A-Rod: changing opinions?
So A-Rod just admitted to Peter Gammons that he took some form of PED for three years when he was in Texas (01-03). Story.
I find it fascinating that he's really gonna be the first active, big-name guy to admit to using PEDs. Giambi sort of did, but he just gave that generic apology for "what I did," and he ended up coming out looking better than most people.
I wonder if this is going to change the way people look at him: whatever people want to say about his lack of clutchness, or hate him for being paid so much, or for using PEDs, you have to admit it takes a certain amount of courage to be fairly forthright about using PEDs. I think a lot of fans are tired of being lied to, so maybe they cut A-Rod a break for being honest (even if it's after being outed, which is more than could be said about a lot of other guys).
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Damn you.
Free Stephen "Awesome" Strasburg!
by seattlecougar on Feb 9, 2009 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
It’s rare we see a professional athlete admit the truth while the rest of the world is still warming up to the news… Too many Floyd Landis/Barry Bonds/Roger Clemens/et al stories out there.
A-Rod may be a cheating d-bag (both on his ex-wife and in the game of baseball), but at least he owns up to being a cheating d-bag.
Free Stephen "Awesome" Strasburg!
by seattlecougar on Feb 9, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never hated A-Rod the way some did
but I really gained a lot of respect for him today for copping to it unequivocally.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm the opposite.
If you’re willing to lie about something, lie about it. If he’d stuck to his story or refused to comment it would have shown he had strength in his convictions.
Now he’s just trying to smile really big now that he’s been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
If he was going to admit to it when caught, he shouldn’t have lied about it before.
A-Rod changing his story now has made me lose respect for him, not gain it.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Feb 10, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't take this the wrong way, but you don't seem very Canadian at all.
Do you get that a lot?
You are a man out of step with society. Which is great.
You are the Forgotten Rebels of Canadian LL posters.
by marc w on Feb 10, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone has told me I don't seem Canadian before, no.
Out of step with society, yes.
“Lacks the necessary persuasive skills to support his idiosyncratic positions”? Yes.
Uncanadian? No.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Feb 11, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't give any brownie points to A-Rod for simply taking the best course his PR handlers chose.
He was huddling with Boras and his goons all night last night.
A-Roid and his handlers have seen what happened to Bonds and Clemens. While people who apologize quickly like Pettite and Brian Roberts are cheaply lauded by an easily bought public.
For all the crying for sympathy in this pathetic “interview” (more like bought PR), A-Roid cheated and he’s only sorry for getting caught. Did you get a load of him completely denying that he took any steroids in the Katie Couric interview a little while ago? (Basically saying he was too good to cheat).
The jerk. And I had thought (been fooled that) he was doing it cleanly.
by Sam Regens on Feb 9, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt this makes him look better to most people, because he was pretty widely hated before all of this came out.
If he had been beloved this would make a difference, but when people have a reason to justify their hate of someone, they’re going to hold on to it.
by acblue on Feb 9, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
But was Giambi beloved?
I mean, he was already seen as something of a disappointment in NYC, but I was living there at the time and after he apologized people gave him a surprising amount of credit. I just think fans are tired of being treated like idiots, of being lied to, and maybe this causes people to re-evaluate their opinion of him.
I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little
by Sportszilla on Feb 9, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Andy Pettitte has largely been forgiven
or at least PEDs aren’t mentioned in every story when he is involved. I think his apology had a lot to do with it and maybe that is why Rodriguez is admitting and apologizing. Of course Rodriguez is viewed differently than Pettitte and probably won’t get a free pass like Pettitte does.
by Jed MC on Feb 9, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least I'm not tired of a big story about a guy who did something that wasn't against the rules.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 11:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
And if he's telling the truth about when he did it
didn’t improve his performance at all.
Tools Whore
Sign Bonds!
by Tyler on Feb 9, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't this kind of the point that's lost in all this?
I mean, either he’s lying about the time frame or the PEDs had little measurable effect, unless they kept him healthier or something
I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little
by Sportszilla on Feb 9, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the other side of the equation...You bet your ballls he stopped after he was informed he failed the test.
And he still has been a great player since.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Feb 9, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
How in the world can you say this? He might have stopped, but he also might have started using something else less detectable.
I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little
by Sportszilla on Feb 9, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just an assumption.
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Feb 9, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm finding it harder to hate on him
I admit to being one of the tiny-minded people that still boos A-Rod when he comes to town. Mainly because it’s fun and I have to wring every possible ounce of fun out of M’s games these days. But assuming he’s not using the admission of a limited, two-to-three year period of PED use to cover for a longer period of use…this is a stand-up move. Add that to the pity I feel for anyone caught in Madonna’s inexplicably sticky web of affections and it’s getting a lot harder to hate the guy.
by short on Feb 9, 2009 12:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I switched a few years ago. I was there in 01 when he first came back, and I booed the hell out of him. But I was living in New York when he got traded to the Yankees, and got so sick of all the Yankee fans saying Jeter was better, that I had to start rooting for him. Which is funny, because I never particularly liked him as an M.
I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little
by Sportszilla on Feb 9, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't dislike him at all until 2004
when he slapped the ball from Bronson Arroyo’s glove, said he didn’t do it, and then when caught on camera claimed he didn’t know it was against the rules.
If he didn’t know it was against the rules, why did he deny it in the first place?
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Feb 9, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad he came clean, but I'm still really really upset that he took PED.
I wanted A-Rod to be clean so that when he becomes the HR king, we could forget about the Bond’s bullshit once and for all. I guess we’ll just have to hope that Pujols is clean and hits 800 HR.
You made a mistake Alex, but I’m glad you came clean.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Feb 9, 2009 12:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if the anonymous testing in 2003 might have encouraged drug use.
