Why I Love the World Baseball Classic
In the last few days, I've seen Chris Snelling hit two home runs in Mexico City as part of an Australian rout. I've seen Phillippe Aumont get himself into the mother of all jams and then make an obscenely good US lineup look silly. I've seen Jose Lopez rip apart Italy, dismissed it as coming against inferior competition, and then saw him beat up Roy Oswalt. And I've seen Felix mix his pitches.
But for all I love seeing once and future Mariners do well, that's not why I find this tournament so compelling. I could see Aumont, Lopez, and Felix playing in Peoria (Doyle might be a little harder to track down, but enh). Not only that, but there are a host of other reasons why I shouldn't like the WBC. It pushes back the start of the season, prolonging the time I'm without my beloved Mariners, and there's a real chance that our players might get injured while on national duty. And while it sucks seeing a player get injured*, it's even worse when they're not even playing for the club that employs them.
But for all the downsides to the World Baseball Classic, I love it. To the fans, it's meaningful baseball. To the players, it's meaningful baseball. There's something on the line, and it shows. Watch a Japan-Korea matchup in the Tokyo Dome. Hell, watch the Mexico-Australia game in Mexico City, or Puerto Rico playing at home. Those guys mean business, and it's the type of attachment we just don't see in 'normal' play; the atmosphere in most of the games has been absolutely phenomenal, especially when the home team's been involved. These games all feel like the postseason, and unlike the postseason it isn't full of teams that I hate. Want to root for the underdog? Australia and the Netherlands are right up your alley. Want to see one of the greatest collections of talent ever assembled? The USA fits the bill. Want a rivalry that puts everything MLB has to offer to absolute shame? Hellooo Japan and Korea.
It's a really rare treat to be able to watch games that can put you at the edge of your seat in March. Today we saw the Dutch, who have Randall Simon as their three-hole hitter, make a decent effort of holding off Puerto Rico (until their somewhat sub-optimal strategy of 'walk everyone, miraculously get out of jam' eventually failed them in the 8th). Who'd have thought that a game that featured Eugene Kingsale could ever be so tense or so compelling? Or that half of LL would start screaming at some random 19 year old Dutch kid to throw strikes to Carlos Beltran with the bases loaded and two down in the 7th? I doubt the Mariners will have me that nervous all season.
These are epic games and epic stories, minnows squeaking past giants and then superpowers battling one another to a standstill. Because of the fickleness of baseball, most teams competing in the tournament are in with a shout, and that means that both the players and the fans are beyond excited. If you haven't tuned into a game yet, do yourself a favour and try it. You don't even need a rooting interest for this tournament to be fun.
And if the storylines and drama aren't enough for you, I have one last argument: 3 years ago, the World Baseball Classic made Ichiro smile, and the man deserves to be happy every once in a while. Thank god for baseball.
*Unless they are annoying.
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I wish this were Facebook
so I could click the little “Like” button and a thumbs-up would appears. I’ll settle for a rec.
by appleshampoo on Mar 9, 2009 11:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I so desperately wish
SBN had an edit function. Because I’m the most anal fucking retentive person I know when it comes to grammar, and little chicken-shit stuff like “would appears” bugs the shit out of me, and I can’t fix it when it’s my own comment :-(
by appleshampoo on Mar 9, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SBN really does need an comment editing function.
by Fin on Mar 9, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's on our list
It helps if the hitter thinks you're a little crazy. - Nolan
by Trei Brundrett on Mar 10, 2009 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This would destroy Lookout Landing
by seattlebruin on Mar 10, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would use it to post photoshops
and then edit it later into a comment that said “LOLOLOLOL” after I got a bunch of recs. Just because.
by Vatinius on Mar 10, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the best solution would be for SBN to implement
a 5 minute limit on editing a post. Like Digg.
by redwolf75 on Mar 10, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the way I feel about the World Cup.
