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2009 NCAA Tournament Day 2 Open Thread

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Welcome to Day 2 of the Madness!

Some fantastic games last night, lucky escapes by certain higher seeds. Hope today is just as good. Should be some interesting stuff, not too many 1 and 2 seeds playing today.

If the morning games are any indication...


Sorry for not having any deep thoughts today, I'm just trying to get to the limit so we can have a discussion thread

(8) Tennessee vs. (9) Oklahoma State

(6) Marquette vs. (11) Utah State

(3) Syracuse vs. (14) Stephen F. Austin

(3) Kansas vs. (14) North Dakota State

(6) Arizona State vs. (11) Temple

(1) Pittsburgh vs. (16) East Tennessee State

(3) Missouri vs. (14) Cornell

(6) West Virginia vs. (11) Dayton

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Another good start for me

3-3 on the day.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn you, Tennessee.

Why would I watch Transformers when I can play with them at my house?

by Taylor H on Mar 20, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Uh, no it wasn't.

Guess I need the damn HQ player….

by marc w on Mar 20, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hell of a shot to end that one by Utah St.

Didn’t matter, but still…

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Mar 20, 2009 11:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And my bracket goes up in flames.

I had Utah St. and North Dakota St. in the Sweet 16.

Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?

by Benne on Mar 20, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The best thing about the NCAA tourney is that you don't have to know jack shit about basketball to succeed as long as you follow these rules:

1-4s never get upset in the first round
5s & 6s rarely get upset in the first round
7-10 seed first round games are a tossup
1s and 2s almost never lose to teams seeded lower than 3
The final four is almost always made of 1s and 2s

by JI on Mar 20, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wikipedia actually lists

the percentage of times each upset has occurred in the first round.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet. I'm still 17/20.

Why would I watch Transformers when I can play with them at my house?

by Taylor H on Mar 20, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Upset watch WVU

Didn’t a lot of you guys have them going far?

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 12:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

E8 here

primarily based on weakness of draw than strength of team

by seattlebruin on Mar 20, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, but if Mizzou loses as well it wouldn't matter

Don’t think too many had Cornell or Dayton in the sweet 16….

by marc w on Mar 20, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True enough

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cornell is a terrible matchup for Missouri

you beat big athletic running teams by out disciplining them and using their defensive aggressiveness against them, and that’s exactly what Cornell will try to do to them.

They won’t win, but it should be an interesting game

by seattlebruin on Mar 20, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still, I think a lot of teams that rely on discipline as opposed to talent

can get really frustrated by a well-executed press. A pressing team can blow a lot of Princeton/Cornell-type teams out of the water early, whereas looser teams that like to run can find holes and score quickly.

by marc w on Mar 20, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But on the other hand if you let a team like that stay in the game and figure out how to get the ball up the court

the pressure moves to the running team in the second half and they have to execute a fluid offense, whereas the little guy has no pressure and a designed offense to attack an aggressive defense with

by seattlebruin on Mar 20, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am conflicted on whether I am supposed to be rooting for Cornell or not.

Am I supposed to support my conference or root against a rival?

by Matthew on Mar 20, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Always root against a rival

if not for my bracket, I’d be rooting my ass off for Boston College tonight

by seattlebruin on Mar 20, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I figured.

Then again, Cornell is a “rival” in the sense that Canada is a rival to the US in sports that aren’t hockey.

by Matthew on Mar 20, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true

who is your big rival anyway? For me, I only actively root against usc and Berkeley at this point

by seattlebruin on Mar 20, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, I don't know.

I’d root for a rival if we’re talking smaller conference because it’s nice to get your league some respect.

Of course, it’s not like the Ivy league is in dire need of recognition so that might change things.

by acblue on Mar 20, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They revoke your degree at USC

if you ever root for the bruins. Even when I pick the bruins to win I still root against them.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no, I'm not rooting for them, no way in hell

I’m simply not actively rooting against them

by seattlebruin on Mar 20, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish SSD were here

because I’m actually not sure whether or not he would make fun of Derek Glasser or defend him WFB style

by seattlebruin on Mar 20, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His bullshit tough guy/soccer flop artist thing

That he pulled against UW in the Pac-10 tourney really pissed me off. Maybe a more apt description would be the Brian Russel of College Basketball.

by TheBishop on Mar 20, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

God those were terrible

Even the multiple non-basketball fans in the office at the time were facepalming on those jokes

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Mar 20, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pipeline Porter is pretty good stuff.

