If people sitting behind me think a team gets four outs each inning and pitchers balk by pointing at third base, that’s cool with me. If they enjoy themselves despite being misinformed, good for them. Better them behind me than a drunk drooling beer on my kid (which did happen at a spring training game).

I’m more puzzled by those who really, truly, firmly believe the most off-the-wall shit and say it with tons of conviction. That’s a very different breed, and they can be somewhat entertaining in the right circumstances.
I saw a guy cite a bunch of reasons why Felix Hernandez ‘sucks’ and wasn’t going to amount to anything (this was in in AAA), and two guys having a lengthy conversation on pitcher velocity. We were watching Renee Cortez, and the two guys tried to guess how fast he was throwing (which was probably around 95). They settled on about 86, because, “I don’t care what else you can do, if you can throw 90, you’re in the big leagues.” Since they were in Tacoma, nobody could throw 90. I guess it follows logically from their central premise, but I still have no idea where that premise came from. They clearly believed in it, and weren’t the sorts of non-baseball fans that you’re talking about. So where does this type of fan come from? Is it difficult to stay aggressively misguided in this day and age, or is it as easy as it’s always been? Does it help make sense of the game in some way?

I’ll readily admit I have no idea about what is really going on at a soccer game, and I don’t know which strategies are good and which are bad, but I still enjoy it a lot. I know there are some complex strategies at work under the surface but I don’t really care to figure them out like I do with baseball.

I am personally new to the Sabermetrics world but enjoy learning a new stat everytime I check out LL. I always hated the people who don’t know about the basics of the game. The “third plate” kinds of fans. I think most of you would label me as an idiot fan because I hate Ichiro and loved Willie but for purely interpersonal reasons. Went to Everretts hitting camp when Willie was with the Aquasox and had the privilage of being a checker for Ichiro one too many times at Safeway. But anyway if anyone has any suggested reading let me know I’d like to be informed.

But he did, they always have the new guy babysit him to make sure he’s finging everything and doesn’t need help carrying stuff out. I assume he doesn’t shop there anymore considering he moved but when he did he came in at midnight to avoid attention. Fin he has all his credit cards and stuff under a different name, he paid with credit the 3 or 4 times I was checking for him. I heard (because I am in college 1500 miles away now) that he started comming in earlier at about 5 or 6 right before he moved. A lot of Mariners shop at the Issaquah safeway, I assume they like the customer service. I’ll ask my sister who still works there if Ichiro still comes in.