And the WBC is the equivalent to that event. I hope someday the WBC is able to become as big as the World Cup. It’s off to a good start, but we may never see it’s full potential, unfortunately. The way it is now, though, these games get me excited for the season to begin. These games are meaningful to these players and that is a wonderful difference compared to the mostly mundane Spring training.
by Wilder. on Mar 9, 2009 11:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think having more competitive countries would help
Although it’s great that the Netherlands, Italy and Australia won, it would be nice if there weren’t 7 or 8 teams (Panama, China, Taiwan, Netherlands, Italy, South Africa, Australia, arguably Canada) who had little to no chance to win. Hopefully the span of baseball improves to where the main talent isn’t centralized in the US, Japan, Korea, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Cuba and Puerto Rico. It’s not even fair in a game with South Africa, who has no real MLB talent, or Panama, who has Carlos Lee and Manuel Corpas (Bruce Chen sucks and thus doesn’t count) and nothing else.
by Mariner John on Mar 9, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the best things about baseball, though, is that having a better team on paper doesn't guarantee a win
Sure, the odds are heavily stacked in favour of the powerhouses, but we’ve seen some surprisingly competitive games, and that’s been a lot of fun.
by Graham on Mar 9, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
That’s come true this year. However, it would be nice if the European, Oceania and African countries actually had ML level talent that would make their games more obviously competitive. Hopefully the tournament spreads baseball around. I know it’s fairly popular in the Netherlands and that they have a decent pro league.
by Mariner John on Mar 9, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't really have a decent pro league
Greg Halman was MVP there before he was signed by the M’s, which gives an indication as to the level of talent. I don’t think it’s likely that the other countries will ever pick up real talent, either. There’ll be some MLB calibre guys but baseball just won’t catch on enough in those parts to produce a roster that isn’t mostly comprised of scrubs.
by Graham on Mar 9, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, more decent than any other non-American/Asian league.
Maybe the awesome name sways me more than anything.
by Mariner John on Mar 9, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
as much fun as it has been with the upsets it would be nice if I didn’t have to grimace through half hour innings where kids who can’t hit the broad side of a barn try to throw strikes to patient MLBers.
You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.
by bluemax on Mar 10, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The WBC is kinda like the World Cup if you cover one eye, squint real hard, and then stab the other eye with a spork.
by Matthew on Mar 9, 2009 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have yet to see any fake injuries or flailing attempts to draw fouls too.
by Sec 108 on Mar 10, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No fake injuries?
Look at the ranks of people who didn’t bother participating.
by Matthew on Mar 10, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally disagree with this
but I understand why: your team is highly unlikely to play meaningful baseball this season, so it’s fun and not nerve-wracking to see your players out on the field. It’s cool to see them playing meaningful intense games. All I see is the potential injuries to the 14 or so Mets playing in the WBC.
God, even an injury to Alex Cora could hurt the Mets, even slightly. And it’s making ST even more stupid because we have lots of horrifyingly bad players playing these games that even I haven’t heard of.
The WBC really should happen in November or something. I like November. Then if there is an injury that doesn’t involve the knee or the elbow or shoulder, the guy can probably recover in time to play most of the season.
But if my team was for example the Padres, or the Mariners, I would be perfectly cool with it. What, Ichiro gets hurt? It would suck, but he’s not likely going to be the difference between the playoffs and playing golf early.
This is also how I feel whenever Fernando Torres gets a fricken hamstring pull in a stupid meaningless friendly.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Mar 9, 2009 11:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the back-handed compliments!
Also, you’re massively wrong.
by Matthew on Mar 9, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way I see it, players are going to get injured in Spring Training anyway.
There are fluky injuries and they happen every year. I don’t buy the argument that the WBC contributes significantly to the fluky chances.
If the WBC were played in November it could only be played in extremely warm weather sites and/or indoor stadiums. I don’t think the MLB has the Metrodome as one of the sites they want to show off as a venue in the WBC.
by Two Rs and Two Ls on Mar 9, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, to be fair.
Don’t they only play in Southern California or Florida anyway? I bet next WBC, they will probably play in Arizona, Houston, or Atlanta later on. I personally like the idea of playing in November, but I understand that playing in March gives players a longer winter break.
