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Open WBC Round 2 Games Thread (Part 2)

Round 2 continues.

========================== Schedule ==========================

Monday 3/16
Pool 2/Game 4 - Venezuela 2, Puerto Rico 0
Pool 1/Game 3 - Cuba 7, Mexico 4

Tuesday 3/17
Pool 2/Game 5 - Puerto Rico 5, United States 6
Pool 1/Game 4 - Japan 1, Korea 4

Wednesday 3/18
Pool 2/Game 6 - United States 6, Venezuela 10
Pool 1/Game 5 - Japan 5, Cuba 0

Thursday 3/19
06:00pm PDT --- Pool 1/Game 6 - Japan vs. Korea                 [ESPN]

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Semifinals begin Saturday, March 21st at 6:00pm PDT.

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Probably just scared of Puerto Rico spanking us again.

This is one of the problems that the WBC presents: do you play for national and risk injury or do you forgo this tournament and stay injury-free for the organization that pays you millions of dollars to play baseball? Easy answer for some, not so for others.

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by JLProck on Mar 17, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same argument has been happening for years in international football.

That’s one of the reasons why England’s national team under performs: the majority of players don’t put the same effort in that they would for their club.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
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by EnglishMariner on Mar 17, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The other reason: craptacularity

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Mar 17, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jamie Carragher is a twatbag

’I’d rather miss a penalty for England than Liverpool’. Fuck him and everyone he loves with a hedgehog.

by Graham on Mar 17, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Penalties are a lame example

I mean, who wouldn’t give full effort on a penalty kick regardless of the level?

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

England players?

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Mar 17, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To me it sounded more like he wasn't going to make a non-catcher play at catcher

And that he wasn’t all that worried about other positions, which seems perfectly reasonable to me. If I was the manager, DeRosa is the only guy on the roster I would dream of making the emergency catcher. And even then, I would expect an angry call or three from Cleveland.

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, this too.

You’re absolutely correct.

However, I think it depends on the game situation.

by JI on Mar 17, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

I’m sure that Johnson would have difficulty forfeiting a game where he had a huge lead or where he had a slight lead but was a couple of outs away from victory. Maybe he would do it, I don’t really know him, but I’m sure it would be harder than forfeiting a game that was well out of hand.

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't get over the fact that Ted Freaking Lilly is pitching for the US today

A 33-year-old lefty with a career FIP of 4.56 and a Marcel-projected FIP of 4.34. I’d almost rather have Fat Greg Maddux out there. Gil Meche would even arguably be a better choice.

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2009 12:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ted Lilly is good.

Realistically you can’t take the 5 best SPs in baseball because there won’t be enough PT to justify taking them away from ST.

by JI on Mar 17, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ted Lilly's not awful...

…but he’s the 3rd best SP on the US roster. Forget about taking the top 5 US SPs, how about 3 of the top 15? As for PT, I don’t really see why the starting pitchers would even have to travel with the team.

The US has so many good pitchers that it’s pretty ridiculous to be in the 3rd game of a round against a much smaller nation like Puerto Rico and have the pitching matchup be even.

I mean, I’ll watch the game, and I still love the WBC, but if we’re wondering why there aren’t all that many US fans at the game tonight, I think that “Ted Lilly, SP” is a good place to start. It’s really tough for me to be excited about this roster.

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watching Youkilis and Pedroia angers me.

I hate watching those two play baseball.

by Wilder. on Mar 17, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I finally figured it out.

Harold Reynolds sounds exactly like Chris Rock.

That is all.

by Wilder. on Mar 17, 2009 4:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why do left handers' curveballs look so loopy?

Is it just because the camera angle is coming in from the right side of the mound? Right handers’ curveballs look more tight for some reason, at least to me.

by Wilder. on Mar 17, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Avilas did not see that coming.

You want me to do what with this?

He didn't go.

by BUCKETSinSB on Mar 17, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

'merica...