If a player thought the 5% threshhold would be cleared, then he had to know that 2003 was the last year he could ever use PEDs without penalty. So, might as well pad those stats while you can, right?
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Feb 9, 2009 12:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I had a related thought
When I was about 5 years old, I got in a shoving match with some kid at day care. The adult in charge told us to stop, I stupidly did stop, got shoved one more time, the back of my head hit the corner of a coffee table, and I got stitches for it.
You can’t stop fighting until you know the other guy is also going to stop. If you know that there’s no penalty for PED use, and you know that the other guy fighting for your roster spot is using PEDs, then it makes no sense to stop using them until there’s a real penalty.
by ubelmann on Feb 9, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting poll on ESPN's front page right now, asking if A-Rod's apology makes you forgive him.
The three choices are Yes, No and Nothing to forgive. What I find interesting is the state-by-state breakdown. WA and New England voted No, which isn’t a surprise given Seattle and Boston influences, but so did Minnesota, South Dakota and Nebraska. What’s up there?
Three states voted Nothing to forgive: Alaska, Mississippi and North Dakota. If someone can come up with a baseball theory to link those three states together I would be amused to read it.
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
North and South Dakotans hate one another with a vivid, burning passion and will always seek to take up opposing views on any subject.
It’s like a replay of the Civil War in irrelevant miniature.
That’s my explanation and I’m sticking to it.
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by esoteric on Feb 9, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Alaska, Mississippi, and North Dakota don't play baseball
A-Rod cheating in baseball is therefore irrelevant to them.
by Graham on Feb 9, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your theory is incomplete, ignoring that there are many other states that also do not play baseball
and yet did not follow the same voting pattern.
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My roommate who's a ND native is a passionate twins fan
Maybe its an attitude of survival. Do whatever it takes to survive. I know for a fact that a large population people shouldn’t survive in alaska or north dakota. The Mississippi connection I’m not sure about.
by Edgar for Pres on Feb 9, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Minnesota thing is kind of interesting
I don’t know how common this is amongst franchises, but Minnesota’s PR line going back to when Tom Kelly took over was that they do things “the right way.” Fans have been completely indoctrinated to the point that they take up crazy positions like, say, that it doesn’t hurt the team to be last in the league in home runs. Taking PED is the opposite of “doing things the right way,” so they may be less willing to forgive.
It’s also hypocritical, though, since no one really cared that Juan Rincon actually got caught failing a test. And going outside of baseball to MN sports in general, no one seemed to care that Pat and Kevin Williams took weight-loss drugs that were specifically forbidden in their contracts so that they could make weight to earn a bonus.
When A-Rod opted out of his contract last off-season, I suggested to some of my friends that if the Twins could support a $100M payroll, it would make all the sense in the world to sign A-Rod. The Twins have had a big need at third base ever since Corey Koskie left, and Mauer-Rodriguez-Morneau would look awfully damned good on a lineup card. Everyone I talked to was 10,000% opposed to this idea, though, since A-Rod doesn’t play baseball “the Twins way.” This was rather frustrating.
by ubelmann on Feb 9, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Minnesota probably forgot that A-Rod teabagged them in the 2004 LDS
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Say what?!
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Feb 9, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There was graphic footage.
Tim McCarver was speechless.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
by Llewdor on Feb 10, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The people that were most likely to vote first were not at work?
As people with full time day jobs get off work and catch up on the internet, the status of the states is likely to change?
This is presuming a lifestyle difference between people that work full time, and people that don’t.
by Kermit. on Feb 9, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It turns out the actual answer was small samples
as Alaska, North Dakota and Nebraska have all switched with more votes trickling in.
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another poll on A-Rod in the HOF
Somehow 14% never thought he deserved to be in it. 14% of people need to lower their standards.
by Mariner John on Feb 9, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I may be a hater, but I'm not that blinded.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There's the possibility that those 14% of people take the BBWAA's guide to judge a player by character and accomplishment
and decided he doesn’t deserve it for the whole cheating on his wife thing, but still… I mean, Ty Cobb is in the Hall of Fame
by seattlebruin on Feb 9, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing Ty Cobb has taught me is that it is perfectly ok to beat up someone who has no hands.
There are no good individual basketball statistics.
54!
by joof on Feb 9, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How can he not be a HOF?
he was a 40-40 guy clean, its pretty obvious. Roids don’t enhance your hand/eye unless you count quick twitch muscles where i would here an argument. But nevertheless all this talk of him not getting in the HOF now seems ridiculous.
by duckyou on Feb 9, 2009 1:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We will never know just when he was 'clean' pre 2004.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Feb 9, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have read somewhere
That some substances can improve reaction times, but I can’t find any evidence right now to back it up. Something about the efficiency of transmission of impulses and the ability to react more quickly because of this in combination with increased strength.
holy shit its christmas.
by yteimlad on Feb 11, 2009 1:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I admit to being a full-fledged ARod hater, for reasons both nonsensical and rational.
This just makes me feel bad for him. They were all supposed to be given amnesty by taking this anonymous test, and neither turns out to be true.
Coming from a security background, I wonder what the MLBFO were thinking in keeping these records, and why the MLBPA didn’t insist that everything was destroyed after testing was complete. It seems there should be a lawsuit in here somewhere. Data is power, and the fact that this was kept created a lot of power that had no good use for anyone except for journalists and book writers.
Good on him for trying to get this over and done with. Finally a news saga that he tries to end instead of stand in the middle of and elongate.
