit Complicated (or something like that) album and I haven’t heard their first.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Apr 22, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope so?

I haven’t heard it yet, but I’ll probably pick it up.

by marc w on Apr 22, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

The first is the best, I think

I’ve heard three songs off the new album, and if you like IABC you’ll like this.

Side note: The album was recorded in three days in Salem, Oregon in December, and was produced by Frank Black.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, I heard about that.

And I got really excited when I did. Eddie Argos is a pretty likeable/intriguing guy. And good, I’ll probably pick it up then.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Apr 22, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Their business plan is to take everyone's money

and then piss everyone off so bad that by June when half the users quit, the server loads are down enough to the point where things halfway work.

Lowered expectations!

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Apr 22, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was literally moments away from buying mlb.tv at the beginning of the season.

I’m so happy I asked, the blackout warnings are posted front page but when I think blackouts I think of stadium ticket sales type rules. I’m pretty sure they fricking know that, also the condensed games sounded great to me. What a bunch of bunk.

by Kermit. on Apr 22, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

So while I have you sb, any thoughts on where to grab lunch after the game?

I’ve been to Anaheim exactly once, and it was for Disneyland when I was 11.

by abender20 on Apr 22, 2009 11:27 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm partial to In-n-out before/after Angels games.

But that might be because there aren’t any here in WA.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Apr 22, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm of the opinion that In-N-Out >>> Dick's

but I understand that’s heresy around these parts.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Apr 22, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whattaburger=Dicks

I’ve never had In-N-Out.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

After having quite a few different "great" local burger places:

InNOut>Five Guys>Red Mill>Dick’s=Whattaburger>Just about everything else

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, that's a bold statement my friend.

I’m now forced to find a Five Guys, I’m not going to worry about InNOut, I don’t think they exist in the region do they?

by Kermit. on Apr 22, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not in the region either.

Five Guys = NJ
InNOut = SW US

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nooooo

Five Guys is a DC establishment

by Robert Lintott on Apr 22, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is it now?

I suppose that could be the case. I’ve seen them in south NJ for a few years, and they’re just now creeping up into north NJ. I just assumed they started on the boardwalks.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yet, it's something that DC people are proud of

Sort of like Ben’s, but way more franchised. Really, I’d rather have an In-and-Out, but Five Guys is ok for the area

by Robert Lintott on Apr 22, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hence my rating scale.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree with it certainly

That said, the recent boom in gourmet burger joints is pretty awesome. We just had one opened in DC by a past contestant on Top Chef, and it’s just mind-blowingly awesome. You can even get out for under $15 too, which isn’t horrible.

by Robert Lintott on Apr 22, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're just used to it, that's all.

They’re pretty close to each other. But I’d imagine my ratings are skewed by my lack of INO where I live as well.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

In 'n Out's burgers are superior to Dicks. Both places have fairly lousy fries,

but at least In ’n Out makes their fries by slicing the potatoes on site, which is neat. They are better at “fresh”.

by abender20 on Apr 22, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm, that's a point in Five Guys' favor.

The burgers aren’t quite as good, but the fries are spectacular. Judges call: just burgers, or whole meal?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fries are secondary to me. As infrequently as I eat burgers or fast food in general,

the few times a year I crave them, they’d better be good. Bad fries are better than no fries, and In ‘n Out’s fries aren’t bad. I remember Burger King and McDonalds to have better fries, but:
a.) I haven’t eaten at either place in the last 4-5 years
b.) As I said above, the fries made fresh from potatoes on-site is much more desirable than fries from a freezer bag.

by abender20 on Apr 22, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

McDonald's fries were better 20 years ago when they fried them in beef fat.

Mmmm… Tallow…

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Apr 22, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't have had a problem with that

had they not insisted their fries were vegetarian and used asinine logic to try and defend said assertions.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Careful now...

Mayo has it’s place.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

On a burger. Mixed with ketchup.

Mixed with relish. On a sub sandwich. Etc.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's pretty much completely wrong, in my opinion

Light amounts of chipotle mayo are acceptable with the appropriate type of sandwich, but that’s it

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mayo is a really, really disgusting substance,

but it tastes really good on sandwiches. If you want a dipping sauce for fries Sweet Baby Ray’s BBQ sauce and mayo. So good.

by Zwakamatsu on Apr 22, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great fries don't need any sauce in my opinion.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Salt (seasoning salt or standard salt) is all that is necessary

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

as well and for my money, as far as fast food goes, Burger King has the best fries.

by Zwakamatsu on Apr 22, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Out of the major franchises,

I’d say BK’s are my favorite, as long as they’re really, really fresh and hot.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Usually they are always fresh and hot I feel like.

My main gripe with McDonald’s is a good third of the time my fries are soggy and gross.

by Zwakamatsu on Apr 22, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Always ask for no salt.

Forces them to do a new batch.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

That and their fries tase better without salt.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

That they spend a total of 48 cents on, labor included.

And it turns “barely qualifies as food” into “well below average”, which is a big step up.

I don’t see the problem.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You've converted me with this completely new knowledge.

Who knew that most fast food restaurants use processed food?

If I had time to make everything myself, I would. Until that point, I’ll put up with eating sub-par meals a few times a week to save a little money.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can do whatever you'd like

but asking someone to make you a new batch of fries at McDonald’s because you feel entitled to having only the best at McDonald’s seems silly.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Don't give me sloppy cold fries, make me a fresh batch!" is a dick move,

but asking for a special order isn’t. As a restaurant employee it is your job to try to give the customer what they want. If it’s extra pickles, or no salt, or double ketchup or whatever.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The dick move is what my buddy used to do

He’d order fries without salt, but ask for a packet of salt when they handed him his order

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

When they start adhering to their toss schedules

and stop oversalting their fries, I won’t need to do that.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have an idea

1) Don’t shit on people to make yourself feel important. Fast food cooks are people too, and nobody is impressed by someone making them jump through hoops.

2) People like me who used to cook burgers and fries used to plot the humiliation of people with these kinds of demands.

by JI on Apr 22, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Back when I worked fast food,

I didn’t care if people wanted “no salt” fries, then added their own salt.

Maybe they just want a little salt, or maybe they simply want to control the exact amount of salt they have on their fries.

No skin off my back. Just don’t complain if you have to wait for a new batch to cook.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

?

