Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2009 Seattle Mariners:
by Terminator X on Apr 21, 2009 1:56 AM PDT
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PrintAll of the necessary trades and paths that brought the 25 players on the current 25-man roster came to Seattle. Arrows indicate trades, with the arrow originating at the player (or package of players) given up by the M's and ending at the player(s) received. Inspired by a (much(!!!) more in depth) image I saw over at blazersedge.com
Yellow border: Drafted
Red border: International/Amateur Free Agent signing
Black border: Originally signed to minor league contract
Green border: Free Agent signing
Teal border: Traded for
Purple border: Rule 5 guy
Filled in blue means still in the organization, filled in white means no longer with the org. The original Griffey is some sort of hybrid.
If any of those draft picks are compensation picks (as I think Jones might be), let me know, I couldn't find good info on that in any quick googling. Most info taken from Cot's and the Baseball Cube, with help from wikipedia at times. Let me know if you find any errors, I will probably be adding in the whole 40-man and re-organizing it a little in the next couple weeks.
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I love this
It’s a little crammed in but gets the point across and I’ve not been able to link a lot of these players together in this way before.
Excellent – thanks!
This is very, very impressive.
How did you make this, exactly? I will assume for now that it’s all magic.
Also, Carlos Silva is signed ‘08-’11, not ‘08-’10.
Powerpoint.
Which is why it’s so cramped, I was trying to fit it all on one slide. Which was going great until I hit the Putz trade, and Reed sent me on about a 25 man detour and I was really cramming to fit things in. The Jose de la Cruz dead end was really pissing me off, managed to fit it in though.
by Terminator_X on Apr 21, 2009 5:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Jeremy Reed
and Reed sent me on about a 25 man detour
I meant to ask about this. I know next to nil about baseball pre-2006 and this 2004 trade stood out on the graphic:
Freddy Garcia, Ben Davis
for
Jeremy Reed, Miguel Olivio, Mike Morse
Were the guys acquired by the Ms expected to be great prospects who never really broke, or was Garcia simply on his way out by that age and of far less worth?
Jeremy Reed was once considered one of the top OF prospects in baseball, and Miguel Olivo was supposed to be decent as well.
That never panned out, obviously.
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?
His entire transaction history is crazy...
Selected by the Padres in the first round (second pick) of the June 1995 First-Year Player Draft. … Traded with Alex Arias and Wascar Serrano to the Mariners for Brett Tomko, Tom Lampkin, Ramon Vazquez and cash on Dec. 11, 2001. … Traded with Freddy Garcia to the White Sox for Jeremy Reed, Miguel Olivo and Mike Morse on June 27, 2004. … Granted free agency on Dec. 21, 2004. … Signed a free agent contract with the White Sox on Dec. 21, 2004. … Granted free agency on Oct. 3, 2005. … Signed by the Yankees as a free agent on Jan. 5 2006. … Released by the Yankees on Sept. 13, 2006. … Overused ellipses. … Signed by the Yankees as a free agent on Jan. 15, 2007. … Solved Riemann hypothesis. … Released by the Yankees on April 3, 2007. … Signed as a free agent with the Dodgers on June 23, 2007. … Released by the Dodgers on Aug. 13, 2007. … Signed by the Orioles as a free agent on Jan. 8. … Married to Megan. … Released by Megan.
...and now I'm here
by CapSea on Apr 23, 2009 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
The Baseball Cube is great if you're curious about players' prospect statuses.
Here’s the page for Jeremy Reed:
Prospect Rankings*
2004 – #25 ranked MLB
2004 – #1 ranked for CHW
2005 – #33 ranked MLB
2005 – #2 ranked for SEA
*According to Baseball America
The player cards at The Baseball Cube have Baseball America’s prospect rankings for all the 1990s and 2000s (do we say “The two thousands?” when reference the current decade?). Obviously, Baseball America’s got more details. But yeah.
The general consensus was that we raped the White Sox at the time
It’s still Bill Bavasi’s best trade
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I was delirious with joy when Jeremy Reed was acquired
I still can’t believe that he tanked so hard.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
My excitement for Jeremy Reed was only slightly overshadowed by my excitement for Miguel Olivo
I was completely convinced that Miguel Olivo was going to be the best catcher we’d ever had with decent power and a fucking rocket launcher on his arm. Then he forgot how to hit, and then he forgot how to catch
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Yeah... that minor league season when he hit over .400 had me salivating
I thought he was the next Paul Molitor
I don't thiink there is a single trade we've made since I've been a fan that left me grinning quite as much as that one at the time the trade was consummated
The JJ trade was great, but hot damn- the general consensus was that Freddy Garcia sucked and Ben Davis sucked even more, and we somehow got two brand new BMWs and a used Ford Focus out of it
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But remember when we got Davis?
We were so excited his have this kid who was finally going to replace Wilson. He had a pretty swing, and he was a switch hitter. What was there not to like?
Of course, he sucked. And yet, his replacements were worse.
What was that nickname we had for Wiki I don’t remember it.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
I don't remember anybody being that high on Davis
He was sort of a busted prospect and the Padres had up and comer Wiki Gonzalez coming up who they needed to make room for.