I think that now there is living proof that PEDs do absolutely nothing from the good end as well as the bad end (Morse, etc.). Before 01 = 01-03 = 03-present. That’s it, argument over.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 1:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wish
That the scare mongering would end and some studies could be done to determine the effects of these substances on athletes in complex sporting events like baseball. There are so many people who take steroids just to look good, can’t we ease up the restrictions on these substances to find out exactly what they do? There is a ready to go sample population at every gym in America. But I guess then we would lose the war on drugs and the evil-doers would win.
holy shit its christmas.
by yteimlad on Feb 11, 2009 1:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for your honesty, Alex.
I’m disheartened that he tested positive. Not because I see him as any less amazing, but because I know he’s going to be even more reviled. I root for A-Rod and want to see him succeed. He’s absolutely responsible and will have to live with that, but it’s nice to see him stand up and admit it.
I really hope this is the beginning of a flood of names. I want fans to see that it wasn’t just the evil home run hitters like A-Rod and Bonds taking steroids — that it also included a lot of “good guys.” I want to see some local icons and fan favorites named, because I want people to understand how normal it was. Maybe then we can move on.
I want to see Eckstein on that list.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 1:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm kinda the same way, although I fear that names of people held in very high esteem by Mariners fans would be involved in such a flood
and the revelation that certain players used steroids would probably be enough to turn some fans off to the game. As silly as I think that is, it would be a shame.
by acblue on Feb 9, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It definitely wouldn't be fun. I guess I would see it more as cleansing.
Maybe I’m being idealistic, but I want to believe that baseball fans can be rational and accept that it was common — and now we have a pretty strong testing program with real repercussions — so while it’s unfortunate, it’s over* and MLB has taken steps to prevent it in the future.
*cheating will obviously never be over, but you know what I mean. It’s now against the rules, and players are tested frequently. Taking PEDs is a much bigger gamble today than it was five or 10 years ago.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think of older people who have been Mariners fans for thirty years, and I think of their reaction to finding out their favorite players juiced
and it breaks my heart. It would be better for the game in the long-run, I think, but it would still suck in the short-term.
by acblue on Feb 9, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I only worry about Beltre,
because he’s already so ridiculously overcriticized by writers and many fans.
Not to turn this into a steroid-speculation subthread, of course. That’s just the one thing that I do worry about.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna see Griffey, Jeter, and David Ortiz test positive.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really?
I’m kind of sick of seeing baseball poster children go down.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
If that’s what I will take people to stop making assumption about who used and who did not.
Put Jamie Moyer on that list too.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mass-Test
If we’re going to do that we might as well test everyone.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see Hank Aaron leave that revalation in a note somewhere when he dies.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or
Just some frank discussion about amphetamines and how they can improve alertness, focus, and reaction times. You know, rather than this holier than thou bit that he and others have been putting on for the last 8 years.
One of the best things I have seen during this whole mess was Bob Gibson saying that if these substances were available to him, he would have taken them. Willie Mays has also said that he would have considered it. Sometimes you forget that there are people who play sports professionally who recognize the complexity of the decisions we have to make. Unlike Roy Oswalt, for example.
holy shit its christmas.
by yteimlad on Feb 11, 2009 1:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cal Ripkin Jr.
There are no good individual basketball statistics.
54!
by joof on Feb 9, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A-Roid
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Generally it's bad form for the first five posts you make to contain links to your own content.
by acblue on Feb 9, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SI knew I don't think he did...
SI said they knew what he took, “testosterone and Primobolan, an anabolic steroid,” but Rodriguez didn’t know what he tested postive for.
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why does it matter, though?
He’s admitted to taking them. What does it matter what he specifically took?
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not what he took, but now knowing what he took.
My question as a reporter is, do you think he’d EVER admit to using steroids if these files weren’t subpoenaed for the Bonds case?
I don’t think for a second he would.
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you actually a reporter?
(not snark, genuinely curious)
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reporter
I am, I was trying to break the A-Rod story in conjuction with Peter Gammons interview.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you mind if I ask for whom you work?
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a blog written by Western students
One of them emailed me to try and get a link on the Sounders page of ASN
by Nick S on Feb 9, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really which one?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At the risk of going way off topic, Jesse A
by Nick S on Feb 9, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Tangent Necessary
just curious
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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reporter
Right now I’m working for the site below. I was in the running to work at the PI or the Times as an online reporter but I think we all know how that turned out. I’m hopefully going to go work for MLB.com. But they’re not hiring until they see some budget projections from their tv channel.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't.
But he got caught and he owned up to it. A lot of other players haven’t done that.
by acblue on Feb 9, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who told him to own up?
I seriously doubt it was Scott Boars or Madonna, I’m trying to find out if Andy Pettite had anything to do with it. What might be more interesting is the story about Orza tipping off A-Rod.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you assume someone told him to do it?
Is it impossible that A-Rod said “Well, I got caught so I guess I should come clean”?
by acblue on Feb 9, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Come clean
It’s not impossible to think that, but why respond so quickly to the allegations, “You’ll have to speak to the [baseball] union, I’m not saying anything.” Only to tell Peter Gammons 48 hours later, “I’m guilty of a lot of things.”
It’s seems genuine, but forced at the same time.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he had to ask the union what their stance was?
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly would you come clean if you didn't have to?
It’s noble and everything but he would be more of a pariah.
by Mariner John on Feb 9, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd hope I wouldn't have to make that choice
I understand he was under more pressue than David Bowie and Freddy Mercury but he didn’t need to take steroids
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but there's really no need to admit it if you don't have to.
It’s different from those two. It’s a ridiculous expectation to put on someone.
by Mariner John on Feb 9, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rodriguez didn't know what products he tested positive for
by Jeff on Feb 9, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
My guess is that he took more than just what the tests revealed. And that he did not want to release information that would be of a further detriment. Or that he was taking so many things at the time that were legal/illegal/questionable that he honestly could not remember.
holy shit its christmas.
by yteimlad on Feb 11, 2009 1:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad Form
I’ll make more posts without my own links. I thought it the best way for all to see who I am.