Fuck Yeah!!

He didn't go.

by BUCKETSinSB on Mar 17, 2009 5:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rooting for Red Sox players

is rooting for all that is wrong with America.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 17, 2009 5:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That ball was outside to Beltran.

But now hes just one pitch away from getting out of it.

He didn't go.

by BUCKETSinSB on Mar 17, 2009 5:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That was predictable

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 17, 2009 5:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I’m not really any more confident in our bullpen, though, especially for this many innings.

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But we got Guthrie.

His stuff is unhittable.

He didn't go.

by BUCKETSinSB on Mar 17, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beltran??

I dunno if that would have been a home run, but that’s a fantastic catch.

by Double06 on Mar 17, 2009 5:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

God damn

Beltran is good.

by Zwakamatsu on Mar 17, 2009 5:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Frustrating.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 5:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Did that camera guy

get nailed? I swear I saw him go down after that ball was fouled up and hasn’t come back up.

by Zwakamatsu on Mar 17, 2009 5:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice try, Youkilis.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 6:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"The closers mindset"

Is bunk.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 17, 2009 6:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Gotta say, didn't see the sac bunt coming from Carlos Beltran.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 6:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think HR had a good point that if he puts the bunt more down the line...

…he would have had a legit shot at a base hit. He made it awfully close the way it was.

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's honestly insane

that people think bunting with your #3 hitter is a good idea. And it’s not a small group of people, its the majority. Reynolds earlier in the game said your best hitter is your #3, and just loved the fact he bunted…

wat?

by Zwakamatsu on Mar 17, 2009 6:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Griffey bunted often enough in, say, 1992

that I have a plaque with him bunting on it.

There’s a reason Bill Plummer was fired.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Mar 17, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beltran's fast enough that I don't think it's insane

There’s a chance he gets a hit and a chance that Wright throws the ball away and you have 2nd/3rd with no outs. It’s also something where maybe Beltran feels uncomfortable hitting against Bell, so he’s not sacrificing much by not swinging away. Every now and then, Joe Mauer will try to bunt for a hit, but it’s almost always against a left-handed hitter with the third baseman playing deep and off the line. (And for his career, fangraphs lists him at 18 bunt hits on 28 bunt attempts.)

The main problem I would have with it here is that the 6th is probably too early to be playing for one run against the US hitters.

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I suppose it's not insane

but it’s not the right move in my book either.

by Zwakamatsu on Mar 17, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scotty Shields coming in. Be good, Scotty.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 6:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

McCann needs to stop hitting the ball to dead freakin' center. >_<

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 6:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Scotty.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 6:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's awesome

If Victorino’s on the base, I don’t see how they can call anything on him. Perhaps PR might not want to throw the ball that close to a runner who is on a base.

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2009 6:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna say that was heads up by Victorino. He didn't obviously kick it, and if

you’re not gonna cut it off, don’t whine if it hits the baserunner.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 6:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

He didn’t bend his knee to make a kicking motion, but he did pivot around his right foot to get in the way. I love it. If that was an NHL goal, I don’t think it would be disallowed.

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And all for nought as Youkilis grounds softly to short.

USA running out of time.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 6:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Putz in.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 6:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How perfect is that

Jeter blows it for the U.S.

by OlSalty on Mar 17, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You suck, Jeter.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Do or die, USA.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 7:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent

A 1991 WS reference

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Shane Victorino:

The only US player who still gives a ****.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, I think the entire team is just having fun.

They all care, but not to the extent that they could. And I’m fine with that.

by Wilder. on Mar 17, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And here comes the Americans!

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on Mar 17, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rally time!

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't suck, Jeter.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for nothing, Jeter. (Though it wasn't a bad try.)

Lets go Rollins.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 7:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NICE STEAL!

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 7:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bases loaded for Youk.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 7:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, I'll take a game tying single, though.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guess who I am

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

by OlSalty on Mar 17, 2009 8:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

A robot umpire?

