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A-Rod: changing opinions?

So A-Rod just admitted to Peter Gammons that he took some form of PED for three years when he was in Texas (01-03).  Story.

I find it fascinating that he's really gonna be the first active, big-name guy to admit to using PEDs.  Giambi sort of did, but he just gave that generic apology for "what I did," and he ended up coming out looking better than most people.

I wonder if this is going to change the way people look at him: whatever people want to say about his lack of clutchness, or hate him for being paid so much, or for using PEDs, you have to admit it takes a certain amount of courage to be fairly forthright about using PEDs.  I think a lot of fans are tired of being lied to, so maybe they cut A-Rod a break for being honest (even if it's after being outed, which is more than could be said about a lot of other guys).

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Damn you.

Free Stephen "Awesome" Strasburg!

by seattlecougar on Feb 9, 2009 11:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

It’s rare we see a professional athlete admit the truth while the rest of the world is still warming up to the news… Too many Floyd Landis/Barry Bonds/Roger Clemens/et al stories out there.
A-Rod may be a cheating d-bag (both on his ex-wife and in the game of baseball), but at least he owns up to being a cheating d-bag.

Free Stephen "Awesome" Strasburg!

by seattlecougar on Feb 9, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Being honest is probably the best thing for him in the long run. His reputation was pretty bad before this PED scandel.

by Fin on Feb 9, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I never hated A-Rod the way some did

but I really gained a lot of respect for him today for copping to it unequivocally.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm the opposite.

If you’re willing to lie about something, lie about it. If he’d stuck to his story or refused to comment it would have shown he had strength in his convictions.

Now he’s just trying to smile really big now that he’s been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

If he was going to admit to it when caught, he shouldn’t have lied about it before.

A-Rod changing his story now has made me lose respect for him, not gain it.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Feb 10, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't take this the wrong way, but you don't seem very Canadian at all.

Do you get that a lot?

You are a man out of step with society. Which is great.

You are the Forgotten Rebels of Canadian LL posters.

by marc w on Feb 10, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone has told me I don't seem Canadian before, no.

Out of step with society, yes.

“Lacks the necessary persuasive skills to support his idiosyncratic positions”? Yes.

Uncanadian? No.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Feb 11, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't give any brownie points to A-Rod for simply taking the best course his PR handlers chose.

He was huddling with Boras and his goons all night last night.

A-Roid and his handlers have seen what happened to Bonds and Clemens. While people who apologize quickly like Pettite and Brian Roberts are cheaply lauded by an easily bought public.

For all the crying for sympathy in this pathetic “interview” (more like bought PR), A-Roid cheated and he’s only sorry for getting caught. Did you get a load of him completely denying that he took any steroids in the Katie Couric interview a little while ago? (Basically saying he was too good to cheat).
The jerk. And I had thought (been fooled that) he was doing it cleanly.

by Sam Regens on Feb 9, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt this makes him look better to most people, because he was pretty widely hated before all of this came out.

If he had been beloved this would make a difference, but when people have a reason to justify their hate of someone, they’re going to hold on to it.

by acblue on Feb 9, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

But was Giambi beloved?

I mean, he was already seen as something of a disappointment in NYC, but I was living there at the time and after he apologized people gave him a surprising amount of credit. I just think fans are tired of being treated like idiots, of being lied to, and maybe this causes people to re-evaluate their opinion of him.

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Feb 9, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Andy Pettitte has largely been forgiven

or at least PEDs aren’t mentioned in every story when he is involved. I think his apology had a lot to do with it and maybe that is why Rodriguez is admitting and apologizing. Of course Rodriguez is viewed differently than Pettitte and probably won’t get a free pass like Pettitte does.

by Jed MC on Feb 9, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And if he's telling the truth about when he did it

didn’t improve his performance at all.

Tools Whore

Sign Bonds!

by Tyler on Feb 9, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't this kind of the point that's lost in all this?

I mean, either he’s lying about the time frame or the PEDs had little measurable effect, unless they kept him healthier or something

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Feb 9, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait

How in the world can you say this? He might have stopped, but he also might have started using something else less detectable.

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Feb 9, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just an assumption.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Feb 9, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm finding it harder to hate on him

I admit to being one of the tiny-minded people that still boos A-Rod when he comes to town. Mainly because it’s fun and I have to wring every possible ounce of fun out of M’s games these days. But assuming he’s not using the admission of a limited, two-to-three year period of PED use to cover for a longer period of use…this is a stand-up move. Add that to the pity I feel for anyone caught in Madonna’s inexplicably sticky web of affections and it’s getting a lot harder to hate the guy.

by short on Feb 9, 2009 12:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I switched a few years ago. I was there in 01 when he first came back, and I booed the hell out of him. But I was living in New York when he got traded to the Yankees, and got so sick of all the Yankee fans saying Jeter was better, that I had to start rooting for him. Which is funny, because I never particularly liked him as an M.