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Self-links are somewhat OK
but please be sure to identify them as such, and don’t do it constantly. If you have a blog of your own, maybe link it in your sig.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You were specifically asked to stop spamming earlier today.
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Spam
I hope you didn’t think I was trying to Spam, or actually annoy anyone here. I have a huge ego and I figured fans of this site would like to read some of my reports and videos.
No malice intended.
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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Spam
I’m make sure I limit the ego posts.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is sensationalist writing
According to your link he did know what he was taking, he just didn’t know which he tested positive for.
by Fogel on Feb 9, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you have an axe to grind please grind it elsewhere
We get that you are dubious. But self-linking is probably not the best way to prove your point. Nor is using “A-Roid” or “A-Fraud”.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No ax
I don’t have an ax to grind, but I did think about all the Mariners fans throwing monopoly money when Rodriguez returned to SafeCo feild that season.
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I don't care too much for this kind of slander.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Ax Slander?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just used what the New York media was calling him
Come on, that’s a great headline
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There's nobody cleverer than a NY Post headline writer, after all
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is merely stating that he is Gay and a Fraud
not that his fraud is particularly homosexual.
by Mariner John on Feb 9, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Biff McLargehuge
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61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?
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Damn. Late with the "slab."
61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?
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Lump Beefrock
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Punt Speedchunk
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61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?
by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lt. Biceps Tinygonad
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!
by abender20 on Feb 9, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I should clarify:
He is a homo who chokes, not a person who chokes homos.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How is this not libel?
if A-Roids is?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I wasn't?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What have I said that would lead you to believe that I harbor malice toward A-Rod?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And that somehow is worse than making fun of his sexuality?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't kidding about understanding the tone before commenting
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, we're making fun of people who make fun of his sexuality.
It probably looks bad to an outsider, but this is an established joke around here, and we’re not actually calling A-Rod gay. We’re impersonating idiots.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Impersonating
Doens’t that give their opinions and jokes value?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it makes fun of them.
Sorry if this sounds like I’m talking down to you, but the joke is basically this:
“Hey, look at me, I’m a headline writer or low-brain-activity baseball fan, and I’m going to show A-Rod just how much of a loser he is by calling him names.”
Imagine, say, David Cross doing a standup bit about bigots in Atlanta. He takes on a thick Southern accent and uses the word “faggot” to describe anyone he doesn’t like. David Cross is not therefore a bigot. He’s the opposite, because he’s condemning something by impersonating an idiot and holding his bigotry up in the air to be laughed at and looked down upon.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And we know this because we know Matthew.
Familiarity makes it possible to make this joke effectively, because those of us at LL understand his personality. We don’t know you, so if “A-Fraud” is some sort of elaborate bit of irony that’s just flying over all our heads, we’re nonetheless not familiar enough with you to understand a joke you’re trying to make.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A-Fruad
Isn’t what I used. And I guess I’m not as clever as I thought. Using phrases like:
Also, I should clarify:
He is a homo who chokes, not a person who chokes homos.
Doesn’t really ring brilliance in my opinion. I’m all about stirring the pot and controversey but there’s a huge difference between David Cross doing a stand-up bit about southern racisim and a couple guys on LL making gay-bashing jokes in some sort of impersonation of idiots, while telling me that I should rise above the chaff.
Maybe I’m missing the joke
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the problem right there
I’m all about stirring the pot and controversey
That doesn’t really fly around here. Please, read the Style Guide that’s been linked elsewhere; it’ll help.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stirring the pot
Calling A-roid is horrible, but calling him Gay Fraud is acceptable?
On what planet does that make any sense?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's like raaaaaaaaain on your wedding day
by Graham on Feb 9, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Comedy gold?
Oh, no, irony.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How could You Oughtta Know be so good
and the rest of her catalouge so bad?
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The planet where
a lot of us know each other (or at the very least, know each other’s posting style very well) and UNDERSTAND THE TONE OF THE PLACE. I cannot stress this enough. You’re new here, take some time to read through some threads and get to know where we’re coming from before you pass judgment.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Passing Judgement
None of you know anything about me. Talk about hypocracy
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't presume to know anything about you, sir
but you presume you know we’re all gay-bashing idiots, when we’re truly not.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Presumption
Everything posted has been about the presumption based on me calling Alex Rodriguez A-Roid because he admitted to using steriods.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am so happy you showed up today.
We’re going to get at least two running jokes out this.
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I aim to please
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Please. Read and understand this.
You are new here. This means you have no history here, which in turn means we don’t know you. Thus, WE DON’T KNOW IF YOU’RE KIDDING OR NOT.
This website is a community of people that’s hung out here for a looooong time; that breeds a familiarity that you do not share with us. Yet.
Stick around long enough, and you’ll get the tone. Assume you know what’s going on in your first day here, though, and there’s nothing I can do. Until that point, do not assume ANYTHING about anyone.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually hate gay people.
Big homophobe.
by acblue on Feb 9, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well great. I guess you won't be calling me anymore.
61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?
by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad they closed Tubs in the U-District.
We could have loathed ourselves in a hot tub.
61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?
by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I too was saddened by the closing of tubs
Luckily there still is one in Lake City.
"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson
by Willie Mays Haze on Feb 10, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that like a place to buy hot tubs or to use hot tubs?
by Fin on Feb 10, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rent them for hourly use.
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by pdb on Feb 10, 2009 6:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And now that we do know things about you you are worse off than when we didn't know anything about you
by Jeff on Feb 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yo Jeff, is there any way to fix/increase the margins inside threads?