What I would like them to do is maybe playing a game in Australia, South Africa, or Italy, where the weather could be decent for baseball in March or Early April. I don’t think they should keep having the semi-finals and the finals in the US every time, they should try having the finals in Japan or Korea.
by Fin on Mar 10, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto
I think it should be in one of those countries also, as it might help them win more. Although I’m not sure what sort of capacity their stadiums have. Judging by the Netherlands’s biggest stadium I’d say not much for specifically baseball.
by Mariner John on Mar 10, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am no soccer fan
but couldn’t they convert a soccer stadium for baseball?
by Fin on Mar 10, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not very successfully, no
Soccer is played on a rectangular pitch, and European stadia are not designed with a whole lot of free space behind the edges of the pitch so there’s no real room for the home plate area or an outfield.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Mar 10, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The chances the Mariners have for next season
are all over the place. Maybe my comment made more sense with last season’s Mariners. The golden horse-shoe shoved up the butt of the Angels is bound to fall out eventually.
But the Mariners have still been projected by Pecota to finish 70-92.
Last thing, I read this blog because your all mighty Jeff is a personal friend of mine. I wasn’t trolling, but I can understand how my post could have annoyed you all.
But man, you guys really need to take a chill pill. You’re more defensive than Mets fans. And that’s saying something after the last two years.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Mar 10, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
For whatever it's worth I knew what you meant
but then I know that tact isn’t necessary a strong suit of yours.
by Jeff on Mar 10, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that the Mariners are projected to not finish well has nothing to do with how much fun the WBC is.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Mar 10, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has something to do with how less terrifying it is
Or it would if we were legitimately hopeless, anyway.
by Jeff on Mar 10, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it has everything to do with my contention that it is too nerve-wracking for me to enjoy
Pretend the Mariners are the best team in baseball. Last season they fell in 7 games in the World Series, and this year the team is even better. You watch at least 4 of your regular starting 9, and two of your starting pitchers head off to this WBC: the timing is even worse, because not all your starters are starters for their countries, so they man the bench, losing valuable preparation time during spring training.
They’re also playing a tournament in which from what I can tell, the players are trying their best to win it and going balls to the wall. Unfortunately they are not in game shape yet, so it makes potential injuries more likely. Trying your hardest to win+out of shape = pain.
The pitchers aren’t on a proper schedule to be ready for the season. Some starters only go one inning when by now they would be going 3-4 innings by now in ST. They’re not getting properly ready.
I would be OK with this if the tourney was held in November. For the most part, all these games are taking place in warm weather cities anyways.
Plus there is not that much going on November sports-wise, American football and hockey, but not that much during the week that has everyone’s attention.
The WBC is going head to head with March Madness which is a competition that WBC is losing.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Mar 10, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PECOTA doesn't understand defense
it’s projections are not to be taken seriously.
by JI on Mar 10, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was me 5 1/2 beers deep
Now six beers deep, but heading to bed.
But anyway, what I was trying to say is that we have an outside chance to win the division. Not a great chance, but it’s there if things break our way. If any of these players were to theoretically get hurt in the WBC, our chances get significantly worse or pretty much disappear:
Felix Hernandez
Ichiro
Jose Lopez
Endy getting hurt would make us worse but we’d get by. Kenji or Carlos getting hurt might actually make us better. But anyway. While I appreciate that the Mets have a larger number of MLB caliber players in the WBC (and I’m taking that for granted since I’m not actually going to look it up), we have stake in it too.
by appleshampoo on Mar 10, 2009 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Its not like we go over to your blog and mention how your team won’t make the playoffs because they have fucked up two Septembers in a row, and lost the 2006 NLCS to an 83 win team.
by Fin on Mar 10, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 12 recs
In all fairness
The Cardinals had the fifth best record in the league
by JI on Mar 10, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes a kind of stupid sense, like a slow, drawn-out September collapse.
