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Ichiro & Stolen Bases

Inspired by Larry Stone's awesome entry and some of the subsequent comments, I thought I'd revisit an old subject - that of Ichiro's stolen bases and clutch situations. We've all heard the popular criticism. Ichiro runs, but he doesn't run when it's important, preferring instead to pad his numbers when the game isn't close. Or something. It's one of those weird things people throw out there as a justification for disliking the guy when they can't find a better and more significant reason since his numbers themselves are terrific.

Guess what? As we've mentioned before, it isn't true.

Baseball-Reference.com provides some handy leverage splits, with each player's numbers getting separated into High Leverage (1.5+ LI), Medium Leverage (0.7-1.5 LI), and Low Leverage (below 0.7 LI) situations. Here are the results of a comparison between Ichiro and the 2001-2008 AL average:

Ichiro AL
%Attempts %Success %Attempts %Success
High Leverage 26.0% 80.0% 26.8% 72.4%
Medium Leverage 54.3% 80.9% 50.5% 69.6%
Low Leverage 19.7% 86.8% 22.7% 71.2%

Ichiro's distribution is very similar, and his success rates blow the league averages out of the water. So not only is he running when it's important - he's running successfully. The difference between an 80% success rate and a 72% success rate in high leverage situations is huge, especially when you run as often as Ichiro does. He's pretty good. It's worth pointing out that the average LI of Ichiro's SB attempts last year was 1.43, and the sum WPA of those attempts was 0.595. While some people may choose to criticize Ichiro for his behavior on the basepaths, the fact of the matter is that his stolen bases provide a great deal of value.

Could Ichiro run more often? Sure he could. He could try to steal every single time he's on base with an empty base in front of him if he wanted to. But there's a game theory component that comes into play here that prevents him from doing so. Speed isn't the only factor in determining whether or not a steal attempt is successful; there's also the element of surprise, and the more Ichiro runs, the more the pitcher and catcher will be looking for him to run. And the more they look for him to run, the less successful he'll be. It's the same reason Ryan Feierabend doesn't try to pick off every single runner at first base. Lose the surprise and you'll lose the success.

I don't see any reason to ask Ichiro to change his basestealing habits, because everything he does has worked exceedingly well, and you don't mess with success. Run whenever the hell you feel like it, little dude. By this point I think we can trust you to know what you're doing.

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Other stuff:

  • It's interesting to see how average SB success rates change with the leverage. Since 1998, the Major League average success rate is 72% in high leverage situations, 68% in medium leverage situations, and 72% in low leverage situations. My suspicion is that, in high leverage situations, runners are more cautious, pitchers are more focused on the hitter, and catchers may be less likely to attempt or hurry a throw, leading to greater success. In low leverage situations, I imagine the same is true of pitchers and catchers. I wonder, then, if 68% might best represent the league's "true" basestealing ability, in that both the runners and defenders are acting normally.

  • A graph:

    Sbattempts_medium
    Stolen bases are down. Overall, there were more than 4000 attempts each season between 1998-2002, but since then, the Majors have yet to reach that mark. The trend is more evident in the AL, where we have a seven-year streak of ~1800 attempts per season. Between 1998-2001, there were an average of 2196 attempts per season. Between 2002-2008, that figure dropped to 1800, a decrease of 28 attempts per team. Along with the drop in attempts we have seen a corresponding increase in success, from 69% in 1998-2001 to 71% in 2002-2008. 

    In 2001, 26 AL players stole 20+ bases, 12 stole 30+ bases, 3 stole 40+ bases, and the leader had 57. In 2002, 15 AL players stole 20+ bases, 6 stole 30+ bases,1 stole 40+ bases, and the leader had 41.

    As far as the NL is concerned, there were an average of 2384 attempts between 1998-2002 and 1979 between 2003-2008, a drop of 25 attempts per team. The success rate, meanwhile, has jumped from 68% to 72%.

    Over the past half-decade or so, basestealers have definitely become more successful, if a little more cautious. I wonder if this is a cyclical thing, where the increased success leads to more attempts, which leads to more failures, which leads to fewer attempts, which leads to a greater rate of success, and so on. It'll also be interesting to see if the blossoming renewed interest in fast defensive players leads to a little more emphasis being placed on the stolen base.