Because the way these reponses all end up pancaking together into one column makes this shit tres impossible to follow along with.
Is it just a limitation of the SBNation format you’re stuck with?
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Feb 9, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This has been something I've also wondered about.
61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?
by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
You’re the one accusing us of harboring anti-gay sentiments. All we’ve accused you of is writing a bad headline.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like you said
It probably looks bad to an outsider, but this is an established joke around here, and we’re not actually calling A-Rod gay. We’re impersonating idiots.
You’re right. It did look bad.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't get to use "we" yet
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We
Was part of a quote from Teej
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Retracted with apologies
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
It was an incredibly offensive display and if I were new here I would certainly be discouraged by the immaturity shown in the comments of this fanpost.
by Fogel on Feb 9, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe this is happening after the "LL QC" thread.
I’ll allow J/M/G to handle the situation, although I think PDB has had constructive input.
by Wilder. on Feb 9, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying the high road
and this thread has been a lot saner than a lot of other newbie pileons, so that’s gotta count for something.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we've been overly nice in trying to explain that we're not a big pile of gay-bashers.
This is exactly what the LLQC called for — patience and friendliness from regulars when talking to new people.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SHUT UP LOSER
sorry. Knee jerk reaction. I don’t know what came over me.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's easy to get angry when dealing with an unabashed gay-hater such as myself.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You in for the pity party, then?
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by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think one person can handle it.
Not 10.
by Wilder. on Feb 9, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will submit some people just don't get it, though.
And that can cause a bunch of people to respond.
by Wilder. on Feb 9, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In real time, it's simply not realistic to expect the community to coordinate itself such that only one person responds to crazy comments at a time
by Jeff on Feb 9, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We could take shifts
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I swear if I get stuck with the graveyard shift
I’m going to be pissed.
61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?
by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
4 8 15 16 23 42
(Sorry, just getting through the second season of Lost.)
by Wilder. on Feb 9, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Every 119 seconds someone must bash a newbie
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The response in this thread
has been, in my opinion, perfectly acceptable w/r/t the LL community.
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One final time
You put A-Roid in a headline. We don’t know you, and are therefore forced to presume that you’re being serious.
The A-Rod = gay jokes are (A) made in the comments section of a fanpost on a blog, and (B) were ironic.
by Jeff on Feb 9, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too late, I've already called the ACLU
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Please tell me that means Ame Poehler is going to show up.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Incorrect but thanks for playing
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OH YEAH WELL YOU'RE INCORRECTER!
that oughta show you what’s what
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cricket Feldstein, at your service
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, maybe I'll just make it plainly obvious:
We’re calling him Gay-Fraud in order to make fun of you calling him A-Roid.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus we all know A-Rod's a total pole smoker anyway
so there’s no reason to rehash on it
by Fogel on Feb 9, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially since Michael Phelps took all the hash with which we would have used to rehash this
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This brings up a good question:
Bigger waster of time: Michael Phelps story or A-Rod story?
by Mariner John on Feb 9, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Phelps should be thanking A-Rod right now.
by BrianL on Feb 9, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He really should be thanking A-Rod.
If SI didn’t post that story then we would still be hearing about Michael Phelps and that would do nothing but make a great athlete question himself even more.
by Kirkharbaugh on Feb 9, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Phelps by a lot
It’s not like we have to wonder whether smoking a bowl before jumping in the pool helped him win eight gold medals.
Phelps is a kid who is trying to actually enjoy his young years for a few minutes before the next 16-hour practice session and media junket. I’m glad I’m not famous, because I’d be toast.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Micheal Phelps
weed doesn’t make you swim faster
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Phelps
Swimming is fucking boring
by Graham on Feb 9, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless it's Sea weed
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's making a joke about the type of people who create stupid nicknames to belittle public figures.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that just as bad or worse?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Making fun of poor journalists is not worse than being a poor journalist.
by Mariner John on Feb 9, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair...it's really libel, if anything
I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little
by Sportszilla on Feb 9, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Libel
Cheating on his wife with Madonna made A-Rod libel-proof.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about his personal life.
And I don’t think we know enough about his private life to judge him.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't justify something like that.
People who shoplift aren’t just allowed to have things stolen from them for the rest of their lives. Plus what he didn’t isn’t even illegal while libel is.
by Mariner John on Feb 9, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Public Figure
A-Rod is a public figure, if I call him A-Roid it doesn’t damage his image. The SI article might, but if it’s true then its not libel.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You could, of course, try to rise above the chaff
by Jeff on Feb 9, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chaff?
And praise him for taking steroids?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, that's not what I meant.
Aren’t you a journalist?
I mean you might try not stooping to everybody else’s level.
by Jeff on Feb 9, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunatly...
It doesn’t pay the bills.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff has high standards and he bathes in a hot tub full of Kos' money.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ambassador?
No one in their right mind would make me an ambassador
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What are we talking about anymore?
The bottom line is that if you want to contribute in any way to the greater discussion, then you should find a new angle, because there are already plenty of Holy Writers and angry nobodies taking the A-Roid route.
by Jeff on Feb 9, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he's a journalist you're Studs Terkel
(sorry, but “writing for a sports blog” does not a journalist make)
(feel free to hide this if I’ve crossed the line)
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's
You can use the word you. It takes a lot to offend me. The blog isn’t the only place I work as a journalist.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you also Jemele Hill?
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!
by abender20 on Feb 9, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't addressing you
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's my favorite American journalist
at least I consider him a journalist. Story-gatherer? Chronicler of life? Anyway, he’s awesome.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A good portion of what I know about the Great Depression
is from reading his work. Awesome stuff that goes well beyond the surface.
by Sec 108 on Feb 9, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chaff gets ratings.
