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  • Via Chuck Armstrong, Jack Zduriencik, and the Seattle Times staff, the current plan is for Junior to spend the bulk of his time at DH and the remainder in left. This ought to come as no surprise, but it's still nice to hear, since Griffey as DH has a little value and Griffey as LF makes one long for the sweet embrace of eye cancer. Of course, ideally we'd like to see the team burn all his gloves and chain him to the bench every time the M's are in the field, but it's not realistic to expect them to completely shut him out from playing defense, so here's hoping Wakamatsu's able to give him just enough time to stay happy, and nothing more. The more we get Endy in the outfield and Griffey at DH, the better.

  • Zduriencik claims there was no "Plan B" behind Junior, and the Braves seem content to fill up their roster internally. Somebody might want to tell Garret Anderson that he has inadvertently retired an Angel.

  • SBN might want to fix this.

  • It seems Braves fans are absolutely furious with David O'Brien for leaking the Griffey-to-Atlanta stuff before anything was official. They're furious because there are rumblings that this leak contributed to Griffey's ultimate decision. That sounds kind of silly at first, but I guess when you're torn between family and fans, it doesn't take much to tip the balance. I don't know. Maybe it's all a load of hoohah. All I can say is that Braves fans are taking the completely wrong approach, because if O'Brien's leak really did play a part in all this, then he just saved Atlanta from a whole lot of defensive humiliation. It isn't often you can say "I think a beat writer just made our team better." This is one of those times. David O'Brien deserves to wake up to like three thousand muffin baskets in the morning.

  • There's also a bit of blame floating around that's getting thrown Griffey's way for taking so long to make this decision. He doesn't deserve it. Look - for one thing, the whole saga got its lifeblood from the media, which couldn't stop shoving out fresh articles despite nothing new coming from the Griffey camp. And for another, when you have to choose between playing close to home and playing where you began your career, you should be granted several days to make up your mind, because it's not an easy choice. Give Griffey a break. I know the whole process was annoying and reminiscent of last winter's Bedard/Jones disastiations, but in the end, all it cost us was a day or two of Griffey working out with the team. And that's probably for the best. Don't want him getting injured.

  • Should the Mariners play respectable baseball and stay somewhere near the race for much of the summer, I predict that, out of our many weaknesses, Griffey/Fuentes will be among the most consistently unpleasant.

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All offseason, I was hoping we didn't sign Griffey

Now that it’s happened, I’m suddenly really happy, I guess I had forgotten how much Griffey meant to me, and it wasn’t registering in my mind who he was.

He’s the reason I made the awful life decision of following Seattle, even though I’m from Syracuse, NY

Welcome Home, Junior

by mariners124m on Feb 18, 2009 8:28 PM PST reply actions  

I know what that's like.

I’m a contrarian from Connecticut who couldn’t stand the Yanks or Sox. Griffey was my formative baseball years and I loved him. I’m not one for nostalgia and seeing Griffey as an old man come back as a shell of what I remember isn’t my ideal choice, but I find myself considerably more excited for this than I had expected.

by DCMariner on Feb 18, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I suspect my level of satisfaction with this deal will come down to

what exactly “the bulk of his time at DH and the remainder in left” means. Not only does Griffey in LF spell trouble for our defense, but it also potentially means, if Kenji and Shelton have poor seasons, that we’ll have a suboptimal DH for those games as well.

by katal on Feb 18, 2009 8:32 PM PST reply actions  

I get the impression based on the offseason to this point that if there's one thing the M's understand

It’s the value of outfield defense. I’m pretty confident everything will be OK.

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

This from the Braves SBN Blog:
The Mariners have no need for an aging slugger in their present state — they’re half a dozen moves from being competitive. Griffey has relegated himself to pure sideshow status on a completely irrelevant team thousands of miles from home — absolutely stupid!

Coming from a team that won 10 more games and finished 4th in their division, like The M’s…

by GoCougs on Feb 18, 2009 8:39 PM PST reply actions  

I dare you to post

“bitch, we got Willie Mays on our side.”

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 18, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Triple goddamn dog dare.

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 18, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Their misery and tears only fuel my satisfaction further!

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 19, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

The more I think about it...

The smarter this move is from a business standpoint. A family of four spends an average of $191.60 at a Mariners game. Thus, each person spends, on average, $47.90. If 200,000 new fans come at $47.90 a pop that’s revenues of $9,580,000. Obviously that isn’t all profit but its not even counting the Griffey jerseys the entire family bought before they got to the game. If they actually get an increase of 200k fans, the budget department will be doing back flips.

by TheTank123 on Feb 18, 2009 8:40 PM PST reply actions  

Or you could just no be an idiot

and eat before going to the game and then not sit in box seats and knock 70 bucks of that total.

by JI on Feb 18, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I've never had any trouble finding free parking at Safeco at any time of day or day of week

The worst situation I ever had was coming for Ichiro bobblehead night this year about 1 hour before gametime and I had to park a few blocks south of Starbucks, but that’s the worst I’ve ever seen

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

That's true

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I like to get there and hang out talking to Morrow when I can.