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Feb 9, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't dislike him at all until 2004

when he slapped the ball from Bronson Arroyo’s glove, said he didn’t do it, and then when caught on camera claimed he didn’t know it was against the rules.

If he didn’t know it was against the rules, why did he deny it in the first place?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Feb 9, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad he came clean, but I'm still really really upset that he took PED.

I wanted A-Rod to be clean so that when he becomes the HR king, we could forget about the Bond’s bullshit once and for all. I guess we’ll just have to hope that Pujols is clean and hits 800 HR.

You made a mistake Alex, but I’m glad you came clean.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Feb 9, 2009 12:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if the anonymous testing in 2003 might have encouraged drug use.

If a player thought the 5% threshhold would be cleared, then he had to know that 2003 was the last year he could ever use PEDs without penalty. So, might as well pad those stats while you can, right?

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Feb 9, 2009 12:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I had a related thought

When I was about 5 years old, I got in a shoving match with some kid at day care. The adult in charge told us to stop, I stupidly did stop, got shoved one more time, the back of my head hit the corner of a coffee table, and I got stitches for it.

You can’t stop fighting until you know the other guy is also going to stop. If you know that there’s no penalty for PED use, and you know that the other guy fighting for your roster spot is using PEDs, then it makes no sense to stop using them until there’s a real penalty.

by ubelmann on Feb 9, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting poll on ESPN's front page right now, asking if A-Rod's apology makes you forgive him.

The three choices are Yes, No and Nothing to forgive. What I find interesting is the state-by-state breakdown. WA and New England voted No, which isn’t a surprise given Seattle and Boston influences, but so did Minnesota, South Dakota and Nebraska. What’s up there?

Three states voted Nothing to forgive: Alaska, Mississippi and North Dakota. If someone can come up with a baseball theory to link those three states together I would be amused to read it.

Poll Link

by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

North and South Dakotans hate one another with a vivid, burning passion and will always seek to take up opposing views on any subject.

It’s like a replay of the Civil War in irrelevant miniature.

That’s my explanation and I’m sticking to it.

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Feb 9, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Alaska, Mississippi, and North Dakota don't play baseball

A-Rod cheating in baseball is therefore irrelevant to them.

by Graham on Feb 9, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My roommate who's a ND native is a passionate twins fan

Maybe its an attitude of survival. Do whatever it takes to survive. I know for a fact that a large population people shouldn’t survive in alaska or north dakota. The Mississippi connection I’m not sure about.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 9, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Minnesota thing is kind of interesting

I don’t know how common this is amongst franchises, but Minnesota’s PR line going back to when Tom Kelly took over was that they do things “the right way.” Fans have been completely indoctrinated to the point that they take up crazy positions like, say, that it doesn’t hurt the team to be last in the league in home runs. Taking PED is the opposite of “doing things the right way,” so they may be less willing to forgive.

It’s also hypocritical, though, since no one really cared that Juan Rincon actually got caught failing a test. And going outside of baseball to MN sports in general, no one seemed to care that Pat and Kevin Williams took weight-loss drugs that were specifically forbidden in their contracts so that they could make weight to earn a bonus.

When A-Rod opted out of his contract last off-season, I suggested to some of my friends that if the Twins could support a $100M payroll, it would make all the sense in the world to sign A-Rod. The Twins have had a big need at third base ever since Corey Koskie left, and Mauer-Rodriguez-Morneau would look awfully damned good on a lineup card. Everyone I talked to was 10,000% opposed to this idea, though, since A-Rod doesn’t play baseball “the Twins way.” This was rather frustrating.

by ubelmann on Feb 9, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The people that were most likely to vote first were not at work?

As people with full time day jobs get off work and catch up on the internet, the status of the states is likely to change?

This is presuming a lifestyle difference between people that work full time, and people that don’t.

by Kermit. on Feb 9, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Another poll on A-Rod in the HOF

Somehow 14% never thought he deserved to be in it. 14% of people need to lower their standards.

by Mariner John on Feb 9, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I may be a hater, but I'm not that blinded.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There's the possibility that those 14% of people take the BBWAA's guide to judge a player by character and accomplishment

and decided he doesn’t deserve it for the whole cheating on his wife thing, but still… I mean, Ty Cobb is in the Hall of Fame

by seattlebruin on Feb 9, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How can he not be a HOF?

he was a 40-40 guy clean, its pretty obvious. Roids don’t enhance your hand/eye unless you count quick twitch muscles where i would here an argument. But nevertheless all this talk of him not getting in the HOF now seems ridiculous.

by duckyou on Feb 9, 2009 1:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We will never know just when he was 'clean' pre 2004.