Intelligence and research does not.
by Mariner John on Feb 9, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are bandying about links to your blog here,
I guess you are a public figure now too huh?
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Public Figure
I’ve been a public figure longer than I’d like to admit to.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just googled you
and most of the links are to nextseasonsports. And there aren’t that many.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I come up as a mechanic from South Carolina?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that explains the funny shoes and bald head
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was making a composite image in my head
who gets to wear the gold lamè vest?
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It surely is a fabulous article of clothing.
But it totally clashes with my moccasins.
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking more Yul Brynner in The King And I than Fire Island
but that is somewhat gay I suppose.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Brits can get away with being gayer than the average bear.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they have gay accents
That’s what I just said.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I find that hard to believe and google does nothing to support your statement
Some of us may be fools on this site but it is wrong to prey on them.
by Robert on Feb 9, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude - go easy on him. He's famous.
61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?
by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just because it's legal to demean someone doesn't mean a journalist should do so.
And I say this as a journalist.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Willard Scott???!!
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by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would not be surprised if he goes out of his way to show people that he has been clean and continues to stay that way.
I would also not be surprised to see people hate him for that.
by Robert on Feb 9, 2009 2:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
To be fair he's pretty freaking hateable.
by acblue on Feb 9, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad whenever I dislike him but neediness is the cancer of personalities
by Robert on Feb 9, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've started to accept that people have legit reasons for disliking him.
But he doesn’t bother me in the slightest.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds V Rodriguez
Who’s more hateable?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're giving it the attention and respect it deserves, yes.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cal Ripken Jr?
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Iron Man
How can you have an ill feeling towards Cal?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard he asphyxiated orphans
and used their blood to supplement his own. Jerk.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ghandi, Mandela, Jesus
Do you hate them too?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So is all of this a stress-test of the new "let's be cool" philosophy?
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Give me time
You’ll think I’m cool just like everyone else, then you’ll hate yourself for thinking I’m cool, just like everyone else
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was more of a question for Graham
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How to win friends and influence people.
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by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus worked in the kitchen when I bartended at La Cocina
I found his have a wife in the US and one in Mexico approach to a bit misogynistic for me.
by Sec 108 on Feb 9, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My wife worked with a guy who has that set up.
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by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kids on both sides, too.
61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?
by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because if he goes down then perhaps people with finally STFU about steroids.
by Robert on Feb 9, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Because depsite my hatred for Peyton Manning,
he still makes way better commercials than Cal.
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The anwser is...
Bobby Ayala
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Arod will still make more money than any other baseball player
Making $275 million over 10 years with incentives for passing Ruth, Aaron and Bonds.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Really, dude
Why? What does this add to the conversation? I know you’re new here, but c’mon. Raise your game a little bit.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Multi-tasking
The other part of that post didn’t…
My question was supposed to be do you think that A-Rod, if he does pass those milestones means less now that we know he took a banned substance?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But what does that have to do with how much money Rodriguez makes?
and no, I don’t. Because that question assumes that, prior to the “steroid era”, no one in the history of MLB ever cheated.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Paying for a cheater
I’m sure the souless Yankees don’t care, but baseball fans should.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't cheat by baseball standards
…But he cheated
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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't make one bit of sense
Baseball standards are what cheating in baseball is judged by.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, you're assuming that prior to steroids nobody ever cheated though
which is a false assumption.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Spitball and Vasaline are different than HGH
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But they're still cheating
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it hurts a lot more injecting vaseline into your butt because that's an off-label use
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue that putting Vaseline into your butt would make your butt hurt less.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
True, but the actual injection would probably be more painful
since it’s not exactly liquid.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell us about it.
Wait – don’t.
61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?
by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
New commerical?
Hilarious
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Spitball Vs HGH
A spitball doesn’t make you throw harder, or perform better, it makes the ball spin more, it also doesn’t help you recover from injury, or affect your petuitary (i think that’s how you spell it) gland.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A spitball doesn't make you perform better?
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Performance enhancing
Throwing a spitball, much like taking HGH or steroids doesn’t instantly make you an all-star. The argument I was trying to make, unsucessfully, was the impact difference between throwing a spitball and taking HGH
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say the immediate returns are greater for throwing a spitball.
by Sec 108 on Feb 9, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only if it crosses the plate
And a batter swings at it.
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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not true.
It immediately gives a pitch to a pitcher arsenal.
by Sec 108 on Feb 9, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A pretty damn good pitch, too.
I used to throw them in intra-squad games in HS. It turned my mediocre slop into one hell of a knuckle-split.
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by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither does taking PEDs
How many AS teams did Ryan Franklin make?
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I read a lot of things wrong
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Buhhhh?!?
If everyone could legally throw pitches that caused like a 20% SwS rate, they would all do it! (20% is a wild guess, but given that the point of the pitch is that it’s a really really fast, completely unpredictable change-up… well I don’t think I’m that far off)
by seattlebruin on Feb 9, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue that
The spitball is worse because only pitchers can benefit from it. Pitchers and hitters can both take HGH. Which is worse for “The Integrity of the Game”?
holy shit its christmas.
by yteimlad on Feb 11, 2009 1:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're really not making sense now
The whole point of a spitball is to make the ball move in an unexpected way, thus fooling the hitter who is expecting a predictable trajectory. This is pretty much the textbook definition of cheating.
It’s pituitary, by the way.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that, but it is clearly outlined in the rules that it cheating
Gaylord Perry was a 1,000,000 times the cheater than A-Rod or Bonds could ever be.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Steroids
Do you honestly think a spitball affects baseball as much as players taking HGH does? That was the point I was trying to make.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cheating is cheating
anything that contravenes the rules is the same as any other thing that contravenes the rules.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Killing babies to get at their blood isn't against MLB rules.