Silas became famous to the Ms dugout through Morrow.

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 18, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

This is one of the only reasons I want kids

The thought of the joy of taking my kid to a Major League Baseball game and introducing him to a Major League Baseball player puts a huge grin on my face

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I've reported this before, but...

Brandon and I were talking. It was early in the season, and no signs of stretching him out. I said, “Don’t worry, dude – they’re going to send you down soon to stretch you out. Don’t get mad when they send you down, it’s a good thing.” He replied, “Yeah, we’ll see if THAT happens.” He wasn’t happy with the FO. At that point, Silas holds a ball out for him to sign (at age two), and Brandon rubs his head, saying “Hey little guy? How are you?”

Silas replied, “I gotta poop soooooo bad.”

From that day to the end of the season (last game, even), if Brandon saw us, he would go into the dugout, bring out whomever he could collect, and point up at Silas. They would all wave and laugh.

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 18, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions   4 recs

Huh...

Joey just couldn’t stop asking Morrow if he struck people out with his fastball – “Did you strike ICHIRO out with your fastball!”

This signature space for rent.

by PositivePaul on Feb 18, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I have to say ...

opening day I’ve usually gone with the extra money, and just been willing to bite the bullet.

by msb on Feb 18, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm ok.

I’m not sure what that has to do with anything. You are not the average person. Congrats on that.

by TheTank123 on Feb 18, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not an insult towards you

rather than that those studies assume many things that just don’t make much sense

by JI on Feb 18, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

That's fine

but do we have anything better to use? You can’t ignore something simply because its imperfect. It at least gets you in the right area. Whether or not you eat doesn’t change the dollars that come in and the people who walk through the door. It’s not like they pull these numbers out of thin air. Removing parking entirely from the equation still brings in $8.7 million. And, again, that’s not even counting merchandise sold elsewhere.

by TheTank123 on Feb 18, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Uhh, right

That was the original point of the post. The “average” MLB fan spends around 50 dollars for a game. Thanks for explaining that though.

by TheTank123 on Feb 18, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

If that was to me

then no, I’m not quoting anyone. I haven’t heard Dave Henderson speak since I left Seattle three years ago. I’m simply marveling at the M’s ability to make money.

  I could care less if Griffey came back. He left the team on worse terms than A-Rod did, in my opinion.

by TheTank123 on Feb 18, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

OK

Do you have any evidence to support it? Blanket statements should have some basis in facts.

by TheTank123 on Feb 18, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's see

You can get four decent tickets in LF that comes out at about $72, I’ll throw in $10 for parking, and $32 for snacks. That comes out to $114., you could even ramp them up to View tickets and pay ~$100 for the tickets and it’s $142.

by JI on Feb 18, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

$32 for snacks is too low

and the official parking garage is $20

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

we bring our own food ...

althpugh some times we splurge on coffee on a real cold day … and I have been known to occasionally go for a beer. A beer.

by msb on Feb 18, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I would say from experience that's not the case

When I’ve gone with my parents and sister by the time you get 4 View Reserved seats, 2 hot dogs, 2 bowls of clam chowder, a bag of popcorn, a pretzel, 4 regular drinks, and park (my parents are scared of free parking), plus 4/3 of a souvenir every game (figure they came up for 1 series at a time and would buy roughly 1 souvenir per person each series), you’re scraping right up against that- and I’d guess that for at least people who drove a long way to see the game that’s an easily surpassable expense

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

If anything

I think the number undershoots what people spend. I have no problem with most of the numbers but I think alcohol and food sales are severely underestimated while memorabilia is probably overstated. Who actually buys two hats every time they go to a game?

by TheTank123 on Feb 18, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I totally agree

We don’t ever even buy alcohol at the game- throw that expense in and it jumps way up

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Drink Budweiser. You'll be the hit of the party.

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 18, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

You guys think I'm skinny because I don't eat.

I’m hollow for booze.

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 18, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

$191 was a rough estimate.