1 – Who cares about impressions, I care about getting edible food. It doesn’t take that much extra to do it (see below), and considering that I do not do it during lunch rush because they’re packed then and their fries are fresh at that point anyways, I don’t see how “hoops” come into play.

2 – Believe it or not, but I started working in the fast food circuit (up to and including management) and A) it takes more time to bitch then to just do it, and B) it was part of my job and therefore what I was going to do it.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you care about getting edible food

why the fuck are you in a fast food restaurant in the first place?

by JI on Apr 22, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Really?

This is worth getting cranky about? My whole day consists of taking care of what sometimes feel like petty demands.

From a business person perspective you want people to learn at jobs like working a fast food grill that the point of an enterprise is to please the customer.

If you did not learn that then what the hell is the point of working?

Stupid 10 pin - Thingray

by Sec 108 on Apr 22, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a lot easier to not get annoyed at petty demands

when you’re not making &6.00 an hour and getting yelled at by every third person you interact with.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's how you learn to deal with it later in life though.

Paper routes are awful jobs, but they teach you about hard work, even if your making next to nothing.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Perhaps customer service isn't the job for you then.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

So you don't hate everyone in the video store,

just when you worked fast food.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

No I still hate everyone.

The biggest lesson I learned is that some people will never be pleased and there is a time when the best option is to tell them to shut the fuck up and go away.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

So you hate some people.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thingray is correct though.

Fast food jobs are considered a starter course on learning how to handle work stress.

You may have hated the job and everyone that bugged you, but you may very well be a great manager now because of lessons learned on that job.

Stupid 10 pin - Thingray

by Sec 108 on Apr 22, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have worked worse jobs

So I’m not sure what your point is. I once worked a job where I was robbed at gunpoint but I do not hate my current customers because of it.

Stupid 10 pin - Thingray

by Sec 108 on Apr 22, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

My point is

You think he’d already know this having worked the job and doesn’t needed to be reminded about it like he’s 15 and filling out his first job application.

by JI on Apr 22, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just because you do it (which I have heard many compliments just on this site)

doesn’t mean that it’s the job for you. If you hate everyone, it must not make you job very enjoyable.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate everyone on general principle.

I assume that people suck until they give me a reason to think otherwise and a large part of that is based on my experiences working fast food, I am still capable of interacting with people in an amicable fashion.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Expect the worst and you'll get it.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

And to expand upon that

give me one good reason I shouldn’t assume people suck.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

As far as I've experienced,

most people don’t suck. I can’t speak for your experiences.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry but

I can say with certainty that at least 80% of the people I’ve met suck. Of course that number is driven up because I am on a college campus, but seriously. Maybe I’m picky about people but I think giving people you don’t know the benefit of the doubt usually doesn’t bring anything good.

by Zwakamatsu on Apr 22, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because today when I went

to Chipotle to get my weekly burrito, I heard the conversation about the guy behind the counter breaking his new TV, and chimed in. I have his number and he will be getting my company’s price on a show return.

SSS, I know, but not everyone is evil and out to get you. When I was in fast food (or roofing, or working on computers, or driving forklift), I met people that would have done the same for me.

Some people will suck, most you just have to give a chance.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Faux, you do not suck.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're just saying that because I'm wearing your sig.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I seem to have a few of those now.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

You'll argue this,

but going into it with that assumption will affect your interactions with those people.

I’m done with this argument. Some people are just more inclined to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I am, I don’t think you are.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like people in general

So I don’t know what to tell you.

Stupid 10 pin - Thingray

by Sec 108 on Apr 22, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

----E

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Apr 22, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brick killed a guy!

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

That got out of hand pretty quick, didn't it?

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Find yourself a safe house or a relative close by.

Lay low for a while, because you’re probably wanted for murder.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are we still quoting Anchorman here?

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

There was a scratch in the space-time doo-hickey.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems like an endless argument to me.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm out.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I seem to have taken the opposite lesson out of it.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would argue that if you want something besides what is offered

corporate fast food chains are pretty the much that absolute worst place to go.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

But I'm American!

I want what I want, when I want it, no matter what! THAT’S WHAT THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON YOU TERRORIST!

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Granted, you are much better off walking into the Metropolitan Grill and asking for something special.

But that doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t be able to request “no pickles” or something at a fast food joint.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said before,

If you just say “give me new fries so I don’t get shitty ones”, you can bite me.

But if you ask for fries with no salt, no problem here. Stand over there and I’ll have your order ready in a few minutes.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing is

why should it matter if I ask for unsalted fries? They know they work at a fast food restaurant, I have a hard time thinking that someone asking for unsalted fries is really gonna ruin anyone working at a fast food chain’s day.

by Zwakamatsu on Apr 22, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are tons of reasons it's annoying.

If someone has a legitimate dietary restriction that’s one thing (although if you’re on a low sodium diet why the hell are you eating fast food) but the entire point of places like McDonald’s is that you know exactly what you’re getting the second you walk in the door. Asking for special orders that take longer to make defeats the entire purpose.

It increases the likelihood of excessive food waste, it increases the likelihood that the people behind you in line are going to yell at the person working the counter because their food took too long, etc etc etc.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I guess I just don't give a shit

about someone working at McDonalds getting bitched at. There are people that get bitched at waaaay more often and for way pettier/out of the employee’s hands types of reasons. The food waste though is a good point.

by Zwakamatsu on Apr 22, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not cool. Everyone deserves to be treated equally.

But I still don’t see the big deal in asking for something different. Hell, most of the fast food places advertise their ability to do exactly that.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never said anything about bitching at people just because

they work at McDonalds, or condoning bitching in general, and I’m confused where you got that. If your day is going to be ruined because someone yelled at you at a fast food restaurant that food isn’t coming out fast enough, then that’s weird. 90% of the time the people who would go out of their way to bitch at someone at McDonald’s just want something to bitch about, and slow food happened to be what the “wheel of bitching” landed on. From experience, people’s days are not ruined by bitching, and thus, it’s not a big deal.

by Zwakamatsu on Apr 22, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I got it from

“I guess I don’t give a shit about someone working at McDonald’s getting bitched at”.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Basically what I meant was

usually the things they get bitched at for are petty little nothing things. It’s not like someone comes into McDonalds and personally rips apart and attacks employees most of the time. It just seems like their tolerance for taking bullshit should be pretty damn high.