  • Average SB attempts, 1998-2008, AL team: 139
    Average SB attempts, 1998-2008, NL team: 135

    Why are stolen bases considered a part of "NL-style baseball" again?

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For all the original content you guys create, it doesn't really fit the mold for what I've seen from most blogs.

I have no idea how long it takes to do this type of work, or pitch f/x analysis, or creative writing. The fact you guys have the desire plus the ability, and publish on an open blog, amazing. Thanks.

by Kermit. on Feb 26, 2009 3:32 PM PST reply actions  

If I had time and inclination, I would be all over that 'Baseball hacks' book

But I’m not. But YOU, perhaps you could make use of that. Or make Matthew make use of that (though it might be beneath Matthew’s level, I don’t really know).

by marc w on Feb 26, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

There are so many aspects of the game I'd love to dink around with, none of it major stuff.

When you have absolutely no background with software, spreadsheets, basically anything you would need, it’s a bit frustrating. Desire does not equal ability, which makes me want to punch out my computer with impatience. Wait long enough and all questions will be answered blah blah blah, I fail at patience in certain environments.

by Kermit. on Feb 26, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for this.

I will no longer even try to reason with the Ichi-haters on the matter of basestealing. I will simply refer them to this article. He could run more but he’d probably get caught more and at some point the outs you’re giving away for nothing outweigh the modest benefit of the steals you’re getting. It almost seems like he knows what he’s doing.

I remember watching Rickey and Vince stealing 100+ bags in a season when I was a kid. The game has changed a great deal since then. Some folks my age and older have trouble accepting change in baseball.
I don’t think we’ll see 100 steals in season again. Of course back when guys were doing that, it seemed as though we might never see anyone hit 50 HR again.

"We are a bad defensive team." -B. Cashman

by Big Jared on Feb 26, 2009 4:02 PM PST reply actions  

Rickey stole so many bases he basically broke the game.

Sort of like Bonds walking all the time.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Feb 26, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Good stuff, you're really making up for that long weekend.

Is it so unreasonable to think that steal attempts are down because word got out that anything below a 75%(?) success rate is detrimental to the team in the long run?

Also, how happy is everyone to have Stone blogging? I’m pretty happy.

by Bearskin Rugburn on Feb 26, 2009 4:27 PM PST reply actions  

Stolen base attempts should happen more in leverage situations

I did a study on the value of stealing bases in close games in the 9th inning. I was surprised to find out that one needs a significantly lower SB% for the strategy to be rational (i.e. positive expected run value) in that situation. Perhaps “leverage situation” is over generalizing in the subject line, but the biggest leverage situation is usually a close game in the 9th.

You can read the study results at the link below if you like. Criticism welcome.

http://www.kingdomeheadache.com/2008/04/few-events-in-baseball-are-as-dramatic.html

by philosofool on Feb 26, 2009 5:04 PM PST reply actions  

This would probably increase the value of a catcher with a strong arm too right?

I feel like defensive subs for catchers are pretty infrequent though. I’d love to see a guy like Ichiro reach base and then the catcher gets swapped out to prevent a SB. I don’ t think we’ve ever seen something like that happen.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 26, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be shocked to see this

Teams are generally only willing to put their second catcher in play (assuming they’re only carrying two) in order to PH or PR. Increasing the chance that a guy might throw out a baserunner who might not even steal seems like a minor reward at best, especially considering that even if he gets to second base it’s no given that he scores.

I'd rather know a little about a lot than a lot about a little

by Sportszilla on Feb 26, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait a second

Fact: Ichiro stealing bases helps the Mariners win games.

Isn’t telling Ichiro, “It’s okay not to steal more because we wouldn’t want you losing the element of surprise” a LOT like telling Felix, “It’s okay not to throw your offspeed stuff too much because it might tarnish its efficacy.” ???

by johnbai on Feb 26, 2009 6:08 PM PST reply actions  

No

Ichiro is already stealing an appropriate amount of bases to make it worthwhile while still keeping the opposing battery off balance.

Felix is throwing way too many fastballs to start with. You can’t compare the percentages straight across, because pitching =/= baserunning.

by appleshampoo on Feb 26, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

No

With Ichiro, more attempts likely means more failures, which reduces his productivity on the basepaths. With Felix, the evidence suggests that more offspeed pitches would have the opposite effect.