I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.

by EnglishMariner on Feb 9, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have read somewhere

That some substances can improve reaction times, but I can’t find any evidence right now to back it up. Something about the efficiency of transmission of impulses and the ability to react more quickly because of this in combination with increased strength.

holy shit its christmas.

by yteimlad on Feb 11, 2009 1:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I admit to being a full-fledged ARod hater, for reasons both nonsensical and rational.

This just makes me feel bad for him. They were all supposed to be given amnesty by taking this anonymous test, and neither turns out to be true.

Coming from a security background, I wonder what the MLBFO were thinking in keeping these records, and why the MLBPA didn’t insist that everything was destroyed after testing was complete. It seems there should be a lawsuit in here somewhere. Data is power, and the fact that this was kept created a lot of power that had no good use for anyone except for journalists and book writers.

Good on him for trying to get this over and done with. Finally a news saga that he tries to end instead of stand in the middle of and elongate.

I think that now there is living proof that PEDs do absolutely nothing from the good end as well as the bad end (Morse, etc.). Before 01 = 01-03 = 03-present. That’s it, argument over.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 1:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I wish

That the scare mongering would end and some studies could be done to determine the effects of these substances on athletes in complex sporting events like baseball. There are so many people who take steroids just to look good, can’t we ease up the restrictions on these substances to find out exactly what they do? There is a ready to go sample population at every gym in America. But I guess then we would lose the war on drugs and the evil-doers would win.

holy shit its christmas.

by yteimlad on Feb 11, 2009 1:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for your honesty, Alex.

I’m disheartened that he tested positive. Not because I see him as any less amazing, but because I know he’s going to be even more reviled. I root for A-Rod and want to see him succeed. He’s absolutely responsible and will have to live with that, but it’s nice to see him stand up and admit it.

I really hope this is the beginning of a flood of names. I want fans to see that it wasn’t just the evil home run hitters like A-Rod and Bonds taking steroids — that it also included a lot of “good guys.” I want to see some local icons and fan favorites named, because I want people to understand how normal it was. Maybe then we can move on.

I want to see Eckstein on that list.

by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 1:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm kinda the same way, although I fear that names of people held in very high esteem by Mariners fans would be involved in such a flood

and the revelation that certain players used steroids would probably be enough to turn some fans off to the game. As silly as I think that is, it would be a shame.

by acblue on Feb 9, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It definitely wouldn't be fun. I guess I would see it more as cleansing.

Maybe I’m being idealistic, but I want to believe that baseball fans can be rational and accept that it was common — and now we have a pretty strong testing program with real repercussions — so while it’s unfortunate, it’s over* and MLB has taken steps to prevent it in the future.

*cheating will obviously never be over, but you know what I mean. It’s now against the rules, and players are tested frequently. Taking PEDs is a much bigger gamble today than it was five or 10 years ago.

by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think of older people who have been Mariners fans for thirty years, and I think of their reaction to finding out their favorite players juiced

and it breaks my heart. It would be better for the game in the long-run, I think, but it would still suck in the short-term.

by acblue on Feb 9, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I only worry about Beltre,

because he’s already so ridiculously overcriticized by writers and many fans.

Not to turn this into a steroid-speculation subthread, of course. That’s just the one thing that I do worry about.

by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you really?

I’m kind of sick of seeing baseball poster children go down.

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

If that’s what I will take people to stop making assumption about who used and who did not.

Put Jamie Moyer on that list too.

by JI on Feb 9, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mass-Test

If we’re going to do that we might as well test everyone.

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I want to see Hank Aaron leave that revalation in a note somewhere when he dies.

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Or

Just some frank discussion about amphetamines and how they can improve alertness, focus, and reaction times. You know, rather than this holier than thou bit that he and others have been putting on for the last 8 years.

One of the best things I have seen during this whole mess was Bob Gibson saying that if these substances were available to him, he would have taken them. Willie Mays has also said that he would have considered it. Sometimes you forget that there are people who play sports professionally who recognize the complexity of the decisions we have to make. Unlike Roy Oswalt, for example.

holy shit its christmas.

by yteimlad on Feb 11, 2009 1:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cal Ripkin Jr.

There are no good individual basketball statistics.
54!

by joof on Feb 9, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

SI knew I don't think he did...

SI said they knew what he took, “testosterone and Primobolan, an anabolic steroid,” but Rodriguez didn’t know what he tested postive for.

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why does it matter, though?

He’s admitted to taking them. What does it matter what he specifically took?

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not what he took, but now knowing what he took.

My question as a reporter is, do you think he’d EVER admit to using steroids if these files weren’t subpoenaed for the Bonds case?

I don’t think for a second he would.

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you actually a reporter?

(not snark, genuinely curious)

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Reporter

I am, I was trying to break the A-Rod story in conjuction with Peter Gammons interview.