And for the record, asking for unsalted fries is a great way to get fresh fries, but is an annoying thing to do.

by Zwakamatsu on Apr 22, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not the point though

My point is that it’s not OK to take your shit out on someone else just because they work in a low-wage job (and I don’t mean you specifically, I mean that in a general sense).

The fact that “their tolerance for taking bullshit should be pretty damn high” doesn’t change the fact that they should have to be subjected to it in the first place.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with that specifically yes

I definitely don’t think they deserve it and I don’t condone it, I just think they should probably be pretty used to it. Doesn’t make it valid, it’s just not gonna make me hate myself if someone gets bitched at on my behalf, but like I said, I personally wouldn’t put myself in that situation.

by Zwakamatsu on Apr 22, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess yes I condone it in

the sense that people getting bitched at in this scenario is probably harmless. Some people have it worse I’m sure, but those people probably aren’t serving fries. If a worker’s day is going to be ruined because a customer bitched about their food taking 5 minutes longer than they arbitrarily expected, the worker shouldn’t be at McDonald’s.

This subthread made me hungry at first, but now I don’t ever want to order fries again.

by Zwakamatsu on Apr 22, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well then

I’m speaking too much on behalf of myself, and maybe I should stop being a dick.

by Zwakamatsu on Apr 22, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am not asking this to be a dick, I promise:

have you worked in customer service extensively? Because if not I think you would be absolutely amazed.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will second this.

I worked as a ride operator at Knott’s Berry Farm. I was bitched at so many times because I was enforcing the height restrictions for kids. It sucks, and it sticks with you.

Lady, thanks for calling me a racist, but I’m just trying to keep your kid from flying out of the ride.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Apr 22, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about Wendy's fries?

Always been my favorite fast food. In a close second is Chick-fil-a’s Waffle fries.

by Robert Lintott on Apr 22, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where the hell is there a Chick-fil-a?

I haven’t seen one in all of WA. Wendy’s is good but I have weird memories of eating cold double stacks as a kid and it still kinda haunts me to this day.

by Zwakamatsu on Apr 22, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I live in DC and commute to UMD for grad school, so we've got them here

Actually we had a chick-fil-a in the food court at GW (undergrad) and now one here at UMD. Awesome. A chicken biscuit for breakfast is pretty wonderful

by Robert Lintott on Apr 22, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

GW class of 06

I assume you also are madly in love with Mike Hall.

by DCMariner on Apr 23, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think there is one in Bellingham, although I've never been.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That sucks Bellingham is a good 4 or 5 hours from me.

Next time I go to the westside a stop is definitely in order.

by Zwakamatsu on Apr 22, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Buckley's in Lower Queen Anne

has fries that are lightly crispy on the outside and topped with shredded parmesan cheese. They’re pretty good.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Apr 22, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

RC bait!

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry.

I am of Swiss heritage so heavy sauces and lots of cheese make me happy.

Stupid 10 pin - Thingray

by Sec 108 on Apr 22, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree.

And I love me some poutin.

by sammy on Apr 22, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes! A fellow mayophobic!

If you’re putting a ‘special sauce’ on your fries (and you’re not in Belgium), then you’re trying to cover for the fact that you just deep-fried pressed sawdust.

by marc w on Apr 22, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I literally cannot stand the stuff

The only mayo I will voluntarily eat is chipotle mayo, and only on the Ragin’ Cajun chicken burger I get at Red Robin. And that’s only because the chicken patty is covered in hot sauce and thus the mayo really cannot even be tasted

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you happen to see that big eating contest thing they had on TV probably 5 or 6 years ago?

One of the things they had to eat was Mayo. Just a huge bowl of Mayo. Even I like it on some stuff and I almost yakked when I saw that.

by Zwakamatsu on Apr 22, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Goddamn that is terrible

Although I sat and watched a buddy eat a tub of butter just to prove to somebody that he’d do it. That was tough to watch

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh....

That had to do wonders for his digestive system.

by royalcurve on Apr 22, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've always fi\ound this line of thinking to be preposterous.

I can see the “don’t put A-1 on a good steak” thing, but c’mon. We’re talking deep fried potatoes here. Ketchup is great, mayo is great BBQ sauce is great. The best spaghetti in the world is bland without sauce.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've always found your face preposterous.

Yes, I’m letting my bias show – typing the word mayonnaise makes me uncomfortable.

Beyond that, I think lightly salted fries, possibly with a decent light-ish sauce are delicious and fully-formed in a way that spaghetti is not. Further, you know there are a ton of nasty, not-quite-food french fries out there, and you also know that dousing something in a really rich/heavy sauce is one way to disguise that fact.

Admittedly, the belgians seem to dig on frites and mayo, and I’ll admit the frites and curry sauce (and yes, curry was origninally an ingenious invention to cover food that probably ceased being edible a few weeks back) is great.

by marc w on Apr 22, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

A fine choice.

Not one I agree with, but one I can understand and respect.

by marc w on Apr 22, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those deep fried potatoes can be beautifully tasty if you let them

All they need is salt and rosemary (or vinegar). They’re not sauce delivery mechanisms.

by Graham MacAree on Apr 22, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll put mayo on fries

But I’d rather use white vinegar.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Apr 22, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

They have the spiced seasonings they put on top at Five Guys, does that count?


Arctic Circle doesn’t have great fries, but this is the best thing ever.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

The thing is maybe

because I’m more exposed to Dicks and less to In-N-Out I’m of the same opinion. Dick’s is overrated, I dont’ like their fries either. The Deluxe is a pretty good deal though.

by Zwakamatsu on Apr 22, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree.

But it doesn’t really matter; FatBurger rules them all.

by sammy on Apr 22, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

My comment dissappeared. Weird.

Anyway, I find that Fatburger is being criminally ignored in this sub-thread.

by sammy on Apr 22, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

That place is disgusting.

Horrid. Repulsive. Stupefyingly nasty.

That’s all.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

A Fatburger with cheese and a fried egg on top

is better than any other fast food burger I have ever had.

by sammy on Apr 22, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I bet a Krispy Kreme donut is a lot less bad for your health than most people think.

