The Hits Keep Coming

by Matthew on Apr 17, 2009 4:46 PM PDT in Around Major League Baseball

MINNEAPOLIS -- Vladimir Guerrero has a torn muscle in his chest and will miss at least a month.

The Angels sent the slugger to Los Angeles on Friday to be examined by noted team orthopedist Dr. Lewis Yocum, who found Guerrero's pectoral tear. An MRI test the day before showed a strain.

Not a great time to be an Angel fan.

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Eep.

What a random place to tear a muscle.

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Apr 17, 2009 4:57 PM PDT reply actions

It's probably a pectoral muscle.

Those can be a real bitch.

by Smegmalicious on Apr 17, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions

It is.

by Matthew on Apr 17, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions

Nice

Last year it was us. Maybe we can get a nice head start in AL West and then choke in August or so. As long as it’s somewhat competetive this year i’m happy.

I am no longer an advocate of elaborate techniques of security analysis in order to find superior value opportunities.
Benjamin Graham -

by ChaseB on Apr 17, 2009 5:03 PM PDT reply actions

I don't care who they play for, there's nothing 'nice' about a player suffering a non-minor injury.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 17, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions

It's hard to feel too bad for guys making that kind of money.

Unless it’s a major injury, It’s part of the game. You must be in school.

I am no longer an advocate of elaborate techniques of security analysis in order to find superior value opportunities.
Benjamin Graham -

by ChaseB on Apr 17, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions

Way to make totally bullshit assumptions.

I am in school and I work full time. I just happen to have a fucking conscience.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 17, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm not here to argue.

So one last thing. If you want to feel bad for someone getting hurt, why don’t you go feel bad for someone who got injured and can’t pay his mortgage. There is alot of people out there like that.

A true bullshit assumption indeed.

I am no longer an advocate of elaborate techniques of security analysis in order to find superior value opportunities.
Benjamin Graham -

by ChaseB on Apr 17, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions

Nice strawman.

Amazingly I am capable of feeling bad for more than one person at a time.

Take your ad hominems elsewhere.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 17, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions

What a strange set of assumptions.

How about not reveling in the injuries of opposing teammates because it’s bad sportsmanship?

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Apr 17, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions

Or because they're human beings?

Did you cheer when Nick Adenhart died too?

by Vatinius on Apr 17, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions

Apparently now that I'm out of school it's okay for me to do that.

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Apr 17, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions

Oh boy.

Yes, I cheered. I diddn’t think that was a serious enough injury to feel bad for.

I am no longer an advocate of elaborate techniques of security analysis in order to find superior value opportunities.
Benjamin Graham -

by ChaseB on Apr 17, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions

I would stop now if I were you.

You are digging yourself a hole.

by Fin on Apr 17, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions

Or you could take the time to read what I say.

I guess some people don’t take death as a serious injury. I feel like i’m trying to explain this to a monkey. No, I do not wish for the Angels plane to crash. Yes, I would love it if Jared Weaver was injured for the next couple of months. whew!

I am no longer an advocate of elaborate techniques of security analysis in order to find superior value opportunities.
Benjamin Graham -

by ChaseB on Apr 17, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions

I guess it doesn't occur to you why it just comes off as bad form to write this.

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Apr 17, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions

Basically what you're saying is:

The number of wins that the Mariners get this year is more important to you than the the health of 75 human beings, as long as their injuries only prevent them from working for a couple months rather than killing them.

Yeah. That’s reasonable.

by Vatinius on Apr 17, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions

You nailed it on head.

Problem solved.

I am no longer an advocate of elaborate techniques of security analysis in order to find superior value opportunities.
Benjamin Graham -

by ChaseB on Apr 17, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions

re: "I feel like i’m trying to explain this to a monkey."

I already asked you to cut out statements of this nature. Show more civility in your writing.

by Matthew on Apr 17, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions

Or we will fling feces at you.

by waldo rojas on Apr 17, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions

Please show more civility in your writing.

I am no longer an advocate of elaborate techniques of security analysis in order to find superior value opportunities.
Benjamin Graham -

by ChaseB on Apr 17, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions

The fact that people like you aren't allowed to get away with this kind of bullshit for long

is why LL is so much better than the rest of the internet.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 17, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Amen

by Ezzra on Apr 18, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions

This is amazing.

by Teej on Apr 17, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions

Your third sentence is 100% unneeded.

Don’t write juvenile stuff of that ilk again.

by Matthew on Apr 17, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions

Do you need to be in school to have a sense of conscience?

That’s an absurd remark.

by Ezzra on Apr 17, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions

I applaud your niceness but I have a whole list of platers I'd cheer a career ending injury for

by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs

This typo is fantastic.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 18, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions

This was a fairly innocuous statement.

“Nice”

Not tap-dancing on anyone’s grave or a request for directions to making a Chone Figgins voodoo doll.

I think some comments are better off ignored and don’t really need 20+ replies piling on that everyone else subsequently has to ‘z’ through.

by hcoguy on Apr 17, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions

Well to be fair.

The first comment wasn’t a big deal. It was said author’s response to the second comment that caused the subthread to blow up.

by ThundaPC on Apr 17, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions

I think that cheering the injury of other teams' players is pretty classless and the rest of the subthread didn't do much to change my opinion,

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 17, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions

How was that first comment cheering?

Being content or happy with the result of something happening =/= cheering.

Not saying he’s not a moron, but he seemed to be jumped on for something pretty tame at first.

by hcoguy on Apr 17, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions

Being happy about another player's injury strikes me as poor sportsmanship.

by Aaron Campeau on Apr 17, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm OK with being happy that Vlad can't play against us

I don’t care if he’s hurt or not, this helped us, so that makes me happy.