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a blog written by Western students

One of them emailed me to try and get a link on the Sounders page of ASN

by Nick S on Feb 9, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Reporter

Right now I’m working for the site below. I was in the running to work at the PI or the Times as an online reporter but I think we all know how that turned out. I’m hopefully going to go work for MLB.com. But they’re not hiring until they see some budget projections from their tv channel.

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't.

But he got caught and he owned up to it. A lot of other players haven’t done that.

by acblue on Feb 9, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who told him to own up?

I seriously doubt it was Scott Boars or Madonna, I’m trying to find out if Andy Pettite had anything to do with it. What might be more interesting is the story about Orza tipping off A-Rod.

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you assume someone told him to do it?

Is it impossible that A-Rod said “Well, I got caught so I guess I should come clean”?

by acblue on Feb 9, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Come clean

It’s not impossible to think that, but why respond so quickly to the allegations, “You’ll have to speak to the [baseball] union, I’m not saying anything.” Only to tell Peter Gammons 48 hours later, “I’m guilty of a lot of things.”

It’s seems genuine, but forced at the same time.

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he had to ask the union what their stance was?

It's hard to convince people to let you eat them if you're an asshole. - Thingray

by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly would you come clean if you didn't have to?

It’s noble and everything but he would be more of a pariah.

by Mariner John on Feb 9, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd hope I wouldn't have to make that choice

I understand he was under more pressue than David Bowie and Freddy Mercury but he didn’t need to take steroids

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but there's really no need to admit it if you don't have to.

It’s different from those two. It’s a ridiculous expectation to put on someone.

by Mariner John on Feb 9, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

My guess is that he took more than just what the tests revealed. And that he did not want to release information that would be of a further detriment. Or that he was taking so many things at the time that were legal/illegal/questionable that he honestly could not remember.

holy shit its christmas.

by yteimlad on Feb 11, 2009 1:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad Form

I’ll make more posts without my own links. I thought it the best way for all to see who I am.

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Self-links are somewhat OK

but please be sure to identify them as such, and don’t do it constantly. If you have a blog of your own, maybe link it in your sig.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Spam

I hope you didn’t think I was trying to Spam, or actually annoy anyone here. I have a huge ego and I figured fans of this site would like to read some of my reports and videos.

No malice intended.

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Spam

I’m make sure I limit the ego posts.

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is sensationalist writing

According to your link he did know what he was taking, he just didn’t know which he tested positive for.

by Fogel on Feb 9, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you have an axe to grind please grind it elsewhere

We get that you are dubious. But self-linking is probably not the best way to prove your point. Nor is using “A-Roid” or “A-Fraud”.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No ax

I don’t have an ax to grind, but I did think about all the Mariners fans throwing monopoly money when Rodriguez returned to SafeCo feild that season.

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Ax Slander?

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just used what the New York media was calling him

Come on, that’s a great headline

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Biff McLargehuge

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Feb 9, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Slab Bulkhead

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Feb 9, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Chest Riprock

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Feb 9, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Chunk McSlabbage

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn. Late with the "slab."

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lump Beefrock

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Feb 9, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Punt Speedchunk

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Feb 9, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brick Crochlump

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lt. Biceps Tinygonad

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Feb 9, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How is this not libel?

if A-Roids is?

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And I wasn't?

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Again, we're making fun of people who make fun of his sexuality.

It probably looks bad to an outsider, but this is an established joke around here, and we’re not actually calling A-Rod gay. We’re impersonating idiots.

by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Impersonating

Doens’t that give their opinions and jokes value?

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, it makes fun of them.

Sorry if this sounds like I’m talking down to you, but the joke is basically this:

“Hey, look at me, I’m a headline writer or low-brain-activity baseball fan, and I’m going to show A-Rod just how much of a loser he is by calling him names.”

Imagine, say, David Cross doing a standup bit about bigots in Atlanta. He takes on a thick Southern accent and uses the word “faggot” to describe anyone he doesn’t like. David Cross is not therefore a bigot. He’s the opposite, because he’s condemning something by impersonating an idiot and holding his bigotry up in the air to be laughed at and looked down upon.

by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And we know this because we know Matthew.

Familiarity makes it possible to make this joke effectively, because those of us at LL understand his personality. We don’t know you, so if “A-Fraud” is some sort of elaborate bit of irony that’s just flying over all our heads, we’re nonetheless not familiar enough with you to understand a joke you’re trying to make.

by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A-Fruad

Isn’t what I used. And I guess I’m not as clever as I thought. Using phrases like:

Also, I should clarify:
He is a homo who chokes, not a person who chokes homos.

Doesn’t really ring brilliance in my opinion. I’m all about stirring the pot and controversey but there’s a huge difference between David Cross doing a stand-up bit about southern racisim and a couple guys on LL making gay-bashing jokes in some sort of impersonation of idiots, while telling me that I should rise above the chaff.