Besides, we like Ichiro at his current baseline. The same does not go for Felix.

by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 26, 2009 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I did not realize that you had concluded that

the efficacy of felix’s offspeed pitches would improve if he threw more of them.

Certainly I knew that they were more effective than his fastball at inducing swinging strikes, but I didnt realize they his breaking ball was more effective per pitch when he threw it more often.

by johnbai on Feb 26, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven't concluded anything

but the evidence we have shows that (A) his offspeed stuff is good, (B) his fastball is not, and © he’s better when he throws more of the former at the expense of the latter.

If Felix’s fastball-happy baseline were as good as Ichiro’s, we wouldn’t want him to change a thing. But it isn’t, so why not find out what more he can do with a little change of plan?

by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 26, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Why not find out what "more he can do with a little change of plan" for everyone?

Ichiro may just be a better player than Felix. That doesn’t mean that mental mistakes or approaches to the game shouldn’t be tweaked in either case.

Turning your 4 win player into a 5 win player is just as valuable as turning your 2 win player into a 3 win player, isn’t it? Is it really smart to leave the 4 win player alone because “he’s not the problem”?

by johnbai on Feb 26, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Not trying to be a butthead here

I just think this is a really fascinating argument. I intuitively see a significant connection between Felix’s offspeed pitches and Ichiro’s stolen bases. They are both powerful weapons. They are both very effective. I’d like to see each player utilize their respective weapon more. If they did so, however, their weapon might lose efficacy… and it also might lead to more injuries for the player.

by johnbai on Feb 26, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree that I think it was a worthwhile subject to bring up.

I disagree with your theory, but it’s a good discussion.

by Matthew on Feb 26, 2009 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Ichiro's a good player with no obvious corrections or adjustments needed to improve

Felix is a good player with issues.

Ichiro may be able to steal more bases without giving runs back to the opponent. That’s possible, and I can’t prove anything either way. But there’s a risk there, whereas I don’t think the same applies to having Felix cut back on his fastball a little bit.

by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 26, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

It's also worth pointing out that stolen bases don't accumulate run value very fast

So there’s not really that much for Ichiro to gain here to begin with. The best basetealer in baseball last year was only worth 2.7 more runs in that regard than Ichiro.

by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 26, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

It seems more useful to measure Ichiro

against his theoretical maximum potential… not another player in the league. I maintain that Ichiro could be worth another win per season in stolen bases if he were healthy and so inclined. But I think Matthew is correct (above) when he says that Ichiro seems to know the limits of what he can do better than coaches. I think that’s probably the case… but I have a small lingering doubt.

The doubt: That Ichiro really doesn’t like making mistakes and has chosen a style of baseball that minimizes the number of time per year that he feels like he “blew it”. I fear that he tries to avoid strikeouts, caught stealings and muffing potentially difficult catches as much as possible… rather than taking a few extra chances. This makes asking him to hit for power, dive in the outfield, or steal more bases a psychologically scary suggestion.

by johnbai on Feb 26, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

A full win seems like a pretty huge stretch.

Wouldn’t that make him something like the best base stealer in the history of baseball?

by Aaron Campeau on Feb 26, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a small point

but the run value of a stolen base is something like 0.2 runs. So in order to be worth another win per season in stolen bases, Ichiro would have to add ~50 successes and zero failures.

by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 27, 2009 1:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Last season at 43-4 though, he was worth like .75 wins though, right?

or does a CS have a hugely negative run value since it both causes and out and erases a baserunner?

by seattlebruin on Feb 27, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

A CS is pretty negative

Tango link

It’s somewhere around -0.45, given our run environment.

by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 27, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I exaggerated. My comment should read .5 wins.

by johnbai on Feb 27, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

So far for his career, Ichiro is 315/385 in steals

Let’s call Safeco a 4.5 run environment for simplicity, which values a SB at +.19 runs and a CS at -.45 runs. That means that, overall, Ichiro has been +28.4 runs via steals, or +0.074 runs per attempt.

Since we have eight years of data, let’s take this as his true talent. So, based on that rate, to gain another 0.5 wins (5 runs), Ichiro would need to attempt another 68 steals per season.

Of course, that assumes that Ichiro maintains the same 81.8% rate of success. If he were to drop to, say, 75% – since additional attempts would likely come in less favorable situations – then to gain another 5 runs, Ichiro would need to attempt another 167 steals per season.

by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 27, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

It is if he gave a damn about someone other than himself.