I find it funny that people will decry donuts and then go order a triple caramel macc from Starburks

by Matthew on Apr 22, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was more concerned about the burger, bacon, and fried egg.

Sugar isn’t going to cause any occlusion, just maybe diabetes.

by abender20 on Apr 22, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

eh

it’s no Fifth Third Burger.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

That sounds like a burger you can get from a Kebab house down the road

Beef Burger, Fried Egg, Cheese, Bacon, Pineapple and Doner Meat

Salad is an optional extra

Also, one more vote for In n’ Out here, only time I had it, it was bloody delicious

by Indigo_Satellite on Apr 22, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Denny's was above average Denny's quality.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

My god, I haven't heard that name in forever.

My Dad was a regional manager for them back in the 80’s. There was one still in Tacoma about 10 years ago, but I don’t know if it’s still there.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking in the Anaheim area

That’s the one restaurant my family went to I can remember that wasn’t theme-parked out.

"What is Jumanji?" --Jason Owens

by GoodKeith on Apr 22, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't even know they existed in California.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe it was more like 15 or 16 years ago.

I remember meeting my brother for lunch there when he lived in Tacoma.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was the hot spot for a while there.

It’s been several iterations of Mexican restaurant for the past 10-12 years, I think.

by marc w on Apr 22, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't surprise me,

I was amazed it was still there back then!

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Literally a hot spot...

IIRC, it burned down and they never reopened.

Bastards. I used to spend all my birthdays there as a kid.

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Apr 22, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that what happened to it?

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you thinking of the one on 6th, near Mildred?

The building looks fine. Or do you mean a fire ripped apart the kitchen or something?

by marc w on Apr 22, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

The building burned, and they rebuilt it IIRC...

But Flakey Jakes never reopened…

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Apr 22, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you get a side of steamed vegetables only it's pretty decent

I do this in airports all the time – beats eating fast food.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's gotta be tough to screw up steamed veggies.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

A plate full of steamed veggies + a little black pepper = good airport eating in a sea of McWendyKings.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

P.S. I will e-mail everyone their tickets later today

and bring printed copies of everyone’s tickets to the game as well.

bluemax – need your email so I can send yours

by seattlebruin on Apr 22, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I actually thought that it was an OK move for what it was

and was disappointed that he was cut before Sexson and Vidro

by JI on Apr 22, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was a low risk move.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Possible Radio Fun.

Calabro announced that as he was out friday for a National basketball gig (Philadelphia? maybe?) sitting in for him on KIRO friday would be Clare Farnsworth, with Art Thiel.

by msb on Apr 22, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, that was incredible

I left my computer for like 15 minutes and came back to see that mess

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just got back from lunch

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too.

Now I just need to decide where to go for lunch.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

…

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not really helpful...

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you really want to get into this discussion again?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although I will ask, has anyone tried the "non-fried" chicken at KFC yet?

Some baked chicken sounds pretty good.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't they try that years ago?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought so, but they are trying it again according to the sign on KFC up the street.

"Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."

by Thingray on Apr 22, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember going in for my last paycheck at one, they were putting in a rotisserie.

But going back a month later they had never used it.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Correlation/Linear Regression

Wildly offtopic even for an OTFPOTD, but I am currently studying for my level 2 CFA test. I am still not entirely comfortable with regression and time series analyses. Does anyone here know of any good websites that explain some of the stuff in layman’s terms? Unfortunately I figured out that I liked finance long after I had decided math wasn’t worth my time in school…

by TheTank123 on Apr 22, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Nothing?

I figured with the statistical ability of a lot of the people here you guys would at least have a nibble for me.

by TheTank123 on Apr 22, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your fault for missing it the first time.

Statute of limitations – passed.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

For the people here who have played the Final Fantasy games and have enjoyed the music

The Seattle Symphony Orchestra will be playing selections from the Final Fantasy series on July 9 through 11.

Composer Nobuo Uematsu will be in attendance.

by BrianL on Apr 22, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow.

I know that there have been issues with symphonies losing their audiences as they got older/died and weren’t replaced with young symphony listeners, but video game soundtracks? That’s…desperation, right there.

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by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would pay twice the 85$ to see that.

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by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

And for the record, the FF music is the best thing about those games by a wide margin.

And probably a good chunk of the storytelling is done through the music. (It sure wasn’t done in the script)

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by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh I agree.

Despite the deteriorating quality of the storytelling and character development in the franchise, the music has remained top-notch.

by BrianL on Apr 22, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it all that different from a symphony orchestra playing selections from John Williams' various works?

Personally I love the music of Nobuo Uematsu. If he wanted to he could easily make the transition and score for films, but he’s chosen video games as his medium.

by BrianL on Apr 22, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope, it's not

and I’m not crazy about that either. I understand that symphonies need to attract audiences, but I think they could/should do a better job of broadening their horizons without going all pop-culturey. It’s hopelessly anachronistic, I know, and probably snobby, but I grew up in a classical-music obsessed household and I think a top-tier orchestra should do top-tier music – either the musty old classics or anything by current/recent classical composers.

Leave the popular stuff to the lesser orchestras – the SSO should be doing more challenging stuff.

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by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't either, like I said

I don’t think they should always play Mozart/Beethoven/Bach etc., but there are a TON of classical composers in the world that are creating new exciting works, and I see no reason top orchestras can’t go that route.

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by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not casting him aside

as much as trying to advocate for composers that don’t have the benefit of a bajillion-dollar video game franchise to help get them in the public eye.

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by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's good and all

but by that logic, they should never play Mozart or whoever because everybody is already familiar with at least some of his work.

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by Eyebrows on Apr 22, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Missed my point almost entirely there, methinks

Symphonies play several concerts every year. There’s room for both the musty old classics and the new works – and there’s value in playing the Fifth Symphony or whatever common work you can think of periodically. All I’m saying is that the new works would ideally come from composers that aren’t as widely known as a person that writes music for a very successful movie, video game, or whatever – not to denigrate those people’s work, because I’m sure it’s good (I don’t know much video game music but I do like the occasional film symphonic score), but to put it in a marketing context those people already have a distribution channel for their work.

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by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right well, then as I think it's been said

this is more a move to get the younger crowd in there, get them exposed to the symphony, and get their names on the mailing list.