On the other hand, I will fucking kill you

by lemonverbena on Mar 10, 2009 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Our best pitcher homered off your best pitcher
by katal on Mar 10, 2009 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Grand Slam, I would add.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Mar 10, 2009 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
With his eyes closed
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Mar 10, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Opposite field, as well
Why would I watch Transformers when I can play with them at my house?
by Taylor H on Mar 10, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So there. Now, get the fuck out. :)
Wait, aren’t we supposed to be nicer lately?
You're trying to kidnap what I've rightfully stolen.
by Sentinel on Mar 10, 2009 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was entirely polite. And you included a smiley.
How much nicer can we possibly be?
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Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Mar 10, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't every Liverpool game a meaningless friendly?
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Mar 10, 2009 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Carlos Beltran has a face full of vaginas
by OlSalty on Mar 10, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The responses to this comment seem like an overreaction
by Graham on Mar 10, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was under the assumption that he's a friend of LL and the responses were in a joking manner
by Teej on Mar 10, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny:
’Isn’t every Liverpool game a meaningless friendly?’
‘Carlos Beltran has a face full of vaginas’
etc.
Not funny:
‘Fuck off’
‘Go give Mike Piazza a facial bitch’
by Graham on Mar 10, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playing devil's advocate, appleshampoo came back later and made a reasonable response to the comment
by seattlebruin on Mar 10, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is fair enough
I’m just trying to point out that there’s a line here, especially for those not familiar with the dynamic
by Graham on Mar 10, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Matthew set the tone with his comment, even though he didn't necessarily cross the line.
Most people will take the mods’ opinions and magnify them because they think it is acceptable. This is why you guys set the tone for this site (of which you do a good job).
I thought the responses were rash as well considering the person put forth a good effort and reasons why he or she felt different about the WBC. Yeah, the person is a bit naive about the state of the Mariners, but he was just trying to relate to us in our terms, even though he didn’t need to.
by Wilder. on Mar 10, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just found his tone somewhat condescending
“Oh, you’re fans of a crappy team so you should really like the WBC. Us fans of good teams have better things to worry about”. I kinda resent that.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Mar 10, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is him being naive.
And looking back over the last five seasons, he does have a fair point. We’ve grown to love our players, but the team overall hasn’t been all that good.
But then again, the Mets have by far been the bigger disappointment, so I don’t take his outlook on the Mariners too seriously.
by Wilder. on Mar 10, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not at all concerned with how he views the Mariners. I could care less what he thinks about the M's.
I’m annoyed with the tone he took in dismissing the WBC as only meaningful for fans of bad teams.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Mar 10, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, that opinion may not be far off from the majority opinion.
My only qualm with his tone is that he thinks fans of bad teams are not concerned with injuries. I don’t want to see Felix be overused or push himself too far to cause an injury. And even then I am not giving credit to Felix for knowing his limits, which I think he does. That concern is always there, though, no matter how competitive our team is expected to be.
But I don’t think his opinion warranted the response he got. People got offended too easily on this one.
by Wilder. on Mar 10, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The implication wasn't so much that we fans of bad teams are not concerned with injuries,
but rather that injuries don’t matter for bad teams because they will suck anyway. That completely ignores the point of fandom.
by abender20 on Mar 10, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the tone really pissed me off.
Hence my initial response.
by appleshampoo on Mar 10, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair point.
I didn’t see the Piazza one down below. Yikes.
by Teej on Mar 10, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dick comment gets dick responses.
The Mike Piazza one was stupid, though.
by Matthew on Mar 10, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot Alex Liddi's heroics vs. Canada
Go fringe prospects.
by Mariner John on Mar 9, 2009 11:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The WBC sounds great on paper
but I don’t like pitch counts, the sub-optimal rosters, and how everything is rigged in the USA’s favor. It’s an interesting diversion, but I don’t care who wins so it’s hard to have any interest. If it were the Olympics…
by JI on Mar 9, 2009 11:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't have much interest when the games start
but once they get rolling I get involved. And it’s fun to see players (and a few really awesome players like Yu Darvish and such) you’ve never had a chance to watch before. So while I don’t have much invested in it, I’m glad it happens and if things break right I end up totally immersed.
by acblue on Mar 10, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like seeing Cuba playing against ML talent.