That’s why Cal will get off clean.
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by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank god. I own his rookie card.
61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?
by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a smart guy, that Cal.
He read the rulebook before starting his killing spree.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Gwynn goes on rampage
You know those two were in cahoots
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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What in the name of fuck are you on about?
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!
by abender20 on Feb 9, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Which was my point about A-Rod passing Aaron and Ruth and getting a bonus for doing so.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But....but.....
you don’t agree! You said “spitball and vasaline (sic) are different than HGH”. I said they’re the same. Which is it?
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cheating is Cheating
I agree both are forms of cheating but different degrees of cheating.
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They are indeed
One makes you better and the other might make you better but hasn’t been proven to one way or the other.
by Graham on Feb 9, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Which one?
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In fact
Most of the evidence so far points to HGH being relatively useless for increasing strength. So luckily, lots of athletes have been taking it for results that they will not get, and are subjected the the health risks just the same. Its a pity we couldn’t educate the public and young baseball players about the reality instead of trying to scare the shit out of them.
holy shit its christmas.
by yteimlad on Feb 11, 2009 1:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The proof that HGH makes you a better baseball player is flimsy to date.
The best evidence is that all it does is help you recover faster from injuries.
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which theoretically should help make you a better baseball player
but it would affect longevity a hell of a lot more than SSS records. If Willie took HGH, he still wouldn’t be able to hit home runs.
by seattlebruin on Feb 9, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I often don't make sense
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're Bob Finnegan?
61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?
by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It boggles my mind that people can know this about themselves
and yet continue to post things that don’t make sense.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where's Goose's chart?
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you rather...
I shout and curse that I’m wright and your rong?
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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'd rather you put together a coherent argument
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was uncalled for
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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is, in fact, incredibly called for.
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Malice
Can’t we all just get along?
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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm crossing the line please let me know, mod(s)
stilts -
I’m not trying to randomly piss you off. I’m trying to get you to put a bit more thought into what you say here. You’re new here, so you may not know this, but this is most emphatically NOT a message board – this is not a place where random poorly-thought-out arguments or “A-Roid” nicknames will survive.
It’d be cool if you’d take a little extra time and put some more thought into what you say around here – I understand that it takes a little time to get the tone of a new place, but maybe putting a little more work into seeing what that tone is before posting random contradictory statements would be useful for you.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is your statement.
I often don’t make sense
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/2/9/754066/a-rod-changing-opinions#12095563
It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray
by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather use humor than a pistol
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I'm Steve Phillips
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Spitballs were banned because they were thought to be dangerous
If the ball slips out of your hand and hits the batter in the head, you’re talking about potentially ending someone’s career. The stakes are at least as high as they are with PED use, and the rule about using spitballs was even more explicit.
by ubelmann on Feb 9, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we combined you and ASU Boyd we'd have two sensible arguments
by Graham on Feb 9, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ASU Boyd?
I’m not familiar
http://www.nextseasonsports.com/
by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This might be a good time for you to read the LL Style guide...
61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?
by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a handy link
in case you missed it when you registered.
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you're being compared to ASU Boyd, you are in danger.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Feb 9, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The HR milestone wasn't going to mean much because nobody likes A-Rod in the first place
It wouldn’t be celebrated like it would if, say, Ken Griffey had broken the record. I don’t see how this changes anything.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, neither Bonds nor A-Rod
have been caught doing anything that would invalidate their (potential) records.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I find he confession to be disingenuous myself.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
*hes?
Adopting his accent now?
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by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(I always assume you only screw up one letter at a time)
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by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm not really swayed by it
As Derek wrote over at USSM, we don’t have much (if any) reason to believe this limited admission any more than we had reason to believe his previous denial, which turned out to be false.
by ubelmann on Feb 9, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm watching the entire interview right now on Sportscenter.
I think he is doing a good job, but I don’t believe he is telling the whole truth. His sincerity is real, though. Without going into details, I have been in a similar situation where I had to come forth with answers after doing something unethical. Comparing my confession interviews with the Gammons’ interview, I don’t think A-Rod is being disingenuous. It is a difficult position to be in, but at least he is willing to come forth the way he is. Most people do not know what it is like to be placed in that situation and it’s not something you can plan for.
However, I hid details of my situation and I believe A-Rod is doing so as well. Although the details can be important, the underlying admission is what matters. He is probably spinning a few details, but that those things may drag others into the mess. To be completely open may cause more harm than good for A-Rod and baseball. It’s best for him to admit his guilt and allow others the opportunity to come forth if they are somehow connected to A-Rod’s situation.
I believe A-Rod and I forgive him for making a mistake. He may come off a bit disingenuous, but that can be expected when you are trying to choose your words wisely.
by Wilder. on Feb 9, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see you've shopped Madonna out of the frame
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!
by abender20 on Feb 9, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
She's below. He cropped her out.
61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?
by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was the joke...
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!
by abender20 on Feb 9, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. Hehe. Nothing to see here.
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by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's been way too long since I've seen that guy.
Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism
by esoteric on Feb 9, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
`
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/writers-get-hi
I was almost fooled into thinking Geoff Baker was worth reading again.
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The 1919 White Sox are jumping for joy right now
because some guy shot himself in the butt with a horse drug. Whee!
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be too hard on him...these guys are jumping for joy at this.
It’s news, it’s messy, it allows for mucho pontificating and handwringing, and hey, maybe it’ll sell some papers. Everyone’s going to go off the deep end for the foreseeable future.