Not that that should take away from the fact that his works seem to be judged by many as totally deserving of a show like this.

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by Eyebrows on Apr 22, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why can't they do both?

If symphony orchestras really have a responsibility to further the classical style, that responsibility extends to more than just promoting the works of up-and-coming composers. Let’s be perfectly honest, you and I are not casual fans of music. I love the works of Erik Whittacre and other young and coming composers. The casual music fan doesn’t give a rat’s ass.

But Nobuo Uematsu? That’s a name a casual music fan might recognize. That’s a name that will draw the casual music fan to the symphony orchestra for the first time in their life, and once they sit through that first concert a whole new world of music may open up to them. Suddenly an interest in Brahams or Mozart may be formed.

That casual music fan, who never before had any interest in listening to a symphony orchestra, may then ask themselves “where can I hear more music like this?”

And then you point them to Erik Whittacre or some other up-and-coming composer. And then you have one more person in the world who has developed a love and appreciation for the classical style.

by BrianL on Apr 22, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

My hesitation to agree is because your Step 3 never seems to happen

Typically, once symphonies realize the cash that can be made from doing concerts like the Uematsu one, instead of then saying “hey, if you like that then you’ll love Erik Whittacre who will be here next week/month/season”, they go “Hey let’s do this same thing again next year because we need the cash!”, which then shuts out the Erik Whittacres of the world from the exposure they need. That’s where my issue lies.

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by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can see how this could be a problem

I’m just of the mindset that the most important thing any musical artist/group/orchestra can do is draw new people into the fold and expose them to their style of music. So, if performing Uematsu’s music or a new composer’s music really are mutually exclusive, I’d perform Uematsu’s music.

But, then again, I don’t believe for a moment that symphony orchestra’s can’t do both.

by BrianL on Apr 22, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

But the SSO isn't playing those works.

They’re playing selections from Final Fantasy. It’s the equivalent of the Seattle Art Museum putting up a show of Magic: The Gathering illustrations. Magic cards are not art and neither are FF soundtracks.

by sammy on Apr 22, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa there

I did not imply and do not endorse the view that the FF soundtrack is not art. I haven’t heard it, I’m not judging it – I just think there are composers that the SSO and similar orchestras should be seeking out before they go the easy marketing route.

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by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

You may not be implying that,

but I am. I have played the FF series. I enjoyed them, and I enjoyed the music. But soundtracks – whether for movies or videogames – are just that: soundtracks. That’s not to denigrate soundtracks and the composers who write them. I’m a graphic designer and there are some wonderful amazing graphic designers out there that I admire deeply, but what they do is graphic design, not art. They are separate fields.

by sammy on Apr 22, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

There was a show last month of FF songs, Seattle Symphony I believe.

A couple of my gamer friends were really excited about it. I completely forgot to mention it here, I was thinking some of the regulars might have been interested.

by Kermit. on Apr 22, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the problem is that top notch composers work in different genres now.

So the tier one talent you used to see is now much more spread out.

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by Faux on Apr 22, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

100 percent.

There are some amazing contemporary/avant garde/experimental composers out there. The SSO and other top notch metropolitan orchestras have a responsibility to the craft, not to the populace.

by sammy on Apr 22, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh man that's awesome, I hope they come to Manchester some time.

I love gay shit like this.

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by EnglishMariner on Apr 22, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone heard the new Thermals record?

AMAZING. Their show at Neumos two Saturdays ago was top notch.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Apr 22, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm going to pick it up tonight

because I’ve heard raves about it and about that show.

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by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

You defnitely should.

That show was one of the best (if not the best) that I’ve seen. The new album is less punk then their previous (especially the first two) and less lo-fi but still powerful. Melodies are great as ever.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Apr 22, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll get it. I just have to say

that I picked up the 7" with a song or two from the album and… uh, hmm. Maybe it wasn’t the right context. Just didn’t do it for me.

by marc w on Apr 22, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm.

I am a bit biased as they are one of my favorite bands but I wasn’t too hot on the single when I first heard it months back either. Now after getting the album I love it, so your opinion could change. Are you a fan of their older stuff?

by Woodinville_12thMan on Apr 22, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Then you should like it I think.

Hutch has a gift for a great melody and presence. He carries the record more this time around, it’s not as driven by the band. It’s a pretty fun album, not a heavy concept album or anything like The Body the Blood but more about just enjoying the music.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Apr 22, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Krueger just tossed Ichiro under the bus, and then backed up over him.

on KIRO he announced (proclaimed, really) that in his opinion Ichiro decided to bunt for a hit, and failed, thus leaving the runner at 3rd (implying that it was that darned Selfish Ichiro again).

When reminded that Wak said there was a mix up at third, he refused to allow it, and just reiterated that Ichiro was going for the hit.

thanks, Bill. He then went on to talk about how Washburn has reinvented himself.

by msb on Apr 22, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

And now the calls begins on KIRO

caller: "I happen to agree with Krueger, he’s a very astute guy, and Ichiro’s done this before .. "

caller: “I think that Bill Krueger doesn’t know what he is talking about, a drag bunt from a left handed batters goes to 1st base, and Ichiro’s bunt was placed towards third, Betancourt was standing at third asleep”

Salk: “it isn’t just a selfish move, it is a stupid move, and I refuse to believe Ichiro is stupid”

by msb on Apr 22, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you know that left-handed batters never called upon to pull off the suicide squeeze?

so sayeth a caller. Guess he missed Ramon Santiago, batting from the lefty-side, pulling off two suicide squeezes against the Mariners last week.

by msb on Apr 22, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not surprisingly ...

it is devolving into those who love Ichiro, and those who hate him.

by msb on Apr 22, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have been very, very pleased with what I've been hearing out of him so far

Calabro’s show is a little heavy on the cheese, but he has no problem pissing off his listeners (“Bulldoze Husky stadium, it’s a dump!”)

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by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

This might be the wrong thing to say

but I actually agree, play the Huskies at Qwest Field.

by BrianL on Apr 22, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way man.