Why would I watch Transformers when I can play with them at my house?

by Taylor H on Mar 17, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Valentino

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Mar 17, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm fine with that.

LET’S GO WRIGHT!

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on Mar 17, 2009 8:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WALK WALK WALK

USA! USA! USA!

by JI on Mar 17, 2009 8:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

5-4! Lets go Wright!

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 8:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cabrera can't find the zone.

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on Mar 17, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In his defense, theres not much of a zone.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WRIGHT! USA!

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by Goose on Mar 17, 2009 8:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

USA! USA!

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 8:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who are all of those guys in the dog pile?

Surely not American players, because everyone keeps saying that they don’t care.

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2009 8:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not that I don't think they care it's that I don't think they take it as seriously as the other countries

and I don’t think it’s nearly as important to us as it is to the other countries.

by acblue on Mar 17, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rooting interests in sports are totally subjective.

I don’t think it’s possible for something to be beside the point.

by acblue on Mar 17, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, you can root for whoever you like

Just to throw this out there, though, WIllie Bloomquist would probably care more about this than Derek Jeter. Would you be more inclined to root for the US if Willie was the starting SS?

I guess I think the whole “US players don’t care” angle is pretty overblown.

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Delgado and Beltran just got Phillied again.

But this time with the help of their own teammate!

by Wilder. on Mar 17, 2009 8:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Phillied?

You can't hide from the omnipresent eye.

by Goose on Mar 17, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's go Japan!

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by Goose on Mar 17, 2009 8:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bum Ho Lee?

Really, there’s a dude named Bum Ho Lee?

Awesome.

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by Goose on Mar 17, 2009 8:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Obligitory

“hit off of bong” joke.

by Zwakamatsu on Mar 17, 2009 8:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

God dammit I don't get MLB Network.

I thought it was free with comcast, but I guess not. They can jack up your price all they want, and still charge you extra where they can.

by Fin on Mar 17, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Of course, your channel numbers are probably different

But I don’t pay anything extra for it, you sure you don’t get it?

by OlSalty on Mar 17, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do that.

I had the same problem when MLBN first debuted, and then a couple weeks ago I tried it again and it magically worked. I haven’t paid a dime more on my bill either.

by Double06 on Mar 17, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Make sure your cable is screwed all the way into the wall and to the box

I had that problem with mine, for weeks a lot of the digital channels weren’t working very often if at all, then I went and tightened the cable into the wall and they all suddenly worked perfectly.

by OlSalty on Mar 17, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Do you just have expanded basic cable?

We’ve had that for years and we JUST FOUND OUT about a week ago that we needed the boxes. I can get to MLBN, but a message comes up that we don’t have authorization for it.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Mar 18, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

It’s because we are cheap.

by msb on Mar 18, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

and I decided that I could only go so far in my need for tv.

by msb on Mar 18, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, I was paying for preferred cable.

So they simply loaded it on my tv, and now its working. It will come in handy now that march madness is going, I assume that the finals will be MLBN.

by Fin on Mar 18, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It comes with certain levels of Comcast

..starting with Digital preferred. If you get Digital starter, you are SOL, as I know from experience.

by msb on Mar 17, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FRAK.

Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Mar 17, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's why...

You need a Kawasaki/Nishioka DP combo.

Favor the Bold

by IcebreakerX on Mar 17, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For once

throwing MORE fastballs seems like a better idea.

by Zwakamatsu on Mar 17, 2009 8:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Korea taking it to Japan early.

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by TheOptimist on Mar 17, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So, here's the thing.

Occasional foreign language comments are fine, notably if they are some form of meme, but if you are making a habit of commenting in a way that severely limits the number of people that can understand you, we’re going to ask you to post in English or take your comments somewhere more appropriate.

by Matthew on Mar 17, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is pretty bad

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 17, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap

Johjima’s been thrown out of the game by the home plate ump!

by JLC on Mar 17, 2009 10:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I like how the umpire expects Johjima to not only hear him, but understand English

He should’ve talked slower and louder with extra emphasis on each individual syllable.

by JLC on Mar 17, 2009 10:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What the hell?