Maybe I’m missing the joke

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the problem right there

I’m all about stirring the pot and controversey

That doesn’t really fly around here. Please, read the Style Guide that’s been linked elsewhere; it’ll help.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Stirring the pot

Calling A-roid is horrible, but calling him Gay Fraud is acceptable?

On what planet does that make any sense?

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Comedy gold?

Oh, no, irony.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How could You Oughtta Know be so good

and the rest of her catalouge so bad?

by JI on Feb 9, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The planet where

a lot of us know each other (or at the very least, know each other’s posting style very well) and UNDERSTAND THE TONE OF THE PLACE. I cannot stress this enough. You’re new here, take some time to read through some threads and get to know where we’re coming from before you pass judgment.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Passing Judgement

None of you know anything about me. Talk about hypocracy

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't presume to know anything about you, sir

but you presume you know we’re all gay-bashing idiots, when we’re truly not.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Presumption

Everything posted has been about the presumption based on me calling Alex Rodriguez A-Roid because he admitted to using steriods.

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am so happy you showed up today.

We’re going to get at least two running jokes out this.

by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I aim to please

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Please. Read and understand this.

You are new here. This means you have no history here, which in turn means we don’t know you. Thus, WE DON’T KNOW IF YOU’RE KIDDING OR NOT.

This website is a community of people that’s hung out here for a looooong time; that breeds a familiarity that you do not share with us. Yet.

Stick around long enough, and you’ll get the tone. Assume you know what’s going on in your first day here, though, and there’s nothing I can do. Until that point, do not assume ANYTHING about anyone.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yo Jeff, is there any way to fix/increase the margins inside threads?

Because the way these reponses all end up pancaking together into one column makes this shit tres impossible to follow along with.

Is it just a limitation of the SBNation format you’re stuck with?

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Feb 9, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

You’re the one accusing us of harboring anti-gay sentiments. All we’ve accused you of is writing a bad headline.

by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Like you said

It probably looks bad to an outsider, but this is an established joke around here, and we’re not actually calling A-Rod gay. We’re impersonating idiots.

You’re right. It did look bad.

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You don't get to use "we" yet

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We

Was part of a quote from Teej

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Retracted with apologies

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A tip

putting quote in italics, inside a blockquote or surrounded by those aptly named quotation marks makes quotes far more identifiable.

by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you

It was an incredibly offensive display and if I were new here I would certainly be discouraged by the immaturity shown in the comments of this fanpost.

by Fogel on Feb 9, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe this is happening after the "LL QC" thread.

I’ll allow J/M/G to handle the situation, although I think PDB has had constructive input.

by Wilder. on Feb 9, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm trying the high road

and this thread has been a lot saner than a lot of other newbie pileons, so that’s gotta count for something.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we've been overly nice in trying to explain that we're not a big pile of gay-bashers.

This is exactly what the LLQC called for — patience and friendliness from regulars when talking to new people.

by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

SHUT UP LOSER

sorry. Knee jerk reaction. I don’t know what came over me.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One final time

You put A-Roid in a headline. We don’t know you, and are therefore forced to presume that you’re being serious.

The A-Rod = gay jokes are (A) made in the comments section of a fanpost on a blog, and (B) were ironic.

by Jeff on Feb 9, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, maybe I'll just make it plainly obvious:

We’re calling him Gay-Fraud in order to make fun of you calling him A-Roid.

by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This brings up a good question:

Bigger waster of time: Michael Phelps story or A-Rod story?

by Mariner John on Feb 9, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He really should be thanking A-Rod.

If SI didn’t post that story then we would still be hearing about Michael Phelps and that would do nothing but make a great athlete question himself even more.

by Kirkharbaugh on Feb 9, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Phelps by a lot

It’s not like we have to wonder whether smoking a bowl before jumping in the pool helped him win eight gold medals.

Phelps is a kid who is trying to actually enjoy his young years for a few minutes before the next 16-hour practice session and media junket. I’m glad I’m not famous, because I’d be toast.

by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Micheal Phelps

weed doesn’t make you swim faster

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Phelps

Swimming is fucking boring

by Graham on Feb 9, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless it's Sea weed

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair...it's really libel, if anything

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Feb 9, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Libel

Cheating on his wife with Madonna made A-Rod libel-proof.

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care about his personal life.

And I don’t think we know enough about his private life to judge him.

by JI on Feb 9, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You can't justify something like that.

People who shoplift aren’t just allowed to have things stolen from them for the rest of their lives. Plus what he didn’t isn’t even illegal while libel is.

by Mariner John on Feb 9, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Public Figure

A-Rod is a public figure, if I call him A-Roid it doesn’t damage his image. The SI article might, but if it’s true then its not libel.

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Chaff?

And praise him for taking steroids?

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, that's not what I meant.

Aren’t you a journalist?

I mean you might try not stooping to everybody else’s level.

by Jeff on Feb 9, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunatly...

It doesn’t pay the bills.

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ambassador?