I don’t really give a shit one way or the other about the Huskies, but the stadium is worth preserving. That site, that view, the history, way too cool to let go.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was halfway through writing a reply to Brian but you pretty much just said exactly what I was going to

Husky stadium may be a dump, but it has history. I’ve never sat in the place, and Qwest is probably a billion times better, but I’d prefer it to be renovated

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by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't tear it down

I’d just let it sit and have the Huskies play at Qwest until someone can put together a decent renovation proposal. Use the extra money you bring in by having more fans at Qwest for a few seasons to help offset the cost of renovation.

by BrianL on Apr 22, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Qwest Field seats 5k less and they wouldn't be the primary tenant

My love for Qwest is well known and Husky Stadium was a decrepit dump when I went to a game in 04 but I can not think of a single reason to play college football at Qwest.

by Robert on Apr 22, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck No

Qwest Field is a absolutely terrible venue for college football.

by Robert on Apr 22, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I heart Carrie Brownstein

I mean, I always have, but her blog took on a particular bit of linguistic laziness that I’ve never liked the other day.

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by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 2:53 PM PDT reply actions  

If my time at LL has taught me anything, though

it’s that what rocks to one person doesn’t at all rock to another, so it’s an inelegant metaphor at best.

(Note to mods: I have in fact learned many baseball-related things from LL)

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by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know it's not a very good one

But arguing against metaphors by saying that they do not actually mean what they mean in a non-metaphorical context is bizarre.

by Graham MacAree on Apr 22, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Tubaman's killers are about to be sentenced.

They’re expected to get 15-36 weeks in juvie, with the 24 weeks they’ve already spent in custody credited towards their sentence.

Meh.

by BrianL on Apr 22, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Meh?

Try GODDAMN THAT’S A HIDEOUS INJUSTICE AND I HOPE THE JUDGE FINDS SOME WAY TO KEEP THEM INCARCERATED FOR YEARS instead.

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by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this is a case where the laws on the books could use a bit of tweaking

because holy crap 36 weeks for killing a man? I don’t want to lock them up forever but it just doesn’t seem like the punishment they’re getting fits the enormity of their crime.

by BrianL on Apr 22, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very annoying, but it commonly happens that way

They try not to “penalize” the person for the legal system being slow to get a trial, so you usually get credit for time served during the process. It’s kinda stupid, but I can see how it makes sense in certain situations

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by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it makes sense in a lot of situations

but it seems like with juvenile sentences being so soft by design they might be able to make an exception.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not severe enough

The juvenile trial laws are stupid, though. At 15 you know goddamn well that what you are doing is dangerous and very against the law. What kind of message is being sent to these guys to allow them 9 months in jail for something that would land any one of us adults 9 years at the minimum?

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by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

From what I read there were no witnesses, so they had to go with the confessions.

Else they could have tried for trial as adults. Going this route they were guaranteed a sentence. Just what I read in the papers, I’m not a lawyer here.

by Kermit. on Apr 22, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lineups are out, via Baker.

Branyan’s still out.

Ichiro RF
Endy Chavez LF
Ken Griffey Jr. DH
Adrian Beltre 3B
Mike Sweeney 1B
Jose Lopez 2B
Rob Johnson C
Franklin Gutierrez CF
Yuniesky Betancourt SS

by sammy on Apr 22, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Urghh, please come back Branyan you hulking strikeout monster.

This is all the motherfucking JEWS fault.

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by EnglishMariner on Apr 22, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last week I went sailing and the ruddy rudder was broken.

*This didn’t happen, but it should tide you over for a week or two.

by abender20 on Apr 22, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nick Johnson is currently batting .383, and .480 from the #2 hole

Wouldn’t it be nice for the M’s to have him?

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by esoteric on Apr 22, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

here's a conundrum that I need help with

I’m about to leave work. I’m on my bike, and for whatever reason I’m completely exhausted. There is a rather large hill between my current location and my home. Do I:

1. Throw my bike on the MAX and ride once I get to the top of the hill, like a little girl on a pink bike with training wheels
2. Ride the most direct way home, which is the steepest yet shortest possible hill, gutting it out like the triathlete I wish I was
3. Ride the second-most-direct way, which is not as steep but about 1.5x as long, which is still a decent workout but not gross
4. Ride the third-most-direct way, which is almost completely flat but takes me longer to get home, which just seems like an even wussier option than #1

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by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 4:07 PM PDT reply actions  

If it were me I would call a cab.

Seriously though, I’d go with #1 or #4. You work hard, you’re tired, no sense in beating yourself up for taking it easy for once.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scorch balls up the middle.

If you take the metaphor literally, you want to ride up the hill as quickly as possible, preferably in jeans.

by abender20 on Apr 22, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ouch

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by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wear riding gear for my commute

there’s no way I’m riding six miles in street clothes. So no scorching. That’s…not fun.

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by pdb on Apr 22, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I somehow got tricked into watching like 3 minutes worth of a movie called Begotten

It’s available on youtube and google video. It is absolutely unsettling and creepy. I don’t usually get weirded out by stuff but wow wow

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by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll look into it

Have you seen/heard of Begotten?

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by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same with Begotten, from what I now understand

I’m going to watch the whole thing at some point, but definitely not one to have on while my kid is in the house

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by tootthekazoo on Apr 22, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Salo exists in its own solar system of shit that is fucked up.

I Walk Alone is maybe the only other movie I can think of that comes even close.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen it.

It doesn’t sound very interesting from what I’ve heard, even though I love Haneke and Breillat.

by sammy on Apr 22, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can deal with all sorts of fucked up uncomfortable shit if there's a point.

Salo is horrible to watch but it makes a valid and important point about fascism. I Stand Alone has no point. It’s fucked up for the sake of being fucked up.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's why it doesn't sound very interesting.

I’ve been meaning to watch Salo for a long while now. It’s kind of pitiful how little Pasolini I’ve seen.

by sammy on Apr 22, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Salo is a genuinely terrible film.

And it makes no point about fascism that isn’t thoroughly banal.

It is mere sexual exploitation, dressed up in the pretense of art. A disgusting film with no redeeming value.

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by esoteric on Apr 22, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've heard this point.

But need to see it to judge for myself. Also, considering the number of filmmakers I love that descend directly from Pasolini’s lineage, I feel I should at least give it a chance.

by sammy on Apr 22, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, not buying this at all.