Wiki would have been the real gem of that trade had we landed him
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Lots of people were high on Davis
It’d been a while, but he was the top 10 ‘spect in all of baseball at one point, and was still a young catcher with a ton of potential at the time of the trade. His development stalled a bit, but I don’t think it’s too much to say that he was something of a Jeff Clement-level prospect at the time of the trade (that is, not quite the ’can’t miss’ guy he was in the 90s, but then again, Jeff Clement isn’t exactly a top prospect any more either).
He was hard to roll, too
he kept wriggling out of the paper.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
I was a big Dan Wilson fan at the time and had no desire to ever see him go anyway
So that may have clouded my judgement
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I found a better program than powerpoint,
and am working on a version much more like this:
http://gmapuploader.com/iframe/STFAc1VfrR
eDraw Mind Map
is a great flowcharting program that I actually prefer over Visio. It’s also free, so if you don’t want to deal with the hassle of the MS trial system, it’s the way to go.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
I found "Smartdraw" but it's on a 7-day free trial thing so I'll look into eDraw Mind Map.
I think that I might make the few Stein/Olivo/Lowe updates to this one and leave it be in shitty powerpoint form, and then work on a “How the 2001 team came to be, and what happened to it afterwards” chart, or a “How the 1995 team came to be, and what happened to it” chart. It would be cool to do something like what they did at blazersedge, chart every move made in the 2000’s, but that’s obviously a far larger project for baseball so at the least it’d have to be limited to players who have ML playing time. More likely something like 50+ IP and 150+ PA as cutoffs or something. We’ll see where it takes me.
by Terminator_X on Apr 21, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
It seems like the Mariners have a lot more free agents/draft picks than the Blazers
Especially on the M’s current roster, there seem to be a lot of guys with no strings attached.
I guess this is partly because draft pick aren’t traded in baseball like in basketball, which explains a bunch of the Blazer links. That and Pritchard’s ridiculous draft nights.
I like that Mark Langston trade is still technically giving back.
"Ever tried? Ever failed? No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett http://mvn.com/marinersminors/
I was just about to mention this.
He’s turned into quite the plethora of talent for this organization.
Throw the snacks in the bag and I'm ghost like Swayze!
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997
Not to mention his direct involvement in the M's making the playoffs for the first time
He really ought to be in the Mariner HoF.
I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.
He actually pitched a pretty good game there.
No run support and the freak Sojo hit, can’t pin that on Langston.
Sure I can.
I’m not saying he was solely responsible, but he was the guy that loaded the bases (including hitting Cora), had the errant throw that allowed Sojo to score, and ultimately got tagged with the loss. I would call that direct involvement.
I'm more like I am now than I've ever been.
God... I just looked at his 1987 season with the M's
Amazing.
14 complete games. 272 innings pitched. 262 strike outs.
Also, he won a gold glove in 2005. Haha.
Do you mean 1995?
Or are you not talking about Langston?
by Robert Lintott on Apr 22, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Mark Langston was nowhere near the Mariners in 1995
Did you mean 1985? His ’87 season was far superior to that.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
You mean Sojo hit the ball down the right field line?
When the relay to home got behind Langston in the one-game playoff? Or are you referencing a different event?
I have some memory of an important errant throw
but now I have no idea who threw it, when, or how it helped the M’s. Egad.
Aha... not quite senile yet
This is what I was thinking of:
Luis Sojo followed with a double to right field that rolled under California’s bullpen bench, scoring Blowers, Martinez, and Cora, then Sojo himself scored on Langston’s errant cutoff throw.
Although
it was actually Sojo’s hit that went down the right field line… not sure where Langston’s throw went.
Wasn't he a comp pick for losing Mike Moore or something?
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by PositivePaul on Apr 21, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Not Mike Moore...
They were drafted in the same draft…
But rather Bill Stein — an original Mariner. The gift that keeps on giving…
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by PositivePaul on Apr 21, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
And Langston was the only great thing to come out of the first round that year.
Unless, of course, John Elway counts. Man there were some crappy drafts back in the day.
This is great, thank you
And this better not be so pedantic as to fall into dead meme territory, but Mark Lowe currently appears to read “5th/153th”
RIP Nick Adenhart. You will be missed by baseball fans across all organizations.
Miguel Olivo was also traded to the Padres for Nate Mateo (?) at the trade deadline, not non-tendered
Still, this is awesome
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Miguel Ojeda as well as Mateo it appears.
Good info on Bill Stein too. Any other comp picks in there?
153th was a mega brain fart. Will update this all later.
by Terminator_X on Apr 21, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally forgot about Miguel Ojeda
Good catch
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And with the 9 players we've currently got from him (don't forget Morse)
It’s a good likelihood that his legacy will carry on for quite a while.
by Terminator_X on Apr 21, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice, nice work.
"The dark secret of LL is that it only exists so I can one day moderate Graham" ---Robret
by .Taylor on Apr 21, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions
Joejessica!
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Hell of a job on this
My work monitor sucks so I haven’t had a chance to look at this in detail, but I can’t wait to be at home to give it the full attention it deserves
I want to poop at your house - Thingray
I keep looking at this, and there is no doubt it's awesome (thanks!)
But the one thing that comes to my mind every time I see it is “Fuck you John Halama!” I try to enjoy all the history here, but somehow John freaking Halama keeps crowding it all out.
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