But it’s pretty sizable, and I’ve taken to ~30 sporting events. So I wouldnt be surprised if it had saved me that much over the entire time I’ve owned it.

by FlaskInSafeco on Feb 18, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

for me the real kicker is the alcohol. Who orders a small beer, and, if you’re drinking at the game only, are you really only going to have one?

by TheTank123 on Feb 18, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

You can always offer your friend the

“I’ll buy your ticket, you buy my beers” deal, but most of my friends wont go for that one.

by FlaskInSafeco on Feb 18, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Your friends are dicks.

unless you drink like I do.

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 18, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Not a chance.

That 20 you owe them turns into 35 worth of beer.

by TheTank123 on Feb 18, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I must be really cheap.

The Fan Cost Index is based on “four tickets, two beers, four soft drinks, four hot dogs, parking for one car, two programs and two adult-sized hats.”

I can’t say I have ever had a trip to the ballpark that encompassed all of that.

by msb on Feb 18, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know what two hats comes from

That’s a weird thing to put in

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

You guys are relatively local though

So it would be expected that you should be on the lower end of the scale. The big money comes from tourists coming from far distances who manage to rack up a lot more than that $191 that blow the thing up to an insane amount

When I go to games without my parents I never spend more than the cost of tickets

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

You're the exception to the rule then

I’m referencing, for instance, the huge numbers of Japanese fans that come in and spend $$$$$$

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn't the average trend more towards locals anyway?

Or is it just the product of 40% of the stadium spending around 20 bucks or less and everyone else spending well over 50 bucks to create an average?

by Ezzra on Feb 18, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Remember, ticket prices make up the largest portion of the numbers.

PSL’s, box seats and suites are owned by locals. As far as food goes, if someone is eating at the game they are going to spend around the same amount, regardless of whether they are local or not. Locals would spend even more money on alcohol if they were to drink at the game. I know that if I have a few before I am going to want more.

by TheTank123 on Feb 18, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I've never bought food or drink at the stadium

I spend ~$10 a game because more than half the time my tickets are free, too.

by Graham MacAree on Feb 18, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, the last game I went to

I spent ~$17 for my ticket and bought nothing inside the gates as I ate just prior to arriving at the park. Occasionally I’ll buy a beer or something (or if it’s 95 deg. out and I’m baking in to fucking sun a giant Mt. Dew), but I only eat a meal at the park as a last resort.

by JI on Feb 18, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I must be cheap too.

I usually bring my own food to the ball park and park for free. Generally my costs are the ticket and beer, nothing more.

by royalcurve on Feb 18, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Tourism

It’s part of the stadium experience- it’s what my parents save their vacation money for. It’s not how I’d spend it, but it’s how they spend it and it’s how an insanely large number of people do

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't get it.

No one needs to spend a bunch of money on useless souvenirs because their on vacation.

by JI on Feb 18, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I totally agree

But that doesn’t make the fact that it happens any less true

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes useless souvenirs are awesome.

I got to Safeco approximately once a decade, so I go nuts when I’m there. But yeah, if I lived in the city and always had access to Mariners trinkets and Ivar’s, I’d probably spend a lot less at the ballpark.

by Teej on Feb 18, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

With the exception of JI, every single person here is local and can go to games anytime.

There’s no incentive or reason to spend large amounts of money when you can go anytime, but when you’re on a family vacation there’s reason to make it “special” and splurge a bit

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I won't deny that

But you don’t need to spend that money in order to attend the game.

by JI on Feb 18, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

And who buys programs?

by Teej on Feb 18, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Tourists and people who want to keep score

$1 is like the cheapest expenditure at the ballpark

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

$1?

I’ve never seen a program that cost less than $4. Either way, you’re right, it’s not much money. Maybe I’m just a fiend for beer and hot dogs, but I’ve always seen the program as the lamest cash-grab in the stadium.

by Teej on Feb 18, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Scorecards are $1

I think programs in the stadium are $5, outside (“The Grand Salami”) is $4 and has decent writing, information, and is not a complete cheerleader.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Feb 18, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey don't get me wrong,

I don’t buy any of that crap. People absolutely do though. I worked as a Seating Host for the M’s for about 3 years and had to walk through the Team Store every once in a while…the place is packed all game and people buy the most ridiculous stuff.

by TheTank123 on Feb 18, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

They don't need to but they do

You can’t look at how packed the team store and concession lines are and tell me that people don’t do that

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

You're missing the point

The point isn’t that they’ll spend the money, it’s that often when these are quoted (which I’m not saying is being done here) people don’t realize all the useless bullshit that’s being bought by this hypothetical family, and it doesn’t reflect the actual cost of taking you wife and kids to the game.

by JI on Feb 18, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

You're missing the point then

The reality is, whether it is cheaper to or not, that $191.60 is generated every time a family of four comes through the turnstiles. Whether that’s money that needs to be spent or not, it’s still money the same that’s coming in, and that’s how you justify Griffey