I really want to try their Kona Coffee Imperial Stout.

by acblue on Mar 20, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's pretty good, and I say this as someone who doesn't like coffee.

It’s a very solid brewer, overall. I don’t like everything they do (the pale ale is bad, at least to me), but they make a number of very solid beers.

I’m still pissed Cheney Stadium stopped selling longboard.

by marc w on Mar 20, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it available anywhere around here?

I’ve never seen it. I would imagine you can get it in Hawaii and my mom and sister are going there next week so I might see if they can pick some up for me.

by acblue on Mar 20, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It makes me sad that so many good beers are easy to find in the PNW and hard to find in CA

and vice versa. For example, every BevMo in a 100 mile radius from me that I’ve been to has essentially Kona’s full line

by seattlebruin on Mar 20, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah it's pretty weird.

I understand it with brewers like Russian River or Alesmith in CA or Ninkasi or Iron Horse in the PNW but it still blows. I’m planning on buying a suitcase full of Speedway Stout when I’m in CA.

by acblue on Mar 20, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate Washington's Liquor Laws because we can't have stores like BevMo.

Bottleworks (as awesome as it is) could never afford to stock all the stuff BevMo does.

by acblue on Mar 20, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely.

Bog Fish Head and Coney Island are pretty much the only east coast beers you can find around here (save Ommegang and Unibroue which is kind of a different thing.)

by acblue on Mar 20, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Southern Tier.

(Oh my god Choklat)

by Matthew on Mar 20, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah I forgot about Southern Tier being East Coast.

Choklat is amazing of course. What do you think of Gemini?

by acblue on Mar 20, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I'm forgetting all sorts of shit.

It’s funny because Victory is one of my favorite brewers.

by acblue on Mar 20, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I miss Magic Hat.

Especially Blind Faith and #9.

by Jed MC on Mar 20, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how much I'd like it now,

but I used to drink a lot of #9 when I lived in Philly.

by Matthew on Mar 20, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me either - my choices in beer have certainly changed

over the last 5 years. It was a good “hanging out by the river in the summer” beer. I mostly drank it in Vermont and the choices were Magic Hat, Harpoon, or mass produced piss in a bottle.

by Jed MC on Mar 20, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They had a few varieties at Winco for a while, but I haven't checked in a few weeks.

I think it was the Porter, the Pale Ale, and something else I can’t remember right now.

by Jed MC on Mar 20, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, my local supermarket carries a few varieties

Kona brewing has amazing distro for Longboard, Firerock and a few others. But if you want the coffee imperial stout, their steam beer (OK, I didn’t even know they did this) or their blonde ale, etc., it’s pretty hard to find.

(My local supermarket has a very crappy beer selection, so it’s noticeable that they carry a few Kona beers).

by marc w on Mar 20, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Naturally.

Kona’s a good brewery.

by Matthew on Mar 20, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohhhhhhhh

gotta know where you are on the court!

by seattlebruin on Mar 20, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If this guy doesn't say

“Christmas only comes once a year” before the end of the broadcast I will be so disappointed.

by JI on Mar 20, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If I had 20-something pick in the draft this year

I’d take Dionte Christmas in a heartbeat. And then petition ABC to get on the Christmas day doubleheader

by seattlebruin on Mar 20, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Word.

I want to see history made.

Why would I watch Transformers when I can play with them at my house?

by Taylor H on Mar 20, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not that I know anything about basketball

but it seems giving Pitt wide open threes is a poor idea.

by JI on Mar 20, 2009 1:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe DeJuan Blair will have a freak injury.