I really am hoping for a U.S./Cuba finals.
by Fin on Mar 10, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where should they play the games?
The finals are ultimately going to favor one of the better teams. Maybe in 2013 they’ll move it to Venezuela or Mexico or Japan or something. The US has the biggest and most prevalent baseball stadiums though
by Mariner John on Mar 10, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
'walk everyone, miraculously get out of jam'
Works for Morrow and Lowe
by Mariner John on Mar 10, 2009 12:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WBC
We get to see some interesting rematches coming up with possibly more on the way depending on the results. I’m definitely more interested in the WBC than I was the last time they did this.
by ThundaPC on Mar 10, 2009 1:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sulbaran
He impressed me. He reminded me of Felix. Not so much his stuff, but his presence on the mound, his attitude.
by Ike Clanton on Mar 10, 2009 7:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Plus, it's improving
The 2006 iteration featured the immortal pairing of Gary Majewski and Brian Schneider. Teams seem to be more lenient with players not named Beltre, and that’s improving the overall quality of play.
I understand why pitch counts annoy some people; they bias the games towards deeper teams and generally make it seem more spring-trainingy. But it hasn’t really taken away from the drama of the games themselves, and it’s been interesting to see how each team deals with the rules.
by marc w on Mar 10, 2009 9:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised that no one has tried to use two or three starting pitchers in a game
like if Venezeula saw they were facing Italy on day one and started Silva, then used Galarraga and Felix back-to-back against the USA instead of having to go to Victor Zambrano, who got absolutely shelled
by seattlebruin on Mar 10, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree with everything Graham has written, and I'd add...
….that as a Nationals fan I’m having SO MUCH FUN watching Adam Dunn play in the WBC. Obviously I’m not stupid enough to think that his performance so far will be representative of how he plays for the Nats over the next two seasons, but damn…how can I not love watching his star shine so brightly after years of being the whipping boy in Cincinnati? If the tournament ended today I suspect he would be named Team USA’s MVP: his awesome batting line is supplemented by some incredible moonshot visuals and — most stunning of all — genuinely good defensive plays, plus he’s a one-man comedy machine in the dugout and during interviews.
I had as many reservations as any other Nats fan (or baseball observer) about adding Dunn to a roster already overflowing with 1B/OF types, but man…if he does anything remotely like this during the regular season then, W/L record be damned, he’s going to bring excitement back to Washington baseball in a way I haven’t seen since Soriano was going 40/40 and having 3HR games for us in 2006.
As far as the M’s are concerned, Aumont’s performance is what excites me the most. And Putz’s fumbling is what makes me exhale with a “glad we dodged that bullet” second-most.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Mar 10, 2009 10:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe Dunn's actually playing, since he hates baseball and America.
by Teej on Mar 10, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The poetic irony of Dunn smacking the living shit out of the ball during the WBC in TORONTO was not lost on me.
Honestly, I think he’s actually making it a point, in his recent public pronouncements, to counteract the bad publicity that Ricciardi’s asshole comment tagged him with.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Mar 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad the Netherlands have resurrected Randall Simon. I really hope they end up playing Italy.

by abender20 on Mar 10, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Still the best moment in Miller Park history
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Juuuust a bit outside!!
http://www.rightfieldbleachers.com
by Jack Moore on Mar 10, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Korea’s parks are too small. MLB quality players will be hitting routine flies into the bleachers.
Korean and Japanese fans routinely cheer the entire game. They are into it a little bit more than what they regularly have.
Asian teams already have a tournament after the season (Konami Cup), so November is out for them as it currently stands…
by brent in Korea on Mar 10, 2009 6:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In the case of a worldwide event every few years, it wouldn't be out of the question to ask them to move the tournament if MLB decides it doesn't like the spring timeline
the problem with fall from my viewpoint is that more players wouldn’t want to play – who would want to go out and put in the work to learn new teammates, new opposing pitchers, etc. right after spending the last eight months doing the exact same thing?
At least in the spring, the players get a chance to rest and heal before the WBC starts.
by seattlebruin on Mar 11, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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