No one in their right mind would make me an ambassador

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What are we talking about anymore?

The bottom line is that if you want to contribute in any way to the greater discussion, then you should find a new angle, because there are already plenty of Holy Writers and angry nobodies taking the A-Roid route.

by Jeff on Feb 9, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If he's a journalist you're Studs Terkel

(sorry, but “writing for a sports blog” does not a journalist make)

(feel free to hide this if I’ve crossed the line)

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's

You can use the word you. It takes a lot to offend me. The blog isn’t the only place I work as a journalist.

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you also Jemele Hill?

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by abender20 on Feb 9, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't addressing you

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's my favorite American journalist

at least I consider him a journalist. Story-gatherer? Chronicler of life? Anyway, he’s awesome.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A good portion of what I know about the Great Depression

is from reading his work. Awesome stuff that goes well beyond the surface.

by Sec 108 on Feb 9, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Chaff gets ratings.

Intelligence and research does not.

by Mariner John on Feb 9, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are bandying about links to your blog here,

I guess you are a public figure now too huh?

by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Public Figure

I’ve been a public figure longer than I’d like to admit to.

http://www.nextseasonsports.com/

by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just googled you

and most of the links are to nextseasonsports. And there aren’t that many.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I find that hard to believe and google does nothing to support your statement

Some of us may be fools on this site but it is wrong to prey on them.

by Robert on Feb 9, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude - go easy on him. He's famous.

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by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bonds V Rodriguez

Who’s more hateable?

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cal Ripken Jr?

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by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Iron Man

How can you have an ill feeling towards Cal?

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard he asphyxiated orphans

and used their blood to supplement his own. Jerk.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ghandi, Mandela, Jesus

Do you hate them too?

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Give me time

You’ll think I’m cool just like everyone else, then you’ll hate yourself for thinking I’m cool, just like everyone else

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How to win friends and influence people.

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by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus worked in the kitchen when I bartended at La Cocina

I found his have a wife in the US and one in Mexico approach to a bit misogynistic for me.

by Sec 108 on Feb 9, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My wife worked with a guy who has that set up.

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by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kids on both sides, too.

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because depsite my hatred for Peyton Manning,

he still makes way better commercials than Cal.

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by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The anwser is...

Bobby Ayala

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Arod will still make more money than any other baseball player

Making $275 million over 10 years with incentives for passing Ruth, Aaron and Bonds.

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Really, dude

Why? What does this add to the conversation? I know you’re new here, but c’mon. Raise your game a little bit.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Multi-tasking

The other part of that post didn’t…

My question was supposed to be do you think that A-Rod, if he does pass those milestones means less now that we know he took a banned substance?

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But what does that have to do with how much money Rodriguez makes?

and no, I don’t. Because that question assumes that, prior to the “steroid era”, no one in the history of MLB ever cheated.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Paying for a cheater

I’m sure the souless Yankees don’t care, but baseball fans should.

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't cheat by baseball standards

…But he cheated

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't make one bit of sense

Baseball standards are what cheating in baseball is judged by.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Again, you're assuming that prior to steroids nobody ever cheated though

which is a false assumption.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But they're still cheating

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Spitball Vs HGH

A spitball doesn’t make you throw harder, or perform better, it makes the ball spin more, it also doesn’t help you recover from injury, or affect your petuitary (i think that’s how you spell it) gland.

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Performance enhancing

Throwing a spitball, much like taking HGH or steroids doesn’t instantly make you an all-star. The argument I was trying to make, unsucessfully, was the impact difference between throwing a spitball and taking HGH

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Only if it crosses the plate

And a batter swings at it.

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not true.

It immediately gives a pitch to a pitcher arsenal.

by Sec 108 on Feb 9, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A pretty damn good pitch, too.

I used to throw them in intra-squad games in HS. It turned my mediocre slop into one hell of a knuckle-split.

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by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Neither does taking PEDs

How many AS teams did Ryan Franklin make?

by JI on Feb 9, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nevermind

I read that wrong

by JI on Feb 9, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I read a lot of things wrong

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Buhhhh?!?

If everyone could legally throw pitches that caused like a 20% SwS rate, they would all do it! (20% is a wild guess, but given that the point of the pitch is that it’s a really really fast, completely unpredictable change-up… well I don’t think I’m that far off)

by seattlebruin on Feb 9, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would argue that

The spitball is worse because only pitchers can benefit from it. Pitchers and hitters can both take HGH. Which is worse for “The Integrity of the Game”?

holy shit its christmas.

by yteimlad on Feb 11, 2009 1:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're really not making sense now

The whole point of a spitball is to make the ball move in an unexpected way, thus fooling the hitter who is expecting a predictable trajectory. This is pretty much the textbook definition of cheating.

It’s pituitary, by the way.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not only that, but it is clearly outlined in the rules that it cheating

Gaylord Perry was a 1,000,000 times the cheater than A-Rod or Bonds could ever be.

by JI on Feb 9, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Steroids

Do you honestly think a spitball affects baseball as much as players taking HGH does? That was the point I was trying to make.

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cheating is cheating

anything that contravenes the rules is the same as any other thing that contravenes the rules.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Killing babies to get at their blood isn't against MLB rules.

That’s why Cal will get off clean.

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by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank god. I own his rookie card.

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by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's a smart guy, that Cal.

He read the rulebook before starting his killing spree.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Tony Gwynn goes on rampage

You know those two were in cahoots

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What in the name of fuck are you on about?

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by abender20 on Feb 9, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Which was my point about A-Rod passing Aaron and Ruth and getting a bonus for doing so.

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But....but.....

you don’t agree! You said “spitball and vasaline (sic) are different than HGH”. I said they’re the same. Which is it?

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cheating is Cheating

I agree both are forms of cheating but different degrees of cheating.

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They are indeed

One makes you better and the other might make you better but hasn’t been proven to one way or the other.

by Graham on Feb 9, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Which one?

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In fact

Most of the evidence so far points to HGH being relatively useless for increasing strength. So luckily, lots of athletes have been taking it for results that they will not get, and are subjected the the health risks just the same. Its a pity we couldn’t educate the public and young baseball players about the reality instead of trying to scare the shit out of them.

holy shit its christmas.

by yteimlad on Feb 11, 2009 1:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The proof that HGH makes you a better baseball player is flimsy to date.

The best evidence is that all it does is help you recover faster from injuries.

by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Which theoretically should help make you a better baseball player

but it would affect longevity a hell of a lot more than SSS records. If Willie took HGH, he still wouldn’t be able to hit home runs.

by seattlebruin on Feb 9, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I often don't make sense

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So you're Bob Finnegan?

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by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It boggles my mind that people can know this about themselves

and yet continue to post things that don’t make sense.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Where's Goose's chart?

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by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Would you rather...

I shout and curse that I’m wright and your rong?

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That was uncalled for

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Malice

Can’t we all just get along?

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If I'm crossing the line please let me know, mod(s)

stilts -

I’m not trying to randomly piss you off. I’m trying to get you to put a bit more thought into what you say here. You’re new here, so you may not know this, but this is most emphatically NOT a message board – this is not a place where random poorly-thought-out arguments or “A-Roid” nicknames will survive.

It’d be cool if you’d take a little extra time and put some more thought into what you say around here – I understand that it takes a little time to get the tone of a new place, but maybe putting a little more work into seeing what that tone is before posting random contradictory statements would be useful for you.

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by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is your statement.
I often don’t make sense

http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/2/9/754066/a-rod-changing-opinions#12095563

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by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather use humor than a pistol

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I'm Steve Phillips

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by mlbstilts2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Spitballs were banned because they were thought to be dangerous

If the ball slips out of your hand and hits the batter in the head, you’re talking about potentially ending someone’s career. The stakes are at least as high as they are with PED use, and the rule about using spitballs was even more explicit.

by ubelmann on Feb 9, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The HR milestone wasn't going to mean much because nobody likes A-Rod in the first place

It wouldn’t be celebrated like it would if, say, Ken Griffey had broken the record. I don’t see how this changes anything.

by JI on Feb 9, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, neither Bonds nor A-Rod

have been caught doing anything that would invalidate their (potential) records.

by JI on Feb 9, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

*hes?

Adopting his accent now?

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by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

(I always assume you only screw up one letter at a time)

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by Faux on Feb 9, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm not really swayed by it

As Derek wrote over at USSM, we don’t have much (if any) reason to believe this limited admission any more than we had reason to believe his previous denial, which turned out to be false.

by ubelmann on Feb 9, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm watching the entire interview right now on Sportscenter.

I think he is doing a good job, but I don’t believe he is telling the whole truth. His sincerity is real, though. Without going into details, I have been in a similar situation where I had to come forth with answers after doing something unethical. Comparing my confession interviews with the Gammons’ interview, I don’t think A-Rod is being disingenuous. It is a difficult position to be in, but at least he is willing to come forth the way he is. Most people do not know what it is like to be placed in that situation and it’s not something you can plan for.

However, I hid details of my situation and I believe A-Rod is doing so as well. Although the details can be important, the underlying admission is what matters. He is probably spinning a few details, but that those things may drag others into the mess. To be completely open may cause more harm than good for A-Rod and baseball. It’s best for him to admit his guilt and allow others the opportunity to come forth if they are somehow connected to A-Rod’s situation.

I believe A-Rod and I forgive him for making a mistake. He may come off a bit disingenuous, but that can be expected when you are trying to choose your words wisely.

by Wilder. on Feb 9, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I see you've shopped Madonna out of the frame

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Feb 9, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

She's below. He cropped her out.

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That was the joke...

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!

by abender20 on Feb 9, 2009 4:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh. Hehe. Nothing to see here.

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

`

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/writers-get-hi

I was almost fooled into thinking Geoff Baker was worth reading again.

by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The 1919 White Sox are jumping for joy right now

because some guy shot himself in the butt with a horse drug. Whee!

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Feb 9, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be too hard on him...these guys are jumping for joy at this.

It’s news, it’s messy, it allows for mucho pontificating and handwringing, and hey, maybe it’ll sell some papers. Everyone’s going to go off the deep end for the foreseeable future.

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Feb 9, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly why I will be hard on him.

Because he’s either intentionally sensationalizing the article in order to get views, which I find abominable, or he actually thinks it’s the worst thing ever, which I find incredibly ignorant.

by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Furthermore, he's paid to be a journalist.

Which means he should be held to a higher standard and that type of story wouldn’t last five minutes on LL if anyone had posted it as a diary.

by Matthew on Feb 9, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if he knows better or not.

But he is more likely than not catering to his viewership, which would probably have much lower standards than the viewers of LL.

by Fin on Feb 9, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, uh...

Bill, if you had to pay a guy $270 million out of your own pocket to not work for you, would you do it? I didn’t think so.

by Wilder. on Feb 9, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't mind A-Rod being SS here in exchange for Yuni

Don’t care what you guys say, I wouldn’t mind having the league’s best hitter. Even though I think most of us here don’t care so much about PEDs as we do about results.

by Fin on Feb 9, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How do I already have that poster?

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 9, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hall of Fame Committee probably wouldn't allow the Yankee uniform anyway.

I dunno about the Red Sox uniform, if you’re performing like a champ and that was what you were wearing, sounds ok to me. And thank you for that image seared into my brain.

by Kermit. on Feb 9, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And I like that Guns of the Navarone idea, now that there's some life in this team it could use some nicknames.

Players need nicknames, and something better than -Rod kind of stuff. That’s getting pretty played out. Didn’t the Braves staff of the early 90’s have a kick ass nickname?

by Kermit. on Feb 9, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd man.

I don’t care what he does, he can bone any old woman or go to all the strip clubs he wants, as long as he still puts up the numbers I could really give a flying fuck what he does.

by Fin on Feb 9, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Goddamn it.

34% of people are fucking retarded.

There are no good individual basketball statistics.
54!

by joof on Feb 9, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

34% of people apparently do not realize the value of being 9 WAR or of $270M to an MLB franchise

one of these is an acceptable thing for people to understand. The other should be the most basic of all common sense.

by seattlebruin on Feb 9, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN-bashing is a trite sport nowadays, but this cracked me up.

Steve Levy* was talking about how the prospect of a home run champ who “did it the right way” now has to be put on hold for a while, etc. He basically says that fans would now have to look for another young slugger with the potential to top Bonds’ record . . . then drops this:

“Think Howard, Longoria, Fielder.”

Even ignoring the aging trends of players with his skillset, Ryan Howard is 28 and has 177 homers. Alex had 381 (!!!!) at the age, was in far better shape and was capable of moving faster than a bookcase — and he STILL faces some pretty long odds. We could talk about Longoria’s chances (tiny but existent, I guess) or Fielder’s chances (nonexistent), but throwing Howard’s name out there requires a pretty good sense of humor.

Quite simply, there’s not another A-Rod or Bonds in baseball right now. We’ve been watching two of the ~10 best players in the history of the sport. And I think some people have a hard time admitting that because they don’t like those two guys personally, so by talking up supremely inferior players, they’re able to downplay the accomplishments of a couple of players who are truly exceptional.

*I don’t know how SportsCenter functions, but I’m assuming the anchors don’t write all their stuff. I’m not trying to pick on Levy — just the general idea among sportswriters, broadcasters and fans that Alex Rodriguez is anything less than extraordinary.

by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 11:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd have to say Pujols would be the most likely after A-Rod

it would help if he rattled of a 50 HR season or two.

by JI on Feb 9, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree with you.

I always forget that Pujols is as young as he is.

by Teej on Feb 9, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Pujols can do it

sheerly because he is too patient at the plate and all too willing to take the walks that other teams are going to feed him

by seattlebruin on Feb 10, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Barry Bonds started trying to jack pitches around 2000-2001

I just see Pujols as too much of a LD hitter to challenge that record unless everyone starts pitching to him

by seattlebruin on Feb 10, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At first I read that as Steve Phillips.

And I was thinking, why am I not surprised.

by Fin on Feb 9, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well... with advances in modern sports medicine, there's a good likelihood we'll start to see players extending their careers longer than before

which would seem to give Longoria a decent, longevity-based shot. Howard? He’d have to hit ~50 HR/year until he turns 40, and that’s just to match Barry Bonds. So yeah…

by seattlebruin on Feb 10, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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