Why would I watch Transformers when I can play with them at my house?

by Taylor H on Mar 20, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW

WOW WOW WOW

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Mar 20, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Mar 20, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ETSU is crazy on D

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Mar 20, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

BASKETBALL

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Mar 20, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AND IT IS ENTERTAINING

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Mar 20, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

(16) East Tennessee is trailing (1) Pitt by just 5

Have been as close as 2, and there is 3 minutes left and ETSU show no signs of stopping

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Mar 20, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WVU seems done.

Ruoff is gone.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh no wait

announcers confused me.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now he's out

on a ticky tac call.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That 3 by Pitt was vicious

I want to poop at your house - Thingray

by tootthekazoo on Mar 20, 2009 2:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WVU down 7 under a minute to go

This looks like it is just about over.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 2:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bye bye WVU!

Make it easy for them Spartans!

by cwel87 on Mar 20, 2009 2:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Spartans are losing in the next round to USC.

Also Jerry West’s kid!

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm suddenly grateful I don't follow college basketball

because everyone around my cubicle is complaining about how their brackets have been destroyed today.

by BrianL on Mar 20, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in good shape still

no one who lost was a team I had going far.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still in reasonably good shape

My only peril is in the West region, if Missouri or Memphis lose I’m hosed but otherwise I’m good so far.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Mar 20, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Griffey hit a homer.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

that's gonna ruin my bracket

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Mar 20, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Arizona off to the quick start

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One of the better 12 seeds in recent memory

in terms of talent. Not in terms of consistency/coaching/etc.

What was the Vegas line on this game I wonder?

by marc w on Mar 20, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only way those Sheraton commercials could be worse

is if the ucla chick was hispanic.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 4:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Eh Nevermind

better not to get into it.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is a box and 1.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Shitty finish to the half.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 5:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

USC playing horribly.

Really, really, shittily.

by hcoguy on Mar 20, 2009 5:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think BC's foul problems are gonna be an issue.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 5:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pulling away...

NICE SEQUENCE!

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 5:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Gah

that 3 was big for BC.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woo Victory!

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 20, 2009 6:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes, the truth is annoying

But being right usually isn’t.

by cwel87 on Mar 21, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may be somewhat right

but the way you present your arguments is the problem. Obviously the Big 10 doesn’t suck as much as people have been saying but every other conference isn’t horrible in comparison.

by Mariner John on Mar 21, 2009 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never said that every other conference was horrible in comparison

Just the ACC.

And the fact is that I had to so vehemently defend the Big Ten that my points were coming off as ludicrous and terribly biased. It just was not good judgment to believe the Big Ten sucked based on games they played against each other, when they had proven themselves more than worthy during the non-conference portion of the season.

Pretty, finesse-oriented basketball may be pretty, but it doesn’t win games unless it’s really pretty. Ugly, physical, nose-breaking basketball wins games, especially when talent levels are similar.

by cwel87 on Mar 30, 2009 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't feel bad at all about that, absolutely nobody agreed with me anywhere

Plus, like I said before, it’s natural to dislike ugly basketball. But it does win, and being aware of that footnote is key when trying to wade your way through the NCAA tournament field year-in, year-out.

by cwel87 on Mar 30, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WISCONSIN!!!!

Why would I watch Transformers when I can play with them at my house?

by Taylor H on Mar 20, 2009 9:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What we really learned

Is that the ACC sucks.

by cwel87 on Mar 20, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that the Pac-10 is awesome.

Why would I watch Transformers when I can play with them at my house?

by Taylor H on Mar 20, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously though

To those of you who picked North Carolina to win it all in a runaway – the ACC might as well be the WCC.

Beware of Bulldogs.

by cwel87 on Mar 20, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beware of my retardation level, too

I don’t know what in God’s name made me want to trust Mark Few again.

by cwel87 on Mar 30, 2009 5:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So should I be concerned I have Nova and UConn in the finals?

It was an office pool where no one really knew anything…so I picked a sleeper team like Villanova to reach the finals because you get bonus points for having teams reach certain levels. But they took a dump and almost lost the opener. I hope they play much better tomorrow. If they beat UCLA I’ll have some confidence they can take Pittsburgh/Ok St.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Mar 20, 2009 11:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If there's one thing March Madness has taught any one of us, ever

It’s that your teams aren’t out ‘til they’re out.

by cwel87 on Mar 21, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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