I say this as an unapologetic fan of exploitation cinema.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 22, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

From one unapologetic fan of trash cinema to another

esoteric’s right. It is the single cheapest, worthless ‘get out of jail free card’ to say, “uh…. it’s about, like, Nazis” to justify repugnant trash (or personal fantasies, or whatever). It’s the kind of thing that shuts down an argument – “What, you don’t CARE about what the Nazis DID?”

And everyone learned from it. Every shitty horror movie director claimed that their schlocky gore-fest was actually a statement about Vietnam, or consumerism, or this or that. It just… it really pisses me off, and I realize everyone’s different, and I’m not saying the people who ‘like’ Salo are complicit in something. Personally, I always thought it was a highbrow reaction to Italian cinema – from Ruggiero or Fulci or whatever, which… I understand that, and people from Godard to Oliver Stone have done this sort of thing, but the whole “it’s an allegory about fascism” thing just drives me up the fucking wall.

by marc w on Apr 22, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven't seen Salo, but,

in general, just because a film’s ‘intentions’ or ‘message’ feel flat doesn’t mean a film has no value as a document or artistic work. Otherwise no one would care for camp classics. “I Spit on Your Grave” is a totally vile and misogynistic movie cheaply dipped in a patina of woman’s lib/vengeance. That the cathartic retribution scenes are laughably dwarfed by the horror of the rape scenes doesn’t bother me in the least; after all, it’s the crazy imbalance that makes the movie an interesting document (of extreme exploitation cinema and of the director’s wholly twisted and fucked up psyche).

by sammy on Apr 23, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh there's no doubt

It can have value as a document of the director’s wholly twisted and fucked up psyche – it’s when the director (or fans) claim that it’s NOT a document of that psyche, and that it’s REALLY illuminating some important social/political point that I can bullshit.

In this case, the movie isn’t particularly faithful, as it seems to substitute the director’s victims of choice for de Sade’s. Again, I can see it as a document to the passions of Pasolini, and even as a response to Italian cinema (the Italians seem to do this call and response a lot). But just because you’ve got a character in a Nazi uniform doesn’t mean you’re telling uncomfortable truths about fascism, any more than Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS would enlighten students of WWII. I’m not saying ‘ban it’ – I’m just saying it’s oversold as political art, and that claiming something is political art means never having to say you’re sorry.

by marc w on Apr 23, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not actually going to disagree that the political aspects of the film are oversold

but I think there’s fairly obvious commentary about fascism. And I think it’s worth noting that Pasolini was never really one to play the “it’s a political statement!” card, it was typically film critics and scholars.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 23, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this 100%

Of course, he didn’t really have an opportunity to play the fascism card (or any other cards).

by marc w on Apr 23, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just watched "Dead Snow"

and I learned A LOT about Nazis. Also, about zombies that are actually Nazis. Chiefly, don’t fuck with their gold.

Anyway, point taken, and I pretty much agree. The thing is, a director’s intentions and my enjoyment of a movie are entirely unrelated (except in cases where the former adds to the latter; see, The Room). I don’t really care if a director sounds like a pretentious ass when he talks about his work if the movie is interesting regardless; I’d take that a thousand times over an overtly allegorical movie with forced metaphors and no other redeeming qualities.

by sammy on Apr 23, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

*To clarify, and more directly address your comment,

I don’t really care if a director is shooting out his ass when he talks about his work if the movie is interesting regardless

by sammy on Apr 23, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think we're going to agree on this.

I think the Marquis de Sade—> Italian fascism connection is fairly obvious, but reasonable people can disagree.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 23, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aaagh goddamn it!

The Wise Man’s Fear (Book two in the Kingskiller Chronicles and the sequel to The Name of the Wind) has had its release delayed to August.

by BrianL on Apr 22, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions  

That sucks

Name of the Wind was an awesome book and I am really looking forward to the next installation.

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by crushedoptimist on Apr 22, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hi my name is Robert

I am a poor 22 year old paraplegic who is currently looking a ticket to Saturday’s Sounders game that costs less then 50 dollars. Any help would would be simply splendid. God Bless.

by Robert on Apr 22, 2009 4:56 PM PDT reply actions  

If you happen to know where I might be able to acquire a ticket for free

I would be willing to dress up in the animal costume of your choice and be the canvas for your amusement for 67 minutes.

by Robert on Apr 22, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

The pub in tacoma that runs a bus to the game

often gets tickets in from people who can’t make the game. They gave away some free tickets last game, and there were other people selling tickets for 1/2 of face. I’ll keep an eye out.

by marc w on Apr 22, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

A good joke:

A couple is at a fine dining establishment looking over their menus. The waiter approaches ans asks, “are you ready to order?”
The husband says, “yes, but quick question – how do you prepare your chickens?”
The waiter replies, “we really don’t do anything special, we just sort of tell them, ’you’re going to die.’”

Illegible

by kevin_ess on Apr 22, 2009 8:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Hahaha

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by tootthekazoo on Apr 23, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you used the correct Sounders URL you wouldn't have this problem

don’t hate Portland, hate the Sounders web team who didn’t register all the possible variants of Seattle and Sounders and FC and all that.

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by pdb on Apr 23, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

On a related note

Why do the Sounders show up as Seattle Sounders FC on some tables while other teams use just their city name or city name FC?

by Robert on Apr 23, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know but I can't stand the "FC" designation

and I wish American teams would stop using it as a signifier. It’s not Seattle Mariners BT, it’s not Seattle Seahawks FT…

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by pdb on Apr 23, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed but I do like what Tornoto FC did

By not giving the team a nickname, it allowed one to be found organically and thus much more fitting than any other expansion in years (Sounders and Timbers excluded).

by Robert on Apr 23, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

But Casa Diablo!

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by pdb on Apr 23, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not as of Jan 1 this year there isn't

and it’s GLORIOUS

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 23, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

NOOOOOOO!!!!

Probably a good thing for year-round residents, but I will miss sucking down a pack of reds once-a-year in a windowless hovel with bad nu-metal playing and PBR and steak and ironic trucker hats and stuff.

by waldo rojas on Apr 23, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

One unintended consequence of the no-smoking laws

is that you now get to experience what a bar really smells like. Fry grease, cologne and butt.

by waldo rojas on Apr 23, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'll definitely take that

because none of those scents linger on my clothes when I walk out of the bar.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 23, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't even tell you

how many times prior to January I shouted “DON’T YOU KNOW THAT ALLOWING SMOKING IN YOUR BAR WILL DECREASE YOUR BLOOD OXYGENATION? DO YOU NOT CARE ABOUT PROPERLY OXYGENATED BLOOD?” at a bartender on a crowded Friday night.