I certainly don’t wish injury on any player, but I’m going to be happy for us when an injury to a competitor helps us.

by seattlebruin on Apr 17, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions

Well, Matthew did file it under "Good News"

Objectively, I suppose it is. Karmically? Who knows. That’s up to the cosmos.

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Apr 17, 2009 5:10 PM PDT reply actions

Reply fail.

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Apr 17, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions

Good news for the Mariners and actively hoping players on rival teams get hurt are two completely different things

by seattlebruin on Apr 17, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions

Yeah, I understand the difference.

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Apr 17, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions

I know

should have responded to Napoleon Dynamite above instead of you, ’zoh well

by seattlebruin on Apr 17, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm looking forward to seeing if they can luck their way out of this one.

by ThundaPC on Apr 17, 2009 5:16 PM PDT reply actions

Well there were plenty of Angel TM pussy hits last night. They are going to need even more of them now.

How does this affect their epic bad outfield defence? I assume this helps?

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Apr 17, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions

Yeah, it probably helps.

They ought to shift Abreu to DH now and throw a real OF out in the corner.

by Matthew on Apr 17, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions

Willits or Rivera

are the most likely to take the spot I would think.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Apr 17, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions

This is a shitty, painful, slow healing injury.

I’ll take the way over on the month.

Let's not suck!

by Big Jared on Apr 17, 2009 5:28 PM PDT reply actions

Yeah, I'd say 6-8 weeks is a better estimate.

by Matthew on Apr 17, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions

Any idea how a tear like this happens during a baseball player's routine?

Swinging a bat, perhaps? Seems like something I could see happening in the weight room, too.

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Apr 17, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions

Probably a bad swing

To seriously tear a pec lifting you have to be going at in a pretty extreme fashion or using really sloppy technique or have some sort of accident.. It’s not an uncommon injury for bodybuilders/powerlifters who go balls to the wall with weights as a matter of their business.
Vlad has never struck me a big weight room disciple and baseball players typically don’t train in ballistic fashion during the season.

Let's not suck!

by Big Jared on Apr 17, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions

Knowing Vlad's swings, it was definitely that

The way he manipulates his body to make some of the swings he does, and the violence in which he actually swings, both play a huge factor in this injury.

I expect him to be out for a while, particularly because his approach to the plate will be stunted for a rather considerable amount of time. Of course, Vlad is a monster who thinks batting gloves are for sissies, so he’ll probably be willing to swing through the pain sooner than most.

6-8 weeks is a fair estimate.

by cwel87 on Apr 18, 2009 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions

Happy 2 year anniversy of Felix going down!

by Robert on Apr 17, 2009 5:58 PM PDT reply actions

What? The Twins game?

That was only two years ago? Shhhhhhhhhhhhhittttt….

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Apr 17, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions

The T-Bird tavern on 15th NW was a solemn place that evening.

by waldo rojas on Apr 17, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions

The knife cruise across the Robert's Wrist Straights has never been more busy.

by Robert on Apr 17, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions

You're a disturbing individual.

Throw the snacks in the bag and I'm ghost like Swayze!
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997

by JLProck on Apr 17, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions

In other good news

the Angels and Rangers both are currently trailing. Oakland is tied with the Blue Jays.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Apr 17, 2009 6:06 PM PDT reply actions

And we still have the sucky Texas bullpen to come

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Apr 17, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions

Weird sight to see everyone struggling to get to .500.

While we need to lose 4 straight to do the same.

by ThundaPC on Apr 17, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions

So we will be .500 by Tuesday.

I’m still a hopeless pessimist.

by marinerdan on Apr 17, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions

Wheeeeeeeeee!

This is the part where the coaster goes down. But this one’s not coming up for a while.

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Apr 17, 2009 6:07 PM PDT reply actions

The Angels will luck their way to 120 wins for sure.

by Fin on Apr 17, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions

And Moseley left the game due to elbow injury!

angels fan in seattle

by Eyebrows on Apr 17, 2009 8:00 PM PDT reply actions

The worst thing is that with the Angels luck

they’ll finish with the worst record this year and Washington will draft and not sign Stephen Strasburg

by seattlebruin on Apr 17, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions

I predict that people will overstate the impact of this injury

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 17, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions

If the Angels play this smartly and shift Abreu to DH

This might be what, only a half win downgrade over two months? Maybe less.

by Matthew on Apr 17, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions

They better use Willits

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 17, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm waiting for them to just call up Brandon Wood and play him at DH or something.

by Matthew on Apr 17, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions

He probably won't set the MLB K record unless her gets at least 3 months of playing time

by Graham MacAree on Apr 17, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions

No way, that's Mark's record goddamnit.

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on Apr 18, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions

Wouldn't Willits only be valualbe if he is in center?

I don’t see them moving Hunter anytime soon. Thank you Gold Gloves.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on Apr 18, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions

Position doesn't really matter

he’ll be somewhat valuable at any of the three OF positions.

by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 18, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions

He'd be like +20 in a corner spot and +10 in CF

His range is basically the same but he loses 10 runs because CF has a much larger range of territory to protect. But because CF is harder to play by a margin of 10 runs his overall value is the same.

The Angels might be better served by moving Torii to a corner spot and Willits to center, but that doesn’t change Willits’ value as a player.

(I don’t know if those are his actual numbers I’m just throwing them out their to illustrate the positional difference)

by OlSalty on Apr 18, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions

The thing is...

for a player like Willit’s, who’s value is completely tied up in his defense, their is really only a limit of how good he could be defensively at an easier position. If he is +10 in center, than he probably wouldn’t be +20 in a corner spot, because nobody is that good. He may only +15 in a corner, in which he wouldn’t be as valualbe.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on Apr 18, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions