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The Other Half Of The Platoon

There's been a lot of talk so far this spring about who's going to pair up with Russ Branyan at first base. Chris Shelton was considered the favorite for much of the winter, but the signing of Mike Sweeney added a bit of uncertainty to the mix, and while Shelton has tried his hardest to pull away by batting .474 in ST, Sweeney's hit well enough to keep it a competition. At this point, which player's in the lead depends entirely on who you ask. With time winding down in Arizona, the team is still attempting to figure out which first baseman would best fill the available spot.

The answer: it really doesn't matter that much.

If you look at the projections, Shelton stands out as the better hitter. He's not exactly in line to build on his solid 2005, but at 28 years old, he has more left in the tank than the 35 year old Sweeney, whose peak abilities have long since deteriorated. CHONE projects a .335 wOBA for Shelton and a .320 wOBA for Sweeney, and while these are overall projections rather than platoon projections, we shouldn't expect a righty/lefty adjustment to change the gap, since platoon splits regress heavily to the mean. In other words, in a platoon role, we should expect Shelton to maintain the same ~15 point advantage over Sweeney that he has overall.

15 points seems like quite a lot. And it kind of is. 15 points was the difference between Chase Utley and Brian Giles last year. But when you're talking about 15 points over a sample of something like 250-300 plate appearances, then all of a sudden you're only dealing with a difference of three or four runs. Which becomes three or four runs overall, since there doesn't seem to be a significant difference between Shelton and Sweeney's respective abilities to play the field.

Three or four runs. Let's call it 0 < x < 5 runs. Based on available projections, the difference between Chris Shelton and Mike Sweeney in a platoon role with Russ Branyan is somewhere between nothing and half a win. It's something, since a team in our position needs a whole lot of little things to go its way in order to make the year interesting, but it's hardly worth freaking out about if the team doesn't pick the guy you like better.

Personally, I'd prefer Shelton. I imagine the same goes for many of you. He's younger, he has the better bat, and there's a chance that a good season could make him a part of the future. After all, it wasn't that long ago that the Tigers were talking about him as a building block. But if the Mariners do elect to go with Sweeney instead, then it's just not that big of a deal. For one thing, Sweeney's not horrible. For another, he reminds me of Gary from South Park in that he's almost obnoxiously agreeable, and he could be of some benefit to the clubhouse. And finally, if Sweeney doesn't perform, Shelton will still be there in Tacoma just a phone call away. So even if Sweeney gets hurt or is totally finished, we'll have a solution in-house. We won't have to worry about an over-the-hill part-time first baseman tanking our season.

I don't know which way the Mariners are leaning right now. I doubt the players do, either. What I do know is that it's unlikely to make much of a difference either way.

T-minus two weeks and counting until Felix Day '09.

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Shelton has way more upside.

If someone gets hurt Shelton could conceivably be a regular. Plus, he’s more likely to be able to spell Beltre or one of the outfielders, as he is less injury prone and can move laterally.

I know this is obvious, but I really think we should take the best players.

by JI on Mar 23, 2009 9:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Also,

I would take Shelton because he could conceivably fill the emergency 3rd catcher role as well and get rid of any reason to keep Rob Johnson or Jamie Burke on the bench in place of a better hitter.

by Matthew on Mar 23, 2009 9:26 PM PDT reply actions  

With those knees?

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by JLProck on Mar 23, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shelton should be the guy, but it's not worth getting angry over.. Sweeney will

start the year with the team, Shelton will be stored in AAA.. Sweeney will likely get hurt, retire, and Shelton comes up..

Neither player is a long term solution to anything we plan on doing and their production this season will likely be pretty darn close in the RH platoon role

by Rudy4three on Mar 23, 2009 10:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I have irrational love for Mike Sweeney

I’ll admit to it. I’m not really dying to see him make the team over Shelton but if he does I’ll be pulling for him.

by Edgar for Pres on Mar 23, 2009 10:25 PM PDT reply actions  

I have the same for Shelton.

I’m drawn to inexplicably ugly dudes, I guess.

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by JLProck on Mar 23, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was hoping that

There would be a Branyan/Shelton platoon at first, and then a Griffey/Sweeney platoon at DH. It would be the ultimate nostalgic platoon.

But I know why Sweeney is going to get the nod over Shelton, it is because the Mariners want to claim victory in Grass Creek.

by Fin on Mar 23, 2009 10:29 PM PDT reply actions  

My gut tells me this is what happens.

It leaves you with a thin bench as far as position subs, only two catchers and eleven pitchers, but I think we see them both on the 25 man come April 6th.

by Sec 108 on Mar 24, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Shelton doesn't make the 25-man roster, does he go away?

Because if he goes to AAA and just waits for Sweeney’s legs to rust and break off, he should be up in no time anyway.

by Teej on Mar 23, 2009 11:37 PM PDT reply actions  

He's played in AAA for the last few years

It stands to reason that he’d go back unless someone offered him a major league deal.

by Mariner John on Mar 23, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Woohoo!

Carp/Shelton at 1B, Mike Wilson/Prentice Redman/Mike Saunders OF, Adam Moore + one of Johnson/Clement at C, decent rotation, an improving Tui at 3b…. now if only they had a middle infield, they’d really have a damn good team.

by marc w on Mar 24, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't say I'd be disappointed with either choice.

But whoever is left off of the roster, I will feel sorry for him. Mike Sweeney sounds like he is having a positive influence on other players, and that can be a big boost in the dugout during games.

by Wilder. on Mar 24, 2009 12:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Difference between Wlad and Chavez in Left

Hey Jeff,

I know you’ve done this before, but can you talk about the difference between having Wlad as our primary left fielder over Chavez? Given Wlad’s hot spring I’m hoping he finally has turned the corner and was wondering if that would be enough to offset the defensive upgrade Chavez brings to left field?

Thanks,
Mike

by SvHoopsStar5 on Mar 24, 2009 7:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Giving each of them 700 PAs

the difference in the field between Endy and Wlad is somewhere around 25-30 runs. In order to make that up, Wlad would have to post a wOBA in the .350 range. That would require a line similar to Alex Rios’ .291/.337/.461.

It’s possible, but until Wlad actually starts to prove he can handle Major League pitching, I’m comfortable giving the bulk of the time to Endy and letting Wlad face lefties.

by Jeff Sullivan on Mar 24, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

So, when I said this deserved a longer post

I meant on USSM.

But, at least we’re back to stealing each others ideas. That’s fun.

by davidcameron on Mar 24, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions  

BLOG WAR!

All right, guys. Let’s flesh out the ground rules.

First off, quick wits and sharp tongues are the only weapons allowed. Second, faces are an approved stiking area. Nobody here is pretty enough to be on TV. Third… uh. That’s it.

GET IT ON!

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by JLProck on Mar 24, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Striking area, even. Damn.

Throw the snacks in the bag and I'm ghost like Swayze!
Preserved In All His Greatness - R.I.P. The Reignman 1989 to 1997

by JLProck on Mar 24, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

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