Although the number probably strongly correlates with the number of times I’ve been kicked out of bars on crowded Friday nights.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 23, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with people who smoke.

I don’t take issue with people doing whatever they want. However, as there are health risks and smoking therefore can be categorized as a “harmful” activity, I don’t think it’s fair to subject anyone else to that harm unless they are fully OK with it. I don’t mean to start a discussion on rights or even the health risks associated, but I think it’s an issue of common courtesy. I’m not happy when someone with the flu comes into the office, either.

by abender20 on Apr 23, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is why I'm always a dick

When I’m nice about it nobody fucking notices.

Sub thread closed.

by Graham MacAree on Apr 23, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I did notice your first comment (and it was rather pleasant indeed.)

I thought the redirect was acceptable. As it apparently isn’t, I’m sorry for continuing.

by abender20 on Apr 23, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are cleary more qualified to recognize the warning signs early.

I didn’t see it much differently from yesterday’s French Fry discussion, just about a different topic. I guess it’s more likely to get charged with a portion of the popuLLation who smokes, but I generally give people like acblue the benefit of the doubt in these discussions because they have more than enough insight to discuss these issues rationally and with perspective. Oh well.

by abender20 on Apr 23, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hold your horses.

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/seattlesoundersfc.com

Registrant:
   Adair, Perry madair@navadi.com
   Navadi
   1001 SW 5th Ave #1100
   Portland, OR 97204
   US
   Phone: +541.9146995

   Domain Name: seattlesoundersfc.com

According to this article, he’s one of the people that helped get the support for the team to start in Portland. He doesn’t appear to be affiliated with the team or it’s owners, and it’s probably a prank that will get cleared up when someone from the Sounders claims the site and the registrar is forced to turn it over.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 23, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Website stuff is always fishy as to who runs it, the people you blame usually have no idea it’s happening.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 23, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Has anyone been to Hop Scotch before?

I love scotch, I love beer (duh) but I hate Fremont. Worth going?

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 23, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

So no?

Damn it, I wanted to go but not alone.

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Apr 23, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

No indeed.

I could go after work I suppose, but that puts me in Tacoma no earlier than 8:00 and I don’t really want to take a bus home from Tacoma late at night after drinking a ton of barleywine.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 23, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's really, really good.

You’ll have a blast. I’d be there, but….Sounders.

by marc w on Apr 23, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you sure?

OK, same beers but different years. If you care.
Oh, and Fishtail Old Leviathan, which is pretty good.

by marc w on Apr 23, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

No one ever lets me go to Brouwers.

And I’m afraid that if I did, I would trip and break my elbow a la Broberto

by Kirsten Schlewitz on Apr 23, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

And here's what's wrong with the Phillies
Philadelphia – Bottom of 5th
Dave Bush pitching for Milwaukee
R Ibanez walked.
P Feliz flied out to center.
C Coste struck out swinging.
M Cairo pinch-hit for J Happ.
M Cairo popped out to second.
0 Runs, 0 Hits, 0 Errors

by seattlebruin on Apr 23, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please tell me you've seen Idiocracy.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 23, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

But still, good line.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 23, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm, it's a large file to cart over, but if you want it I can send it to you when I get home.

Either that or Netflix has it.

Damn you Netflix for not streaming it.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 23, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

A piece of the internet's grand history will die later this year.

Yahoo announces they will be shutting down Geocities.

Let us take a moment to reminisce about left-hand frames with scroll bars, dark wallpaper backgrounds, and MIDI files embedded into every amateur Star Wars fan page…

by BrianL on Apr 23, 2009 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

This makes me sad

My first internet page was on Geocities

Determined, Jonesing Commentor | Proud proprietor of Wyomingroutes.org & Washingtonhighways.org

by Corco on Apr 23, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say this about every 80s and 90s song remade into a rap/pop song.

I didn’t even like “Harder, Better”, but I want to punch someone in the kidneys whenever I hear that rap remake.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 23, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Does anyone here know The Half Brothers?

Some of the guys from the band “Awesome.” They do a great cover of Rich Girl with banjo.

http://www.thehalfbrothers.com/home.html

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Apr 24, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Submitted sans comment.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Apr 24, 2009 8:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Like beer? Like Stone Brewery? Can't get to CA for a tour?

The mighty WFMU has you covered. My favorite bit is the description of the perks of working there:

"Maybe he is constantly relishing the fact that as an employee of Stone, he is entitled to a ridiculous amount of free booze. He would not call this perks of the job “infinite,” but they do include one keg a month, one crate a month, a two litre bottle each week, a case every week, two free glass fills a day, and a personalized glass (name engraving included) that can be filled twice a day. He said he calculated it to be at least 2,000 calories each day in free booze."

Jebus.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 24, 2009 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

I wouldn't even come close to using my allotment

but that keg a month would definitely come in handy.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 24, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

These are good problems to have no?

I know a guy who worked for Ranier back in the hey day for them. They were sent home with a case of beer every Friday. These kinds of things can only create employee loyalty.

Stupid 10 pin - Thingray

by Sec 108 on Apr 24, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would probably be more annoyed than anything else

I live for beer variety and taking home that much Stone would make me feel guilty and wasteful when I pick up some Dogfish.

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 24, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is very very cool

Do you have a Comcast DVR? Wanna know how to skip ahead 30 seconds with one push of a button? I just did this last night and it works like a charm. And it’s superbly awesome.

1. Press the "Cable" button at the top of the remote to put it into Cable Box control mode.
2. Press and hold the "Setup" button until the "Cable" button blinks twice.
3. Enter 994 on the keypad. The "Cable" button will blink twice.
4. Press (but do not hold) the "Setup" button.
5. Enter in the code 00173.
6. Press whatever button you want to map the 30-second skip command to. The "Cable" button will blink twice if successful.

I mapped my “Lock” button to it, but any button you don’t currently use would work. And it’s freaking cool to be able to push a button and jump ahead 30 seconds.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Apr 24, 2009 9:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Holy shit I hope this works

I will test it as soon as I get back home on Sunday

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Apr 24, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

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