You give numbers like this to Raul Ibanez, and he goes ‘Sure skip, whatever helps the team.’ But if your boy Ichiro’s involved, then break out the slide rule and get him off on the oldest technicality there is: “that doesn’t seem feasible.”

And those extra steals BETTER NOT come in garbage time. Every one of those 167 should be in tie games. Those are the conditions. If he doesn’t attempt 167 more steals next year, all in tie games, I am proven right and should be credited as such.

by marc w on Feb 27, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

PS I also like Ichiro at his baseline

but I might LOVE him if he stole 80 bases instead of 45… even if it meant going from a success rate of 83% to 81%.

Whenever an attitude or mindset about the game stops a player from reaching maximum contribution to the team, I think coaches ought to try their best to rectify the situation. It could be that Ichiro is fragile enough that tweaking his approach will ruin him or piss him off. In which case, they ought to leave him be and be happy with what he does bring to the table.

by johnbai on Feb 26, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I think this might be the case.

Going back to what Jeff said, we have pretty compelling evidence that Felix is not pitching in a manner that maximizes his efficacy and that he’s also seemingly unaware of that. Ichiro we have no evidence one way or another whether he could be more valuable trying to steal more often, but I think we do have a pretty good amount of anecdotal evidence that suggests that Ichiro is very attuned to his limits as a player. See: his comments about diving for baseballs.

In shorter words, I think we give Ichiro the benefit of the doubt because he has demonstrated intelligence to how he plays baseball. Felix…

by Matthew on Feb 26, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

One of these days I am going to find either an athlete or a woman

that loves great beer and I am going to marry him/her.

I am tired of being dissappointed by people’s taste in beverages.

I bet Alfie drinks kickass Swedish beer… (Heatley’s favorite beer? Dead Guy Ale. hi-ohhhh)

by Matthew on Feb 27, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

In addition to the element of surprise argument, I think there could be a little selection bias going on in Ichiro's stolen base attempts as well.

Presumably, Ichiro is stealing when he deems it most likely that he will be successful — based on game situation, pitcher’s pickoff move, catchers arm, prevailing wind, and what-have-you. Generally speaking, the more he steals, the more often he is choosing to steal under a less favorable circumstance, which will decrease his chances of success. Each time he is in a potential stealing situation, he must essentially choose between attempting a steal — which will either increase or decrease the chances of scoring depending on whether or not he is caught — or choosing to stay put, which essentially has no effect on the run expectancy. Optimally, he should only steal when the decision will increase the run expectancy, which generally occurs when this success rate is above a certain threshold.

Felix and offspeed pitches seems like a little bit of a different case to me, because unlike Ichiro in a stolen base scenario, his analogous choice is not between throwing an offspeed pitch and throwing no pitch at all. His choice is between throwing an offspeed pitch with a certain set of expected outcomes, or a fastball, with a different set of expected outcomes. And we happen to know that the outcomes of his offspeed pitches are generally better than those of his fastball. Therefore, it seems like he might be more successful if he threw more offspeed pitches. Of course, throwing more offspeed stuff would eventually decrease the element of surprise and probably lead to reduced efficacy on a per pitch basis of his offspeed stuff, but it seems like he hasnt found that proper balance yet and is still relying too heavily on the fastball.

by FlaskInSafeco on Feb 26, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

And to clarify:

my biggest beef with Felix isn’t how often he throws his fastball (that’s beef number 2), it’s how frequently he throws his fastball in pitches 1-20 of a game. It’s his insistence in establishing the fastball that drives me crazy, not him throwing fastballs 62% of the time instead of 57% (that merely drives me off-balance)

by Matthew on Feb 26, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

That's the big sentence right there

If we assume that Ichiro knows what he’s doing on the basepaths better than anyone else, then:

Generally speaking, the more he steals, the more often he is choosing to steal under a less favorable circumstance, which will decrease his chances of success.

Bingo.

by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 27, 2009 1:57 AM PST up reply actions  

The people that complain don't realize that though...

