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Two Quick Things

1. Geoff Baker might be the best beat writer in baseball. Just check out his latest article and blog entry. No, he's not quite Tango v2.0, but the man is motivated to learn, and the effort he's put into gaining a better understanding of defensive statistics (and then writing it up for the masses) just blows my mind. Good on you, Geoff.

2. Carlos Silva is a great role model.

"In the bullpen I am so calm so relaxed and do what I want to do. In the game every time I am hit I just want to break the catchers glove. I force everything, like overthrowing. that's the way I was pitching today."
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I wrote after his final outing in the WBC about his tendency to tense up and grip the ball too hard when things start to go wrong for him. He acknowledged that is a problem.

I remember when Felix had attitude problems on the mound. He was 21.

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As the resident MSM apologist, let me be the first to say that I love Geoff.

People can have unreal expectations if they so desire, but Geoff isn’t a sabermetrician, and chances are he never will be. He’s a beat writer whose job it is to cover the daily goings-on of the Seattle Mariners. And as Jeff points out, he has shown a desire to learn and explore new areas. The fact that he’s not a master of something he only recently broached shouldn’t be considered a knock on him. A major aspect of his job is not to be an expert on any one thing, but to to relay information from experts to readers. And the fact that he’s had Dewan quoted in like five articles now shows that he’s doing a pretty fine job.

There are a lot of baseball reporters out there, and I can count on zero hands the number of guys who put in more effort than Baker. There’s a certain brand of laziness/entitlement/arrogance that is known to infect newspaper writers — particularly in sports. I applaud Geoff for being better than that.

by Teej on Mar 29, 2009 1:05 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

Geoff has always been amazing at producing material. He is also great at harboring innovation. Adding Spring Training clips for a couple years now is amazing. Adding the Live! show blows things like Twitter away. And for him to constantly want to learn proper analysis of the game with his press access is far beyond what a lot of other beat writers are doing.

He may not be Tom Tango when it comes to statistical analysis, but he sure as hell knows more about it than me. I applaud everything Geoff does. He is candid and is never afraid to admit a mistake. We are fortunate to have him around.

by Wilder. on Mar 29, 2009 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also,

I think Baker’s story today further proves that despite the criticism he has received from USSM and LL readers (usually in a constructive manner, but sometimes not) has not turned him bitter. He’s obviously reading the blogs to supplement his knowledge and improve his writing, just as we look to him to get the latest information on what the manager’s thinking, what the vibe is in Peoria, etc. As we watch the decline of newspapers, we should be reminded that what Geoff and other good reporters do — studying and relaying information for the betterment of interested people — is not a skill that is confined to print. We will always need people who can put in the effort to make others more informed — just as we will always need people like J/M/G/Dave/DMZ to take that information and analyze it and turn it into something even more informative. There is a certain harmony to this current setup.

Can’t say it much better than Jeff: Good on you, Geoff.

by Teej on Mar 29, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

It would be awesome if Baker bridges the gap between the experts and casual fans.

Sure, I think sometimes his logic may be flawed, but compared to the guys over at ESPN, he isn’t so bad. And like you said, at least he tries. The people over at ESPN are stuck in their ways.

by Fin on Mar 29, 2009 1:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Fantastic article for the Times by Geoff Baker.

This is actually one more reason to be thankful for the change in the Front Office. Now that we have some very intelligent people running the organization Baker will be dealing with these folks on a regular basis and it’s already paying off.

I think part of the disconnect between Baker and most of us here over the past year and a half is that he tried to understand where the old organization was coming from. The general idea is that if they made a move, they must know what they’re doing. Most of it was traditional and outdated. With the new front office, we might be getting back on the same page again.

The effort Geoff Baker puts into his work is off the charts. It actually sucks when he takes time off (he has to, obviously) because coverage is nowhere near the same.

Speaking of Silva:

"It was a bad game. To be honest, and this is what I told (pitching coach Rick Adair) afterwords, I want to do so good, I want to pitch so well and I screwed up everything," Silva said. "He told me ‘the harder you try, the worse you are going to be.’ He’s exactly right." Silva threw 84 pitches. Said manager Don Wakamatsu: "At some point, he has to believe he’s still a good pitcher"

What is this, a super-amped Gil Meche?

by ThundaPC on Mar 29, 2009 3:01 AM PDT reply actions  

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Silva then left the lockerroom, prompting Wakamatsu to later add “Because we sure in the hell don’t.”

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on Mar 29, 2009 3:24 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Great

now we have a 12mm pitcher with bad stuff, a bad approach, no ability to handle pressure, and a tendency to blame anyone but himself for the above (Rob Johnson for fuck’s sake?)

by Bearskin Rugburn on Mar 29, 2009 6:32 AM PDT reply actions  

I was going to complain about this:
That’s seen as great news by Dave Cameron, a co-founder of the U.S.S. Mariner Web site, which provides stats-based analysis for Mariners fans.

Apparently “Web site” is accepted usage, if archaic. But he should have linked USSM. Also the phrase “a co-founder” is redundant.

Personally I think the newspaper of record and others overdo linkage to the point of distraction, but a reference to an actual website deserves the highlight-underline treatment. Particularly when it’s so relevant to the story. Possibly the NY Times has somebody assigned to html duty at their copy desk, while the Seattle Times leaves it up to the author.

I also thought the “Mona Lisa” closing line was lazy and predictable. Aside from that it was well written, and in marked contrast to the “Ichiro is a big meanie” storyline that Baker’s been rightly taken to the woodshed for.

by lemonverbena on Mar 29, 2009 7:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Tough to please, aren't we?

And just how, pray, is co-founder redundant?

There is very little to complain about in this article in terms of substance and if you want to nitpick the prose, well.. this is baseball reporting not Granta.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Mar 29, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

He was talking about "a co-founder"

“A founder” or just “co-founder” says the exact same thing as “a co-founder” but in less words.

by ColeFitz88 on Mar 29, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes but 'Dave Cameron, a co-founder' is more gramatically correct than 'Dave Cameron, cofounder'

Anyway, if you see an article like that and all you have to say is the ‘a’ was redundant yet you are compelled to action by that, it suggests there’s a personal issue involved.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Mar 29, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Carlos Silva makes no sense at all

Genuinely, he has the maturity level of a 15-year old.

Unfortunately for us, the checks the Mariners write to him don’t make too much sense either.

by cwel87 on Mar 29, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Tango reference

I’m lost here. Are you referring to the actual software? The dance?

by Tony S on Mar 29, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Assuming non-sarcasm

the Tango v2.0 comment is in reference to the person (Tom Tango).

by manifestus on Mar 29, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

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