I missed Johjima get ejected? What for?

by BrianL on Mar 17, 2009 10:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

3-2 count, ball on the low outside corner, but ump called it a strike

Johjima immediately spun around and dropped his bat in disbelief/disgust, umpire yelled at Johjima to pick the bat up because it was near home plate, Johjima kept walking away like he was ignoring/didn’t hear him, and the umpire threw him out as Joh walked to the dugout.

by JLC on Mar 17, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was

Though Johjima was kind of a dick, assuming he was just flat out ignoring the ump.

by JLC on Mar 17, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big Papi!!

Wait, you not Big Papi…

by Double06 on Mar 17, 2009 10:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

there's no need for the 6th game really

Venezuela is 2-0, they should win the pool.

by marinerdan on Mar 18, 2009 4:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dave Valle

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by JI on Mar 18, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For anyone who missed Darvish.

Here are some flight paths. His stuff is disgusting.

(Credit to Harry at BTB for the charts)

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 18, 2009 4:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I haven't seen many of these charts...

…but it seems like it would be really, really tough as a hitter to distinguish between this 4-seamer and 2-seamer, since they start out almost exactly the same.

by ubelmann on Mar 18, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huzzah for Jeremy Guthrie

Amazing pitching depth for the US.

by ubelmann on Mar 18, 2009 5:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd have an easier time believe this was fixed

if Guthrie wasn’t on the team.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 18, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I know this

I’m just saying for people who think its fixed, if the team had crazy shit like Halladay as a long reliever it’d be easier to believe them.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 18, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not literally fixed

but it’s hard to deny that the US has had an easy road the last two seasons.

by JI on Mar 18, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't buy into the notion that the US doesn't care.

If they didn’t care, they wouldn’t have dog piled one another the other night. The US goes into this with a HUGE target on their backs. EVERYONE wants to beat the all-mighty USA.

Illegible

by kevin_ess on Mar 18, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They had arguably the toughest group in the first round and opened against Canada in Canada

Although I don’t think that home-field advantage really matters in this tournament. Their second round group “should” have included DR-PR-Ven or DR-PR-Can, which would easily be as difficult a group as J-K-Cuba-Mexico. I don’t really see that as a deliberately easy road for the US, unless you think that HFA is a really big deal. And as it has played out, the US has only played one of the second-rate teams, and that was Netherlands in the second round.

As for easy roads, Japan had two pushovers in their pool and hosted. Mexico had South Africa and an Australia team that was probably about as good as Italy, and they hosted. PR hosted and had Panama and the Netherlands in their group.

Even the first year with US-Canada-Mexico-S.Africa, there were three teams in their pool who you could legitimately expect to advance out of the first round.

And besides all that, if someone was going to seed the tournament, the US would wind up with a high seed, so they arguably should have an easy road even if you think that they have had an easy road.

by ubelmann on Mar 18, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This and Johjima's hitting

are the only things I really hope carry over to the regular season.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 18, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes please.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 18, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

15 after 5

Sounds like the fastest way to end this game, especially with Ven as the home team.

by ubelmann on Mar 18, 2009 6:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I predict the US comes back and wins this.

What happens with a rain out? Do they schedule a time to resume play, or go with the score at the time?

Illegible

by kevin_ess on Mar 18, 2009 6:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm almost positive I heard last night

that they will play the whole thing no matter how long it takes.

You know what? Fuck you Sports Gods, fuck you.

by bluemax on Mar 18, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"sea smoke"

Can’t say I’ve heard fog described as this before. Thanks for expanding my verbal repertoire Gary Thorne or whatever this announcers name is.

He didn't go.

by BUCKETSinSB on Mar 18, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs