Adrian Beltre's life is amusingly cyclical
1998-2000
Beltre joins the Dodgers as an extremely promising player who had demolished the minor leagues. After a slow start, he begins to live up to his potential as a future star over the 1999 and 2000 seasons. I just found this out while looking him up, but there was a brief foreshadowing to his future almost before his career in the Majors even began.
(In reference to the 1998-99 offseason) Adrian almost became a Seattle Mariner that off-season, as the key man in a deal that would have sent Randy Johnson to the Dodgers. Seattle ownership nixed the deal before it ever got off the ground, however. An excerpt from an online biography
2001-2003
An emergency appendectomy is botched, requiring a second surgery to fix, and impairs Beltre’s 2001 season. His development in 2002 & 2003 is disguised by bad luck: a .273 BABiP in ’02 and a terrible .253 ( that would have been an even worse .243 if not for a .325 mark in September).
2004
The season starts out with a change in ownership and a change in GM (Paul DePodesta, who is rumored to have been hired to cut salary while presenting a successful on-field product). Adrian Beltre discovers shortly before the season that he has bone spurs in his ankle, and the Dodgers are generally picked to finish last. Beltre goes crazy.
2005-2006
Beltre signs with the Mariners as an extremely promising player who demolished the NL the previous year. After a slow start, he begins to demonstrate his value in Seattle.
2007-2008
Adrian starts 2007 off well, batting .280/.324/.492 through May 31st, his best start since 2004 when he batted .314/.338/.555 through May, when he dives for a ball in Texas, unknowingly tearing a ligament in his thumb. He plays through the season, having, easily, the worst June of his career, but finishes with a respectable, though not awe inspiring, batting line. An injury that was originally believed to be a strained shoulder muscle in September, turns out to be bone spurs, and Adrian discovers that his thumb will require surgery shortly before the 2008 season. He plays through the discomfort and bad luck to put up numbers slightly less than his 2007 numbers. The Mariners hire a new GM and expect to pare down payroll.
To review, Adrian Beltre’s career:
Dodgers;
Promise, moderate success, mistreated injury, bad luck, bone spurs, new sabermetric inclined GM reducing payroll, wild success
Mariners;
Promise, moderate success, mistreated injury, bone spurs, bad luck, new sabermetric inclined GM reducing payroll….
So, the point of this was to point out that Adrian Beltre’s 2004 wasn’t a crazy fluke, but instead was simply a career year with moderate good luck. I base this idea mostly on his 2007 and how awesome it should have been. Below are 3 sets of statistics indicating what might have been
2007-No June
PA AB H 2B 3B HR SF BB IBB SO HBP ROE SB CS BABiP
573 532 152 37 2 25 4 35 2 96 1 5 13 2 .306
.286/.326/.504/.830 wOBA: .357* – 12.48 BRAA
2007-2 Mays
690 643 186 49 2 31 4 41 2 112 1 6 17 2 .308
.289/.329/.516/.845 wOBA: .364* – 19.08 BRAA
2007-2 Julys
691 634 184 48 2 31 5 49 4 117 2 6 15 2 .313
.290/.337/.519/.856 wOBA: .368* – 21.36 BRAA
(*I’m counting stolen bases in my wOBA)
1.3625 Park Factor (assumed based on 2007 BRAA to Batting Win Value ratio at FanGraphs, which I’m sure isn’t the way to do it) gives him an offensive value of 29.1, still much lower than the 55 he put up in ’04, but a lot better than any of his other seasons. And of course, those numbers still reflect his play with an injured thumb and later; bone spurs, if he was healthy the entire season, who knows. Obviously, his 2008 speaks for itself in terms of shit luck and what ifs.
Bendix & Dutton’s xBABiP (there’s a link at the bottom for xBABiPs going back to 2005) demonstrates how typically unlucky Beltre has been the last few years as well. I realize that I’m preaching (mostly) to the choir here, but I think even Lookout Landing fans tend to underestimate just how Awesome King Awesome is. I see him as easily being capable of a .300/.360/.540 line next when the stars align in his (of course) free agent year. Even more than seeing him (possibly) leaving (I still hold out hope for a contract extension now, while the economy looks doubtful-c’mon Scott), I despair at the thought that 8 months from now, pundits will once again declare that he’s a walk-year performer about to receive an unjust contract that he hasn’t earned.
No, I’m not Red.
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I am curious.
Do players for the Mariners play through the pain because of team culture, or do the trainers encourage them to play through the pain?
I think with Beltre it's an entirely seperate issue
After all, he doesn’t wear a cup either
It's not specific to the Mariners at all.
It’s something that happened in all sports. Shawne Merriman tried to play on two torn knee ligaments this year. Athletes as a general rule want to be athletic and are willing to do stupid, stupid things to achieve this. How Beltre succeeded/s with such horrid injuries I don’t know and he’s one of the rare people who are able to do it.
Part of the reason many athletes play through injuries
is that there is a lot of competition for their jobs. Add in that athletes are typically the macho, super-confident type (no other way but to survive the competition to reach the top) and it’s not difficult to see why many athletes would want to play through injury. It’s easy to say it’s stupid, but the culture of professional athletics is so cut-throat that it sort of mandates it.
but the culture of professional athletics is so cut-throat that it sort of mandates it.
so you’re saying you’d kill a man to keep your job.
by Bearskin Rugburn on Feb 7, 2009 6:04 AM PST reply actions
I enjoy the standard you are setting for fanposts
Well thought out with a nice blend of statistics and Mariner relevance.
Thanks.
Wholeheartedly agreed
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.
by pdb on Feb 7, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
If Beltre finds bone spurs in his ankle during Spring Traning,
I’m going to love when he’s traded for every prospect in the Twins system.
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!! I DRINK IT UP!!
I don't understand this sentence at all:
1.3625 Park Factor (assumed based on 2007 BRAA to Batting Win Value ratio at FanGraphs, which I’m sure isn’t the way to do it) gives him an offensive value of 29.1, still much lower than the 55 he put up in ’04, but a lot better than any of his other seasons
What are you trying to say here?
I believe he's adjusting for park
by taking the ratio of Beltre’s batting run value (which is park adjusted) over his wRAA (which is not). That’s not a great way to do it, but there you go.
by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 7, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, that is what I was doing
And I was pretty sure it was inaccurate, but park factors confuse me so far. I don’t really understand why there aren’t left/right splits for them. A 36% boost seemed a little high, but considering the reputation Safeco has for neutering right handers, it seemed kind of reasonable.
There are lefty/righty park factors, but they're hard to come by.
A 36% boost is way too high. I don’t know how Fangraphs computes it’s park-adjusted batting run values, but Safeco’s run impact over a full season is about -4%.
by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 7, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Like Jeff said, 36% is much too high.
Parks generally fall between 90-115, where 100 is average to hit in, above 100 is easier etc. Also remember that only 50% of the games are played at home. For Beltre to get a 36% boost Safeco Field’s right handed park factor would have to be 28, which would mean that we’d see around 3 runs for each game played there.
I’d guess Beltre would maaaaybe get an offensive boost in the 5-7.5% region.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 7, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Like I said
I figured they were off, but his Home/Road OPS split over the last 3 years is .743/.841, that’s 11.7% lower offensive production at home, when most ballplayers do better in their home park, so it seems as though Safeco has been particularly mean to him.
Regardless, all 3 of those wRAAs I listed would still be significantly better than any of Beltre’s seasons besides 2004. He’s capable of putting up MVP caliber seasons even playing his home games in Safeco.
I agree
I was just trying to give you a little more insight into the wonderful world of park factors.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 7, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
OK, Thanks
Is there any idea what the lefty/righty park factor is for Safeco? Something like 100/92?
Probably more like 98/90
That’s just an educated guess though. It also depends on a player’s style.
by Graham MacAree on Feb 7, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Do any sites use these lefty/righty park factors?
by Edgar for Pres on Feb 7, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Bill James Handbook has them but that doesn't do you much good I suppose
by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 8, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
I think i actually remember seeing them in there now that I think about it
Although if I remember right, I lost faith in them when I saw some weird values. Just surprised they haven’t really caught on yet since so many people put time into making park factors.
by Edgar for Pres on Feb 8, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
This article is at least somewhat helpful
by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 8, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I think that approach is interesting
And I like the approach of looking at park size, temp, and wind conditions because then you aren’t susceptible to the inherent noise that comes with real-life data.
I’d just be worried we are missing a lot of the human part of the game. Players can change their strategy. Different players are affected differently by each park. By applying Safeco park factors to Ibanez, his numbers probably looked much better than they should be. Beltre probably is hurt even more than the numbers indicate while Lopez isn’t since Beltre hits bombs to all parts of the park and Lopez primarily hits home runs down the LF line.
I think the park factors right now are good enough to give you an idea of the run environment in a given park but we are still a little ways away from accurately saying how individual players are affected. We are probably +/-5% away from being right though which is probably good enough so maybe that’s good enough.
by Edgar for Pres on Feb 8, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
I think the h t m l at the end of your address is screwing up your link. (I added spaces to keep it from getting cut)
www.jockbio.com/Bios/Beltre/Beltre_bio
Not really on your baseball topic, and by the way you are really good at this. Did I mention that? I don’t know how much time you spend putting these together, but nice work. Fun reads.
Thanks
I was hoping somebody would come up with something. I’ve done it before, but even following the same directions, I couldn’t get the links to work. I should probably just take a class.
As far as how long it takes me to put these together, this one was 3 hours doing it, but Adrian is basically my favorite player in the game, so it’s been bouncing around my head for a while. The Griffey one probably took a little longer and involved a couple false starts to make sure I wasn’t saying anything really stupid. I don’t tend to sleep Friday nights (my girlfriend works graveyards and I like to be able to sleep in with her on Saturdays), so I have time to fiddle with ideas like this.
Nice work, this is my goal at some point.
I crashed into excell recently, but had to back out. Begin at the beginning. I was basically trying to steal the goodies from a safe, without the combo. So I decided to just hijack the whole safe. By carrying it out the 90th floor window.
Hey, maybe think about making up a throw away email address, I had a question for you at some point. It wound being answered in an indirect fashion in the comment thread, so perhaps it’s not worth it.
I added an e-mail address to my account name
so it’s available there for anyone that has any non-board questions or comments
I'm confident Zduriencik sees Beltre's value and will try and resign him
Although the one thing I don’t follow is your connection between the new “Sabermetrics-inclined” GMs. Are you asserting that Beltre’s production increased simply because of the new GM, or because of the improved quality of the players he hit behind in the batting order (brought in by the GM)?
by .Taylor on Feb 7, 2009 2:16 PM PST reply actions
I think the GM thing was just intended as a joke.
Also, as much as I love Beltre I’m not sure signing him to anything longer than a three year deal is a great idea, and I think he’s going to want either one or two years and hope the FA market picks back up or he’s going to want at least five. I also can’t think of any good reason he would want to stay in Seattle, unless they blow everyone else out of the water in terms of money. I don’t think that seems all that likely.
by Aaron Campeau on Feb 7, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind if he retired a Mariner, honestly.
Z probably gets that Beltre >>>>>>>>>>>> Tui.
by .Taylor on Feb 7, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
He has a fairly significant injury history, and his defense is what makes him so valuable.
Defense fades more quickly than other skills, and if he gets five years you’re going to be paying for five years of his defensive decline phase and at least a year or two of his offensive decline phase.
For sentimental reasons I’m not opposed but unless his worth is way undervalued on the open market I’m not sure it’s all that smart.
by Aaron Campeau on Feb 7, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Scott Rolen is almost exactly 4 years older
And is still putting up positive defensive seasons, last year being his weakest at 6.4 UZR/150, and he’s had a worse injury history. Beltre’s injury history is mostly fluky, the appendectomy and the ensuing screw up, the torn ligament received while diving for a ball. The only problem he’s had that’s likely to reoccur is the bone spurs, from my limited understanding those are genetic and will probably pop up at random.
I'm not saying Beltre is definitely going to become significantly less valuable
just that it’s a possibility, and should be taken into account.
by Aaron Campeau on Feb 7, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
It was a joke. My conclusion is that his 2004 was a confluence of good luck and piquing skill.
If he started there, he didn't end there.
A guy OPSing over 1.000 with a pitcher behind him would get walked about 200 times in a season.
Yeah, my question about that was based off fuzzy memories of press releases when the M's signed him.
Maybe from the one where they played up his grit with the story of him taking fielding practice wearing a colostomy bag following his appendectomy. I didn’t realize you could such detailed info about batting orders and pitch counts from BP for free, until malcontent provided the link.
That was my typo
BP doesn’t do it, it’s Baseball Reference, as someone else noted, but the link is still good
Not even once
He did have 72 appearances in the 7 hole, and 71 in the 6 hole though. Though I asked a question related to this on the Griffey post, and apparently the difference (in leverage) between the 5th spot and the 9th spot is less than 5%.
What website are you getting batting order info from? I haven't paid for a subscription from anything like BP, but I'm getting close.
And when you say leverage, I’m familiar with the idea of high leverage environments, as in pitching. I’m not sure I’m comprehending your use of it here, and how many actual runs that 5% translates into.
Sometimes people throw a percentage number out there that seems rather small and insignificant, but when I pencil it out on the back of an envelope, it turns into a number of runs or bases that seems to be the opposite. I’m not trying to be deliberately obtuse here, I’m asking for an explanation so I can learn something, clarify a point that hangs me up a bit.
Baseball-reference has it I believe
And it’s free.
by Mariner John on Feb 7, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
BP has an subsection called "Player Index"
Adrian Beltre It has a bunch of interesting splits. ESPN’s player page also offers batting order stats in their splits, though they don’t include plate appearances.
I'm sorry
I keep missing the reply button
I can’t believe the word ‘Steroids’ isn’t mentioned once on this thread.
If they released A-Roid’s name, you gotta wonder if they are gonna release some more from that 2003 list. Beltre’s gotta be on that list. Nobody has put a 1 year offensive spike like Beltre did in 2004 since Beltre did that in 2004!
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Feb 7, 2009 11:46 PM PST reply actions
Steroid speculation is not allowed.
Thank you.
by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 8, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions

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