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

But it may well reflect the average money spent per person in the stadium

‘Average’ isn’t even the same as ‘median’ here. The average can be driven up by the tourists spending a fucktonne or people in really pricy seats buying memorabelia far more easily than it can be dragged down by people not blowing their money

by Graham MacAree on Feb 18, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Precisely

It’s like the “average” income of an American citizen. It is skewed greatly towards higher levels because of how much wealth is held by such a small amount of people.

by TheTank123 on Feb 18, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Woah, sorry

for explaining a scenario that mimics this one exactly…yet you still disagree with.

by TheTank123 on Feb 18, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

My point is this

1) It may very well average out to that because people aren’t savvy spenders or just don’t care. The thing I’m wondering is on average do people usually buy this much bullshit when they go to a game? How did they come up with this as the “average” night. Who the balls eats hot dogs a an MLB park anyway?

2) (And this was implied) These studies are often cited as evidence for people claiming that they can’t take their kids to fucking game because it costs too fucking much. In reality it doesn’t cost $190 to four people to a baseball game, and you don’t even have to eb a cheapskate for that to be true.

3) I’m being critical of someone who would spend like that whenever they attend a game (unless money is no object, but if you have 2 or 3 dependents good luck)

by JI on Feb 18, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll bet you'll find that on average most people don't buy all that crap.

I think it must be those “savvy spenders” that screw up the numbers.

No way a family of four

by Ezzra on Feb 18, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

You can't discount

the one family who buys a jersey. That makes up for 2 other families who didn’t buy a hat. Even if you’re 100 percent correct on the amount of “stuff” actually sold, that amount of “stuff” will skyrocket way past norms with the revenue generated by Griffey related items alone. I really don’t disagree with you that the methods used aren’t perfect. However, it is impossible to argue that Griffey sales will not bring it up to at least “average”. Plus, they only have to pay him if attendance increases by 200,000. As far as we know there are zero rewards for Griffey based on the total revenue his signing generates. So, again, point is that it is an incredibly savvy business move by the M’’s.

by TheTank123 on Feb 18, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

That's an excellent point

And did a good job of refuting my last point, even though I apparentely deleted the rest of it and was left with broken sentence “No way a family of four”.

by Ezzra on Feb 19, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll put it this way;

growing up poor, I got to go to one game a year. for the most part. We sat in the upper deck at the Kingdome, ate before we came, and I got a soda if I was lucky. I went to a game with my aunt and uncle, who were quite affluent, and we sat in great seats, gorged ourselves on hot dogs, nachos, ice cream, etc, and they bought me all sorts of shit at the team store.

When I go to games these days, nine times out of ten my expenditures amount to a beer and a cup of chowder, but I’ll occasionally but some stuff at the team store, splurge on an extra beer, whatever. But it’s the affluent people that bring a bunch of people and spend like crazy that skew these results. That’s why quoting the average cost of attending a game in this case is silly. It doesn’t really reflect reality for most people.

by Aaron Campeau on Feb 19, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

The point was just to estimate how much revenue Griffey brings in

Unless he’s not going to bring in the affluent people, using the average revenue seems like the appropriate thing to do.

It doesn’t really matter whether it reflects reality for most people, just whether or not it is the same average for people coming just to see Griffey and people who would come otherwise.

by ubelmann on Feb 19, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

But people do anyway

I’d imagine they’d be cutting back a little these days, but yeah, the public’s decision making is not entirely driven by parsimony.

by Graham MacAree on Feb 18, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Least valuable?

I’d argue each person who buys food spends, on average, way more than the equivalent of a four dollar hot dog.

by TheTank123 on Feb 18, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

If you buy a $4 hot dog you're almost guaranteed to buy a $4 drink

So it’s a minimum $8 right off the bat

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Done that!

(except I gave it to my sister)

by JI on Feb 18, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I won an autographed Sexson ball and a hand warmer.

I gave the ball to a seven year old I know and he was disappointed.

by royalcurve on Feb 18, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I am so jealous.

Not for the ball or the handwarmer, but that you won something. I never win anything. I’ve never even had my row win something.

by msb on Feb 18, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Is there a link or some math for that?

Cause I won a giveaway once and certainely didn’t give any back. Is it just based on the idea that people will spend more after they see somebody else has it?

by Ezzra on Feb 18, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that means that when they have a giveaway night

They bring in $3000 more in revenue from people buying tickets. That totally worked on Bat Night in the early ’90s.

by Two Rs and Two Ls on Feb 18, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll admit it.

I got misty watching that highlight reel on MLB.com. I love the guy, always have and always will.