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by esoteric on Feb 9, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's easy/lazy so that makes their day
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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly why I will be hard on him.
Because he’s either intentionally sensationalizing the article in order to get views, which I find abominable, or he actually thinks it’s the worst thing ever, which I find incredibly ignorant.
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore, he's paid to be a journalist.
Which means he should be held to a higher standard and that type of story wouldn’t last five minutes on LL if anyone had posted it as a diary.
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if he knows better or not.
But he is more likely than not catering to his viewership, which would probably have much lower standards than the viewers of LL.
by Fin on Feb 9, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, uh...
Bill, if you had to pay a guy $270 million out of your own pocket to not work for you, would you do it? I didn’t think so.
by Wilder. on Feb 9, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't mind A-Rod being SS here in exchange for Yuni
Don’t care what you guys say, I wouldn’t mind having the league’s best hitter. Even though I think most of us here don’t care so much about PEDs as we do about results.
by Fin on Feb 9, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Har, A-Rod's such a PR dope, he'd come back for another 6 years, win 3 championship rings here, then go into the Hall in a Yankee uniform.
That P.O.S., I’ll never forgive him for that.
by Kermit. on Feb 9, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he wins three rings here his Hall of Fame plaque can be me sucking his dick wearing a Red Sox unifrom.
by acblue on Feb 9, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
How do I already have that poster?
61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?
by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you wearing the uniform or is his dick?
by Graham on Feb 9, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hall of Fame Committee probably wouldn't allow the Yankee uniform anyway.
I dunno about the Red Sox uniform, if you’re performing like a champ and that was what you were wearing, sounds ok to me. And thank you for that image seared into my brain.
by Kermit. on Feb 9, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I like that Guns of the Navarone idea, now that there's some life in this team it could use some nicknames.
Players need nicknames, and something better than -Rod kind of stuff. That’s getting pretty played out. Didn’t the Braves staff of the early 90’s have a kick ass nickname?
by Kermit. on Feb 9, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd man.
I don’t care what he does, he can bone any old woman or go to all the strip clubs he wants, as long as he still puts up the numbers I could really give a flying fuck what he does.
by Fin on Feb 9, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Goddamn it.
34% of people are fucking retarded.
There are no good individual basketball statistics.
54!
by joof on Feb 9, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
34% of people apparently do not realize the value of being 9 WAR or of $270M to an MLB franchise
one of these is an acceptable thing for people to understand. The other should be the most basic of all common sense.
by seattlebruin on Feb 9, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"As difficult as it is to imagine eating $270 million, the Bombers will be making a statement"
Yes and that statement is ‘we are magnificently retarded’
by Nick S on Feb 9, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Doug Glanville has a nice piece on Alex in the NYT.
Link.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 7:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I love him because he was proud when Start-o-matic gave him "1" rating on defense.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love him for being intelligent and not ashamed of it.
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How the fuck are Quakers supposed to inspire fear in anyone?
They should call them the Pennsylvania Phighting Phriends.
by acblue on Feb 9, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like how I irrationally love Maurice Jones-Drew
by seattlebruin on Feb 10, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing irrational about it. He's a freak and a Bruin.
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!
by abender20 on Feb 10, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN-bashing is a trite sport nowadays, but this cracked me up.
Steve Levy* was talking about how the prospect of a home run champ who “did it the right way” now has to be put on hold for a while, etc. He basically says that fans would now have to look for another young slugger with the potential to top Bonds’ record . . . then drops this:
“Think Howard, Longoria, Fielder.”
Even ignoring the aging trends of players with his skillset, Ryan Howard is 28 and has 177 homers. Alex had 381 (!!!!) at the age, was in far better shape and was capable of moving faster than a bookcase — and he STILL faces some pretty long odds. We could talk about Longoria’s chances (tiny but existent, I guess) or Fielder’s chances (nonexistent), but throwing Howard’s name out there requires a pretty good sense of humor.
Quite simply, there’s not another A-Rod or Bonds in baseball right now. We’ve been watching two of the ~10 best players in the history of the sport. And I think some people have a hard time admitting that because they don’t like those two guys personally, so by talking up supremely inferior players, they’re able to downplay the accomplishments of a couple of players who are truly exceptional.
*I don’t know how SportsCenter functions, but I’m assuming the anchors don’t write all their stuff. I’m not trying to pick on Levy — just the general idea among sportswriters, broadcasters and fans that Alex Rodriguez is anything less than extraordinary.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 11:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd have to say Pujols would be the most likely after A-Rod
it would help if he rattled of a 50 HR season or two.
by JI on Feb 9, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with you.
I always forget that Pujols is as young as he is.
by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be shocked if Pujols wasn't on steroids or HGH at some point
by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Pujols can do it
sheerly because he is too patient at the plate and all too willing to take the walks that other teams are going to feed him
by seattlebruin on Feb 10, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Bonds started trying to jack pitches around 2000-2001
I just see Pujols as too much of a LD hitter to challenge that record unless everyone starts pitching to him
by seattlebruin on Feb 10, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At first I read that as Steve Phillips.
And I was thinking, why am I not surprised.
by Fin on Feb 9, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well... with advances in modern sports medicine, there's a good likelihood we'll start to see players extending their careers longer than before
which would seem to give Longoria a decent, longevity-based shot. Howard? He’d have to hit ~50 HR/year until he turns 40, and that’s just to match Barry Bonds. So yeah…
by seattlebruin on Feb 10, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, isn't Longoria 24 already?
He’d have to hit like 85 HR/year for the next four years just to catch A-Rod’s pace…
by seattlebruin on Feb 10, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
I always thought he was older. Weird. Oh well, that gives him an even better shot then.
by seattlebruin on Feb 10, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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