I think part of the problem with the people that believe he’s too timid though, is that they don’t think he would fail more by stealing in unfavorable circumstances. They believe that if he tried to steal 30 more times, he would succeed 30 more times; or worst case his percentage would be the same. They don’t factor in that he would be attempting in riskier situations and would be losing some element of surprise.

by Kunkoh on Feb 27, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

This was not my argument

In my sample above I conceded that there would be a drop in his … I just felt that the drop might be fairly insignificant (I think I made up some numbers like 81 to 79%)

So would I rather have an Ichiro that steals 79 bases out of 100 times in a season… or an Ichiro that steals 41 out of 50 bases per season?

by johnbai on Feb 27, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Great stuff.

And great comments. My god, people, it’s baseball season again! Almost.

by Teej on Feb 26, 2009 9:28 PM PST reply actions  

This whole April 6th season start-date is gunna be the end of me

I could barely wait till April before, now I’ve gotta wait until the NCAA’s are totally wrapped up, and then some?

This sucks.

by cwel87 on Feb 26, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I just don't get why people don't like Ichiro as a baseball player.

Fielding Range – Above Average as CF or Awesome as RF.

Arm – Top 5 as CF or RF (according to THT’s metrics).

Baserunning – Best in baseball last year – consistently in top 5 over his career.

Hitting – Above Average every year with .6 wins above average as his worst season.

Injuries – None – he’s played in 98.8% of Mariners games since he’s been in the league.

Consistency – Using Fangraphs value leaders page sorted by 3 year value win totals, he has been in the top 20 every year going back to 2004 (which takes 02 through 04). I didn’t go back further because fielding data starts in 2002. He’s been one of the top 20 non-pitchers in the game over every three year period since 2002. He doesn’t have giant peak seasons like Beltre and he doesn’t have bad seasons. Ichiro’s worst season was still one win better than an average player.

The only other guys who have been in the top 20 over each three year period going back to 2002 are Alex Rodriuguez, Albert Pujols, and Chipper Jones. Beltran fell off because of his poor 2005 season and Manny did the same because of 2007. Lance Berkman just fell off in 2005-2007 at #21.

by Jed MC on Feb 27, 2009 9:38 AM PST reply actions  

The funny thing is though

that last year McClaren said that Ichiro could steal 80 bases running backwards if he wanted to or something. When reporters asked Ichiro about it, he said yeah I could steal 80 bases but I’d be thrown out 80 times as well. Which is making the same point as you guys – stealing more means stealing in less optimal situations, getting thrown out more and not helping the team. But then he went out and stole bases for the first couple of months of the season on track for 80 without getting thrown out at all. When the season was clearly lost and it didn’t matter or he had a hamstring injury or something he nearly stopped stealing bases altogether.

by kyokom on Feb 27, 2009 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

I observed this same thing

and wondered if he would have stolen 80 last year (while keeping a 80% success rate) if it hadn’t been for some kind of hamstring injury.

by johnbai on Feb 27, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope he comes out healthy and aggressive this year

and is able to sustain such a pace.

On top of the value of the stolen bag itself, I think there are additional benefits to being such a threat. It puts pressure on the pitcher, causes a distraction for the pitcher, forces the pitcher to change his wind up and delivery, causes the pitcher to add to his workload when he makes pick off attempts, and (maybe this is already factored in to the overall value of a stolen base) stolen base attempts seem to cause a lot of errors… the throw to second goes into centerfield and the runner winds up at 3rd.

Moreover, Ichiro is a lot more fun to watch when he’s stealing bases right and left.

by johnbai on Feb 27, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

For the record

this is a somewhat minor point, and I can’t find a link right now, but stolen bases and SB threats have historically actually made the hitter at the plate less successful. So they’re not all upside.

by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 27, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

From an observational standpoint only, this makes sense.

I’ve seen plenty of hitters put themselves into bad counts because of steal attempts.

by Aaron Campeau on Feb 27, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I bet it doesn't hurt as bad for really fast players

Ichiro doesn’t need the hitter to “protect” him and there isn’t a big worry about missing a pitch on the hit and run.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 27, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I've given up lobbying for more SB's from Ichiro (one of my favorite players BTW)

I’ve decided to agree with Jeff… that Ichiro is absolutely awesome at something that doesn’t really help the team much so it’s just as well he doesn’t do it more.

by johnbai on Feb 28, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah i pretty much agree with everything you said

One thing that we don’t really talk about as much because this blog tends to be pretty stat oriented is that its fun to watch Ichiro steal bases. I watch baseball to see the Mariners win but I also watch to see amazing players to amazing things.

by Edgar for Pres on Feb 28, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

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