Fans are typically idiots.

by The Typical Idiot Fan on Feb 18, 2009 8:40 PM PST reply actions  

I just watched it.

Dammit.

I’m such a sentimental schmuck.

Patriotism, Pepper, Professionalism

by esoteric on Feb 18, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Just so you know

That video was ripped from the original tribute video, here. (click on M’s honor Griffey)

which was significantly better because it was actually synced up to the music. This was the same video but MLB did not want to pay licensing costs for the song, I’m guessing.

...and now I'm here

by CapSea on Feb 19, 2009 4:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Double plus good

This will keep Zduriencik in the good graces of Seattle media for at least a couple of years. That’s really good, because at this point, he deserves support, even if it’s for the wrong reasons. Z probably wrapped up just a little bit of Job security, and that’s awesome.

by philosofool on Feb 18, 2009 9:06 PM PST reply actions  

Double plus?

Are you going to go strangle a prole now?

by Aaron Campeau on Feb 19, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I must say Marketing should be excited as well.

Imagine how easy it will be to market the team now that they get to put Griffey all over their schedules and crap.

by Fin on Feb 18, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeff Nelson, just now:

“have low expectations, then whatever he does, he’ll exceed them”

by msb on Feb 18, 2009 9:16 PM PST reply actions  

Jeff Nelson the baseball player is overrated

Jeff Nelson the person is underrated

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by Corco on Feb 18, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously Jeff - Have you met him in person, or is this conjecture?

I didn’t get that feeling at all during my day with him, and I’m not even a Make A Wish kid.

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 18, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I've met him. He didn't act too friendly toward my family.

Kinda shrugged and rolled his eyes when we asked for a picture. We were at a fan event, so it seemed a little bit asshole-like. It might’ve just been because it was right after Brett Tomko, who was probably one of the nicer Mariners I’ve ever met.

by Ezzra on Feb 18, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

That's true as well

Wilson always had that huge smile on his face around fans.

by Ezzra on Feb 18, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I spent a 2 hr day in a golf cart with that guy. He's nothing but AWESOME.

61/755: KGJ's homer totals, or Rosie O'Donnell's age/weight in 2019?

by kevin_ess on Feb 18, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

This screen being correct again makes me happy.

Just ignore the ©1994 please.

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Juuuust a bit outside!!
http://www.rightfieldbleachers.com

by Jack Moore on Feb 18, 2009 10:07 PM PST reply actions  

A friend of mine once photoshopped a picture of this mug shot next to a fish.

I think that might be a bit over the top for this website/I don’t have it on this hard drive

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Juuuust a bit outside!!
http://www.rightfieldbleachers.com

by Jack Moore on Feb 18, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we all appreciate Keith Law's work over at ESPN.

But he is taking some heat for this article.

Yeah he has a good point from an analysis perspective (nothing new to us), but like we have talked about here and USSM, Griffey brings an irrational excitement to this city. Keith can’t accept the irrational as another point of view after reading his responses in the comments section.

by Wilder. on Feb 19, 2009 8:36 AM PST reply actions  

Interesting.

The story doesn’t exist anymore, it appears.

by Teej on Feb 19, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

What the...

I was planning on responding to it later today.

by Jeff Sullivan on Feb 19, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not like it was a bad article or anything

Maybe it didn’t toe the ESPN line or something. Maybe the powers that be can get an explanation for us.

by JI on Feb 19, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Not even just the story...

…they took down his whole blog, it would seem. I can understand why someone might disagree with it, but it sure didn’t seem worth censoring unless something crazy went down in the comments.

by ubelmann on Feb 19, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

What?

I can see the story.

by BrianL on Feb 19, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

If you click here:

link

You can still see it. I think the perma-URL for the entry got messed up is all.

by Matthew on Feb 19, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh...

…when I tried your link before, it sent me to a page that listed the espn blogs, and the link to Law’s blog was non-functional. Probably just a tech error and not anything interesting.

by ubelmann on Feb 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Fuck, I wish I had a 90's Griffey jersey.

Before I scour Craigslist and eBay, I assume the going rate is a couple hundred.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 19, 2009 7:15 PM PST reply actions  

Doubtful

If anything, since it’s now legal for the Mariners to churn out GRIFFEY 24 t-shirts and jerseys, the market will become over saturated and prices will drop.

by JI on Feb 19, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

No, but I mean a retro one like the one in the post.

So I can relive my nostalgia trip forever. My dad took me to the Kingdome many times when I was young and we have loads of memorabilia but he never had the presence of mind to actually grab a Griffey jersey. Sure, the new ones will be plentiful and likely cheap soon.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Feb 19, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

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